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Wed, 28 Mar 2018 23:41:40 +0800
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Re: beatwife podcast
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Prick Smasher has a real good new album out
quoted 95 lines Ok i just saw all the other threads ahah my bad let's talk about music^^> Ok i just saw all the other threads ahah my bad let's talk about music^^ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *De :* Da Beber <superdezzz@hotmail.com> > *Envoyé :* mercredi 28 mars 2018 11:57 > *À :* Marcus Kreitzer; brit walker; nat hawks > *Cc :* Basma O; Clint Anderson; 22tape; J L; Mauro; idm@hyperreal.org > *Objet :* RE: beatwife podcast > Nat, I think your reaction just highlighted the general mindset people > have in the US. > > I have the feeling that your country is turning into an aseptic boring > world because nobody wont say anything cause everybody gets easily > chocked and outraged and triggered. > > The way we see it from here (europe, france, living in Paris) is that > all the technology surrounding us gave us a voice, a way to be heard. > And unfortunately, when everybody gives their opinion, you just > realise that people won't make effort on themselves, they don't blame > themselves anymore, it's always the others that have to change. When > you dislike something, instead of trying to understand the > thing/deal with it, you just say it's bad and it must be change. > > Well believe me, this mindset is just the best way to have a country > full of entitled pricks that would never question themselves and would > totaly freak out in front of adversity (life is not a piece of cake, > as a reminder) > > So i agree we have to be more tolerant, we have to take care about > each other. But don't let ourselves become weak people that can't > overcome challenge and are afraid of even trying to understanding why > we are so easily triggered now. > > B. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *De :* Marcus Kreitzer <markreitzer@gmail.com> > *Envoyé :* lundi 26 mars 2018 07:43 > *À :* brit walker; nat hawks > *Cc :* Basma O; Clint Anderson; 22tape; J L; Mauro; idm@hyperreal.org > *Objet :* Re: beatwife podcast > My apologies if that sent twice. I got an error from the mailer daemon > the first time > > -- > Marcus Kreitzer > > On Mar 26, 2018, 1:37 AM -0400, Marcus Kreitzer > <markreitzer@gmail.com>, wrote: >> @nat >> Well I used to date a girl in college, and we’d go to each other’s >> houses late at night and all that. Sometimes it would be well after >> dark, but neither one of us minded walking alone in a virtually >> crime-free college town. All was good. >> >> Cut to the next year, we’re no longer seeing each other and I had >> just started seeing someone else. One night when she was supposed to >> come over I asked if she was walking to my place or if she wanted me >> to come pick her up, and she got mad at me for even thinking she >> would walk across town at night, stating something like “you have no >> idea what it’s like to be a girl walking alone at night. It’s >> dangerous.” I told her that I’ve had plenty of female friends who had >> no problem doing that sort of thing and all she had to say to that >> was that they were idiots. 🤷‍♂️ >> >> Perhaps only slightly related, but this same girl tried to compliment >> me (I guess?) by telling me that I’m not white (I am) because I’m >> Cuban (there were black slaves owned by white people in Cuba), and >> that I was appropriating her culture by burning incense (basically >> every culture in human history has used incense). >> >> I guess the point is that people have different ideas of reality >> depending on the stories they subscribe to. I know some women who >> wouldn’t give a damn about the name beatwife and some that would flip >> out like you are. Maybe the ones that don’t care are privileged and >> have never been assaulted or whatever but I’m not so sure those >> things are correlated. >> >> It seems to me that a lot of the time when somebody gets on their >> soapbox and preaches about social issues that they’re doing it more >> for themselves than anyone else. >> >> As for my opinion, the name seems a bit distasteful but so be it. If >> you don’t like him don’t support him, but I think most reasonable >> people, victims of violence or not, wouldn’t get overly miffed about >> the name of a relatively esoteric musician. >> >> Lastly, I’ll reiterate what it seems like some people are trying to say: >> >> We don’t need to be told what to think by some self righteous >> ideologue, and every time you backpedal and apologize you come back >> looking more slimy and manipulative than you did before. >> >> -- >> Marcus Kreitzer >> >>>>>