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From:
Zombiefly
To:
nat hawks
Cc:
22tape , Juho Hietala , IDM List
Date:
Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:35:07 +0100
Subject:
Re: beatwife podcast
Msg-Id:
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they (he/record company/magazine etc) already know it's not ok..... or do you think your disgust will be the trigger to the dawning realisation of his mistake? o_O it's a name. he isn't beating wives. it's controversial. on purpose. he won't care if you object, i'm sure there have been objections since 2010 or whenever he started with it. On 25 March 2018 at 18:30, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 198 lines But they need to know that it's not OK. I believe we need to name hate> But they need to know that it's not OK. I believe we need to name hate > when we see it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: > > i read that too, it was so stupidly unfunny that i just ignored the tool > that posted it. > > > > On 25 March 2018 at 18:24, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> "Beating wives is sometimes erotic but always fun ". ?! >> >> That is hate speech. Your sad humor is normalizing hate. And I hate it. >> >> And, honestly, everyone on this list who read that comment, was outraged, >> and didn't say anything is part of the problem. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:03 PM, 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Nat, for me, your sentiment is appreciated. I just think it's best not to >> give narcissistic provocateurs what they want-- our attention. It empowers >> them. >> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:56 AM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent). >>> >>> >>> I think I'm caught up in what's going on here in the States and feeling >>> very fired up. >>> >>> >>> You're right, I do need to take a deep breath. >>> >>> >>> So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is >>> literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives. >>> >>> >>> I, personally, don't want violence against women to continue to be >>> normalized and it makes me sad that artist names like this are still being >>> used >>> >>> >>> I'm also, again, disappointed that others don't seem to agree. >>> >>> Sure, I might have come on a little strong, but we need to call hate >>> when we see it, I believe., >>> >>> >>> love you all and thanks for hearing me out!!! >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:47 PM >>> *To:* Zombiefly >>> *Cc:* Juho Hietala; IDM List >>> *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast >>> >>> Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else >>> they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would >>> a child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and >>> eventually shut up. >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything >>> as pathetic as this particular email thread. >>> Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy >>> shit. close yourself down immediately, nat hawks >>> >>> On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. >>> >>> >>> On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted >>> to make sure this got through.) >>> >>> There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain >>> groups. >>> >>> >>> historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and >>> open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's >>> response. >>> >>> >>> No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be >>> 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a >>> person with this detestable name. >>> >>> >>> What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is >>> normalizing violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, >>> world-wide crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is >>> now in our power >>> to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. >>> >>> >>> 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, >>> unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to >>> know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the >>> problem. >>> >>> >>> maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a >>> highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence >>> against them and seen what it does to their lives. >>> >>> >>> VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. >>> >>> >>> 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. >>> >>> this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. >>> >>> >>> SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON >>> BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues >>> now regarding this >>> >>> >>> The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. >>> >>> It's not OK. >>> >>> >>> and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled >>> against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does >>> not help. >>> >>> >>> imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the >>> discussion happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i >>> was a female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to >>> @#$#$^#@. >>> >>> I just emailed this to his label... >>> >>> >>> "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE >>> on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. >>> >>> PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. >>> >>> Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not >>> funny. >>> >>> If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF >>> THE PROBLEM. >>> >>> please stop helping to normalize violence against women. >>> >>> THANK YOU! Peace." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> not sent from an iDevice >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 22tape/jared dunne >>> listen <http://22tape.com> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> 22tape/jared dunne >> listen <http://22tape.com> >> >> > > > -- > ---------------------------------------- > not sent from an iDevice > ---------------------------------------- > >
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