Thank you nat!
You are willing to discuss and reiterate, that's so cool.
But again, what if beat, is just a beat in a rhythm? Why make that rhythm
sad by hijacking its name?
Well that's what I think anyway.
Thank you for your stance!! It's noble, and I appreciate it a lot. but I
believe we sometimes gotta be emotionally disattached. It's the only way we
can change anything... Maybeat????
Big positive wave at ya
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018, 18:56 nat hawks, <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 150 lines You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent).
> You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent).
>
>
> I think I'm caught up in what's going on here in the States and feeling
> very fired up.
>
>
> You're right, I do need to take a deep breath.
>
>
> So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is
> literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives.
>
>
> I, personally, don't want violence against women to continue to be
> normalized and it makes me sad that artist names like this are still being
> used
>
>
> I'm also, again, disappointed that others don't seem to agree.
>
> Sure, I might have come on a little strong, but we need to call hate when
> we see it, I believe.,
>
>
> love you all and thanks for hearing me out!!!
>
>
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> *From:* 22tape <22tape@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:47 PM
> *To:* Zombiefly
> *Cc:* Juho Hietala; IDM List
> *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast
>
> Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else
> they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would a
> child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and
> eventually shut up.
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything as
> pathetic as this particular email thread.
> Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy shit.
> close yourself down immediately, nat hawks
>
> On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> dude. don’t be a self righteous dick.
>
>
> On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted
> to make sure this got through.)
>
> There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain
> groups.
>
>
> historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and
> open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's
> response.
>
>
> No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be
> 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a
> person with this detestable name.
>
>
> What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing
> violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide
> crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our
> power
> to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is.
>
>
> 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant,
> unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to
> know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the
> problem.
>
>
> maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a
> highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence
> against them and seen what it does to their lives.
>
>
> VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE.
>
>
> 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name.
>
> this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this.
>
>
> SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP
> FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now
> regarding this
>
>
> The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over.
>
> It's not OK.
>
>
> and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled
> against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does
> not help.
>
>
> imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion
> happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a
> female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@.
>
> I just emailed this to his label...
>
>
> "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE
> on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name.
>
> PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME.
>
> Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not
> funny.
>
> If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE
> PROBLEM.
>
> please stop helping to normalize violence against women.
>
> THANK YOU! Peace."
>
>
>
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