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At 12:43 PM 7/2/97 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 6 lines %) I take back everything I said about DJ Spooky. I saw him spin on

>> %) I take back everything I said about DJ Spooky. I saw him spin on >> Saturday, and I was blown out of the water! First half of his set >> especially, he mixed it up, kept a groove going, but managed to defy every >> expectation I had. > >I told you - he CAN rock the house, but since he wants to seem like he's

artsy,

quoted 1 line he likes to put the house to sleep way more often. When you se him spin,

>he likes to put the house to sleep way more often. When you se him spin,

make

quoted 6 lines sure it's in a lowbrow context. In a highbrow context, he will try to

>sure it's in a lowbrow context. In a highbrow context, he will try to >intellectually impress you with "ambient" music, but in a lowbrow setting he >can set your ass on fire. > >_CF >

Take it back. He sucks... But he knows his marketing, that's fer sure... He once told me that he used to try to spin at raves and parties but his mixing style just wasn't excepted... Hehehe... I wonder why. Then again, maybe I'm just a jaded New Yorker tired of all this "DJ Spooky is God" crap... Yeah, yer damn right he puts ya to sleep... Of course, it pisses me off even worse when I get like, a 3 second dance spell and then back to ambient again. Big deal, you can mix jungle, hip hop and ambient. Done right, you can mix anything - and done right, it can actually FLOW... And remember, kids, a studio can mask ANY fuckups... He sucks.

!) Has anyone heard the, um, I forget the name, something like The Land of the Fat or The Fiat of the Lame or The Fart of Liam? Comments? Reviews? How 'bout them thar lyrics? @) Did anyone see the Third Eye Foundation (Federation?)/Circuit Bible show? Does anyone know anything about Circuit Bible? I think the guy in it is named David Lidden or something that sounds similar (I just can't remember names tonight). #) I feel really stupid, but could someone give a concise and clear definition of "breakbeat?" Also, which tracks on Timeless, Torque, and the Squarepusher albums have the Amen break? Speaking of Squarepusher, I just heard the "Bum bum bum bum be dom" voice sample in some song, at about half the speed, something vaguely r+bish. $) Just got Deep Concentation, a comp of abstract hiphop/scratching on OM. Pretty good on first listen, artists include Cut Chemist, Prince Paul, X-Men, Latyrx, Peanut Butter Wolf, Wally and Swingsett. Although I haven't tried it yet, the second CD has a CD-ROM old skool beatbox/sequencer! %) I take back everything I said about DJ Spooky. I saw him spin on Saturday, and I was blown out of the water! First half of his set especially, he mixed it up, kept a groove going, but managed to defy every expectation I had. The second helf was was more beat oriented, and not as amazing, but still pretty good. I can't really comment on his technical skills, but they're good enough to let his ideas come blasting out of the speakers. OK, enough of my crap. Thanks much, Sam

KaisrSolze@aol.com wrote:

quoted 2 lines #) I feel really stupid, but could someone give a concise and clear

> #) I feel really stupid, but could someone give a concise and clear > definition of "breakbeat?"

To me, a "breakbeat" is a beat pattern traditionally used in two contexts: 1) In a song with a repeating simple beat pattern, a breakbeat is when the pattern changes slightly, like a flourish or a fill. It seems special and triumphant in a song. It sounds different from the kind of beat traditionally used in dance music, usually having some fast drum rolls, cymbals, fat pauses. Breakbeat/jungle music uses these types of beats throughout a song, and varying the beat more often than in a techno/house track. 2) A beat designed to provide a bridge between two songs in a DJ set. Actually, the two definitions are very different. Is either one right? Or both? I dunno. I like #1 better.

quoted 2 lines Also, which tracks on Timeless, Torque, and the

> Also, which tracks on Timeless, Torque, and the > Squarepusher albums have the Amen break?

Here's a question for you all: What the fuck is an Amen break? I always thought that meant a particularly triumphant flourish, but here KaisrSolze seems to refer to it like it was a particular sample or something.

quoted 4 lines %) I take back everything I said about DJ Spooky. I saw him spin on

> %) I take back everything I said about DJ Spooky. I saw him spin on > Saturday, and I was blown out of the water! First half of his set > especially, he mixed it up, kept a groove going, but managed to defy every > expectation I had.

I told you - he CAN rock the house, but since he wants to seem like he's artsy, he likes to put the house to sleep way more often. When you se him spin, make sure it's in a lowbrow context. In a highbrow context, he will try to intellectually impress you with "ambient" music, but in a lowbrow setting he can set your ass on fire. _CF

On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Christopher Fahey wrote:

quoted 6 lines Also, which tracks on Timeless, Torque, and the

> > Also, which tracks on Timeless, Torque, and the > > Squarepusher albums have the Amen break? > > Here's a question for you all: What the fuck is an Amen break? I always thought > that meant a particularly triumphant flourish, but here KaisrSolze seems to > refer to it like it was a particular sample or something.

The Amen break is taken from the song "Amen Brother" by The Winstons. I finally heard the original on a breakbeat record at a local DJ shop. The song has an upbeat 60s r&b feel w/horns and all. But about 2/3 of the way through everything stops and the drummer goes into the break that anyone who's listened to jungle has heard-- except it'll sound slow to you. Punch it up to 45rpm (or so) and then your ears will prick up. Just found a breakbeat site with a sample. http://www.loknet.demon.co.uk/leech/breakbeats.html I'm sure if you did a search for breakbeats you'll find more. Howie

Christopher Fahey writes:

quoted 1 line To me, a "breakbeat" is a beat pattern traditionally used in two contexts:

> To me, a "breakbeat" is a beat pattern traditionally used in two contexts:

[guessing deleted] a breakbeat is a sampled drum loop. sampled from a record of a real live human playing drums. that's about the size of it right there.

quoted 7 lines Also, which tracks on Timeless, Torque, and the

> > Also, which tracks on Timeless, Torque, and the > > Squarepusher albums have the Amen break? > > Here's a question for you all: What the fuck is an Amen break? I > always thought that meant a particularly triumphant flourish, but > here KaisrSolze seems to refer to it like it was a particular sample > or something.

it's a sample from "say amen brother" by the winstons. you may download it from: http://www.true-playaz.co.uk/greenroom/beatz/amen.wav it's probably the most commonly used beat in jungle/drum and bass. it's extremely versatile and it sounds like a mack truck about to run you down. it now has the dubious distinction of being as popular as the funky drummer beat (sampled from "funky drummer" by james brown) was back in the late 80's. -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com SpotMedia Communications ...I was an infinitely hot and dense dot...

On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Christopher Fahey wrote:

quoted 6 lines Also, which tracks on Timeless, Torque, and the

> > Also, which tracks on Timeless, Torque, and the > > Squarepusher albums have the Amen break? > > Here's a question for you all: What the fuck is an Amen break? I always thought > that meant a particularly triumphant flourish, but here KaisrSolze seems to > refer to it like it was a particular sample or something.

here's a sample: http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~burcham/amen.wav i dunno the exact history of it, but i seem to remember it coming from a song entitled "amen brother", hence the name... ....... "S'il vous plait, pouvez-vouz demander a la femme de chambre d'astiquer ma poignee de porte; j'attends un visiteur tres distingue."

quoted 3 lines Here's a question for you all: What the fuck is an Amen break? I always thought

> Here's a question for you all: What the fuck is an Amen break? I always thought > that meant a particularly triumphant flourish, but here KaisrSolze seems to > refer to it like it was a particular sample or something.

The "Amen" break is from a recording by the Winstons (an old soul group) called "Amen, Brother". Check the breaks web site for more info: http://www.breaks.com This break can plainly be heard in "terrorist" by Ray Keith, lots of no-u-turn stuff (usually the mad breaks once the hoover-like bass comes in), and many many others. Hope this helps, Bill -- f u t u r e listening radio show - hosted by dj marathon t h u r s d a y 10pm-1am o n wmtu 91.9 fm e l e c t r o n i c m u s i c * w i t h * s o u l http://www.hu.mtu.edu/~wdvanloo/personal/

On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Christopher Fahey wrote:

quoted 3 lines KaisrSolze@aol.com wrote:

> KaisrSolze@aol.com wrote: > > #) I feel really stupid, but could someone give a concise and clear > > definition of "breakbeat?"

My definition is a that a "breakbeat" is a certain shuffling 4/4 funk rhythm that appears to originate in the first few drum-solo measures of James Brown's "Funky Drummer" (this has been sampled a lot). This beat is also in late 60s Booker T records and in Cymande's "The Message" (70?) Solenoid

quoted 6 lines Also, which tracks on Timeless, Torque, and the

> > Also, which tracks on Timeless, Torque, and the > > Squarepusher albums have the Amen break? > > Here's a question for you all: What the fuck is an Amen break? I always thought > that meant a particularly triumphant flourish, but here KaisrSolze seems to > refer to it like it was a particular sample or something.

Feed Me wierd things track 2: Tundra.. this is the amen break, hard snares and rides, nice big crash. Also used shedloads on Alroy Road Tracks (spy-2). k.F

quoted 1 line a breakbeat is a sampled drum loop.

> a breakbeat is a sampled drum loop.

Probably called a "breakbeat" because the break is the easiest place in a song to got a clean, loopable sample from . . . -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists

On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Lazlo Nibble wrote:

quoted 1 line a breakbeat is a sampled drum loop.

> > a breakbeat is a sampled drum loop.

I disagree. A breakbeat is the same as a break, in a drum sequence. A drumloop can be a break, but a break is not the same thing as a drumloop. I can have a trancy drumloop and it wouldn't by any means be a breakbeat.

quoted 2 lines Probably called a "breakbeat" because the break is the easiest place in a song

> Probably called a "breakbeat" because the break is the easiest place in a song > to got a clean, loopable sample from . . .

hm.. perhaps, but it's called breakbeat because it's a break, it's that simple. and then breakbeat = music where the drums are made up of breaks, jungle/drum'n'bass = breakbeat at 180bpm and the breaks are more chopped up (usually)

quoted 1 line a breakbeat is a sampled drum loop.

>> a breakbeat is a sampled drum loop.

quoted 2 lines Probably called a "breakbeat" because the break is the easiest place in a

>Probably called a "breakbeat" because the break is the easiest place in a >song to got a clean, loopable sample from . . .

or, "Originating from the Bronx in the early 70's, DJ's would extend a record by mixing 2 copies of the same track, specifically at the point of a drumbreak. The record would be repeatedly cross-cut, thus extending and repeating the mix. The net result would be a live remix of the track featuring an elongated percussive 'break', created specifically to make the assembled dancers go Crazy !" (from www.breaks.com) ....... "S'il vous plait, pouvez-vouz demander a la femme de chambre d'astiquer ma poignee de porte; j'attends un visiteur tres distingue."

moth wrote:

quoted 15 lines a breakbeat is a sampled drum loop.

> > >> a breakbeat is a sampled drum loop. > > >Probably called a "breakbeat" because the break is the easiest place in a > >song to got a clean, loopable sample from . . . > > or, > > "Originating from the Bronx in the early 70's, DJ's would extend a record > by mixing 2 copies of the same track, specifically at the point of a > drumbreak. The record would be repeatedly cross-cut, thus extending and > repeating the mix. The net result would be a live remix of the track > featuring an elongated percussive 'break', created specifically to make > the assembled dancers go Crazy !" > (from www.breaks.com)

...when beat mixed or otherwise mixed on the wheels of steel or when sampled, the drum breaks are syncopated or shuffled by starting and stopping the break to funk things up. This evolution of what was originally a drum break has evolved to a ryhthm style that is frequently programmed rather than sampled. I beleive that breakbeat means a lot more today than just sampled beats. It's a particular shuffle of ryhthm.