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That article might be the worst thing ever written on IDM. mh -- Michael Heumann aboo@hauntedink.com http://www.hauntedink.com http://www.mp3.com/aboo "Well, they'll have to learn about _Tek-War_ sooner or later." Principal Skinner, "The Simpsons"

quoted 16 lines From: Andrew Hime <hime@kali.wf.net>

> From: Andrew Hime <hime@kali.wf.net> > Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 01:07:36 -0500 (CDT) > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] erm, another alternanewsweekly IDM article > > http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/2000-07-06/music3.html > > I've already emailed them about the caption on the picture. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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hmm how odd. it starts with a rant about how, basically, "we hate this 'intelligent' stuff. we want dumb dance music!" and then goes on about Various Artists, whom I never thought was that big. I mean, the remix thing was ok, and the original was decent, but enough for 1/3rd of the article? The guy sounds more like a jaded house fan than anything. I do however like how the article focuses basically on artists who use real instruments in normal ways. Because we all know that "idm" (or whatever horrid abstraction the author used) is all about being normal and predictable. It's worth a read actually, just so you can see how the guy hates Autechre so much =) When is "idm" going to get published by someone who actually listens to it? -derek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hime" <hime@kali.wf.net> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 1:07 AM Subject: [idm] erm, another alternanewsweekly IDM article

quoted 11 lines > http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/2000-07-06/music3.html > > I've already emailed them about the caption on the picture. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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I hate to add more non-content, but as an aside, since when was a remix supposed to sound just like the original? i thought the point of a remix was to mix styles, not just resequence? i know it's been hashed over before, but all the remixes i've enjoyed don't really sound much like the originals. sure, you can ID stuff (like the melodies on funkstorung's 'tried by 12' remix, and a couple focal snippets), and if you listen to the original, the remix will make more "sense", but i thought if you wanted remixes that sounded the same you'd go to Sam Goody and buy some "dance remix" single that replaces the bass guitar with a 303 [emulator]. "instant techno!" bleh. I know there are some anti-Warp people out there, but you gotta give credit where it's due :) and i do beleive Warp is UK based =) real idm content: for all those autechre fans that apparently don't understand what IDM *should* be about (*cough*sarcasm*cough), any news on a new release by the duo? it's been over a year since ep7 came out. and BoC anyone? Also, on Arovane's "Atol Scrap", track 9 "amine", which incidentally reminds me a lot of an old NES game "Xexyz", is a really beautiful song. anyone have any thoughts on what's similar to this track? Thanks again, -derek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hime" <hime@kali.wf.net> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 1:07 AM Subject: [idm] erm, another alternanewsweekly IDM article

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On Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:00:42 -0500, EggyToast wrote:

quoted 3 lines I hate to add more non-content, but as an aside, since when was a remix

>I hate to add more non-content, but as an aside, since when was a remix >supposed to sound just like the original? i thought the point of a remix >was to mix styles, not just resequence?

most people seem to confuse 'remix' with 'cover' ... the concept of covers has little meaning in most electronic music. most electronic music should be seen as we see paintings - a finished product, made the way it is because the artist intended it that way. most other music is like theatre (which i happen to love, by the way). you have a script (a score, whatever) and different musicians can do their version of it. that's a cover someone correct me if i'm wrong, but that's the way i see it. nothing wrong with either way of doing things, in my opinion, but the idea of a cover is to reproduce something, perhaps putting your spin on it. the idea of a remix is to mix something up and make something new out of it. rather post-modern. neither, i think, is better than the other. just different.

quoted 3 lines i know it's been hashed over before, but all the remixes i've enjoyed don't

>i know it's been hashed over before, but all the remixes i've enjoyed don't >really sound much like the originals. sure, you can ID stuff (like the >melodies on funkstorung's 'tried by 12' remix, and a couple focal snippets),

actually, IMO, half of the tried by 12 remxes would actually classify more as covers. i like it, but pretty much all of it just sounds like examples of what the song would sound like if so-and-so had done it. i hope this doesn't start some debate... -adam -- Adam Piontek [http://www.tcinternet.net/users/damek/] ICQ: 3456339 [damek@earthling.net] ... Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet. -- Scott Adams --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

EggyToast wrote:

quoted 4 lines hmm how odd. it starts with a rant about how, basically, "we hate this

> hmm how odd. it starts with a rant about how, basically, "we hate this > 'intelligent' stuff. we want dumb dance music!" and then goes on about > Various Artists, whom I never thought was that big. I mean, the remix thing > was ok, and the original was decent, but enough for 1/3rd of the article?

Um, considering the fact that the article was a review of _8, 8.5, 9 Remixes_ and _Niun Niggung_, that seems oddly appropriate. Besides, if anyone's deserving of a little hype, its Thorsten Proefrock...

quoted 1 line When is "idm" going to get published by someone who actually listens to it?

> When is "idm" going to get published by someone who actually listens to it?

Stop me before I kill again! -d.w. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines hmm how odd. it starts with a rant about how, basically, "we hate this

>hmm how odd. it starts with a rant about how, basically, "we hate this >'intelligent' stuff. we want dumb dance music!" and then goes on about >Various Artists, whom I never thought was that big. I mean, the remix

thing

quoted 2 lines was ok, and the original was decent, but enough for 1/3rd of the article?

>was ok, and the original was decent, but enough for 1/3rd of the article? >The guy sounds more like a jaded house fan than anything.

And, indeed, he may be. I agree that the article is weird - starts out bitching about beat-deconstructors (without really naming names, other than "The Germans") then praising 2 such artists (and Germans, moreover). Still, though - his take (privileging visceral reaction over intellectual reaction) isn't so different from, say, Simon Reynolds - who is arguably also a jaded house fan. As a house fan, and someone who's had it up to here with most "IDM" for a good long while now, I don't see what's so wrong with that perspective.

quoted 2 lines It's worth a read actually, just so you can see how the guy hates Autechre

>It's worth a read actually, just so you can see how the guy hates Autechre >so much =)

I don't really see where you drew that conclusion? He only mentions them once, no? And in that reference merely states that they don't leave much of the original intact when they remix a track. Just an observation, not really a "hatred."

quoted 1 line When is "idm" going to get published by someone who actually listens to it?

>When is "idm" going to get published by someone who actually listens to it?

Well, what are you reading? There's plenty of good journalism/criticism out there; you just have to look for it. Philip Sherburne Executive Managing Editor, Technology 510-985-7885 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Michael Upton wrote:

quoted 4 lines So if that's the state of play in New Zealand, there must be something going

> So if that's the state of play in New Zealand, there must be something going > on wherever else you lot are posting from. > > Michael

Lots being written...people just have to look for it...pick up the rags you've already counted out in the US and start checking them again... laz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

hmm. about the remixing thing and leaving or not leaving the original intact. if you want to hear the original then listen to the original. I get rather tired of hearing a song that is remixd by 10 different people and it all sounds mostly the same. why not go a little off on it. The future music Ae interview has them going on about how sometimes they are just indulging themselves. more power to'em. whatever. people do what they do and you like or not. blah. ----------

quoted 5 lines From: Philip Sherburne <philip@askjeeves.com>

>From: Philip Sherburne <philip@askjeeves.com> >To: "'idm@hyperreal.org'" <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] erm, another alternanewsweekly IDM article >Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2000, 12:45 PM >

quoted 42 lines hmm how odd. it starts with a rant about how, basically, "we hate this

>>hmm how odd. it starts with a rant about how, basically, "we hate this >>'intelligent' stuff. we want dumb dance music!" and then goes on about >>Various Artists, whom I never thought was that big. I mean, the remix > thing >>was ok, and the original was decent, but enough for 1/3rd of the article? >>The guy sounds more like a jaded house fan than anything. > > And, indeed, he may be. I agree that the article is weird - starts out > bitching about beat-deconstructors (without really naming names, other than > "The Germans") then praising 2 such artists (and Germans, moreover). Still, > though - his take (privileging visceral reaction over intellectual reaction) > isn't so different from, say, Simon Reynolds - who is arguably also a jaded > house fan. As a house fan, and someone who's had it up to here with most > "IDM" for a good long while now, I don't see what's so wrong with that > perspective. > >>It's worth a read actually, just so you can see how the guy hates Autechre >>so much =) > > I don't really see where you drew that conclusion? He only mentions them > once, no? And in that reference merely states that they don't leave much of > the original intact when they remix a track. Just an observation, not > really a "hatred." > >>When is "idm" going to get published by someone who actually listens to it? > > Well, what are you reading? There's plenty of good journalism/criticism out > there; you just have to look for it. > > > > Philip Sherburne > Executive Managing Editor, Technology > 510-985-7885 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 4 lines The guy sounds more like a jaded house fan than anything.

> >The guy sounds more like a jaded house fan than anything. > > And, indeed, he may be. I agree that the article is weird - starts out > bitching about beat-deconstructors (without really naming names, other

than

quoted 1 line "The Germans") then praising 2 such artists (and Germans, moreover).

> "The Germans") then praising 2 such artists (and Germans, moreover).

Still,

quoted 1 line though - his take (privileging visceral reaction over intellectual

> though - his take (privileging visceral reaction over intellectual

reaction)

quoted 1 line isn't so different from, say, Simon Reynolds - who is arguably also a

> isn't so different from, say, Simon Reynolds - who is arguably also a

jaded

quoted 3 lines house fan. As a house fan, and someone who's had it up to here with most

> house fan. As a house fan, and someone who's had it up to here with most > "IDM" for a good long while now, I don't see what's so wrong with that > perspective.

Oh, it's not that there's anything wrong with it, I just get the impression that this particular reviewer masks that fact, or at least tries to, with the introductions in the article. I just usually assume, not necessarily correctly, that most reviews work best when people are fans of a genre. Obviously it can't be someone who just likes anything, but, for example, most reviews of 'techno' by 'rock' fans will come off being whiney, and most reviews of "country" will sound derogatory by anyone but a country fan :)

quoted 1 line It's worth a read actually, just so you can see how the guy hates

> >It's worth a read actually, just so you can see how the guy hates

Autechre

quoted 4 lines so much =)

> >so much =) > > I don't really see where you drew that conclusion? He only mentions them > once, no? And in that reference merely states that they don't leave much

of

quoted 2 lines the original intact when they remix a track. Just an observation, not

> the original intact when they remix a track. Just an observation, not > really a "hatred."

well from the introductions when he was talking about how they often don't even make a beat easy, and stuff like that. he probably doesn't *hate* them, but i'm sure he's one of the people who thought ep7 was dumb. =)

quoted 1 line When is "idm" going to get published by someone who actually listens to

> >When is "idm" going to get published by someone who actually listens to

it?

quoted 2 lines Well, what are you reading? There's plenty of good journalism/criticism

> > Well, what are you reading? There's plenty of good journalism/criticism

out

quoted 1 line there; you just have to look for it.

> there; you just have to look for it.

that would explain it! yes, i know there are a fair number of "idm" magazines written by people "in the know", and things like forcefield are a prime example. it just seems that there is a plethora of reviews by people for non-idmish magazines [sic] and they always seem to be either derogatory (just a little :) ) or way off. i dono. anywho cheers, -derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org