Ok i just saw all the other threads ahah my bad let's talk about music^^
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De : Da Beber <superdezzz@hotmail.com>
Envoyé : mercredi 28 mars 2018 11:57
À : Marcus Kreitzer; brit walker; nat hawks
Cc : Basma O; Clint Anderson; 22tape; J L; Mauro; idm@hyperreal.org
Objet : RE: beatwife podcast
Nat, I think your reaction just highlighted the general mindset people have in the US.
I have the feeling that your country is turning into an aseptic boring world because nobody wont say anything cause everybody gets easily chocked and outraged and triggered.
The way we see it from here (europe, france, living in Paris) is that all the technology surrounding us gave us a voice, a way to be heard. And unfortunately, when everybody gives their opinion, you just realise that people won't make effort on themselves, they don't blame themselves anymore, it's always the others that have to change. When you dislike something, instead of trying to understand the thing/deal with it, you just say it's bad and it must be change.
Well believe me, this mindset is just the best way to have a country full of entitled pricks that would never question themselves and would totaly freak out in front of adversity (life is not a piece of cake, as a reminder)
So i agree we have to be more tolerant, we have to take care about each other. But don't let ourselves become weak people that can't overcome challenge and are afraid of even trying to understanding why we are so easily triggered now.
B.
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De : Marcus Kreitzer <markreitzer@gmail.com>
Envoyé : lundi 26 mars 2018 07:43
À : brit walker; nat hawks
Cc : Basma O; Clint Anderson; 22tape; J L; Mauro; idm@hyperreal.org
Objet : Re: beatwife podcast
My apologies if that sent twice. I got an error from the mailer daemon the first time
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Marcus Kreitzer
On Mar 26, 2018, 1:37 AM -0400, Marcus Kreitzer <markreitzer@gmail.com>, wrote:
@nat
Well I used to date a girl in college, and we’d go to each other’s houses late at night and all that. Sometimes it would be well after dark, but neither one of us minded walking alone in a virtually crime-free college town. All was good.
Cut to the next year, we’re no longer seeing each other and I had just started seeing someone else. One night when she was supposed to come over I asked if she was walking to my place or if she wanted me to come pick her up, and she got mad at me for even thinking she would walk across town at night, stating something like “you have no idea what it’s like to be a girl walking alone at night. It’s dangerous.” I told her that I’ve had plenty of female friends who had no problem doing that sort of thing and all she had to say to that was that they were idiots. 🤷♂️
Perhaps only slightly related, but this same girl tried to compliment me (I guess?) by telling me that I’m not white (I am) because I’m Cuban (there were black slaves owned by white people in Cuba), and that I was appropriating her culture by burning incense (basically every culture in human history has used incense).
I guess the point is that people have different ideas of reality depending on the stories they subscribe to. I know some women who wouldn’t give a damn about the name beatwife and some that would flip out like you are. Maybe the ones that don’t care are privileged and have never been assaulted or whatever but I’m not so sure those things are correlated.
It seems to me that a lot of the time when somebody gets on their soapbox and preaches about social issues that they’re doing it more for themselves than anyone else.
As for my opinion, the name seems a bit distasteful but so be it. If you don’t like him don’t support him, but I think most reasonable people, victims of violence or not, wouldn’t get overly miffed about the name of a relatively esoteric musician.
Lastly, I’ll reiterate what it seems like some people are trying to say:
We don’t need to be told what to think by some self righteous ideologue, and every time you backpedal and apologize you come back looking more slimy and manipulative than you did before.
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Marcus Kreitzer