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"beat wife"?! Really? Dude needs to change his name now. ________________________________ From: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM To: IDM Subject: beatwife podcast http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ [http://www.orbmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/BW02.png]<http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/> Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag<http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/> www.orbmag.com Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los Angeles-based producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his alias Beatwife. His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, combined with his knowledge of audio technology, including his signature software and modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s distinctive sound. Beatwife released his … Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings

I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more appropriate. Unfortunately, the mix and the production seem good, but I dont want to spend much time listening to this guy’s music, because of that name. The list seems terribly silent on that matter. What do you guys and girls think about this « artist name »? I just want to hear from you : do you find the alias legitimate, and if not, why? Best, BB

quoted 21 lines Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> a écrit :

> Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> a écrit : > > "beat wife"?! > Really? > Dude needs to change his name now. > > From: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com <mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM > To: IDM > Subject: beatwife podcast > > http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ <http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/> > <http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/> > Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag <http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/> > www.orbmag.com <http://www.orbmag.com/> > Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los Angeles-based producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his alias Beatwife. His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, combined with his knowledge of audio technology, including his signature software and modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s distinctive sound. Beatwife released his … > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings

i guess i assumed that it was ironic in the sense that maybe he is the wife and he makes beats i dunno Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Baptiste Bacot <baptiste.bacot@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 42 lines I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more appropriate.

> I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more appropriate. > Unfortunately, the mix and the production seem good, but I dont want to > spend much time listening to this guy’s music, because of that name. > The list seems terribly silent on that matter. What do you guys and girls > think about this « artist name »? I just want to hear from you : do you > find the alias legitimate, and if not, why? > > Best, > > BB > > Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> a écrit : > > "beat wife"?! > Really? > Dude needs to change his name now. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM > *To:* IDM > *Subject:* beatwife podcast > > http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ > <http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/> > Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag > <http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/> > www.orbmag.com > Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los Angeles-based > producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his alias Beatwife. > His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, combined with his > knowledge of audio technology, including his signature software and > modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s distinctive > sound. Beatwife released his … > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > >

As for me, i assumed it was some tribute to the *« Beat that bitch with a bat »* track, or some other reference everybody here would get except me ! If not , his Max4Live patches names suggest that he has audio under his skin, i mean his « wife » gets literally sequenced, broken, convolved, twiddled, rushed, effected, doctored and... eventually « tranz ». On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 56 lines i guess i assumed that it was ironic in the sense that maybe he is the

> i guess i assumed that it was ironic in the sense that maybe he is the > wife and he makes beats > i dunno > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Baptiste Bacot <baptiste.bacot@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more appropriate. >> Unfortunately, the mix and the production seem good, but I dont want to >> spend much time listening to this guy’s music, because of that name. >> The list seems terribly silent on that matter. What do you guys and girls >> think about this « artist name »? I just want to hear from you : do you >> find the alias legitimate, and if not, why? >> >> Best, >> >> BB >> >> Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> a écrit : >> >> "beat wife"?! >> Really? >> Dude needs to change his name now. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM >> *To:* IDM >> *Subject:* beatwife podcast >> >> http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ >> <http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/> >> Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag >> <http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/> >> www.orbmag.com >> Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los Angeles-based >> producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his alias Beatwife. >> His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, combined with his >> knowledge of audio technology, including his signature software and >> modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s distinctive >> sound. Beatwife released his … >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >> >> >

These explanations all make sense, but they don't excuse the name, at all. It's a disgusting name. If we all agree, we should collectively tell him? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 24, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com<mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com>> wrote: As for me, i assumed it was some tribute to the « Beat that bitch with a bat » track, or some other reference everybody here would get except me ! If not , his Max4Live patches names suggest that he has audio under his skin, i mean his « wife » gets literally sequenced, broken, convolved, twiddled, rushed, effected, doctored and... eventually « tranz ». On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com<mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> wrote: i guess i assumed that it was ironic in the sense that maybe he is the wife and he makes beats i dunno Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Baptiste Bacot <baptiste.bacot@gmail.com<mailto:baptiste.bacot@gmail.com>> wrote: I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more appropriate. Unfortunately, the mix and the production seem good, but I dont want to spend much time listening to this guy’s music, because of that name. The list seems terribly silent on that matter. What do you guys and girls think about this « artist name »? I just want to hear from you : do you find the alias legitimate, and if not, why? Best, BB Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> a écrit : "beat wife"?! Really? Dude needs to change his name now. ________________________________ From: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com<mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM To: IDM Subject: beatwife podcast http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ [http://www.orbmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/BW02.png]<http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/> Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag<http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/> www.orbmag.com<http://www.orbmag.com/> Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los Angeles-based producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his alias Beatwife. His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, combined with his knowledge of audio technology, including his signature software and modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s distinctive sound. Beatwife released his … Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings

Guys, marketing has its reasons that the reason ignores. On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:18 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 75 lines These explanations all make sense, but they don't excuse the name, at

> These explanations all make sense, but they don't excuse the name, at > all. It's a disgusting name. If we all agree, we should collectively tell > him? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 24, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> > wrote: > > As for me, i assumed it was some tribute to the *« Beat that bitch with a > bat »* track, or some other reference everybody here would get except me ! > > If not , his Max4Live patches names suggest that he has audio under his > skin, i mean his « wife » gets literally sequenced, broken, convolved, > twiddled, rushed, effected, doctored and... eventually « tranz ». > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> i guess i assumed that it was ironic in the sense that maybe he is the >> wife and he makes beats >> i dunno >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Baptiste Bacot < >> baptiste.bacot@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more appropriate. >>> Unfortunately, the mix and the production seem good, but I dont want to >>> spend much time listening to this guy’s music, because of that name. >>> The list seems terribly silent on that matter. What do you guys and >>> girls think about this « artist name »? I just want to hear from you : do >>> you find the alias legitimate, and if not, why? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> BB >>> >>> Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> a écrit : >>> >>> "beat wife"?! >>> Really? >>> Dude needs to change his name now. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM >>> *To:* IDM >>> *Subject:* beatwife podcast >>> >>> http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ >>> <http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/> >>> Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag >>> <http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/> >>> www.orbmag.com >>> Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los Angeles-based >>> producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his alias Beatwife. >>> His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, combined with his >>> knowledge of audio technology, including his signature software and >>> modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s distinctive >>> sound. Beatwife released his … >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>> >>> >>> >> >

Names like that are pretty common in the breakcore circuit. They tend toward deliberately offensive/horrifying/inflammatory. Y'all ever see any of VSnare's album artwork or track names? Guess it depends on your feelings on being upsetting in (presumably) a tongue-in-cheek way. I can see it being a turnoff, but I also assume that Aaron Funk isn't actually advocating befriending child killers. Music is art blah blah censorship yadda yadda. I haven't listened to much beatwife so idk. On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 9:39 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 81 lines Guys, marketing has its reasons that the reason ignores.

> Guys, marketing has its reasons that the reason ignores. > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:18 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> These explanations all make sense, but they don't excuse the name, at >> all. It's a disgusting name. If we all agree, we should collectively tell >> him? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 24, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> As for me, i assumed it was some tribute to the *« Beat that bitch with >> a bat »* track, or some other reference everybody here would get except >> me ! >> >> If not , his Max4Live patches names suggest that he has audio under his >> skin, i mean his « wife » gets literally sequenced, broken, convolved, >> twiddled, rushed, effected, doctored and... eventually « tranz ». >> >> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> i guess i assumed that it was ironic in the sense that maybe he is the >>> wife and he makes beats >>> i dunno >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Baptiste Bacot < >>> baptiste.bacot@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more appropriate. >>>> Unfortunately, the mix and the production seem good, but I dont want to >>>> spend much time listening to this guy’s music, because of that name. >>>> The list seems terribly silent on that matter. What do you guys and >>>> girls think about this « artist name »? I just want to hear from you : do >>>> you find the alias legitimate, and if not, why? >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> BB >>>> >>>> Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> a écrit : >>>> >>>> "beat wife"?! >>>> Really? >>>> Dude needs to change his name now. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM >>>> *To:* IDM >>>> *Subject:* beatwife podcast >>>> >>>> http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ >>>> <http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/> >>>> Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag >>>> <http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/> >>>> www.orbmag.com >>>> Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los Angeles-based >>>> producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his alias Beatwife. >>>> His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, combined with his >>>> knowledge of audio technology, including his signature software and >>>> modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s distinctive >>>> sound. Beatwife released his … >>>> >>>> >>>> Clint Anderson >>>> Systems Engineer >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >

Some friends of mine booked him in Seattle, they said the name is supposed to denote that he is the wife that is married to beats. So not as offensive as people fear, but unfortunately very easy to interpret that way. On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 9:15 AM Eric Fairbanks <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 100 lines Names like that are pretty common in the breakcore circuit. They tend

> Names like that are pretty common in the breakcore circuit. They tend > toward deliberately offensive/horrifying/inflammatory. Y'all ever see any > of VSnare's album artwork or track names? > > Guess it depends on your feelings on being upsetting in (presumably) a > tongue-in-cheek way. > > I can see it being a turnoff, but I also assume that Aaron Funk isn't > actually advocating befriending child killers. > > Music is art blah blah censorship yadda yadda. > > I haven't listened to much beatwife so idk. > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 9:39 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Guys, marketing has its reasons that the reason ignores. >> >> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:18 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> These explanations all make sense, but they don't excuse the name, at >>> all. It's a disgusting name. If we all agree, we should collectively tell >>> him? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Mar 24, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> As for me, i assumed it was some tribute to the *« Beat that bitch with >>> a bat »* track, or some other reference everybody here would get except >>> me ! >>> >>> If not , his Max4Live patches names suggest that he has audio under his >>> skin, i mean his « wife » gets literally sequenced, broken, convolved, >>> twiddled, rushed, effected, doctored and... eventually « tranz ». >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> i guess i assumed that it was ironic in the sense that maybe he is the >>>> wife and he makes beats >>>> i dunno >>>> >>>> >>>> Clint Anderson >>>> Systems Engineer >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Baptiste Bacot < >>>> baptiste.bacot@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more >>>>> appropriate. >>>>> Unfortunately, the mix and the production seem good, but I dont want >>>>> to spend much time listening to this guy’s music, because of that name. >>>>> The list seems terribly silent on that matter. What do you guys and >>>>> girls think about this « artist name »? I just want to hear from you : do >>>>> you find the alias legitimate, and if not, why? >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> BB >>>>> >>>>> Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> "beat wife"?! >>>>> Really? >>>>> Dude needs to change his name now. >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM >>>>> *To:* IDM >>>>> *Subject:* beatwife podcast >>>>> >>>>> http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ >>>>> <http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/> >>>>> Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag >>>>> <http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/> >>>>> www.orbmag.com >>>>> Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los Angeles-based >>>>> producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his alias Beatwife. >>>>> His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, combined with his >>>>> knowledge of audio technology, including his signature software and >>>>> modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s distinctive >>>>> sound. Beatwife released his … >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>

"Ah yeah, those are beaten up women but it's ok, it always have been this way. you know, boys will be boys, nothing serious." :) PS: hey eric! On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Eric Fairbanks <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 74 lines Names like that are pretty common in the breakcore circuit. They tend toward deliberately

> > Names like that are pretty common in the breakcore circuit. They tend toward deliberately offensive/horrifying/inflammatory. Y'all ever see any of VSnare's album artwork or track names? > > Guess it depends on your feelings on being upsetting in (presumably) a tongue-in-cheek way. > > I can see it being a turnoff, but I also assume that Aaron Funk isn't actually advocating befriending child killers. > > Music is art blah blah censorship yadda yadda. > > I haven't listened to much beatwife so idk. > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 9:39 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Guys, marketing has its reasons that the reason ignores. >> >> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:18 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> These explanations all make sense, but they don't excuse the name, at all. It's a disgusting name. If we all agree, we should collectively tell him? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Mar 24, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> As for me, i assumed it was some tribute to the « Beat that bitch with a bat » track, or some other reference everybody here would get except me ! >>> >>> If not , his Max4Live patches names suggest that he has audio under his skin, i mean his « wife » gets literally sequenced, broken, convolved, twiddled, rushed, effected, doctored and... eventually « tranz ». >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> i guess i assumed that it was ironic in the sense that maybe he is the wife and he makes beats >>>> i dunno >>>> >>>> >>>> Clint Anderson >>>> Systems Engineer >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Baptiste Bacot <baptiste.bacot@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more appropriate. >>>>> Unfortunately, the mix and the production seem good, but I dont want to spend much time listening to this guy’s music, because of that name. >>>>> The list seems terribly silent on that matter. What do you guys and girls think about this « artist name »? I just want to hear from you : do you find the alias legitimate, and if not, why? >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> BB >>>>> >>>>> Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> "beat wife"?! >>>>> Really? >>>>> Dude needs to change his name now. >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM >>>>> To: IDM >>>>> Subject: beatwife podcast >>>>> >>>>> http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ >>>>> Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag >>>>> www.orbmag.com >>>>> Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los Angeles-based producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his alias Beatwife. His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, combined with his knowledge of audio technology, including his signature software and modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s distinctive sound. Beatwife released his … >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>

Aha hey there Mauro! And yeah, I don't mean to be dismissive. It's not something I would choose to do. There's another artist out there who goes by something like "stage 4 cancer" or something that seems a bit insensitive as well, though not in quite the same way. I get that art doesn't need all it's edges sanded off, but I'd think if you're going to have a name like that, it at least deserves some kind of obvious explanation. Unless (perhaps even if) it's meant to make a statement because you're donating album proceeds to domestic-violence-related groups or something it at best comes off as tasteless and at worst as making light of something awful. I think some artists, especially those who make more inaccessible, noisy, horror-driven music might see it as bringing attention to ugly things with the sort of inherent disclaimer that they're not advocating them, but I doubt that comes through to the casual listener or someone intimately familiar with the matter. Perhaps I'm overthinking it, but it's not really an excuse anyway as it doesn't change how it impacts others. On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 106 lines "Ah yeah, those are beaten up women but it's ok, it always have been

> "Ah yeah, those are beaten up women but it's ok, it always have been > this way. you know, boys will be boys, nothing serious." :) > > PS: hey eric! > > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Eric Fairbanks > <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Names like that are pretty common in the breakcore circuit. They tend > toward deliberately offensive/horrifying/inflammatory. Y'all ever see any > of VSnare's album artwork or track names? > > > > Guess it depends on your feelings on being upsetting in (presumably) a > tongue-in-cheek way. > > > > I can see it being a turnoff, but I also assume that Aaron Funk isn't > actually advocating befriending child killers. > > > > Music is art blah blah censorship yadda yadda. > > > > I haven't listened to much beatwife so idk. > > > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 9:39 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Guys, marketing has its reasons that the reason ignores. > >> > >> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:18 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> These explanations all make sense, but they don't excuse the name, at > all. It's a disgusting name. If we all agree, we should collectively tell > him? > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Mar 24, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> As for me, i assumed it was some tribute to the « Beat that bitch with > a bat » track, or some other reference everybody here would get except me ! > >>> > >>> If not , his Max4Live patches names suggest that he has audio under > his skin, i mean his « wife » gets literally sequenced, broken, convolved, > twiddled, rushed, effected, doctored and... eventually « tranz ». > >>> > >>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> i guess i assumed that it was ironic in the sense that maybe he is > the wife and he makes beats > >>>> i dunno > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Clint Anderson > >>>> Systems Engineer > >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Baptiste Bacot < > baptiste.bacot@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more > appropriate. > >>>>> Unfortunately, the mix and the production seem good, but I dont want > to spend much time listening to this guy’s music, because of that name. > >>>>> The list seems terribly silent on that matter. What do you guys and > girls think about this « artist name »? I just want to hear from you : do > you find the alias legitimate, and if not, why? > >>>>> > >>>>> Best, > >>>>> > >>>>> BB > >>>>> > >>>>> Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> a écrit : > >>>>> > >>>>> "beat wife"?! > >>>>> Really? > >>>>> Dude needs to change his name now. > >>>>> > >>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>> From: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM > >>>>> To: IDM > >>>>> Subject: beatwife podcast > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ > >>>>> Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag > >>>>> www.orbmag.com > >>>>> Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los > Angeles-based producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his > alias Beatwife. His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, > combined with his knowledge of audio technology, including his signature > software and modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s > distinctive sound. Beatwife released his … > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Clint Anderson > >>>>> Systems Engineer > >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> >

you’re overthinking it, yes

quoted 93 lines On 24 Mar 2018, at 17:11, Eric Fairbanks <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 24 Mar 2018, at 17:11, Eric Fairbanks <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: > > Aha hey there Mauro! And yeah, I don't mean to be dismissive. It's not something I would choose to do. > > There's another artist out there who goes by something like "stage 4 cancer" or something that seems a bit insensitive as well, though not in quite the same way. > > I get that art doesn't need all it's edges sanded off, but I'd think if you're going to have a name like that, it at least deserves some kind of obvious explanation. Unless (perhaps even if) it's meant to make a statement because you're donating album proceeds to domestic-violence-related groups or something it at best comes off as tasteless and at worst as making light of something awful. > > I think some artists, especially those who make more inaccessible, noisy, horror-driven music might see it as bringing attention to ugly things with the sort of inherent disclaimer that they're not advocating them, but I doubt that comes through to the casual listener or someone intimately familiar with the matter. Perhaps I'm overthinking it, but it's not really an excuse anyway as it doesn't change how it impacts others. > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com <mailto:lavaramano@gmail.com>> wrote: > "Ah yeah, those are beaten up women but it's ok, it always have been > this way. you know, boys will be boys, nothing serious." :) > > PS: hey eric! > > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Eric Fairbanks > <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com <mailto:eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Names like that are pretty common in the breakcore circuit. They tend toward deliberately offensive/horrifying/inflammatory. Y'all ever see any of VSnare's album artwork or track names? > > > > Guess it depends on your feelings on being upsetting in (presumably) a tongue-in-cheek way. > > > > I can see it being a turnoff, but I also assume that Aaron Funk isn't actually advocating befriending child killers. > > > > Music is art blah blah censorship yadda yadda. > > > > I haven't listened to much beatwife so idk. > > > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 9:39 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com <mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> Guys, marketing has its reasons that the reason ignores. > >> > >> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:18 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com <mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>> These explanations all make sense, but they don't excuse the name, at all. It's a disgusting name. If we all agree, we should collectively tell him? > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Mar 24, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com <mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>> As for me, i assumed it was some tribute to the « Beat that bitch with a bat » track, or some other reference everybody here would get except me ! > >>> > >>> If not , his Max4Live patches names suggest that he has audio under his skin, i mean his « wife » gets literally sequenced, broken, convolved, twiddled, rushed, effected, doctored and... eventually « tranz ». > >>> > >>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com <mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> i guess i assumed that it was ironic in the sense that maybe he is the wife and he makes beats > >>>> i dunno > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Clint Anderson > >>>> Systems Engineer > >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Baptiste Bacot <baptiste.bacot@gmail.com <mailto:baptiste.bacot@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more appropriate. > >>>>> Unfortunately, the mix and the production seem good, but I dont want to spend much time listening to this guy’s music, because of that name. > >>>>> The list seems terribly silent on that matter. What do you guys and girls think about this « artist name »? I just want to hear from you : do you find the alias legitimate, and if not, why? > >>>>> > >>>>> Best, > >>>>> > >>>>> BB > >>>>> > >>>>> Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com <mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> a écrit : > >>>>> > >>>>> "beat wife"?! > >>>>> Really? > >>>>> Dude needs to change his name now. > >>>>> > >>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>> From: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com <mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM > >>>>> To: IDM > >>>>> Subject: beatwife podcast > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ <http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/> > >>>>> Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag > >>>>> www.orbmag.com <http://www.orbmag.com/> > >>>>> Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los Angeles-based producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his alias Beatwife. His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, combined with his knowledge of audio technology, including his signature software and modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s distinctive sound. Beatwife released his … > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Clint Anderson > >>>>> Systems Engineer > >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>

:-P You should check out Passenger of Shit! On 17:59, Sat, 24 Mar 2018 Juho Hietala, <hietala@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 140 lines you’re overthinking it, yes

> you’re overthinking it, yes > > > > On 24 Mar 2018, at 17:11, Eric Fairbanks <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Aha hey there Mauro! And yeah, I don't mean to be dismissive. It's not > something I would choose to do. > > There's another artist out there who goes by something like "stage 4 > cancer" or something that seems a bit insensitive as well, though not in > quite the same way. > > I get that art doesn't need all it's edges sanded off, but I'd think if > you're going to have a name like that, it at least deserves some kind of > obvious explanation. Unless (perhaps even if) it's meant to make a > statement because you're donating album proceeds to > domestic-violence-related groups or something it at best comes off as > tasteless and at worst as making light of something awful. > > I think some artists, especially those who make more inaccessible, noisy, > horror-driven music might see it as bringing attention to ugly things with > the sort of inherent disclaimer that they're not advocating them, but I > doubt that comes through to the casual listener or someone intimately > familiar with the matter. Perhaps I'm overthinking it, but it's not really > an excuse anyway as it doesn't change how it impacts others. > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com> wrote: > >> "Ah yeah, those are beaten up women but it's ok, it always have been >> this way. you know, boys will be boys, nothing serious." :) >> >> PS: hey eric! >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Eric Fairbanks >> <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Names like that are pretty common in the breakcore circuit. They tend >> toward deliberately offensive/horrifying/inflammatory. Y'all ever see any >> of VSnare's album artwork or track names? >> > >> > Guess it depends on your feelings on being upsetting in (presumably) a >> tongue-in-cheek way. >> > >> > I can see it being a turnoff, but I also assume that Aaron Funk isn't >> actually advocating befriending child killers. >> > >> > Music is art blah blah censorship yadda yadda. >> > >> > I haven't listened to much beatwife so idk. >> > >> > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 9:39 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Guys, marketing has its reasons that the reason ignores. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:18 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> These explanations all make sense, but they don't excuse the name, at >> all. It's a disgusting name. If we all agree, we should collectively tell >> him? >> >>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> >> >>> On Mar 24, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> As for me, i assumed it was some tribute to the « Beat that bitch >> with a bat » track, or some other reference everybody here would get except >> me ! >> >>> >> >>> If not , his Max4Live patches names suggest that he has audio under >> his skin, i mean his « wife » gets literally sequenced, broken, convolved, >> twiddled, rushed, effected, doctored and... eventually « tranz ». >> >>> >> >>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> i guess i assumed that it was ironic in the sense that maybe he is >> the wife and he makes beats >> >>>> i dunno >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Clint Anderson >> >>>> Systems Engineer >> >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Baptiste Bacot < >> baptiste.bacot@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more >> appropriate. >> >>>>> Unfortunately, the mix and the production seem good, but I dont >> want to spend much time listening to this guy’s music, because of that name. >> >>>>> The list seems terribly silent on that matter. What do you guys and >> girls think about this « artist name »? I just want to hear from you : do >> you find the alias legitimate, and if not, why? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Best, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> BB >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> a écrit : >> >>>>> >> >>>>> "beat wife"?! >> >>>>> Really? >> >>>>> Dude needs to change his name now. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ________________________________ >> >>>>> From: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM >> >>>>> To: IDM >> >>>>> Subject: beatwife podcast >> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ >> >>>>> Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag >> >>>>> www.orbmag.com >> >>>>> Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los >> Angeles-based producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his >> alias Beatwife. His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, >> combined with his knowledge of audio technology, including his signature >> software and modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s >> distinctive sound. Beatwife released his … >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Clint Anderson >> >>>>> Systems Engineer >> >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >

Hi everyone, long time lurker. I think it seems obvious that his pseudonym has nothing to do with beating anyone up. It's a slippery slope for the arts. If artists keep catering to fragile safe spaces, and politically mandated speech and correctness, they will eventually be shut down for expressing opinions or even emotions that may differ from establishment ones. Perhaps music & percussion that's too aggressive sounding, fast, or doesn't conform to establishment ideology will be censored, & or shut down? As an example, RDJ has expressed differing opinions from establishment ones in various interviews. Also there was John Major's criminal justice bill which attempted to outlaw repetitive beats. "This artist name, or music makes me feel uncomfortable so lets ban it." Enough with the outrage. Life isn't always about being comfortable. Much of life is about struggle, and overcoming obstacles. Never heard of the guy, but this is a cool album btw. Definitely gonna pick this up. Thanks for the info Clint! https://beatwife.bandcamp.com/ [https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a3964830287_5.jpg]<https://beatwife.bandcamp.com/> Beatwife<https://beatwife.bandcamp.com/> beatwife.bandcamp.com Beatwife Earl Rögnvald (Wife Trax), released 12 July 2017 1. Badboy Flöw 2. Face Daddy 3. Fat Böwler 4. Child Of Pappa 5. Plankerön 6. Acid Acid 7. Export Grabber 8. ________________________________ From: Eric Fairbanks <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:11 PM To: Mauro Cc: IDM Subject: Re: beatwife podcast Aha hey there Mauro! And yeah, I don't mean to be dismissive. It's not something I would choose to do. There's another artist out there who goes by something like "stage 4 cancer" or something that seems a bit insensitive as well, though not in quite the same way. I get that art doesn't need all it's edges sanded off, but I'd think if you're going to have a name like that, it at least deserves some kind of obvious explanation. Unless (perhaps even if) it's meant to make a statement because you're donating album proceeds to domestic-violence-related groups or something it at best comes off as tasteless and at worst as making light of something awful. I think some artists, especially those who make more inaccessible, noisy, horror-driven music might see it as bringing attention to ugly things with the sort of inherent disclaimer that they're not advocating them, but I doubt that comes through to the casual listener or someone intimately familiar with the matter. Perhaps I'm overthinking it, but it's not really an excuse anyway as it doesn't change how it impacts others. On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com<mailto:lavaramano@gmail.com>> wrote: "Ah yeah, those are beaten up women but it's ok, it always have been this way. you know, boys will be boys, nothing serious." :) PS: hey eric! On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Eric Fairbanks <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com<mailto:eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com>> wrote:

quoted 74 lines Names like that are pretty common in the breakcore circuit. They tend toward deliberately

> > Names like that are pretty common in the breakcore circuit. They tend toward deliberately offensive/horrifying/inflammatory. Y'all ever see any of VSnare's album artwork or track names? > > Guess it depends on your feelings on being upsetting in (presumably) a tongue-in-cheek way. > > I can see it being a turnoff, but I also assume that Aaron Funk isn't actually advocating befriending child killers. > > Music is art blah blah censorship yadda yadda. > > I haven't listened to much beatwife so idk. > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 9:39 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com<mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Guys, marketing has its reasons that the reason ignores. >> >> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:18 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> These explanations all make sense, but they don't excuse the name, at all. It's a disgusting name. If we all agree, we should collectively tell him? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Mar 24, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com<mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> As for me, i assumed it was some tribute to the « Beat that bitch with a bat » track, or some other reference everybody here would get except me ! >>> >>> If not , his Max4Live patches names suggest that he has audio under his skin, i mean his « wife » gets literally sequenced, broken, convolved, twiddled, rushed, effected, doctored and... eventually « tranz ». >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com<mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> i guess i assumed that it was ironic in the sense that maybe he is the wife and he makes beats >>>> i dunno >>>> >>>> >>>> Clint Anderson >>>> Systems Engineer >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Baptiste Bacot <baptiste.bacot@gmail.com<mailto:baptiste.bacot@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more appropriate. >>>>> Unfortunately, the mix and the production seem good, but I dont want to spend much time listening to this guy’s music, because of that name. >>>>> The list seems terribly silent on that matter. What do you guys and girls think about this « artist name »? I just want to hear from you : do you find the alias legitimate, and if not, why? >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> BB >>>>> >>>>> Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> "beat wife"?! >>>>> Really? >>>>> Dude needs to change his name now. >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com<mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM >>>>> To: IDM >>>>> Subject: beatwife podcast >>>>> >>>>> http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ >>>>> Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag >>>>> www.orbmag.com<http://www.orbmag.com> >>>>> Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los Angeles-based producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his alias Beatwife. His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, combined with his knowledge of audio technology, including his signature software and modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s distinctive sound. Beatwife released his … >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>

hi there! (another lurker here) i see your point, but at the same time: "Much of life is about struggle, and overcoming obstacles." such as stop making fun (_not saying the artist is doing it_) of violence towards a certain group of people, right? or you mean being a 14 y/o rebel who thinks that "sticking it to the man" implies being an awful person? either way, this discussion belongs to another mailing list i guess. and yeah, the music is really good. (back to the topic of this list heh) On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, J L <importspeedster@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 129 lines Hi everyone, long time lurker.

> > Hi everyone, long time lurker. > > > I think it seems obvious that his pseudonym has nothing to do with beating anyone up. > > > It's a slippery slope for the arts. If artists keep catering to fragile safe spaces, and politically mandated speech and correctness, they will eventually be shut down for expressing opinions or even emotions that may differ from establishment ones. Perhaps music & percussion that's too aggressive sounding, fast, or doesn't conform to establishment ideology will be censored, & or shut down? > > As an example, RDJ has expressed differing opinions from establishment ones in various interviews. Also there was John Major's criminal justice bill which attempted to outlaw repetitive beats. > > > "This artist name, or music makes me feel uncomfortable so lets ban it." Enough with the outrage. Life isn't always about being comfortable. Much of life is about struggle, and overcoming obstacles. > > > Never heard of the guy, but this is a cool album btw. Definitely gonna pick this up. Thanks for the info Clint! > > > > https://beatwife.bandcamp.com/ > > Beatwife > beatwife.bandcamp.com > Beatwife Earl Rögnvald (Wife Trax), released 12 July 2017 1. Badboy Flöw 2. Face Daddy 3. Fat Böwler 4. Child Of Pappa 5. Plankerön 6. Acid Acid 7. Export Grabber 8. > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Eric Fairbanks <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:11 PM > To: Mauro > Cc: IDM > Subject: Re: beatwife podcast > > Aha hey there Mauro! And yeah, I don't mean to be dismissive. It's not something I would choose to do. > > There's another artist out there who goes by something like "stage 4 cancer" or something that seems a bit insensitive as well, though not in quite the same way. > > I get that art doesn't need all it's edges sanded off, but I'd think if you're going to have a name like that, it at least deserves some kind of obvious explanation. Unless (perhaps even if) it's meant to make a statement because you're donating album proceeds to domestic-violence-related groups or something it at best comes off as tasteless and at worst as making light of something awful. > > I think some artists, especially those who make more inaccessible, noisy, horror-driven music might see it as bringing attention to ugly things with the sort of inherent disclaimer that they're not advocating them, but I doubt that comes through to the casual listener or someone intimately familiar with the matter. Perhaps I'm overthinking it, but it's not really an excuse anyway as it doesn't change how it impacts others. > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com> wrote: > > "Ah yeah, those are beaten up women but it's ok, it always have been > this way. you know, boys will be boys, nothing serious." :) > > PS: hey eric! > > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Eric Fairbanks > <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Names like that are pretty common in the breakcore circuit. They tend toward deliberately offensive/horrifying/inflammatory. Y'all ever see any of VSnare's album artwork or track names? > > > > Guess it depends on your feelings on being upsetting in (presumably) a tongue-in-cheek way. > > > > I can see it being a turnoff, but I also assume that Aaron Funk isn't actually advocating befriending child killers. > > > > Music is art blah blah censorship yadda yadda. > > > > I haven't listened to much beatwife so idk. > > > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 9:39 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Guys, marketing has its reasons that the reason ignores. > >> > >> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:18 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> These explanations all make sense, but they don't excuse the name, at all. It's a disgusting name. If we all agree, we should collectively tell him? > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Mar 24, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> As for me, i assumed it was some tribute to the « Beat that bitch with a bat » track, or some other reference everybody here would get except me ! > >>> > >>> If not , his Max4Live patches names suggest that he has audio under his skin, i mean his « wife » gets literally sequenced, broken, convolved, twiddled, rushed, effected, doctored and... eventually « tranz ». > >>> > >>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> i guess i assumed that it was ironic in the sense that maybe he is the wife and he makes beats > >>>> i dunno > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Clint Anderson > >>>> Systems Engineer > >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Baptiste Bacot <baptiste.bacot@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more appropriate. > >>>>> Unfortunately, the mix and the production seem good, but I dont want to spend much time listening to this guy’s music, because of that name. > >>>>> The list seems terribly silent on that matter. What do you guys and girls think about this « artist name »? I just want to hear from you : do you find the alias legitimate, and if not, why? > >>>>> > >>>>> Best, > >>>>> > >>>>> BB > >>>>> > >>>>> Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> a écrit : > >>>>> > >>>>> "beat wife"?! > >>>>> Really? > >>>>> Dude needs to change his name now. > >>>>> > >>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>> From: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM > >>>>> To: IDM > >>>>> Subject: beatwife podcast > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ > >>>>> Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag > >>>>> www.orbmag.com > >>>>> Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los Angeles-based producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his alias Beatwife. His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, combined with his knowledge of audio technology, including his signature software and modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s distinctive sound. Beatwife released his … > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Clint Anderson > >>>>> Systems Engineer > >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>

Hi Mauro, my point was that he's not making fun of a certain group—yet you keep mentioning it because you're misinterpreting his words. You're being hypersensitive. I have no idea what you're talking about here. What does this mean? "or you mean being a 14 y/o rebel who thinks that "sticking it to the man" implies being an awful person?" ________________________________ From: Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 3:02 PM Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: beatwife podcast hi there! (another lurker here) i see your point, but at the same time: "Much of life is about struggle, and overcoming obstacles." such as stop making fun (_not saying the artist is doing it_) of violence towards a certain group of people, right? or you mean being a 14 y/o rebel who thinks that "sticking it to the man" implies being an awful person? either way, this discussion belongs to another mailing list i guess. and yeah, the music is really good. (back to the topic of this list heh) On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, J L <importspeedster@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 20 lines Hi everyone, long time lurker.

> > Hi everyone, long time lurker. > > > I think it seems obvious that his pseudonym has nothing to do with beating anyone up. > > > It's a slippery slope for the arts. If artists keep catering to fragile safe spaces, and politically mandated speech and correctness, they will eventually be shut down for expressing opinions or even emotions that may differ from establishment ones. Perhaps music & percussion that's too aggressive sounding, fast, or doesn't conform to establishment ideology will be censored, & or shut down? > > As an example, RDJ has expressed differing opinions from establishment ones in various interviews. Also there was John Major's criminal justice bill which attempted to outlaw repetitive beats. > > > "This artist name, or music makes me feel uncomfortable so lets ban it." Enough with the outrage. Life isn't always about being comfortable. Much of life is about struggle, and overcoming obstacles. > > > Never heard of the guy, but this is a cool album btw. Definitely gonna pick this up. Thanks for the info Clint! > > > > https://beatwife.bandcamp.com/

[https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a3964830287_5.jpg]<https://beatwife.bandcamp.com/> Beatwife<https://beatwife.bandcamp.com/> beatwife.bandcamp.com Beatwife Earl Rögnvald (Wife Trax), released 12 July 2017 1. Badboy Flöw 2. Face Daddy 3. Fat Böwler 4. Child Of Pappa 5. Plankerön 6. Acid Acid 7. Export Grabber 8.

quoted 109 lines Beatwife

> > Beatwife > beatwife.bandcamp.com > Beatwife Earl Rögnvald (Wife Trax), released 12 July 2017 1. Badboy Flöw 2. Face Daddy 3. Fat Böwler 4. Child Of Pappa 5. Plankerön 6. Acid Acid 7. Export Grabber 8. > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Eric Fairbanks <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:11 PM > To: Mauro > Cc: IDM > Subject: Re: beatwife podcast > > Aha hey there Mauro! And yeah, I don't mean to be dismissive. It's not something I would choose to do. > > There's another artist out there who goes by something like "stage 4 cancer" or something that seems a bit insensitive as well, though not in quite the same way. > > I get that art doesn't need all it's edges sanded off, but I'd think if you're going to have a name like that, it at least deserves some kind of obvious explanation. Unless (perhaps even if) it's meant to make a statement because you're donating album proceeds to domestic-violence-related groups or something it at best comes off as tasteless and at worst as making light of something awful. > > I think some artists, especially those who make more inaccessible, noisy, horror-driven music might see it as bringing attention to ugly things with the sort of inherent disclaimer that they're not advocating them, but I doubt that comes through to the casual listener or someone intimately familiar with the matter. Perhaps I'm overthinking it, but it's not really an excuse anyway as it doesn't change how it impacts others. > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com> wrote: > > "Ah yeah, those are beaten up women but it's ok, it always have been > this way. you know, boys will be boys, nothing serious." :) > > PS: hey eric! > > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Eric Fairbanks > <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Names like that are pretty common in the breakcore circuit. They tend toward deliberately offensive/horrifying/inflammatory. Y'all ever see any of VSnare's album artwork or track names? > > > > Guess it depends on your feelings on being upsetting in (presumably) a tongue-in-cheek way. > > > > I can see it being a turnoff, but I also assume that Aaron Funk isn't actually advocating befriending child killers. > > > > Music is art blah blah censorship yadda yadda. > > > > I haven't listened to much beatwife so idk. > > > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 9:39 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Guys, marketing has its reasons that the reason ignores. > >> > >> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:18 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> These explanations all make sense, but they don't excuse the name, at all. It's a disgusting name. If we all agree, we should collectively tell him? > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Mar 24, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> As for me, i assumed it was some tribute to the « Beat that bitch with a bat » track, or some other reference everybody here would get except me ! > >>> > >>> If not , his Max4Live patches names suggest that he has audio under his skin, i mean his « wife » gets literally sequenced, broken, convolved, twiddled, rushed, effected, doctored and... eventually « tranz ». > >>> > >>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> i guess i assumed that it was ironic in the sense that maybe he is the wife and he makes beats > >>>> i dunno > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Clint Anderson > >>>> Systems Engineer > >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Baptiste Bacot <baptiste.bacot@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more appropriate. > >>>>> Unfortunately, the mix and the production seem good, but I dont want to spend much time listening to this guy’s music, because of that name. > >>>>> The list seems terribly silent on that matter. What do you guys and girls think about this « artist name »? I just want to hear from you : do you find the alias legitimate, and if not, why? > >>>>> > >>>>> Best, > >>>>> > >>>>> BB > >>>>> > >>>>> Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> a écrit : > >>>>> > >>>>> "beat wife"?! > >>>>> Really? > >>>>> Dude needs to change his name now. > >>>>> > >>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>> From: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM > >>>>> To: IDM > >>>>> Subject: beatwife podcast > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ > >>>>> Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag > >>>>> www.orbmag.com<http://www.orbmag.com> > >>>>> Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los Angeles-based producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his alias Beatwife. His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, combined with his knowledge of audio technology, including his signature software and modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s distinctive sound. Beatwife released his … > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Clint Anderson > >>>>> Systems Engineer > >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>

If someone finds the name offensive, don't support the artist. Pretty simple. Personally, I find the name more gimmicky than offensive. But why do artists choose gimmicky or offensive names? Because it drives people on forums and obscure internet lists to listen to their music. If only I'd thought to put a marshmallow on my head during my gigs... On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:22 PM, J L <importspeedster@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 217 lines Hi Mauro, my point was that he's not making fun of a certain group—yet you

> Hi Mauro, my point was that he's not making fun of a certain group—yet you > keep mentioning it because you're misinterpreting his words. You're > being hypersensitive. > > > I have no idea what you're talking about here. What does this mean? "or > you mean being a 14 y/o rebel who thinks that > "sticking it to the man" implies being an awful person?" > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Saturday, March 24, 2018 3:02 PM > *Cc:* idm@hyperreal.org > *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast > > hi there! (another lurker here) > > i see your point, but at the same time: "Much of life is about > struggle, and overcoming obstacles." such as stop making fun (_not > saying the artist is doing it_) of violence towards a certain group of > people, right? or you mean being a 14 y/o rebel who thinks that > "sticking it to the man" implies being an awful person? either way, > this discussion belongs to another mailing list i guess. > > and yeah, the music is really good. (back to the topic of this list heh) > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, J L <importspeedster@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, long time lurker. > > > > > > I think it seems obvious that his pseudonym has nothing to do with > beating anyone up. > > > > > > It's a slippery slope for the arts. If artists keep catering to fragile > safe spaces, and politically mandated speech and correctness, they will > eventually be shut down for expressing opinions or even emotions that may > differ from establishment ones. Perhaps music & percussion that's too > aggressive sounding, fast, or doesn't conform to establishment ideology > will be censored, & or shut down? > > > > As an example, RDJ has expressed differing opinions from establishment > ones in various interviews. Also there was John Major's criminal justice > bill which attempted to outlaw repetitive beats. > > > > > > "This artist name, or music makes me feel uncomfortable so lets ban it." > Enough with the outrage. Life isn't always about being comfortable. Much of > life is about struggle, and overcoming obstacles. > > > > > > Never heard of the guy, but this is a cool album btw. Definitely gonna > pick this up. Thanks for the info Clint! > > > > > > > > https://beatwife.bandcamp.com/ > <https://beatwife.bandcamp.com/> > Beatwife <https://beatwife.bandcamp.com/> > beatwife.bandcamp.com > Beatwife Earl Rögnvald (Wife Trax), released 12 July 2017 1. Badboy Flöw > 2. Face Daddy 3. Fat Böwler 4. Child Of Pappa 5. Plankerön 6. Acid Acid 7. > Export Grabber 8. > > > > > > Beatwife > > beatwife.bandcamp.com > > Beatwife Earl Rögnvald (Wife Trax), released 12 July 2017 1. Badboy Flöw > 2. Face Daddy 3. Fat Böwler 4. Child Of Pappa 5. Plankerön 6. Acid Acid 7. > Export Grabber 8. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Eric Fairbanks <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> > > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:11 PM > > To: Mauro > > Cc: IDM > > Subject: Re: beatwife podcast > > > > Aha hey there Mauro! And yeah, I don't mean to be dismissive. It's not > something I would choose to do. > > > > There's another artist out there who goes by something like "stage 4 > cancer" or something that seems a bit insensitive as well, though not in > quite the same way. > > > > I get that art doesn't need all it's edges sanded off, but I'd think if > you're going to have a name like that, it at least deserves some kind of > obvious explanation. Unless (perhaps even if) it's meant to make a > statement because you're donating album proceeds to > domestic-violence-related groups or something it at best comes off as > tasteless and at worst as making light of something awful. > > > > I think some artists, especially those who make more inaccessible, > noisy, horror-driven music might see it as bringing attention to ugly > things with the sort of inherent disclaimer that they're not advocating > them, but I doubt that comes through to the casual listener or someone > intimately familiar with the matter. Perhaps I'm overthinking it, but it's > not really an excuse anyway as it doesn't change how it impacts others. > > > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > "Ah yeah, those are beaten up women but it's ok, it always have been > > this way. you know, boys will be boys, nothing serious." :) > > > > PS: hey eric! > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Eric Fairbanks > > <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Names like that are pretty common in the breakcore circuit. They tend > toward deliberately offensive/horrifying/inflammatory. Y'all ever see any > of VSnare's album artwork or track names? > > > > > > Guess it depends on your feelings on being upsetting in (presumably) a > tongue-in-cheek way. > > > > > > I can see it being a turnoff, but I also assume that Aaron Funk isn't > actually advocating befriending child killers. > > > > > > Music is art blah blah censorship yadda yadda. > > > > > > I haven't listened to much beatwife so idk. > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 9:39 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >> > > >> Guys, marketing has its reasons that the reason ignores. > > >> > > >> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:18 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> These explanations all make sense, but they don't excuse the name, > at all. It's a disgusting name. If we all agree, we should collectively > tell him? > > >>> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>> > > >>> On Mar 24, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Laurent Knauth < > laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> As for me, i assumed it was some tribute to the « Beat that bitch > with a bat » track, or some other reference everybody here would get except > me ! > > >>> > > >>> If not , his Max4Live patches names suggest that he has audio under > his skin, i mean his « wife » gets literally sequenced, broken, convolved, > twiddled, rushed, effected, doctored and... eventually « tranz ». > > >>> > > >>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> i guess i assumed that it was ironic in the sense that maybe he is > the wife and he makes beats > > >>>> i dunno > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Clint Anderson > > >>>> Systems Engineer > > >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Baptiste Bacot < > baptiste.bacot@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more > appropriate. > > >>>>> Unfortunately, the mix and the production seem good, but I dont > want to spend much time listening to this guy’s music, because of that name. > > >>>>> The list seems terribly silent on that matter. What do you guys > and girls think about this « artist name »? I just want to hear from you : > do you find the alias legitimate, and if not, why? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Best, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> BB > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> a écrit : > > >>>>> > > >>>>> "beat wife"?! > > >>>>> Really? > > >>>>> Dude needs to change his name now. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ________________________________ > > >>>>> From: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> > > >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM > > >>>>> To: IDM > > >>>>> Subject: beatwife podcast > > >>>>> > > >>>>> http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ > > >>>>> Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag > > >>>>> www.orbmag.com > > >>>>> Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los > Angeles-based producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his > alias Beatwife. His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, > combined with his knowledge of audio technology, including his signature > software and modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s > distinctive sound. Beatwife released his … > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Clint Anderson > > >>>>> Systems Engineer > > >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> >

-- 22tape/jared dunne listen <http://22tape.com>

ding ding ding huge thread about this guy just cuz he used the name 'beatwife' clearly it makes you stop and look twice Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 2:48 PM, 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 234 lines If someone finds the name offensive, don't support the artist. Pretty

> If someone finds the name offensive, don't support the artist. Pretty > simple. Personally, I find the name more gimmicky than offensive. But why > do artists choose gimmicky or offensive names? Because it drives people on > forums and obscure internet lists to listen to their music. If only I'd > thought to put a marshmallow on my head during my gigs... > > > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:22 PM, J L <importspeedster@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Mauro, my point was that he's not making fun of a certain group—yet >> you keep mentioning it because you're misinterpreting his words. You're >> being hypersensitive. >> >> >> I have no idea what you're talking about here. What does this mean? "or >> you mean being a 14 y/o rebel who thinks that >> "sticking it to the man" implies being an awful person?" >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 24, 2018 3:02 PM >> *Cc:* idm@hyperreal.org >> *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast >> >> hi there! (another lurker here) >> >> i see your point, but at the same time: "Much of life is about >> struggle, and overcoming obstacles." such as stop making fun (_not >> saying the artist is doing it_) of violence towards a certain group of >> people, right? or you mean being a 14 y/o rebel who thinks that >> "sticking it to the man" implies being an awful person? either way, >> this discussion belongs to another mailing list i guess. >> >> and yeah, the music is really good. (back to the topic of this list heh) >> >> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, J L <importspeedster@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hi everyone, long time lurker. >> > >> > >> > I think it seems obvious that his pseudonym has nothing to do with >> beating anyone up. >> > >> > >> > It's a slippery slope for the arts. If artists keep catering to fragile >> safe spaces, and politically mandated speech and correctness, they will >> eventually be shut down for expressing opinions or even emotions that may >> differ from establishment ones. Perhaps music & percussion that's too >> aggressive sounding, fast, or doesn't conform to establishment ideology >> will be censored, & or shut down? >> > >> > As an example, RDJ has expressed differing opinions from establishment >> ones in various interviews. Also there was John Major's criminal justice >> bill which attempted to outlaw repetitive beats. >> > >> > >> > "This artist name, or music makes me feel uncomfortable so lets ban >> it." Enough with the outrage. Life isn't always about being comfortable. >> Much of life is about struggle, and overcoming obstacles. >> > >> > >> > Never heard of the guy, but this is a cool album btw. Definitely gonna >> pick this up. Thanks for the info Clint! >> > >> > >> > >> > https://beatwife.bandcamp.com/ >> <https://beatwife.bandcamp.com/> >> Beatwife <https://beatwife.bandcamp.com/> >> beatwife.bandcamp.com >> Beatwife Earl Rögnvald (Wife Trax), released 12 July 2017 1. Badboy Flöw >> 2. Face Daddy 3. Fat Böwler 4. Child Of Pappa 5. Plankerön 6. Acid Acid 7. >> Export Grabber 8. >> >> >> > >> > Beatwife >> > beatwife.bandcamp.com >> > Beatwife Earl Rögnvald (Wife Trax), released 12 July 2017 1. Badboy >> Flöw 2. Face Daddy 3. Fat Böwler 4. Child Of Pappa 5. Plankerön 6. Acid >> Acid 7. Export Grabber 8. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: Eric Fairbanks <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> >> > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:11 PM >> > To: Mauro >> > Cc: IDM >> > Subject: Re: beatwife podcast >> > >> > Aha hey there Mauro! And yeah, I don't mean to be dismissive. It's not >> something I would choose to do. >> > >> > There's another artist out there who goes by something like "stage 4 >> cancer" or something that seems a bit insensitive as well, though not in >> quite the same way. >> > >> > I get that art doesn't need all it's edges sanded off, but I'd think if >> you're going to have a name like that, it at least deserves some kind of >> obvious explanation. Unless (perhaps even if) it's meant to make a >> statement because you're donating album proceeds to >> domestic-violence-related groups or something it at best comes off as >> tasteless and at worst as making light of something awful. >> > >> > I think some artists, especially those who make more inaccessible, >> noisy, horror-driven music might see it as bringing attention to ugly >> things with the sort of inherent disclaimer that they're not advocating >> them, but I doubt that comes through to the casual listener or someone >> intimately familiar with the matter. Perhaps I'm overthinking it, but it's >> not really an excuse anyway as it doesn't change how it impacts others. >> > >> > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > "Ah yeah, those are beaten up women but it's ok, it always have been >> > this way. you know, boys will be boys, nothing serious." :) >> > >> > PS: hey eric! >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Eric Fairbanks >> > <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > Names like that are pretty common in the breakcore circuit. They tend >> toward deliberately offensive/horrifying/inflammatory. Y'all ever see >> any of VSnare's album artwork or track names? >> > > >> > > Guess it depends on your feelings on being upsetting in (presumably) >> a tongue-in-cheek way. >> > > >> > > I can see it being a turnoff, but I also assume that Aaron Funk isn't >> actually advocating befriending child killers. >> > > >> > > Music is art blah blah censorship yadda yadda. >> > > >> > > I haven't listened to much beatwife so idk. >> > > >> > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 9:39 AM Laurent Knauth < >> laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Guys, marketing has its reasons that the reason ignores. >> > >> >> > >> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:18 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> These explanations all make sense, but they don't excuse the name, >> at all. It's a disgusting name. If we all agree, we should collectively >> tell him? >> > >>> >> > >>> Sent from my iPhone >> > >>> >> > >>> On Mar 24, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Laurent Knauth < >> laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> As for me, i assumed it was some tribute to the « Beat that bitch >> with a bat » track, or some other reference everybody here would get except >> me ! >> > >>> >> > >>> If not , his Max4Live patches names suggest that he has audio under >> his skin, i mean his « wife » gets literally sequenced, broken, convolved, >> twiddled, rushed, effected, doctored and... eventually « tranz ». >> > >>> >> > >>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >>>> >> > >>>> i guess i assumed that it was ironic in the sense that maybe he is >> the wife and he makes beats >> > >>>> i dunno >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Clint Anderson >> > >>>> Systems Engineer >> > >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Baptiste Bacot < >> baptiste.bacot@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more >> appropriate. >> > >>>>> Unfortunately, the mix and the production seem good, but I dont >> want to spend much time listening to this guy’s music, because of that name. >> > >>>>> The list seems terribly silent on that matter. What do you guys >> and girls think about this « artist name »? I just want to hear from you : >> do you find the alias legitimate, and if not, why? >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Best, >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> BB >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> a écrit : >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> "beat wife"?! >> > >>>>> Really? >> > >>>>> Dude needs to change his name now. >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> ________________________________ >> > >>>>> From: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM >> > >>>>> To: IDM >> > >>>>> Subject: beatwife podcast >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ >> > >>>>> Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag >> > >>>>> www.orbmag.com >> > >>>>> Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los >> Angeles-based producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his >> alias Beatwife. His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, >> combined with his knowledge of audio technology, including his signature >> software and modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s >> distinctive sound. Beatwife released his … >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Clint Anderson >> > >>>>> Systems Engineer >> > >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen <http://22tape.com> >

oh cool... hehe, maybe "wife" is an archaic concept anyway.. so he beat it! yeah... now we all saying his name... will check him out lateryyy!! or maybee/maybeatnot... On 25 March 2018 at 01:04, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

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> ding ding ding > huge thread about this guy just cuz he used the name 'beatwife' > clearly it makes you stop and look twice > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 2:48 PM, 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If someone finds the name offensive, don't support the artist. Pretty >> simple. Personally, I find the name more gimmicky than offensive. But why >> do artists choose gimmicky or offensive names? Because it drives people on >> forums and obscure internet lists to listen to their music. If only I'd >> thought to put a marshmallow on my head during my gigs... >> >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:22 PM, J L <importspeedster@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Mauro, my point was that he's not making fun of a certain group—yet >>> you keep mentioning it because you're misinterpreting his words. You're >>> being hypersensitive. >>> >>> >>> I have no idea what you're talking about here. What does this mean? "or >>> you mean being a 14 y/o rebel who thinks that >>> "sticking it to the man" implies being an awful person?" >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 24, 2018 3:02 PM >>> *Cc:* idm@hyperreal.org >>> *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast >>> >>> hi there! (another lurker here) >>> >>> i see your point, but at the same time: "Much of life is about >>> struggle, and overcoming obstacles." such as stop making fun (_not >>> saying the artist is doing it_) of violence towards a certain group of >>> people, right? or you mean being a 14 y/o rebel who thinks that >>> "sticking it to the man" implies being an awful person? either way, >>> this discussion belongs to another mailing list i guess. >>> >>> and yeah, the music is really good. (back to the topic of this list heh) >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, J L <importspeedster@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi everyone, long time lurker. >>> > >>> > >>> > I think it seems obvious that his pseudonym has nothing to do with >>> beating anyone up. >>> > >>> > >>> > It's a slippery slope for the arts. If artists keep catering to >>> fragile safe spaces, and politically mandated speech and correctness, they >>> will eventually be shut down for expressing opinions or even emotions that >>> may differ from establishment ones. Perhaps music & percussion that's too >>> aggressive sounding, fast, or doesn't conform to establishment ideology >>> will be censored, & or shut down? >>> > >>> > As an example, RDJ has expressed differing opinions from establishment >>> ones in various interviews. Also there was John Major's criminal justice >>> bill which attempted to outlaw repetitive beats. >>> > >>> > >>> > "This artist name, or music makes me feel uncomfortable so lets ban >>> it." Enough with the outrage. Life isn't always about being comfortable. >>> Much of life is about struggle, and overcoming obstacles. >>> > >>> > >>> > Never heard of the guy, but this is a cool album btw. Definitely gonna >>> pick this up. Thanks for the info Clint! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > https://beatwife.bandcamp.com/ >>> <https://beatwife.bandcamp.com/> >>> Beatwife <https://beatwife.bandcamp.com/> >>> beatwife.bandcamp.com >>> Beatwife Earl Rögnvald (Wife Trax), released 12 July 2017 1. Badboy Flöw >>> 2. Face Daddy 3. Fat Böwler 4. Child Of Pappa 5. Plankerön 6. Acid Acid 7. >>> Export Grabber 8. >>> >>> >>> > >>> > Beatwife >>> > beatwife.bandcamp.com >>> > Beatwife Earl Rögnvald (Wife Trax), released 12 July 2017 1. Badboy >>> Flöw 2. Face Daddy 3. Fat Böwler 4. Child Of Pappa 5. Plankerön 6. Acid >>> Acid 7. Export Grabber 8. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > From: Eric Fairbanks <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> >>> > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:11 PM >>> > To: Mauro >>> > Cc: IDM >>> > Subject: Re: beatwife podcast >>> > >>> > Aha hey there Mauro! And yeah, I don't mean to be dismissive. It's not >>> something I would choose to do. >>> > >>> > There's another artist out there who goes by something like "stage 4 >>> cancer" or something that seems a bit insensitive as well, though not in >>> quite the same way. >>> > >>> > I get that art doesn't need all it's edges sanded off, but I'd think >>> if you're going to have a name like that, it at least deserves some kind of >>> obvious explanation. Unless (perhaps even if) it's meant to make a >>> statement because you're donating album proceeds to >>> domestic-violence-related groups or something it at best comes off as >>> tasteless and at worst as making light of something awful. >>> > >>> > I think some artists, especially those who make more inaccessible, >>> noisy, horror-driven music might see it as bringing attention to ugly >>> things with the sort of inherent disclaimer that they're not advocating >>> them, but I doubt that comes through to the casual listener or someone >>> intimately familiar with the matter. Perhaps I'm overthinking it, but it's >>> not really an excuse anyway as it doesn't change how it impacts others. >>> > >>> > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > "Ah yeah, those are beaten up women but it's ok, it always have been >>> > this way. you know, boys will be boys, nothing serious." :) >>> > >>> > PS: hey eric! >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Eric Fairbanks >>> > <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Names like that are pretty common in the breakcore circuit. They >>> tend toward deliberately offensive/horrifying/inflammatory. Y'all ever >>> see any of VSnare's album artwork or track names? >>> > > >>> > > Guess it depends on your feelings on being upsetting in (presumably) >>> a tongue-in-cheek way. >>> > > >>> > > I can see it being a turnoff, but I also assume that Aaron Funk >>> isn't actually advocating befriending child killers. >>> > > >>> > > Music is art blah blah censorship yadda yadda. >>> > > >>> > > I haven't listened to much beatwife so idk. >>> > > >>> > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 9:39 AM Laurent Knauth < >>> laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >> Guys, marketing has its reasons that the reason ignores. >>> > >> >>> > >> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:18 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> These explanations all make sense, but they don't excuse the name, >>> at all. It's a disgusting name. If we all agree, we should collectively >>> tell him? >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> >>> > >>> On Mar 24, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Laurent Knauth < >>> laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> As for me, i assumed it was some tribute to the « Beat that bitch >>> with a bat » track, or some other reference everybody here would get except >>> me ! >>> > >>> >>> > >>> If not , his Max4Live patches names suggest that he has audio >>> under his skin, i mean his « wife » gets literally sequenced, broken, >>> convolved, twiddled, rushed, effected, doctored and... eventually « tranz ». >>> > >>> >>> > >>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> i guess i assumed that it was ironic in the sense that maybe he >>> is the wife and he makes beats >>> > >>>> i dunno >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> Clint Anderson >>> > >>>> Systems Engineer >>> > >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Baptiste Bacot < >>> baptiste.bacot@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more >>> appropriate. >>> > >>>>> Unfortunately, the mix and the production seem good, but I dont >>> want to spend much time listening to this guy’s music, because of that name. >>> > >>>>> The list seems terribly silent on that matter. What do you guys >>> and girls think about this « artist name »? I just want to hear from you : >>> do you find the alias legitimate, and if not, why? >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> Best, >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> BB >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> a écrit >>> : >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> "beat wife"?! >>> > >>>>> Really? >>> > >>>>> Dude needs to change his name now. >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> ________________________________ >>> > >>>>> From: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM >>> > >>>>> To: IDM >>> > >>>>> Subject: beatwife podcast >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ >>> > >>>>> Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag >>> > >>>>> www.orbmag.com >>> > >>>>> Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los >>> Angeles-based producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his >>> alias Beatwife. His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, >>> combined with his knowledge of audio technology, including his signature >>> software and modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s >>> distinctive sound. Beatwife released his … >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> Clint Anderson >>> > >>>>> Systems Engineer >>> > >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>> >>> > >> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> 22tape/jared dunne >> listen <http://22tape.com> >> > >

(SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted to make sure this got through.) There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain groups. historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's response. No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a person with this detestable name. What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our power to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the problem. maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence against them and seen what it does to their lives. VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now regarding this The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. It's not OK. and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does not help. imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. I just emailed this to his label... "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not funny. If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. please stop helping to normalize violence against women. THANK YOU! Peace."

dude. don’t be a self righteous dick.

quoted 58 lines On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted to make sure this got through.) > > There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain groups. > > > historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's response. > > > No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a person with this detestable name. > > > What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our power > to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. > > > 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the problem. > > > maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence against them and seen what it does to their lives. > > > VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. > > > 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. > > this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. > > > SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now regarding this > > > The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. > > It's not OK. > > > and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does not help. > > > imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. > > I just emailed this to his label... > > > "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. > > PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. > > Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not funny. > > If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. > > please stop helping to normalize violence against women. > > THANK YOU! Peace."

omg this is the longest thread ever on this list and all you're doing is illustrating why he picked such a 'controversial' name it's like goatwhore or something, you're selling albums to people who want to be all edgy and venetian snaresy

in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything as pathetic as this particular email thread. Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy shit. close yourself down immediately, nat hawks On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 87 lines dude. don’t be a self righteous dick.

> dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. > > > On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted > to make sure this got through.) > > There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain > groups. > > > historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and > open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's > response. > > > No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be > 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a > person with this detestable name. > > > What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing > violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide > crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our > power > to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. > > > 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, > unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to > know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the > problem. > > > maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a > highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence > against them and seen what it does to their lives. > > > VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. > > > 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. > > this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. > > > SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP > FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now > regarding this > > > The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. > > It's not OK. > > > and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled > against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does > not help. > > > imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion > happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a > female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. > > I just emailed this to his label... > > > "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE > on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. > > PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. > > Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not > funny. > > If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE > PROBLEM. > > please stop helping to normalize violence against women. > > THANK YOU! Peace." > > >

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Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would a child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and eventually shut up. On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 101 lines in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything as

> in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything as > pathetic as this particular email thread. > Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy shit. > close yourself down immediately, nat hawks > > On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: > >> dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. >> >> >> On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted >> to make sure this got through.) >> >> There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain >> groups. >> >> >> historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and >> open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's >> response. >> >> >> No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be >> 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a >> person with this detestable name. >> >> >> What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing >> violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide >> crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our >> power >> to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. >> >> >> 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, >> unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to >> know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the >> problem. >> >> >> maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a >> highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence >> against them and seen what it does to their lives. >> >> >> VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. >> >> >> 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. >> >> this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. >> >> >> SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON >> BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues >> now regarding this >> >> >> The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. >> >> It's not OK. >> >> >> and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled >> against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does >> not help. >> >> >> imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion >> happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a >> female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. >> >> I just emailed this to his label... >> >> >> "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE >> on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. >> >> PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. >> >> Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not >> funny. >> >> If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE >> PROBLEM. >> >> please stop helping to normalize violence against women. >> >> THANK YOU! Peace." >> >> >> > > > -- > ---------------------------------------- > not sent from an iDevice > ---------------------------------------- >

-- 22tape/jared dunne listen <http://22tape.com>

how about some cool music guys https://stuntrock.bandcamp.com/album/regret-instruction- manual-issue-one-questions-and-answers-for-the-insecure-youth On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:47 AM, 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 116 lines Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else

> Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else > they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would a > child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and > eventually shut up. > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: > >> in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything as >> pathetic as this particular email thread. >> Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy shit. >> close yourself down immediately, nat hawks >> >> On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. >>> >>> >>> On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted >>> to make sure this got through.) >>> >>> There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain >>> groups. >>> >>> >>> historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and >>> open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's >>> response. >>> >>> >>> No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be >>> 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a >>> person with this detestable name. >>> >>> >>> What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is >>> normalizing violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, >>> world-wide crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is >>> now in our power >>> to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. >>> >>> >>> 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, >>> unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to >>> know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the >>> problem. >>> >>> >>> maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a >>> highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence >>> against them and seen what it does to their lives. >>> >>> >>> VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. >>> >>> >>> 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. >>> >>> this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. >>> >>> >>> SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON >>> BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues >>> now regarding this >>> >>> >>> The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. >>> >>> It's not OK. >>> >>> >>> and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled >>> against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does >>> not help. >>> >>> >>> imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the >>> discussion happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i >>> was a female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to >>> @#$#$^#@. >>> >>> I just emailed this to his label... >>> >>> >>> "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE >>> on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. >>> >>> PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. >>> >>> Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not >>> funny. >>> >>> If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF >>> THE PROBLEM. >>> >>> please stop helping to normalize violence against women. >>> >>> THANK YOU! Peace." >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ---------------------------------------- >> not sent from an iDevice >> ---------------------------------------- >> > > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen <http://22tape.com> >

You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent). I think I'm caught up in what's going on here in the States and feeling very fired up. You're right, I do need to take a deep breath. So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives. I, personally, don't want violence against women to continue to be normalized and it makes me sad that artist names like this are still being used I'm also, again, disappointed that others don't seem to agree. Sure, I might have come on a little strong, but we need to call hate when we see it, I believe., love you all and thanks for hearing me out!!! ________________________________ From: 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:47 PM To: Zombiefly Cc: Juho Hietala; IDM List Subject: Re: beatwife podcast Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would a child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and eventually shut up. On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com<mailto:zombiefly@gmail.com>> wrote: in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything as pathetic as this particular email thread. Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy shit. close yourself down immediately, nat hawks On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com<mailto:hietala@gmail.com>> wrote: dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted to make sure this got through.) There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain groups. historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's response. No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a person with this detestable name. What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our power to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the problem. maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence against them and seen what it does to their lives. VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now regarding this The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. It's not OK. and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does not help. imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. I just emailed this to his label... "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not funny. If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. please stop helping to normalize violence against women. THANK YOU! Peace." -- ---------------------------------------- not sent from an iDevice ---------------------------------------- -- 22tape/jared dunne listen<http://22tape.com>

" So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives." No. no, it isn't doing that at all. You appear to have attached your own assumptions onto what it means. Next you'll be telling me that computer games are responsible for mass shootings in schools or some archaic shit. On 25 March 2018 at 17:56, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 150 lines You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent).

> You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent). > > > I think I'm caught up in what's going on here in the States and feeling > very fired up. > > > You're right, I do need to take a deep breath. > > > So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is > literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives. > > > I, personally, don't want violence against women to continue to be > normalized and it makes me sad that artist names like this are still being > used > > > I'm also, again, disappointed that others don't seem to agree. > > Sure, I might have come on a little strong, but we need to call hate when > we see it, I believe., > > > love you all and thanks for hearing me out!!! > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:47 PM > *To:* Zombiefly > *Cc:* Juho Hietala; IDM List > *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast > > Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else > they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would a > child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and > eventually shut up. > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: > > in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything as > pathetic as this particular email thread. > Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy shit. > close yourself down immediately, nat hawks > > On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: > > dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. > > > On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted > to make sure this got through.) > > There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain > groups. > > > historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and > open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's > response. > > > No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be > 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a > person with this detestable name. > > > What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing > violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide > crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our > power > to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. > > > 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, > unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to > know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the > problem. > > > maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a > highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence > against them and seen what it does to their lives. > > > VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. > > > 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. > > this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. > > > SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP > FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now > regarding this > > > The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. > > It's not OK. > > > and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled > against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does > not help. > > > imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion > happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a > female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. > > I just emailed this to his label... > > > "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE > on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. > > PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. > > Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not > funny. > > If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE > PROBLEM. > > please stop helping to normalize violence against women. > > THANK YOU! Peace." > > > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------- > not sent from an iDevice > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen <http://22tape.com> >

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Beating wives is sometimes erotic but always fun On Mon, 26 Mar 2018, 00:59 Zombiefly, <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 169 lines " So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is

> " So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is > literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives." > > No. no, it isn't doing that at all. You appear to have attached your own > assumptions onto what it means. > > Next you'll be telling me that computer games are responsible for mass > shootings in schools or some archaic shit. > > On 25 March 2018 at 17:56, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent). >> >> >> I think I'm caught up in what's going on here in the States and feeling >> very fired up. >> >> >> You're right, I do need to take a deep breath. >> >> >> So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is >> literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives. >> >> >> I, personally, don't want violence against women to continue to be >> normalized and it makes me sad that artist names like this are still being >> used >> >> >> I'm also, again, disappointed that others don't seem to agree. >> >> Sure, I might have come on a little strong, but we need to call hate when >> we see it, I believe., >> >> >> love you all and thanks for hearing me out!!! >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:47 PM >> *To:* Zombiefly >> *Cc:* Juho Hietala; IDM List >> *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast >> >> Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else >> they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would a >> child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and >> eventually shut up. >> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything as >> pathetic as this particular email thread. >> Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy shit. >> close yourself down immediately, nat hawks >> >> On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. >> >> >> On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted >> to make sure this got through.) >> >> There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain >> groups. >> >> >> historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and >> open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's >> response. >> >> >> No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be >> 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a >> person with this detestable name. >> >> >> What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing >> violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide >> crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our >> power >> to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. >> >> >> 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, >> unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to >> know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the >> problem. >> >> >> maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a >> highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence >> against them and seen what it does to their lives. >> >> >> VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. >> >> >> 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. >> >> this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. >> >> >> SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON >> BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues >> now regarding this >> >> >> The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. >> >> It's not OK. >> >> >> and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled >> against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does >> not help. >> >> >> imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion >> happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a >> female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. >> >> I just emailed this to his label... >> >> >> "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE >> on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. >> >> PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. >> >> Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not >> funny. >> >> If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE >> PROBLEM. >> >> please stop helping to normalize violence against women. >> >> THANK YOU! Peace." >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ---------------------------------------- >> not sent from an iDevice >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 22tape/jared dunne >> listen <http://22tape.com> >> > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------- > not sent from an iDevice > ---------------------------------------- >

I would argue this is the opposite of an archaic correlation assumption. This is a shift happening now. Everyday we are guilty and perpetuating male dominance over women. I am. I am trying to be more aware of it. When the name 'beatwife' came up in my email from the idmlist I had to say something. When you post something to a list it enters other's lives. 'beatwife' came into my life. I don't want to live in a world where people say nothing with this sort of garbage. I don't understand how the artist name 'beatwife' isn't normalizing abuse of women. It's saying 'ha! check out my clever name! it's a joke!' this joke isn't funny anymore. men's unchecked dominance must come to an end. one way is to call out ugly, hateful jokes and statements. I'm offended that everyone on this list isn't offended, honestly. I love all the women in my life. My daughter, wife, mom, students... We live in a world that has hated women. Hurt them. Used them and discarded them. It's old. That's the old world. We need to do better. Yes, it's a small deal thats some dope chose this name, but this is really about how people are reacting, because THAT has larger real world implications. It's the mindset. It is a big deal. ________________________________ From: Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:59 PM To: nat hawks Cc: 22tape; Juho Hietala; IDM List Subject: Re: beatwife podcast " So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives." No. no, it isn't doing that at all. You appear to have attached your own assumptions onto what it means. Next you'll be telling me that computer games are responsible for mass shootings in schools or some archaic shit. On 25 March 2018 at 17:56, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent). I think I'm caught up in what's going on here in the States and feeling very fired up. You're right, I do need to take a deep breath. So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives. I, personally, don't want violence against women to continue to be normalized and it makes me sad that artist names like this are still being used I'm also, again, disappointed that others don't seem to agree. Sure, I might have come on a little strong, but we need to call hate when we see it, I believe., love you all and thanks for hearing me out!!! ________________________________ From: 22tape <22tape@gmail.com<mailto:22tape@gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:47 PM To: Zombiefly Cc: Juho Hietala; IDM List Subject: Re: beatwife podcast Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would a child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and eventually shut up. On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com<mailto:zombiefly@gmail.com>> wrote: in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything as pathetic as this particular email thread. Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy shit. close yourself down immediately, nat hawks On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com<mailto:hietala@gmail.com>> wrote: dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted to make sure this got through.) There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain groups. historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's response. No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a person with this detestable name. What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our power to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the problem. maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence against them and seen what it does to their lives. VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now regarding this The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. It's not OK. and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does not help. imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. I just emailed this to his label... "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not funny. If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. please stop helping to normalize violence against women. THANK YOU! Peace." -- ---------------------------------------- not sent from an iDevice ---------------------------------------- -- 22tape/jared dunne listen<http://22tape.com> -- ---------------------------------------- not sent from an iDevice ----------------------------------------

Thank you nat! You are willing to discuss and reiterate, that's so cool. But again, what if beat, is just a beat in a rhythm? Why make that rhythm sad by hijacking its name? Well that's what I think anyway. Thank you for your stance!! It's noble, and I appreciate it a lot. but I believe we sometimes gotta be emotionally disattached. It's the only way we can change anything... Maybeat???? Big positive wave at ya On Sun, 25 Mar 2018, 18:56 nat hawks, <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 150 lines You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent).

> You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent). > > > I think I'm caught up in what's going on here in the States and feeling > very fired up. > > > You're right, I do need to take a deep breath. > > > So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is > literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives. > > > I, personally, don't want violence against women to continue to be > normalized and it makes me sad that artist names like this are still being > used > > > I'm also, again, disappointed that others don't seem to agree. > > Sure, I might have come on a little strong, but we need to call hate when > we see it, I believe., > > > love you all and thanks for hearing me out!!! > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:47 PM > *To:* Zombiefly > *Cc:* Juho Hietala; IDM List > *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast > > Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else > they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would a > child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and > eventually shut up. > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: > > in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything as > pathetic as this particular email thread. > Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy shit. > close yourself down immediately, nat hawks > > On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: > > dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. > > > On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted > to make sure this got through.) > > There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain > groups. > > > historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and > open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's > response. > > > No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be > 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a > person with this detestable name. > > > What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing > violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide > crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our > power > to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. > > > 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, > unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to > know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the > problem. > > > maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a > highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence > against them and seen what it does to their lives. > > > VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. > > > 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. > > this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. > > > SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP > FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now > regarding this > > > The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. > > It's not OK. > > > and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled > against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does > not help. > > > imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion > happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a > female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. > > I just emailed this to his label... > > > "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE > on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. > > PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. > > Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not > funny. > > If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE > PROBLEM. > > please stop helping to normalize violence against women. > > THANK YOU! Peace." > > > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------- > not sent from an iDevice > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen <http://22tape.com> >

You’re working off the wrong assumptions to start with. I think it’s a moronic name (does he do melodies at all cuz it’s all beats hurr durr) but I don’t go around assuming my opinion on it matters, because it doesn’t. Dude’s free to call himself whatever he wants and people are free to think whatever they want of it.

quoted 106 lines On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:56, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:56, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent). > > I think I'm caught up in what's going on here in the States and feeling very fired up. > > You're right, I do need to take a deep breath. > > So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives. > > I, personally, don't want violence against women to continue to be normalized and it makes me sad that artist names like this are still being used > > I'm also, again, disappointed that others don't seem to agree. > Sure, I might have come on a little strong, but we need to call hate when we see it, I believe., > > love you all and thanks for hearing me out!!! > > > From: 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:47 PM > To: Zombiefly > Cc: Juho Hietala; IDM List > Subject: Re: beatwife podcast > > Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would a child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and eventually shut up. > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com <mailto:zombiefly@gmail.com>> wrote: > in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything as pathetic as this particular email thread. > Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy shit. close yourself down immediately, nat hawks > > On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com <mailto:hietala@gmail.com>> wrote: > dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. > > >> On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com <mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: >> >> (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted to make sure this got through.) >> >> There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain groups. >> >> >> historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's response. >> >> >> No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a person with this detestable name. >> >> >> What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our power >> to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. >> >> >> 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the problem. >> >> >> maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence against them and seen what it does to their lives. >> >> >> VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. >> >> >> 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. >> >> this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. >> >> >> SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now regarding this >> >> >> The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. >> >> It's not OK. >> >> >> and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does not help. >> >> >> imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. >> >> I just emailed this to his label... >> >> >> "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. >> >> PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. >> >> Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not funny. >> >> If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. >> >> please stop helping to normalize violence against women. >> >> THANK YOU! Peace." > > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------- > not sent from an iDevice > ---------------------------------------- > > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen <http://22tape.com/>

Nat, for me, your sentiment is appreciated. I just think it's best not to give narcissistic provocateurs what they want-- our attention. It empowers them. On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:56 AM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 150 lines You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent).

> You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent). > > > I think I'm caught up in what's going on here in the States and feeling > very fired up. > > > You're right, I do need to take a deep breath. > > > So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is > literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives. > > > I, personally, don't want violence against women to continue to be > normalized and it makes me sad that artist names like this are still being > used > > > I'm also, again, disappointed that others don't seem to agree. > > Sure, I might have come on a little strong, but we need to call hate when > we see it, I believe., > > > love you all and thanks for hearing me out!!! > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:47 PM > *To:* Zombiefly > *Cc:* Juho Hietala; IDM List > *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast > > Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else > they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would a > child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and > eventually shut up. > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: > > in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything as > pathetic as this particular email thread. > Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy shit. > close yourself down immediately, nat hawks > > On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: > > dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. > > > On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted > to make sure this got through.) > > There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain > groups. > > > historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and > open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's > response. > > > No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be > 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a > person with this detestable name. > > > What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing > violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide > crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our > power > to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. > > > 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, > unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to > know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the > problem. > > > maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a > highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence > against them and seen what it does to their lives. > > > VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. > > > 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. > > this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. > > > SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP > FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now > regarding this > > > The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. > > It's not OK. > > > and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled > against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does > not help. > > > imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion > happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a > female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. > > I just emailed this to his label... > > > "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE > on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. > > PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. > > Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not > funny. > > If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE > PROBLEM. > > please stop helping to normalize violence against women. > > THANK YOU! Peace." > > > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------- > not sent from an iDevice > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen <http://22tape.com> >

-- 22tape/jared dunne listen <http://22tape.com>

Someone choosing to market their music by referencing domestic violence displays a callousness, immaturity and desperateness for attention that unfortunately is pretty common within "extreme" music and a sizable chunk of online behavior. I think it's worth pointing out and not supporting dudes like this, even if it upsets people who are invested in shielding such artists from critique. On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 1:03 PM, 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 163 lines Nat, for me, your sentiment is appreciated. I just think it's best not to

> Nat, for me, your sentiment is appreciated. I just think it's best not to > give narcissistic provocateurs what they want-- our attention. It empowers > them. > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:56 AM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent). >> >> >> I think I'm caught up in what's going on here in the States and feeling >> very fired up. >> >> >> You're right, I do need to take a deep breath. >> >> >> So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is >> literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives. >> >> >> I, personally, don't want violence against women to continue to be >> normalized and it makes me sad that artist names like this are still being >> used >> >> >> I'm also, again, disappointed that others don't seem to agree. >> >> Sure, I might have come on a little strong, but we need to call hate when >> we see it, I believe., >> >> >> love you all and thanks for hearing me out!!! >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:47 PM >> *To:* Zombiefly >> *Cc:* Juho Hietala; IDM List >> *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast >> >> Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else >> they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would a >> child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and >> eventually shut up. >> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything as >> pathetic as this particular email thread. >> Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy shit. >> close yourself down immediately, nat hawks >> >> On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. >> >> >> On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted >> to make sure this got through.) >> >> There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain >> groups. >> >> >> historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and >> open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's >> response. >> >> >> No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be >> 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a >> person with this detestable name. >> >> >> What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing >> violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide >> crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our >> power >> to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. >> >> >> 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, >> unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to >> know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the >> problem. >> >> >> maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a >> highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence >> against them and seen what it does to their lives. >> >> >> VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. >> >> >> 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. >> >> this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. >> >> >> SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON >> BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues >> now regarding this >> >> >> The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. >> >> It's not OK. >> >> >> and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled >> against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does >> not help. >> >> >> imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion >> happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a >> female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. >> >> I just emailed this to his label... >> >> >> "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE >> on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. >> >> PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. >> >> Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not >> funny. >> >> If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE >> PROBLEM. >> >> please stop helping to normalize violence against women. >> >> THANK YOU! Peace." >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ---------------------------------------- >> not sent from an iDevice >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 22tape/jared dunne >> listen <http://22tape.com> >> > > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen <http://22tape.com> >

there’s also a line between saying “well that’s distasteful” and digging around for outrage to start an online campaign to harass someone to change their name

quoted 123 lines On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:22, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:22, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com> wrote: > > Someone choosing to market their music by referencing domestic violence displays a callousness, immaturity and desperateness for attention that unfortunately is pretty common within "extreme" music and a sizable chunk of online behavior. > > I think it's worth pointing out and not supporting dudes like this, even if it upsets people who are invested in shielding such artists from critique. > > > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 1:03 PM, 22tape <22tape@gmail.com <mailto:22tape@gmail.com>> wrote: > Nat, for me, your sentiment is appreciated. I just think it's best not to give narcissistic provocateurs what they want-- our attention. It empowers them. > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:56 AM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com <mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: > You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent). > > I think I'm caught up in what's going on here in the States and feeling very fired up. > > You're right, I do need to take a deep breath. > > So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives. > > I, personally, don't want violence against women to continue to be normalized and it makes me sad that artist names like this are still being used > > I'm also, again, disappointed that others don't seem to agree. > Sure, I might have come on a little strong, but we need to call hate when we see it, I believe., > > love you all and thanks for hearing me out!!! > > > From: 22tape <22tape@gmail.com <mailto:22tape@gmail.com>> > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:47 PM > To: Zombiefly > Cc: Juho Hietala; IDM List > Subject: Re: beatwife podcast > > Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would a child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and eventually shut up. > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com <mailto:zombiefly@gmail.com>> wrote: > in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything as pathetic as this particular email thread. > Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy shit. close yourself down immediately, nat hawks > > On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com <mailto:hietala@gmail.com>> wrote: > dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. > > >> On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com <mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: >> >> (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted to make sure this got through.) >> >> There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain groups. >> >> >> historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's response. >> >> >> No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a person with this detestable name. >> >> >> What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our power >> to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. >> >> >> 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the problem. >> >> >> maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence against them and seen what it does to their lives. >> >> >> VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. >> >> >> 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. >> >> this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. >> >> >> SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now regarding this >> >> >> The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. >> >> It's not OK. >> >> >> and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does not help. >> >> >> imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. >> >> I just emailed this to his label... >> >> >> "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. >> >> PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. >> >> Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not funny. >> >> If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. >> >> please stop helping to normalize violence against women. >> >> THANK YOU! Peace." > > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------- > not sent from an iDevice > ---------------------------------------- > > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen <http://22tape.com/> > > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen <http://22tape.com/> >

but have you heard his album cornbrail acid? Just imagine he's called beatcock instead? ;) On 25 March 2018 at 18:27, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 180 lines there’s also a line between saying “well that’s distasteful” and digging

> there’s also a line between saying “well that’s distasteful” and digging > around for outrage to start an online campaign to harass someone to change > their name > > > On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:22, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com> wrote: > > Someone choosing to market their music by referencing domestic violence > displays a callousness, immaturity and desperateness for attention that > unfortunately is pretty common within "extreme" music and a sizable chunk > of online behavior. > > I think it's worth pointing out and not supporting dudes like this, even > if it upsets people who are invested in shielding such artists from > critique. > > > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 1:03 PM, 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Nat, for me, your sentiment is appreciated. I just think it's best not to >> give narcissistic provocateurs what they want-- our attention. It empowers >> them. >> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:56 AM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent). >>> >>> I think I'm caught up in what's going on here in the States and feeling >>> very fired up. >>> >>> You're right, I do need to take a deep breath. >>> >>> So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is >>> literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives. >>> >>> I, personally, don't want violence against women to continue to be >>> normalized and it makes me sad that artist names like this are still being >>> used >>> >>> I'm also, again, disappointed that others don't seem to agree. >>> Sure, I might have come on a little strong, but we need to call hate >>> when we see it, I believe., >>> >>> love you all and thanks for hearing me out!!! >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:47 PM >>> *To:* Zombiefly >>> *Cc:* Juho Hietala; IDM List >>> *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast >>> >>> Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else >>> they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would >>> a child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and >>> eventually shut up. >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything >>> as pathetic as this particular email thread. >>> Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy >>> shit. close yourself down immediately, nat hawks >>> >>> On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. >>> >>> >>> On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted >>> to make sure this got through.) >>> >>> There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain >>> groups. >>> >>> >>> historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and >>> open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's >>> response. >>> >>> >>> No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be >>> 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a >>> person with this detestable name. >>> >>> >>> What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is >>> normalizing violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, >>> world-wide crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is >>> now in our power >>> to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. >>> >>> >>> 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, >>> unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to >>> know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the >>> problem. >>> >>> >>> maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a >>> highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence >>> against them and seen what it does to their lives. >>> >>> >>> VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. >>> >>> >>> 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. >>> >>> this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. >>> >>> >>> SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON >>> BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues >>> now regarding this >>> >>> >>> The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. >>> >>> It's not OK. >>> >>> >>> and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled >>> against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does >>> not help. >>> >>> >>> imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the >>> discussion happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i >>> was a female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to >>> @#$#$^#@. >>> >>> I just emailed this to his label... >>> >>> >>> "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE >>> on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. >>> >>> PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. >>> >>> Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not >>> funny. >>> >>> If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF >>> THE PROBLEM. >>> >>> please stop helping to normalize violence against women. >>> >>> THANK YOU! Peace." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> not sent from an iDevice >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 22tape/jared dunne >>> listen <http://22tape.com/> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> 22tape/jared dunne >> listen <http://22tape.com/> >> > > >

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What Nat is doing is classic virtue-signalling: "On Facebook and other forms of social media, therefore, you signal your so-called virtue, telling everyone how tolerant, open and compassionate you are, and wait for the likes to accumulate. Leave aside that telling people you're virtuous isn't a virtue, it's self-promotion. Virtue signalling is not virtue. Virtue signalling, is, quite possibly, our commonest vice" Dr. Norman Doidge Not a single one of us here believes its okay to beat their wives or any woman. But we are of the artistic mindset and many of us make beats. Beatwife refers to making beats. Or perhaps we should ban the word "beat" since someone who has experienced beatings will be traumatized at the word "beat"? Slippery slope people. ________________________________ From: 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 1:03 PM To: nat hawks Cc: Zombiefly; Juho Hietala; IDM List Subject: Re: beatwife podcast Nat, for me, your sentiment is appreciated. I just think it's best not to give narcissistic provocateurs what they want-- our attention. It empowers them. On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:56 AM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent). I think I'm caught up in what's going on here in the States and feeling very fired up. You're right, I do need to take a deep breath. So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives. I, personally, don't want violence against women to continue to be normalized and it makes me sad that artist names like this are still being used I'm also, again, disappointed that others don't seem to agree. Sure, I might have come on a little strong, but we need to call hate when we see it, I believe., love you all and thanks for hearing me out!!! ________________________________ From: 22tape <22tape@gmail.com<mailto:22tape@gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:47 PM To: Zombiefly Cc: Juho Hietala; IDM List Subject: Re: beatwife podcast Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would a child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and eventually shut up. On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com<mailto:zombiefly@gmail.com>> wrote: in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything as pathetic as this particular email thread. Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy shit. close yourself down immediately, nat hawks On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com<mailto:hietala@gmail.com>> wrote: dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted to make sure this got through.) There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain groups. historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's response. No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a person with this detestable name. What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our power to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the problem. maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence against them and seen what it does to their lives. VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now regarding this The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. It's not OK. and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does not help. imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. I just emailed this to his label... "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not funny. If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. please stop helping to normalize violence against women. THANK YOU! Peace." -- ---------------------------------------- not sent from an iDevice ---------------------------------------- -- 22tape/jared dunne listen<http://22tape.com> -- 22tape/jared dunne listen<http://22tape.com>

Sure, i'll take that. Do you not see anything wrong with the artist title 'beatwife'? Seriously? I work with students on a daily basis who have domestic violence in their home on a nearly daily basis. I work with students on a daily basis who are constant victims themselves of domestic violence. normalizing violence against women is unacceptable. completely. it's disgusting. maybe your personal sphere has not been touched by violence against women. THEN YOU ARE PRIVILEGED!!!! (i'm also in this boat) do you not see that? most families in this world have been touched by domestic violence. hell, something like 1-in-5 women in this world have been raped. 'beatwife' ...really? it's 2018. we can do better. we need to do better. giving artistic license with hate like this makes my stomach turn. this artist name is making light of horrible reality for so many. being a white male myself, i haven't been on the receiving end of this sort of thing. but many are. it's time for us all to grow up a little, and consider those that deserve better. the privilege party is over. ________________________________ From: Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:40 PM To: IDM List Subject: Re: beatwife podcast dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted to make sure this got through.) There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain groups. historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's response. No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a person with this detestable name. What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our power to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the problem. maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence against them and seen what it does to their lives. VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now regarding this The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. It's not OK. and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does not help. imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. I just emailed this to his label... "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not funny. If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. please stop helping to normalize violence against women. THANK YOU! Peace."

he is the wife of beats. it's not an instruction ffs. Regardless, who the hell cares. god only knows what happens when you discover anklepants o_O On 25 March 2018 at 17:50, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 142 lines Sure, i'll take that.

> Sure, i'll take that. > > Do you not see anything wrong with the artist title 'beatwife'? > > Seriously? > > > I work with students on a daily basis who have domestic violence in their > home on a nearly daily basis. > > I work with students on a daily basis who are constant victims themselves > of domestic violence. > > > normalizing violence against women is unacceptable. completely. it's > disgusting. > > maybe your personal sphere has not been touched by violence against women. > > THEN YOU ARE PRIVILEGED!!!! (i'm also in this boat) > > do you not see that? > > most families in this world have been touched by domestic violence. hell, > something like 1-in-5 women in this world have been raped. > > > 'beatwife' ...really? it's 2018. > > > we can do better. we need to do better. > > giving artistic license with hate like this makes my stomach turn. > > > this artist name is making light of horrible reality for so many. > > being a white male myself, i haven't been on the receiving end of this > sort of thing. but many are. > > > it's time for us all to grow up a little, and consider those that deserve > better. > > the privilege party is over. > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:40 PM > *To:* IDM List > *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast > > dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. > > > On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted > to make sure this got through.) > > There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain > groups. > > > historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and > open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's > response. > > > No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be > 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a > person with this detestable name. > > > What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing > violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide > crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our > power > to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. > > > 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, > unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to > know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the > problem. > > > maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a > highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence > against them and seen what it does to their lives. > > > VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. > > > 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. > > this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. > > > SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP > FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now > regarding this > > > The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. > > It's not OK. > > > and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled > against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does > not help. > > > imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion > happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a > female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. > > I just emailed this to his label... > > > "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE > on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. > > PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. > > Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not > funny. > > If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE > PROBLEM. > > please stop helping to normalize violence against women. > > THANK YOU! Peace." > > >

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why do you assume things so much nat

quoted 94 lines On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:50, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:50, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Sure, i'll take that. > Do you not see anything wrong with the artist title 'beatwife'? > Seriously? > > I work with students on a daily basis who have domestic violence in their home on a nearly daily basis. > I work with students on a daily basis who are constant victims themselves of domestic violence. > > normalizing violence against women is unacceptable. completely. it's disgusting. > maybe your personal sphere has not been touched by violence against women. > THEN YOU ARE PRIVILEGED!!!! (i'm also in this boat) > do you not see that? > most families in this world have been touched by domestic violence. hell, something like 1-in-5 women in this world have been raped. > > 'beatwife' ...really? it's 2018. > > we can do better. we need to do better. > giving artistic license with hate like this makes my stomach turn. > > this artist name is making light of horrible reality for so many. > being a white male myself, i haven't been on the receiving end of this sort of thing. but many are. > > it's time for us all to grow up a little, and consider those that deserve better. > the privilege party is over. > > > > From: Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:40 PM > To: IDM List > Subject: Re: beatwife podcast > > dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. > > >> On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com <mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: >> >> (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted to make sure this got through.) >> >> There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain groups. >> >> >> historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's response. >> >> >> No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a person with this detestable name. >> >> >> What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our power >> to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. >> >> >> 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the problem. >> >> >> maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence against them and seen what it does to their lives. >> >> >> VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. >> >> >> 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. >> >> this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. >> >> >> SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now regarding this >> >> >> The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. >> >> It's not OK. >> >> >> and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does not help. >> >> >> imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. >> >> I just emailed this to his label... >> >> >> "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. >> >> PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. >> >> Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not funny. >> >> If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. >> >> please stop helping to normalize violence against women. >> >> THANK YOU! Peace."

thanks for this. couldn’t agree more. Sent from my iPhone

quoted 59 lines On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted to make sure this got through.) > > There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain groups. > > > historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's response. > > > No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a person with this detestable name. > > > What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our power > to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. > > > 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the problem. > > > maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence against them and seen what it does to their lives. > > > VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. > > > 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. > > this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. > > > SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now regarding this > > > The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. > > It's not OK. > > > and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does not help. > > > imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. > > I just emailed this to his label... > > > "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. > > PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. > > Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not funny. > > If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. > > please stop helping to normalize violence against women. > > THANK YOU! Peace." >

Why does nat hawkes alternate between apologizing and continuing to say the things he was apologizing for? -- Marcus Kreitzer On Mar 25, 2018, 9:29 PM -0400, brit walker <bwalker.sd@gmail.com>, wrote:

quoted 63 lines thanks for this. couldn’t agree more.

> thanks for this. couldn’t agree more. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted to make sure this got through.) > > > > There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain groups. > > > > > > historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's response. > > > > > > No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a person with this detestable name. > > > > > > What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing violence against women.  Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our power > >  to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. > > > > > > 'hang black'  'kill fags'  ... ha ha... no.  stupid, ignorant, unacceptable.  yes, someone dope can use this name, sure.  but they need to know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the problem. > > > > > > maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence against them and seen what it does to their lives. > > > > > > VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. > > > > > > 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. > > > > this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. > > > > > > SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist.  hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT.  I'm going to contact both avenues now regarding this > > > > > > The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. > > > > It's not OK. > > > > > > and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled against being a boy's club also for way too long...  shit like this does not help. > > > > > > imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion happening here.  imagine how unsupported you would feel.  if i was a female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. > > > > I just emailed this to his label... > > > > > > "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE on your roster.  This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. > > > > PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. > > > > Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not funny. > > > > If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. > > > > please stop helping to normalize violence against women. > > > > THANK YOU!  Peace." > >

I'm trying to not come off like a total ass (assuredly too late for that). You're right. I should stop apologizing. BeatWife is a disgusting name and anyone who hasn't spoken out or defended that stance should be ashamed. Good night. :) ________________________________ From: Marcus Kreitzer <markreitzer@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 9:50 PM To: nat hawks; brit walker Cc: Basma O; Clint Anderson; 22tape; J L; Mauro; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: beatwife podcast Why does nat hawkes alternate between apologizing and continuing to say the things he was apologizing for? -- Marcus Kreitzer On Mar 25, 2018, 9:29 PM -0400, brit walker <bwalker.sd@gmail.com>, wrote: thanks for this. couldn’t agree more. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted to make sure this got through.) There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain groups. historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's response. No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a person with this detestable name. What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our power to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the problem. maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence against them and seen what it does to their lives. VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now regarding this The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. It's not OK. and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does not help. imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. I just emailed this to his label... "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not funny. If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. please stop helping to normalize violence against women. THANK YOU! Peace."

Marcus, but that isn't what we're talking about really, is it? What do you think about the artist name "Beatwife," Marcus? ________________________________ From: Marcus Kreitzer <markreitzer@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 9:50 PM To: nat hawks; brit walker Cc: Basma O; Clint Anderson; 22tape; J L; Mauro; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: beatwife podcast Why does nat hawkes alternate between apologizing and continuing to say the things he was apologizing for? -- Marcus Kreitzer On Mar 25, 2018, 9:29 PM -0400, brit walker <bwalker.sd@gmail.com>, wrote: thanks for this. couldn’t agree more. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted to make sure this got through.) There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain groups. historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's response. No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a person with this detestable name. What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our power to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the problem. maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence against them and seen what it does to their lives. VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now regarding this The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. It's not OK. and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does not help. imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. I just emailed this to his label... "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not funny. If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. please stop helping to normalize violence against women. THANK YOU! Peace."

Holy shit, its 2018 and you fuckers are blowing up email that goes to a phone over this bullshit??? On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:20 PM nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 129 lines Marcus, but that isn't what we're talking about really, is it?

> Marcus, but that isn't what we're talking about really, is it? > > What do you think about the artist name "Beatwife," Marcus? > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Marcus Kreitzer <markreitzer@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 9:50 PM > *To:* nat hawks; brit walker > *Cc:* Basma O; Clint Anderson; 22tape; J L; Mauro; idm@hyperreal.org > *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast > > Why does nat hawkes alternate between apologizing and continuing to say > the things he was apologizing for? > > -- > Marcus Kreitzer > > On Mar 25, 2018, 9:29 PM -0400, brit walker <bwalker.sd@gmail.com>, wrote: > > thanks for this. couldn’t agree more. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted > to make sure this got through.) > > > There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain > groups. > > > > historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and > open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's > response. > > > > No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be > 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a > person with this detestable name. > > > > What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing > violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide > crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our > power > > to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. > > > > 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, > unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to > know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the > problem. > > > > maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a > highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence > against them and seen what it does to their lives. > > > > VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. > > > > 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. > > > this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. > > > > SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP > FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now > regarding this > > > > The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. > > > It's not OK. > > > > and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled > against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does > not help. > > > > imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion > happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a > female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. > > > I just emailed this to his label... > > > > "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE > on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. > > > PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. > > > Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not > funny. > > > If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE > PROBLEM. > > > please stop helping to normalize violence against women. > > > THANK YOU! Peace." > >

Holy shit, it's 2018 and you fuckers are using an email list to have a discussion? WTF is wrong with you? Seriously, though. If you don't want to get email from an email list, don't be on an email list. On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 10:24 PM, Morgan Failure <krackrocksteady@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 135 lines Holy shit, its 2018 and you fuckers are blowing up email that goes to a

> Holy shit, its 2018 and you fuckers are blowing up email that goes to a > phone over this bullshit??? > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:20 PM nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Marcus, but that isn't what we're talking about really, is it? >> >> What do you think about the artist name "Beatwife," Marcus? >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Marcus Kreitzer <markreitzer@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 9:50 PM >> *To:* nat hawks; brit walker >> *Cc:* Basma O; Clint Anderson; 22tape; J L; Mauro; idm@hyperreal.org >> *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast >> >> Why does nat hawkes alternate between apologizing and continuing to say >> the things he was apologizing for? >> >> -- >> Marcus Kreitzer >> >> On Mar 25, 2018, 9:29 PM -0400, brit walker <bwalker.sd@gmail.com>, >> wrote: >> >> thanks for this. couldn’t agree more. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted >> to make sure this got through.) >> >> >> There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain >> groups. >> >> >> >> historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and >> open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's >> response. >> >> >> >> No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be >> 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a >> person with this detestable name. >> >> >> >> What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing >> violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide >> crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our >> power >> >> to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. >> >> >> >> 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, >> unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to >> know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the >> problem. >> >> >> >> maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a >> highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence >> against them and seen what it does to their lives. >> >> >> >> VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. >> >> >> >> 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. >> >> >> this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. >> >> >> >> SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON >> BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues >> now regarding this >> >> >> >> The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. >> >> >> It's not OK. >> >> >> >> and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled >> against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does >> not help. >> >> >> >> imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion >> happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a >> female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. >> >> >> I just emailed this to his label... >> >> >> >> "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE >> on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. >> >> >> PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. >> >> >> Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not >> funny. >> >> >> If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE >> PROBLEM. >> >> >> please stop helping to normalize violence against women. >> >> >> THANK YOU! Peace." >> >>

@nat Well I used to date a girl in college, and we’d go to each other’s houses late at night and all that. Sometimes it would be well after dark, but neither one of us minded walking alone in a virtually crime-free college town. All was good. Cut to the next year, we’re no longer seeing each other and I had just started seeing someone else. One night when she was supposed to come over I asked if she was walking to my place or if she wanted me to come pick her up, and she got mad at me for even thinking she would walk across town at night, stating something like “you have no idea what it’s like to be a girl walking alone at night. It’s dangerous.” I told her that I’ve had plenty of female friends who had no problem doing that sort of thing and all she had to say to that was that they were idiots. 🤷‍♂️ Perhaps only slightly related, but this same girl tried to compliment me (I guess?) by telling me that I’m not white (I am) because I’m Cuban (there were black slaves owned by white people in Cuba), and that I was appropriating her culture by burning incense (basically every culture in human history has used incense). I guess the point is that people have different ideas of reality depending on the stories they subscribe to. I know some women who wouldn’t give a damn about the name beatwife and some that would flip out like you are. Maybe the ones that don’t care are privileged and have never been assaulted or whatever but I’m not so sure those things are correlated. It seems to me that a lot of the time when somebody gets on their soapbox and preaches about social issues that they’re doing it more for themselves than anyone else. As for my opinion, the name seems a bit distasteful but so be it. If you don’t like him don’t support him, but I think most reasonable people, victims of violence or not, wouldn’t get overly miffed about the name of a relatively esoteric musician. Lastly, I’ll reiterate what it seems like some people are trying to say: We don’t need to be told what to think by some self righteous ideologue, and every time you backpedal and apologize you come back looking more slimy and manipulative than you did before. -- Marcus Kreitzer

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My apologies if that sent twice. I got an error from the mailer daemon the first time -- Marcus Kreitzer On Mar 26, 2018, 1:37 AM -0400, Marcus Kreitzer <markreitzer@gmail.com>, wrote:

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> @nat > Well I used to date a girl in college, and we’d go to each other’s houses late at night and all that. Sometimes it would be well after dark, but neither one of us minded walking alone in a virtually crime-free college town. All was good. > > Cut to the next year, we’re no longer seeing each other and I had just started seeing someone else. One night when she was supposed to come over I asked if she was walking to my place or if she wanted me to come pick her up, and she got mad at me for even thinking she would walk across town at night, stating something like “you have no idea what it’s like to be a girl walking alone at night. It’s dangerous.” I told her that I’ve had plenty of female friends who had no problem doing that sort of thing and all she had to say to that was that they were idiots. 🤷‍♂️ > > Perhaps only slightly related, but this same girl tried to compliment me (I guess?) by telling me that I’m not white (I am) because I’m Cuban (there were black slaves owned by white people in Cuba), and that I was appropriating her culture by burning incense (basically every culture in human history has used incense). > > I guess the point is that people have different ideas of reality depending on the stories they subscribe to. I know some women who wouldn’t give a damn about the name beatwife and some that would flip out like you are. Maybe the ones that don’t care are privileged and have never been assaulted or whatever but I’m not so sure those things are correlated. > > It seems to me that a lot of the time when somebody gets on their soapbox and preaches about social issues that they’re doing it more for themselves than anyone else. > > As for my opinion, the name seems a bit distasteful but so be it. If you don’t like him don’t support him, but I think most reasonable people, victims of violence or not, wouldn’t get overly miffed about the name of a relatively esoteric musician. > > Lastly, I’ll reiterate what it seems like some people are trying to say: > > We don’t need to be told what to think by some self righteous ideologue, and every time you backpedal and apologize you come back looking more slimy and manipulative than you did before. > > -- > Marcus Kreitzer > > > > >

Nat, I think your reaction just highlighted the general mindset people have in the US. I have the feeling that your country is turning into an aseptic boring world because nobody wont say anything cause everybody gets easily chocked and outraged and triggered. The way we see it from here (europe, france, living in Paris) is that all the technology surrounding us gave us a voice, a way to be heard. And unfortunately, when everybody gives their opinion, you just realise that people won't make effort on themselves, they don't blame themselves anymore, it's always the others that have to change. When you dislike something, instead of trying to understand the thing/deal with it, you just say it's bad and it must be change. Well believe me, this mindset is just the best way to have a country full of entitled pricks that would never question themselves and would totaly freak out in front of adversity (life is not a piece of cake, as a reminder) So i agree we have to be more tolerant, we have to take care about each other. But don't let ourselves become weak people that can't overcome challenge and are afraid of even trying to understanding why we are so easily triggered now. B. ________________________________ De : Marcus Kreitzer <markreitzer@gmail.com> Envoyé : lundi 26 mars 2018 07:43 À : brit walker; nat hawks Cc : Basma O; Clint Anderson; 22tape; J L; Mauro; idm@hyperreal.org Objet : Re: beatwife podcast My apologies if that sent twice. I got an error from the mailer daemon the first time -- Marcus Kreitzer On Mar 26, 2018, 1:37 AM -0400, Marcus Kreitzer <markreitzer@gmail.com>, wrote: @nat Well I used to date a girl in college, and we’d go to each other’s houses late at night and all that. Sometimes it would be well after dark, but neither one of us minded walking alone in a virtually crime-free college town. All was good. Cut to the next year, we’re no longer seeing each other and I had just started seeing someone else. One night when she was supposed to come over I asked if she was walking to my place or if she wanted me to come pick her up, and she got mad at me for even thinking she would walk across town at night, stating something like “you have no idea what it’s like to be a girl walking alone at night. It’s dangerous.” I told her that I’ve had plenty of female friends who had no problem doing that sort of thing and all she had to say to that was that they were idiots. 🤷‍♂️ Perhaps only slightly related, but this same girl tried to compliment me (I guess?) by telling me that I’m not white (I am) because I’m Cuban (there were black slaves owned by white people in Cuba), and that I was appropriating her culture by burning incense (basically every culture in human history has used incense). I guess the point is that people have different ideas of reality depending on the stories they subscribe to. I know some women who wouldn’t give a damn about the name beatwife and some that would flip out like you are. Maybe the ones that don’t care are privileged and have never been assaulted or whatever but I’m not so sure those things are correlated. It seems to me that a lot of the time when somebody gets on their soapbox and preaches about social issues that they’re doing it more for themselves than anyone else. As for my opinion, the name seems a bit distasteful but so be it. If you don’t like him don’t support him, but I think most reasonable people, victims of violence or not, wouldn’t get overly miffed about the name of a relatively esoteric musician. Lastly, I’ll reiterate what it seems like some people are trying to say: We don’t need to be told what to think by some self righteous ideologue, and every time you backpedal and apologize you come back looking more slimy and manipulative than you did before. -- Marcus Kreitzer

Ok i just saw all the other threads ahah my bad let's talk about music^^ ________________________________ De : Da Beber <superdezzz@hotmail.com> Envoyé : mercredi 28 mars 2018 11:57 À : Marcus Kreitzer; brit walker; nat hawks Cc : Basma O; Clint Anderson; 22tape; J L; Mauro; idm@hyperreal.org Objet : RE: beatwife podcast Nat, I think your reaction just highlighted the general mindset people have in the US. I have the feeling that your country is turning into an aseptic boring world because nobody wont say anything cause everybody gets easily chocked and outraged and triggered. The way we see it from here (europe, france, living in Paris) is that all the technology surrounding us gave us a voice, a way to be heard. And unfortunately, when everybody gives their opinion, you just realise that people won't make effort on themselves, they don't blame themselves anymore, it's always the others that have to change. When you dislike something, instead of trying to understand the thing/deal with it, you just say it's bad and it must be change. Well believe me, this mindset is just the best way to have a country full of entitled pricks that would never question themselves and would totaly freak out in front of adversity (life is not a piece of cake, as a reminder) So i agree we have to be more tolerant, we have to take care about each other. But don't let ourselves become weak people that can't overcome challenge and are afraid of even trying to understanding why we are so easily triggered now. B. ________________________________ De : Marcus Kreitzer <markreitzer@gmail.com> Envoyé : lundi 26 mars 2018 07:43 À : brit walker; nat hawks Cc : Basma O; Clint Anderson; 22tape; J L; Mauro; idm@hyperreal.org Objet : Re: beatwife podcast My apologies if that sent twice. I got an error from the mailer daemon the first time -- Marcus Kreitzer On Mar 26, 2018, 1:37 AM -0400, Marcus Kreitzer <markreitzer@gmail.com>, wrote: @nat Well I used to date a girl in college, and we’d go to each other’s houses late at night and all that. Sometimes it would be well after dark, but neither one of us minded walking alone in a virtually crime-free college town. All was good. Cut to the next year, we’re no longer seeing each other and I had just started seeing someone else. One night when she was supposed to come over I asked if she was walking to my place or if she wanted me to come pick her up, and she got mad at me for even thinking she would walk across town at night, stating something like “you have no idea what it’s like to be a girl walking alone at night. It’s dangerous.” I told her that I’ve had plenty of female friends who had no problem doing that sort of thing and all she had to say to that was that they were idiots. 🤷‍♂️ Perhaps only slightly related, but this same girl tried to compliment me (I guess?) by telling me that I’m not white (I am) because I’m Cuban (there were black slaves owned by white people in Cuba), and that I was appropriating her culture by burning incense (basically every culture in human history has used incense). I guess the point is that people have different ideas of reality depending on the stories they subscribe to. I know some women who wouldn’t give a damn about the name beatwife and some that would flip out like you are. Maybe the ones that don’t care are privileged and have never been assaulted or whatever but I’m not so sure those things are correlated. It seems to me that a lot of the time when somebody gets on their soapbox and preaches about social issues that they’re doing it more for themselves than anyone else. As for my opinion, the name seems a bit distasteful but so be it. If you don’t like him don’t support him, but I think most reasonable people, victims of violence or not, wouldn’t get overly miffed about the name of a relatively esoteric musician. Lastly, I’ll reiterate what it seems like some people are trying to say: We don’t need to be told what to think by some self righteous ideologue, and every time you backpedal and apologize you come back looking more slimy and manipulative than you did before. -- Marcus Kreitzer

Prick Smasher has a real good new album out

quoted 95 lines Ok i just saw all the other threads ahah my bad let's talk about music^^

> Ok i just saw all the other threads ahah my bad let's talk about music^^ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *De :* Da Beber <superdezzz@hotmail.com> > *Envoyé :* mercredi 28 mars 2018 11:57 > *À :* Marcus Kreitzer; brit walker; nat hawks > *Cc :* Basma O; Clint Anderson; 22tape; J L; Mauro; idm@hyperreal.org > *Objet :* RE: beatwife podcast > Nat, I think your reaction just highlighted the general mindset people > have in the US. > > I have the feeling that your country is turning into an aseptic boring > world because nobody wont say anything cause everybody gets easily > chocked and outraged and triggered. > > The way we see it from here (europe, france, living in Paris) is that > all the technology surrounding us gave us a voice, a way to be heard. > And unfortunately, when everybody gives their opinion, you just > realise that people won't make effort on themselves, they don't blame > themselves anymore, it's always the others that have to change. When > you dislike something, instead of trying to understand the > thing/deal with it, you just say it's bad and it must be change. > > Well believe me, this mindset is just the best way to have a country > full of entitled pricks that would never question themselves and would > totaly freak out in front of adversity (life is not a piece of cake, > as a reminder) > > So i agree we have to be more tolerant, we have to take care about > each other. But don't let ourselves become weak people that can't > overcome challenge and are afraid of even trying to understanding why > we are so easily triggered now. > > B. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *De :* Marcus Kreitzer <markreitzer@gmail.com> > *Envoyé :* lundi 26 mars 2018 07:43 > *À :* brit walker; nat hawks > *Cc :* Basma O; Clint Anderson; 22tape; J L; Mauro; idm@hyperreal.org > *Objet :* Re: beatwife podcast > My apologies if that sent twice. I got an error from the mailer daemon > the first time > > -- > Marcus Kreitzer > > On Mar 26, 2018, 1:37 AM -0400, Marcus Kreitzer > <markreitzer@gmail.com>, wrote: >> @nat >> Well I used to date a girl in college, and we’d go to each other’s >> houses late at night and all that. Sometimes it would be well after >> dark, but neither one of us minded walking alone in a virtually >> crime-free college town. All was good. >> >> Cut to the next year, we’re no longer seeing each other and I had >> just started seeing someone else. One night when she was supposed to >> come over I asked if she was walking to my place or if she wanted me >> to come pick her up, and she got mad at me for even thinking she >> would walk across town at night, stating something like “you have no >> idea what it’s like to be a girl walking alone at night. It’s >> dangerous.” I told her that I’ve had plenty of female friends who had >> no problem doing that sort of thing and all she had to say to that >> was that they were idiots. 🤷‍♂️ >> >> Perhaps only slightly related, but this same girl tried to compliment >> me (I guess?) by telling me that I’m not white (I am) because I’m >> Cuban (there were black slaves owned by white people in Cuba), and >> that I was appropriating her culture by burning incense (basically >> every culture in human history has used incense). >> >> I guess the point is that people have different ideas of reality >> depending on the stories they subscribe to. I know some women who >> wouldn’t give a damn about the name beatwife and some that would flip >> out like you are. Maybe the ones that don’t care are privileged and >> have never been assaulted or whatever but I’m not so sure those >> things are correlated. >> >> It seems to me that a lot of the time when somebody gets on their >> soapbox and preaches about social issues that they’re doing it more >> for themselves than anyone else. >> >> As for my opinion, the name seems a bit distasteful but so be it. If >> you don’t like him don’t support him, but I think most reasonable >> people, victims of violence or not, wouldn’t get overly miffed about >> the name of a relatively esoteric musician. >> >> Lastly, I’ll reiterate what it seems like some people are trying to say: >> >> We don’t need to be told what to think by some self righteous >> ideologue, and every time you backpedal and apologize you come back >> looking more slimy and manipulative than you did before. >> >> -- >> Marcus Kreitzer >> >>>>>

(in an attempt to post about music...) this track just popped up on my facebook feed. Autechre and Mari Hamada. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB0BY0EqijM&feature=youtu.be 1997 (between Chiastic Slide and LP5, my personal favorite era). It's literally a great ae track from that era with singing on top. pretty fantastic. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB0BY0EqijM&feature=youtu.be> [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jB0BY0EqijM/hqdefault.jpg]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB0BY0EqijM&feature=youtu.be> Autechre + Mari Hamada -- アイレ可愛や (Aire Kawaiya) - YouTube<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB0BY0EqijM&feature=youtu.be> www.youtube.com A great 1997 Autechre track, with beautiful vocals by Mari Hamada, from her album called 編む女 (Amu Onna). Just found out about it recently, basically ... Looks like it was only released on her full-length? https://www.discogs.com/Mari-Hamada-%E7%B7%A8%E3%82%80%E5%A5%B3/release/719322 Other tracks seem fun and playful, but not ae-ish. sadly, wasn't released on vinyl (CD only). <https://www.discogs.com/Mari-Hamada-%E7%B7%A8%E3%82%80%E5%A5%B3/release/719322> [https://img.discogs.com/y_IAQAIhsPg1uIdmQScbxJ_640Q=/fit-in/600x592/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-719322-1323623532.jpeg.jpg]<https://www.discogs.com/Mari-Hamada-%E7%B7%A8%E3%82%80%E5%A5%B3/release/719322> Mari Hamada - 編む女 (CD, Album) at Discogs<https://www.discogs.com/Mari-Hamada-%E7%B7%A8%E3%82%80%E5%A5%B3/release/719322> www.discogs.com Find a Mari Hamada - 編む女 first pressing or reissue. Complete your Mari Hamada collection. Shop Vinyl and CDs.

really liked the ae "layout", as always. singing is surprising, wonder what are the lyrics? On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 8:02 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

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> (in an attempt to post about music...) > > this track just popped up on my facebook feed. > > Autechre and Mari Hamada. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB0BY0EqijM&feature=youtu.be > > 1997 (between Chiastic Slide and LP5, my personal favorite era). > It's literally a great ae track from that era with singing on top. pretty > fantastic. > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB0BY0EqijM&feature=youtu.be> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB0BY0EqijM&feature=youtu.be> > Autechre + Mari Hamada -- アイレ可愛や (Aire Kawaiya) - YouTube > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB0BY0EqijM&feature=youtu.be> > www.youtube.com > A great 1997 Autechre track, with beautiful vocals by Mari Hamada, from > her album called 編む女 (Amu Onna). Just found out about it recently, > basically ... > > Looks like it was only released on her full-length? > https://www.discogs.com/Mari-Hamada-%E7%B7%A8%E3%82%80%E5% > A5%B3/release/719322 > > Other tracks seem fun and playful, but not ae-ish. sadly, wasn't released > on vinyl (CD only). > > <https://www.discogs.com/Mari-Hamada-%E7%B7%A8%E3%82%80%E5%A5%B3/release/719322> > > <https://www.discogs.com/Mari-Hamada-%E7%B7%A8%E3%82%80%E5%A5%B3/release/719322> > Mari Hamada - 編む女 (CD, Album) at Discogs > <https://www.discogs.com/Mari-Hamada-%E7%B7%A8%E3%82%80%E5%A5%B3/release/719322> > www.discogs.com > Find a Mari Hamada - 編む女 first pressing or reissue. Complete your Mari > Hamada collection. Shop Vinyl and CDs. > > >

On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 4:22 PM, J L <importspeedster@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 8 lines Hi Mauro, my point was that he's not making fun of a certain group—yet you keep menti

> > Hi Mauro, my point was that he's not making fun of a certain group—yet you keep mentioning it because you're misinterpreting his words. You're being hypersensitive. > > > I have no idea what you're talking about here. What does this mean? "or you mean being a 14 y/o rebel who thinks that > "sticking it to the man" implies being an awful person?" > >

nah, i'm good. you should re-read my previous email, what i've wrote in between parentheses, more precisely. what i was saying (in direct response to what Eric said about the breakcore circuit, and i add: the deathgrind scene too.) is that i find extremely silly the fact that people pick offensive / gimmicky names in order to be edgier, unless you're a 14 y/o (figure speech, no offense to the kids reading this thread) with even sillier ideas about the world, and about being rebelious (in contrast to what autechre did with that law). that was it. in any case i was critizicing the whole naming-my-band-something-offensive-because-it-is-funny and not 'beatwife' directly. *puts tin-foil hat on* it's conspiracy time: beatwife has a "cover" [0] or something of Britney Spears' "Baby one more time", and if you take the time to read the lyrics, it's a bit weird ("Hit me baby one more time / Oh baby, baby / The reason I breathe is you / Boy you got me blinded") [1]. and in his cover, he twists the meaning of the word /hit/ ("hit me acid one more time"), as in he might be talking about tripping on acid or playing acid. So he might be aware of the _other_ meaning of Britney's song. And possibly the controversy around his moniker. [0] https://beatwife.bandcamp.com/track/acid-acid [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/the-real-meaning-of-britney-spears-classic-hit-me-baby-one-more-time-a6799116.html and that's overthinking something. (just kidding) PS: Sorry for the offtopic again !

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> > > ________________________________ > From: Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 3:02 PM > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: beatwife podcast > > hi there! (another lurker here) > > i see your point, but at the same time: "Much of life is about > struggle, and overcoming obstacles." such as stop making fun (_not > saying the artist is doing it_) of violence towards a certain group of > people, right? or you mean being a 14 y/o rebel who thinks that > "sticking it to the man" implies being an awful person? either way, > this discussion belongs to another mailing list i guess. > > and yeah, the music is really good. (back to the topic of this list heh) > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, J L <importspeedster@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, long time lurker. > > > > > > I think it seems obvious that his pseudonym has nothing to do with beating anyone up. > > > > > > It's a slippery slope for the arts. If artists keep catering to fragile safe spaces, and politically mandated speech and correctness, they will eventually be shut down for expressing opinions or even emotions that may differ from establishment ones. Perhaps music & percussion that's too aggressive sounding, fast, or doesn't conform to establishment ideology will be censored, & or shut down? > > > > As an example, RDJ has expressed differing opinions from establishment ones in various interviews. Also there was John Major's criminal justice bill which attempted to outlaw repetitive beats. > > > > > > "This artist name, or music makes me feel uncomfortable so lets ban it." Enough with the outrage. Life isn't always about being comfortable. Much of life is about struggle, and overcoming obstacles. > > > > > > Never heard of the guy, but this is a cool album btw. Definitely gonna pick this up. Thanks for the info Clint! > > > > > > > > https://beatwife.bandcamp.com/ > Beatwife > beatwife.bandcamp.com > Beatwife Earl Rögnvald (Wife Trax), released 12 July 2017 1. Badboy Flöw 2. Face Daddy 3. Fat Böwler 4. Child Of Pappa 5. Plankerön 6. Acid Acid 7. Export Grabber 8. > > > > > > Beatwife > > beatwife.bandcamp.com > > Beatwife Earl Rögnvald (Wife Trax), released 12 July 2017 1. Badboy Flöw 2. Face Daddy 3. Fat Böwler 4. Child Of Pappa 5. Plankerön 6. Acid Acid 7. Export Grabber 8. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Eric Fairbanks <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> > > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:11 PM > > To: Mauro > > Cc: IDM > > Subject: Re: beatwife podcast > > > > Aha hey there Mauro! And yeah, I don't mean to be dismissive. It's not something I would choose to do. > > > > There's another artist out there who goes by something like "stage 4 cancer" or something that seems a bit insensitive as well, though not in quite the same way. > > > > I get that art doesn't need all it's edges sanded off, but I'd think if you're going to have a name like that, it at least deserves some kind of obvious explanation. Unless (perhaps even if) it's meant to make a statement because you're donating album proceeds to domestic-violence-related groups or something it at best comes off as tasteless and at worst as making light of something awful. > > > > I think some artists, especially those who make more inaccessible, noisy, horror-driven music might see it as bringing attention to ugly things with the sort of inherent disclaimer that they're not advocating them, but I doubt that comes through to the casual listener or someone intimately familiar with the matter. Perhaps I'm overthinking it, but it's not really an excuse anyway as it doesn't change how it impacts others. > > > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > "Ah yeah, those are beaten up women but it's ok, it always have been > > this way. you know, boys will be boys, nothing serious." :) > > > > PS: hey eric! > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Eric Fairbanks > > <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Names like that are pretty common in the breakcore circuit. They tend toward deliberately offensive/horrifying/inflammatory. Y'all ever see any of VSnare's album artwork or track names? > > > > > > Guess it depends on your feelings on being upsetting in (presumably) a tongue-in-cheek way. > > > > > > I can see it being a turnoff, but I also assume that Aaron Funk isn't actually advocating befriending child killers. > > > > > > Music is art blah blah censorship yadda yadda. > > > > > > I haven't listened to much beatwife so idk. > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 9:39 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> Guys, marketing has its reasons that the reason ignores. > > >> > > >> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 12:18 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> These explanations all make sense, but they don't excuse the name, at all. It's a disgusting name. If we all agree, we should collectively tell him? > > >>> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>> > > >>> On Mar 24, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> As for me, i assumed it was some tribute to the « Beat that bitch with a bat » track, or some other reference everybody here would get except me ! > > >>> > > >>> If not , his Max4Live patches names suggest that he has audio under his skin, i mean his « wife » gets literally sequenced, broken, convolved, twiddled, rushed, effected, doctored and... eventually « tranz ». > > >>> > > >>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:27 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> i guess i assumed that it was ironic in the sense that maybe he is the wife and he makes beats > > >>>> i dunno > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Clint Anderson > > >>>> Systems Engineer > > >>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:24 PM, Baptiste Bacot <baptiste.bacot@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I suggest « RapeK!dz » for the next moniker, it’s way more appropriate. > > >>>>> Unfortunately, the mix and the production seem good, but I dont want to spend much time listening to this guy’s music, because of that name. > > >>>>> The list seems terribly silent on that matter. What do you guys and girls think about this « artist name »? I just want to hear from you : do you find the alias legitimate, and if not, why? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Best, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> BB > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Le 23 mars 2018 à 15:16, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> a écrit : > > >>>>> > > >>>>> "beat wife"?! > > >>>>> Really? > > >>>>> Dude needs to change his name now. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ________________________________ > > >>>>> From: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> > > >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 9:06 AM > > >>>>> To: IDM > > >>>>> Subject: beatwife podcast > > >>>>> > > >>>>> http://www.orbmag.com/music/orb-podcast-002-beatwife/ > > >>>>> Orb Podcast 002: Beatwife - Orb Mag > > >>>>> www.orbmag.com > > >>>>> Since his debut EP, Ritilin, in 2008, Scottish born, Los Angeles-based producer, Richard Wilson, has been creating music under his alias Beatwife. His approach towards acid, IDM, and experimental music, combined with his knowledge of audio technology, including his signature software and modified equipment, has resulted in the creation of Beatwife’s distinctive sound. Beatwife released his … > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Clint Anderson > > >>>>> Systems Engineer > > >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>

i read that too, it was so stupidly unfunny that i just ignored the tool that posted it. On 25 March 2018 at 18:24, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 175 lines "Beating wives is sometimes erotic but always fun ". ?!

> "Beating wives is sometimes erotic but always fun ". ?! > > That is hate speech. Your sad humor is normalizing hate. And I hate it. > > And, honestly, everyone on this list who read that comment, was outraged, > and didn't say anything is part of the problem. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:03 PM, 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: > > Nat, for me, your sentiment is appreciated. I just think it's best not to > give narcissistic provocateurs what they want-- our attention. It empowers > them. > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:56 AM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent). >> >> >> I think I'm caught up in what's going on here in the States and feeling >> very fired up. >> >> >> You're right, I do need to take a deep breath. >> >> >> So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is >> literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives. >> >> >> I, personally, don't want violence against women to continue to be >> normalized and it makes me sad that artist names like this are still being >> used >> >> >> I'm also, again, disappointed that others don't seem to agree. >> >> Sure, I might have come on a little strong, but we need to call hate when >> we see it, I believe., >> >> >> love you all and thanks for hearing me out!!! >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:47 PM >> *To:* Zombiefly >> *Cc:* Juho Hietala; IDM List >> *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast >> >> Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else >> they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would a >> child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and >> eventually shut up. >> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything as >> pathetic as this particular email thread. >> Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy shit. >> close yourself down immediately, nat hawks >> >> On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. >> >> >> On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted >> to make sure this got through.) >> >> There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain >> groups. >> >> >> historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and >> open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's >> response. >> >> >> No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be >> 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a >> person with this detestable name. >> >> >> What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing >> violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide >> crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our >> power >> to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. >> >> >> 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, >> unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to >> know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the >> problem. >> >> >> maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a >> highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence >> against them and seen what it does to their lives. >> >> >> VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. >> >> >> 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. >> >> this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. >> >> >> SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON >> BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues >> now regarding this >> >> >> The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. >> >> It's not OK. >> >> >> and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled >> against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does >> not help. >> >> >> imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion >> happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a >> female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. >> >> I just emailed this to his label... >> >> >> "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE >> on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. >> >> PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. >> >> Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not >> funny. >> >> If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE >> PROBLEM. >> >> please stop helping to normalize violence against women. >> >> THANK YOU! Peace." >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ---------------------------------------- >> not sent from an iDevice >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 22tape/jared dunne >> listen <http://22tape.com> >> > > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen <http://22tape.com> > >

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they (he/record company/magazine etc) already know it's not ok..... or do you think your disgust will be the trigger to the dawning realisation of his mistake? o_O it's a name. he isn't beating wives. it's controversial. on purpose. he won't care if you object, i'm sure there have been objections since 2010 or whenever he started with it. On 25 March 2018 at 18:30, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 198 lines But they need to know that it's not OK. I believe we need to name hate

> But they need to know that it's not OK. I believe we need to name hate > when we see it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: > > i read that too, it was so stupidly unfunny that i just ignored the tool > that posted it. > > > > On 25 March 2018 at 18:24, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> "Beating wives is sometimes erotic but always fun ". ?! >> >> That is hate speech. Your sad humor is normalizing hate. And I hate it. >> >> And, honestly, everyone on this list who read that comment, was outraged, >> and didn't say anything is part of the problem. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:03 PM, 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Nat, for me, your sentiment is appreciated. I just think it's best not to >> give narcissistic provocateurs what they want-- our attention. It empowers >> them. >> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:56 AM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent). >>> >>> >>> I think I'm caught up in what's going on here in the States and feeling >>> very fired up. >>> >>> >>> You're right, I do need to take a deep breath. >>> >>> >>> So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is >>> literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives. >>> >>> >>> I, personally, don't want violence against women to continue to be >>> normalized and it makes me sad that artist names like this are still being >>> used >>> >>> >>> I'm also, again, disappointed that others don't seem to agree. >>> >>> Sure, I might have come on a little strong, but we need to call hate >>> when we see it, I believe., >>> >>> >>> love you all and thanks for hearing me out!!! >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:47 PM >>> *To:* Zombiefly >>> *Cc:* Juho Hietala; IDM List >>> *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast >>> >>> Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else >>> they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would >>> a child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and >>> eventually shut up. >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything >>> as pathetic as this particular email thread. >>> Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy >>> shit. close yourself down immediately, nat hawks >>> >>> On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. >>> >>> >>> On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted >>> to make sure this got through.) >>> >>> There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain >>> groups. >>> >>> >>> historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and >>> open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's >>> response. >>> >>> >>> No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be >>> 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a >>> person with this detestable name. >>> >>> >>> What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is >>> normalizing violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, >>> world-wide crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is >>> now in our power >>> to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. >>> >>> >>> 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, >>> unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to >>> know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the >>> problem. >>> >>> >>> maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a >>> highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence >>> against them and seen what it does to their lives. >>> >>> >>> VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. >>> >>> >>> 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. >>> >>> this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. >>> >>> >>> SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON >>> BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues >>> now regarding this >>> >>> >>> The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. >>> >>> It's not OK. >>> >>> >>> and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled >>> against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does >>> not help. >>> >>> >>> imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the >>> discussion happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i >>> was a female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to >>> @#$#$^#@. >>> >>> I just emailed this to his label... >>> >>> >>> "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE >>> on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. >>> >>> PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. >>> >>> Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not >>> funny. >>> >>> If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF >>> THE PROBLEM. >>> >>> please stop helping to normalize violence against women. >>> >>> THANK YOU! Peace." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> not sent from an iDevice >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 22tape/jared dunne >>> listen <http://22tape.com> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> 22tape/jared dunne >> listen <http://22tape.com> >> >> > > > -- > ---------------------------------------- > not sent from an iDevice > ---------------------------------------- > >

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fair enough, i think your point might go over better with less attaching your own current situation to it which obviously affects your interpretation of someone’s silly stage name. it’s quite a lot of assuming. just saying it’s distasteful is quite enough i think; by all means mail him if you like to but don’t assume other people are as outraged as you are. personally i’m more worried about the direct misogyny, sexism and homophobia happening around us so the whole issue of someone’s dumb distasteful name seems a little silly to me

quoted 21 lines On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:45, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:45, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Agreed. Total slippery slope. > > But Beat wife is literally saying punching a woman in the face. Literally. Yes, I get the pun. I'm not impressed. > > I'm no saint. My friends and I used to have an in-house joke band called "sucky fucky". We burned one CD-R and cut n paste Asian porn photos on it. We thought we were hilarious. I'd like to think I'm wiser now. > > My point is, apologies if I came off as 'virtuous,' but I was trying to make a point. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:35 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com <mailto:zombiefly@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> they (he/record company/magazine etc) already know it's not ok..... or do you think your disgust will be the trigger to the dawning realisation of his mistake? o_O >> >> it's a name. he isn't beating wives. it's controversial. on purpose. he won't care if you object, i'm sure there have been objections since 2010 or whenever he started with it. >> >> >> >>

I haven’t seen this much activity on this list since Confield came out. - CRT

quoted 27 lines On Mar 25, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 25, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: > > fair enough, i think your point might go over better with less attaching your own current situation to it which obviously affects your interpretation of someone’s silly stage name. it’s quite a lot of assuming. just saying it’s distasteful is quite enough i think; by all means mail him if you like to but don’t assume other people are as outraged as you are. personally i’m more worried about the direct misogyny, sexism and homophobia happening around us so the whole issue of someone’s dumb distasteful name seems a little silly to me > > >> On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:45, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Agreed. Total slippery slope. >> >> But Beat wife is literally saying punching a woman in the face. Literally. Yes, I get the pun. I'm not impressed. >> >> I'm no saint. My friends and I used to have an in-house joke band called "sucky fucky". We burned one CD-R and cut n paste Asian porn photos on it. We thought we were hilarious. I'd like to think I'm wiser now. >> >> My point is, apologies if I came off as 'virtuous,' but I was trying to make a point. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:35 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> they (he/record company/magazine etc) already know it's not ok..... or do you think your disgust will be the trigger to the dawning realisation of his mistake? o_O >>> >>> it's a name. he isn't beating wives. it's controversial. on purpose. he won't care if you object, i'm sure there have been objections since 2010 or whenever he started with it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >

Is this name 'beatwife' not an example of direct misogyny? This is a community, and within one's own community is a great place to start. I went 'personal' rather quickly, totally fair... too quickly. I was just more outraged that others took the 'just don't buy the album' approach. ________________________________ From: Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 3:32 PM To: nat hawks Cc: Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List Subject: Re: beatwife podcast fair enough, i think your point might go over better with less attaching your own current situation to it which obviously affects your interpretation of someone’s silly stage name. it’s quite a lot of assuming. just saying it’s distasteful is quite enough i think; by all means mail him if you like to but don’t assume other people are as outraged as you are. personally i’m more worried about the direct misogyny, sexism and homophobia happening around us so the whole issue of someone’s dumb distasteful name seems a little silly to me On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:45, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: Agreed. Total slippery slope. But Beat wife is literally saying punching a woman in the face. Literally. Yes, I get the pun. I'm not impressed. I'm no saint. My friends and I used to have an in-house joke band called "sucky fucky". We burned one CD-R and cut n paste Asian porn photos on it. We thought we were hilarious. I'd like to think I'm wiser now. My point is, apologies if I came off as 'virtuous,' but I was trying to make a point. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:35 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com<mailto:zombiefly@gmail.com>> wrote: they (he/record company/magazine etc) already know it's not ok..... or do you think your disgust will be the trigger to the dawning realisation of his mistake? o_O it's a name. he isn't beating wives. it's controversial. on purpose. he won't care if you object, i'm sure there have been objections since 2010 or whenever he started with it.

also very curious about that. what would Mira Calix say? Holly Herndon? ________________________________ From: Lee Swagerty <leeswagerty@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:21 PM To: nat hawks Cc: Juho Hietala; Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List Subject: Re: beatwife podcast This thread is hilarious.... and yeah most activity on the list in awhile. If only there was a woman to voice an opinion — but nope, just a sausage fest haha. — Lee On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 4:10 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: Is this name 'beatwife' not an example of direct misogyny? This is a community, and within one's own community is a great place to start. I went 'personal' rather quickly, totally fair... too quickly. I was just more outraged that others took the 'just don't buy the album' approach. ________________________________ From: Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com<mailto:hietala@gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 3:32 PM To: nat hawks Cc: Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List Subject: Re: beatwife podcast fair enough, i think your point might go over better with less attaching your own current situation to it which obviously affects your interpretation of someone’s silly stage name. it’s quite a lot of assuming. just saying it’s distasteful is quite enough i think; by all means mail him if you like to but don’t assume other people are as outraged as you are. personally i’m more worried about the direct misogyny, sexism and homophobia happening around us so the whole issue of someone’s dumb distasteful name seems a little silly to me On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:45, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: Agreed. Total slippery slope. But Beat wife is literally saying punching a woman in the face. Literally. Yes, I get the pun. I'm not impressed. I'm no saint. My friends and I used to have an in-house joke band called "sucky fucky". We burned one CD-R and cut n paste Asian porn photos on it. We thought we were hilarious. I'd like to think I'm wiser now. My point is, apologies if I came off as 'virtuous,' but I was trying to make a point. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:35 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com<mailto:zombiefly@gmail.com>> wrote: they (he/record company/magazine etc) already know it's not ok..... or do you think your disgust will be the trigger to the dawning realisation of his mistake? o_O it's a name. he isn't beating wives. it's controversial. on purpose. he won't care if you object, i'm sure there have been objections since 2010 or whenever he started with it.

Why not ask them? Or Beatwife himself? The Panzi Foundation in the Congo is a fine organisation to support if you care about women, btw. On 22:23, Sun, 25 Mar 2018 nat hawks, <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 87 lines also very curious about that.

> also very curious about that. > > what would Mira Calix say? Holly Herndon? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Lee Swagerty <leeswagerty@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:21 PM > *To:* nat hawks > *Cc:* Juho Hietala; Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List > *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast > > This thread is hilarious.... and yeah most activity on the list in awhile. > > If only there was a woman to voice an opinion — but nope, just a sausage > fest haha. > > > > > — Lee > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 4:10 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Is this name 'beatwife' not an example of direct misogyny? > > > This is a community, and within one's own community is a great place to > start. > > > I went 'personal' rather quickly, totally fair... too quickly. I was just > more outraged that others took the 'just don't buy the album' approach. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 3:32 PM > *To:* nat hawks > *Cc:* Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List > *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast > > fair enough, i think your point might go over better with less attaching > your own current situation to it which obviously affects your > interpretation of someone’s silly stage name. it’s quite a lot of assuming. > just saying it’s distasteful is quite enough i think; by all means mail him > if you like to but don’t assume other people are as outraged as you are. > personally i’m more worried about the direct misogyny, sexism and > homophobia happening around us so the whole issue of someone’s dumb > distasteful name seems a little silly to me > > > On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:45, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Agreed. Total slippery slope. > > But Beat wife is literally saying punching a woman in the face. > Literally. Yes, I get the pun. I'm not impressed. > > I'm no saint. My friends and I used to have an in-house joke band called > "sucky fucky". We burned one CD-R and cut n paste Asian porn photos on it. > We thought we were hilarious. I'd like to think I'm wiser now. > > My point is, apologies if I came off as 'virtuous,' but I was trying to > make a point. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:35 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: > > they (he/record company/magazine etc) already know it's not ok..... or do > you think your disgust will be the trigger to the dawning realisation of > his mistake? o_O > > it's a name. he isn't beating wives. it's controversial. on purpose. he > won't care if you object, i'm sure there have been objections since 2010 or > whenever he started with it. > > > > > > >

Dumb name, good music. Confield is best AE album when your needing the existential boops. On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 2:23 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 87 lines also very curious about that.

> also very curious about that. > > what would Mira Calix say? Holly Herndon? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Lee Swagerty <leeswagerty@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:21 PM > *To:* nat hawks > *Cc:* Juho Hietala; Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List > *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast > > This thread is hilarious.... and yeah most activity on the list in awhile. > > If only there was a woman to voice an opinion — but nope, just a sausage > fest haha. > > > > > — Lee > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 4:10 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Is this name 'beatwife' not an example of direct misogyny? > > > This is a community, and within one's own community is a great place to > start. > > > I went 'personal' rather quickly, totally fair... too quickly. I was just > more outraged that others took the 'just don't buy the album' approach. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 3:32 PM > *To:* nat hawks > *Cc:* Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List > *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast > > fair enough, i think your point might go over better with less attaching > your own current situation to it which obviously affects your > interpretation of someone’s silly stage name. it’s quite a lot of assuming. > just saying it’s distasteful is quite enough i think; by all means mail him > if you like to but don’t assume other people are as outraged as you are. > personally i’m more worried about the direct misogyny, sexism and > homophobia happening around us so the whole issue of someone’s dumb > distasteful name seems a little silly to me > > > On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:45, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Agreed. Total slippery slope. > > But Beat wife is literally saying punching a woman in the face. > Literally. Yes, I get the pun. I'm not impressed. > > I'm no saint. My friends and I used to have an in-house joke band called > "sucky fucky". We burned one CD-R and cut n paste Asian porn photos on it. > We thought we were hilarious. I'd like to think I'm wiser now. > > My point is, apologies if I came off as 'virtuous,' but I was trying to > make a point. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:35 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: > > they (he/record company/magazine etc) already know it's not ok..... or do > you think your disgust will be the trigger to the dawning realisation of > his mistake? o_O > > it's a name. he isn't beating wives. it's controversial. on purpose. he > won't care if you object, i'm sure there have been objections since 2010 or > whenever he started with it. > > > > > > >

Existential Boops was actually Beatwife’s original choice for a name. - CRT

quoted 67 lines On Mar 25, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 25, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dumb name, good music. Confield is best AE album when your needing the existential boops. > >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 2:23 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >> also very curious about that. >> what would Mira Calix say? Holly Herndon? >> >> >> >> >> From: Lee Swagerty <leeswagerty@gmail.com> >> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:21 PM >> To: nat hawks >> Cc: Juho Hietala; Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List >> Subject: Re: beatwife podcast >> >> This thread is hilarious.... and yeah most activity on the list in awhile. >> >> If only there was a woman to voice an opinion — but nope, just a sausage fest haha. >> >> >> >> >> — Lee >> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 4:10 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Is this name 'beatwife' not an example of direct misogyny? >> >> This is a community, and within one's own community is a great place to start. >> >> I went 'personal' rather quickly, totally fair... too quickly. I was just more outraged that others took the 'just don't buy the album' approach. >> >> >> From: Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> >> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 3:32 PM >> To: nat hawks >> Cc: Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List >> Subject: Re: beatwife podcast >> >> fair enough, i think your point might go over better with less attaching your own current situation to it which obviously affects your interpretation of someone’s silly stage name. it’s quite a lot of assuming. just saying it’s distasteful is quite enough i think; by all means mail him if you like to but don’t assume other people are as outraged as you are. personally i’m more worried about the direct misogyny, sexism and homophobia happening around us so the whole issue of someone’s dumb distasteful name seems a little silly to me >> >> >>> On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:45, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Agreed. Total slippery slope. >>> >>> But Beat wife is literally saying punching a woman in the face. Literally. Yes, I get the pun. I'm not impressed. >>> >>> I'm no saint. My friends and I used to have an in-house joke band called "sucky fucky". We burned one CD-R and cut n paste Asian porn photos on it. We thought we were hilarious. I'd like to think I'm wiser now. >>> >>> My point is, apologies if I came off as 'virtuous,' but I was trying to make a point. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:35 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> they (he/record company/magazine etc) already know it's not ok..... or do you think your disgust will be the trigger to the dawning realisation of his mistake? o_O >>>> >>>> it's a name. he isn't beating wives. it's controversial. on purpose. he won't care if you object, i'm sure there have been objections since 2010 or whenever he started with it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >

Ed, I did email him. "Panzi"? Please explain yourself. Don't talk around it. Say what you mean. Real men defend women. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com<mailto:crtdot@icloud.com>> wrote: Existential Boops was actually Beatwife’s original choice for a name. - CRT On Mar 25, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com<mailto:connor1higgins@gmail.com>> wrote: Dumb name, good music. Confield is best AE album when your needing the existential boops. On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 2:23 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: also very curious about that. what would Mira Calix say? Holly Herndon? ________________________________ From: Lee Swagerty <leeswagerty@gmail.com<mailto:leeswagerty@gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:21 PM To: nat hawks Cc: Juho Hietala; Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List Subject: Re: beatwife podcast This thread is hilarious.... and yeah most activity on the list in awhile. If only there was a woman to voice an opinion — but nope, just a sausage fest haha. — Lee On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 4:10 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: Is this name 'beatwife' not an example of direct misogyny? This is a community, and within one's own community is a great place to start. I went 'personal' rather quickly, totally fair... too quickly. I was just more outraged that others took the 'just don't buy the album' approach. ________________________________ From: Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com<mailto:hietala@gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 3:32 PM To: nat hawks Cc: Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List Subject: Re: beatwife podcast fair enough, i think your point might go over better with less attaching your own current situation to it which obviously affects your interpretation of someone’s silly stage name. it’s quite a lot of assuming. just saying it’s distasteful is quite enough i think; by all means mail him if you like to but don’t assume other people are as outraged as you are. personally i’m more worried about the direct misogyny, sexism and homophobia happening around us so the whole issue of someone’s dumb distasteful name seems a little silly to me On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:45, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: Agreed. Total slippery slope. But Beat wife is literally saying punching a woman in the face. Literally. Yes, I get the pun. I'm not impressed. I'm no saint. My friends and I used to have an in-house joke band called "sucky fucky". We burned one CD-R and cut n paste Asian porn photos on it. We thought we were hilarious. I'd like to think I'm wiser now. My point is, apologies if I came off as 'virtuous,' but I was trying to make a point. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:35 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com<mailto:zombiefly@gmail.com>> wrote: they (he/record company/magazine etc) already know it's not ok..... or do you think your disgust will be the trigger to the dawning realisation of his mistake? o_O it's a name. he isn't beating wives. it's controversial. on purpose. he won't care if you object, i'm sure there have been objections since 2010 or whenever he started with it.

Charles, what do you mean to really say? Please say it more directly. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com<mailto:crtdot@icloud.com>> wrote: Existential Boops was actually Beatwife’s original choice for a name. - CRT On Mar 25, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com<mailto:connor1higgins@gmail.com>> wrote: Dumb name, good music. Confield is best AE album when your needing the existential boops. On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 2:23 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: also very curious about that. what would Mira Calix say? Holly Herndon? ________________________________ From: Lee Swagerty <leeswagerty@gmail.com<mailto:leeswagerty@gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:21 PM To: nat hawks Cc: Juho Hietala; Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List Subject: Re: beatwife podcast This thread is hilarious.... and yeah most activity on the list in awhile. If only there was a woman to voice an opinion — but nope, just a sausage fest haha. — Lee On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 4:10 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: Is this name 'beatwife' not an example of direct misogyny? This is a community, and within one's own community is a great place to start. I went 'personal' rather quickly, totally fair... too quickly. I was just more outraged that others took the 'just don't buy the album' approach. ________________________________ From: Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com<mailto:hietala@gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 3:32 PM To: nat hawks Cc: Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List Subject: Re: beatwife podcast fair enough, i think your point might go over better with less attaching your own current situation to it which obviously affects your interpretation of someone’s silly stage name. it’s quite a lot of assuming. just saying it’s distasteful is quite enough i think; by all means mail him if you like to but don’t assume other people are as outraged as you are. personally i’m more worried about the direct misogyny, sexism and homophobia happening around us so the whole issue of someone’s dumb distasteful name seems a little silly to me On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:45, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: Agreed. Total slippery slope. But Beat wife is literally saying punching a woman in the face. Literally. Yes, I get the pun. I'm not impressed. I'm no saint. My friends and I used to have an in-house joke band called "sucky fucky". We burned one CD-R and cut n paste Asian porn photos on it. We thought we were hilarious. I'd like to think I'm wiser now. My point is, apologies if I came off as 'virtuous,' but I was trying to make a point. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:35 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com<mailto:zombiefly@gmail.com>> wrote: they (he/record company/magazine etc) already know it's not ok..... or do you think your disgust will be the trigger to the dawning realisation of his mistake? o_O it's a name. he isn't beating wives. it's controversial. on purpose. he won't care if you object, i'm sure there have been objections since 2010 or whenever he started with it.

And Charles, sorry if that was a harmful joke, feeling a little on the defense. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2018, at 6:03 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: Charles, what do you mean to really say? Please say it more directly. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com<mailto:crtdot@icloud.com>> wrote: Existential Boops was actually Beatwife’s original choice for a name. - CRT On Mar 25, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com<mailto:connor1higgins@gmail.com>> wrote: Dumb name, good music. Confield is best AE album when your needing the existential boops. On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 2:23 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: also very curious about that. what would Mira Calix say? Holly Herndon? ________________________________ From: Lee Swagerty <leeswagerty@gmail.com<mailto:leeswagerty@gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:21 PM To: nat hawks Cc: Juho Hietala; Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List Subject: Re: beatwife podcast This thread is hilarious.... and yeah most activity on the list in awhile. If only there was a woman to voice an opinion — but nope, just a sausage fest haha. — Lee On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 4:10 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: Is this name 'beatwife' not an example of direct misogyny? This is a community, and within one's own community is a great place to start. I went 'personal' rather quickly, totally fair... too quickly. I was just more outraged that others took the 'just don't buy the album' approach. ________________________________ From: Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com<mailto:hietala@gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 3:32 PM To: nat hawks Cc: Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List Subject: Re: beatwife podcast fair enough, i think your point might go over better with less attaching your own current situation to it which obviously affects your interpretation of someone’s silly stage name. it’s quite a lot of assuming. just saying it’s distasteful is quite enough i think; by all means mail him if you like to but don’t assume other people are as outraged as you are. personally i’m more worried about the direct misogyny, sexism and homophobia happening around us so the whole issue of someone’s dumb distasteful name seems a little silly to me On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:45, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com<mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: Agreed. Total slippery slope. But Beat wife is literally saying punching a woman in the face. Literally. Yes, I get the pun. I'm not impressed. I'm no saint. My friends and I used to have an in-house joke band called "sucky fucky". We burned one CD-R and cut n paste Asian porn photos on it. We thought we were hilarious. I'd like to think I'm wiser now. My point is, apologies if I came off as 'virtuous,' but I was trying to make a point. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:35 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com<mailto:zombiefly@gmail.com>> wrote: they (he/record company/magazine etc) already know it's not ok..... or do you think your disgust will be the trigger to the dawning realisation of his mistake? o_O it's a name. he isn't beating wives. it's controversial. on purpose. he won't care if you object, i'm sure there have been objections since 2010 or whenever he started with it.

People who are true game changers dont flame themselves around as social justice warriors. Nat hawks you sound like a snowflake. You really dont do your perceived "cause" any favours by berating to others what they should or shouldnt do. Your arguments end up looking childish and uneloquent. Not even going anywhere near the fact its ridiculous to be so worked up over words. On Mon, 26 Mar 2018, 06:03 nat hawks, <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 107 lines Charles, what do you mean to really say? Please say it more directly.

> Charles, what do you mean to really say? Please say it more directly. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 25, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com> wrote: > > Existential Boops was actually Beatwife’s original choice for a name. > > - CRT > > > On Mar 25, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Dumb name, good music. Confield is best AE album when your needing the > existential boops. > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 2:23 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> also very curious about that. >> >> what would Mira Calix say? Holly Herndon? >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Lee Swagerty <leeswagerty@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:21 PM >> *To:* nat hawks >> *Cc:* Juho Hietala; Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List >> *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast >> >> This thread is hilarious.... and yeah most activity on the list in awhile. >> >> If only there was a woman to voice an opinion — but nope, just a sausage >> fest haha. >> >> >> >> >> — Lee >> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 4:10 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Is this name 'beatwife' not an example of direct misogyny? >> >> >> This is a community, and within one's own community is a great place to >> start. >> >> >> I went 'personal' rather quickly, totally fair... too quickly. I was >> just more outraged that others took the 'just don't buy the album' approach. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 3:32 PM >> *To:* nat hawks >> *Cc:* Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List >> *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast >> >> fair enough, i think your point might go over better with less attaching >> your own current situation to it which obviously affects your >> interpretation of someone’s silly stage name. it’s quite a lot of assuming. >> just saying it’s distasteful is quite enough i think; by all means mail him >> if you like to but don’t assume other people are as outraged as you are. >> personally i’m more worried about the direct misogyny, sexism and >> homophobia happening around us so the whole issue of someone’s dumb >> distasteful name seems a little silly to me >> >> >> On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:45, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Agreed. Total slippery slope. >> >> But Beat wife is literally saying punching a woman in the face. >> Literally. Yes, I get the pun. I'm not impressed. >> >> I'm no saint. My friends and I used to have an in-house joke band called >> "sucky fucky". We burned one CD-R and cut n paste Asian porn photos on it. >> We thought we were hilarious. I'd like to think I'm wiser now. >> >> My point is, apologies if I came off as 'virtuous,' but I was trying to >> make a point. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:35 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> they (he/record company/magazine etc) already know it's not ok..... or do >> you think your disgust will be the trigger to the dawning realisation of >> his mistake? o_O >> >> it's a name. he isn't beating wives. it's controversial. on purpose. he >> won't care if you object, i'm sure there have been objections since 2010 or >> whenever he started with it. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

If someone is told how they should think/say/feel about a subject, even if they agree, they will likely address the fact that they’re being told how they should think/say/feel about the subject long before addressing the actual subject itself. I’m surprised that you’re surprised that you told a bunch of independent-minded muscians/music lovers how they should feel, and you got a negative reaction, even if they do agree with your sentiment. We don’t like to be told what to think/say/feel. You know this though :) Beatwife has the right to have whatever name he wants. Freedom of speech before all else. And you have the freedom to voice your opinion about how you feel about his name, but making declarative statements about how other people should react smells a bit funny, and will likely give you the same reaction every time. It’s not what you say, it’s how you say it. On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:23 PM nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 87 lines also very curious about that.

> also very curious about that. > > what would Mira Calix say? Holly Herndon? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Lee Swagerty <leeswagerty@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:21 PM > *To:* nat hawks > *Cc:* Juho Hietala; Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List > *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast > > This thread is hilarious.... and yeah most activity on the list in awhile. > > If only there was a woman to voice an opinion — but nope, just a sausage > fest haha. > > > > > — Lee > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 4:10 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Is this name 'beatwife' not an example of direct misogyny? > > > This is a community, and within one's own community is a great place to > start. > > > I went 'personal' rather quickly, totally fair... too quickly. I was just > more outraged that others took the 'just don't buy the album' approach. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 3:32 PM > *To:* nat hawks > *Cc:* Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List > *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast > > fair enough, i think your point might go over better with less attaching > your own current situation to it which obviously affects your > interpretation of someone’s silly stage name. it’s quite a lot of assuming. > just saying it’s distasteful is quite enough i think; by all means mail him > if you like to but don’t assume other people are as outraged as you are. > personally i’m more worried about the direct misogyny, sexism and > homophobia happening around us so the whole issue of someone’s dumb > distasteful name seems a little silly to me > > > On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:45, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Agreed. Total slippery slope. > > But Beat wife is literally saying punching a woman in the face. > Literally. Yes, I get the pun. I'm not impressed. > > I'm no saint. My friends and I used to have an in-house joke band called > "sucky fucky". We burned one CD-R and cut n paste Asian porn photos on it. > We thought we were hilarious. I'd like to think I'm wiser now. > > My point is, apologies if I came off as 'virtuous,' but I was trying to > make a point. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:35 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: > > they (he/record company/magazine etc) already know it's not ok..... or do > you think your disgust will be the trigger to the dawning realisation of > his mistake? o_O > > it's a name. he isn't beating wives. it's controversial. on purpose. he > won't care if you object, i'm sure there have been objections since 2010 or > whenever he started with it. > > > > > > > --

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i feel kind of funny being accused of not being outraged on social causes having dedicated my compilation appearance royalties to charitable organizations (and a couple of releases) along with helping organize a 100% for charity compilation in the past few months alone. in general the people on this list are about as woke as people can be, not to mention it’s the total wrong avenue to be picking a fight on social issues. if you wanna affect things, bloody do something instead of trying to write fancy words on the fucking idm list.

quoted 74 lines On 26 Mar 2018, at 00:15, 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 26 Mar 2018, at 00:15, 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: > > If someone is told how they should think/say/feel about a subject, even if they agree, they will likely address the fact that they’re being told how they should think/say/feel about the subject long before addressing the actual subject itself. I’m surprised that you’re surprised that you told a bunch of independent-minded muscians/music lovers how they should feel, and you got a negative reaction, even if they do agree with your sentiment. We don’t like to be told what to think/say/feel. You know this though :) > > Beatwife has the right to have whatever name he wants. Freedom of speech before all else. And you have the freedom to voice your opinion about how you feel about his name, but making declarative statements about how other people should react smells a bit funny, and will likely give you the same reaction every time. It’s not what you say, it’s how you say it. > > > > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:23 PM nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com <mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: > also very curious about that. > what would Mira Calix say? Holly Herndon? > > > > > From: Lee Swagerty <leeswagerty@gmail.com <mailto:leeswagerty@gmail.com>> > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:21 PM > To: nat hawks > Cc: Juho Hietala; Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List > Subject: Re: beatwife podcast > > This thread is hilarious.... and yeah most activity on the list in awhile. > > If only there was a woman to voice an opinion — but nope, just a sausage fest haha. > > > > > — Lee > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 4:10 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com <mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: > Is this name 'beatwife' not an example of direct misogyny? > > This is a community, and within one's own community is a great place to start. > > I went 'personal' rather quickly, totally fair... too quickly. I was just more outraged that others took the 'just don't buy the album' approach. > > > From: Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com <mailto:hietala@gmail.com>> > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 3:32 PM > To: nat hawks > Cc: Zombiefly; 22tape; IDM List > Subject: Re: beatwife podcast > > fair enough, i think your point might go over better with less attaching your own current situation to it which obviously affects your interpretation of someone’s silly stage name. it’s quite a lot of assuming. just saying it’s distasteful is quite enough i think; by all means mail him if you like to but don’t assume other people are as outraged as you are. personally i’m more worried about the direct misogyny, sexism and homophobia happening around us so the whole issue of someone’s dumb distasteful name seems a little silly to me > > >> On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:45, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com <mailto:natbot@hotmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Agreed. Total slippery slope. >> >> But Beat wife is literally saying punching a woman in the face. Literally. Yes, I get the pun. I'm not impressed. >> >> I'm no saint. My friends and I used to have an in-house joke band called "sucky fucky". We burned one CD-R and cut n paste Asian porn photos on it. We thought we were hilarious. I'd like to think I'm wiser now. >> >> My point is, apologies if I came off as 'virtuous,' but I was trying to make a point. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:35 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com <mailto:zombiefly@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> they (he/record company/magazine etc) already know it's not ok..... or do you think your disgust will be the trigger to the dawning realisation of his mistake? o_O >>> >>> it's a name. he isn't beating wives. it's controversial. on purpose. he won't care if you object, i'm sure there have been objections since 2010 or whenever he started with it. >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen <http://22tape.com/>