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2004-02-15 11:59Edward Morbius [idm] Better than Reason
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├─ 2004-02-15 20:39Keith Duncan Re: [idm] Better than Reason
├─ 2004-02-15 20:56wil maurer Re: [idm] Better than Reason
│ └─ 2004-02-15 21:04huntley miller Re: [idm] Better than Reason
│ └─ 2004-02-15 23:11forel Re: [idm] Better than Reason
└─ 2004-02-15 22:58Charles Freeman Re: [idm] Better than Reason
└─ 2004-02-16 19:47wallace winfrey Re: [idm] Better than Reason
2004-02-15 18:31instruction shuttle Re: [idm] Better than Reason
└─ 2004-02-15 20:52Kent williams Re: [idm] Better than Reason
2004-02-15 19:48Nth 808 Re: [idm] Better than Reason
2004-02-15 19:49Greg Baker Re: [idm] Better than Reason
2004-02-15 21:12instruction shuttle Re: [idm] Better than Reason
2004-02-15 21:18Matthew Richmond Re: [idm] Better than Reason
2004-02-16 20:41Marc Hermann Fw: [idm] Better than Reason
└─ 2004-02-17 04:24Charles Freeman Re: Fw: [idm] Better than Reason
└─ 2004-02-17 18:25wallace winfrey Re: Fw: [idm] Better than Reason
2004-02-17 18:59AllYourBetas Re: [idm] Better than Reason
2004-02-18 00:43Jonathan DeRouchie Fw: [idm] Better than Reason
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2004-02-15 11:59Edward MorbiusAny experienced composers out there that can suggest some software or combinations of soft
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Any experienced composers out there that can suggest some software or combinations of software. I just started out with Reason 2.5 but it leaves things still sounding a bit thin... Thanks and Happy Love Day!!! _________________________________________________________________ Optimize your Internet experience to the max with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-02-15 20:08SokelAIt depends on your operating system. If you`re using Windows and already Reason I`d sugges
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It depends on your operating system. If you`re using Windows and already Reason I`d suggest you let Reason run as a rewireclient together with Cubase. I was just experimenting with that combination and I really like it. You´ve got all the posibilities of Cubase SX together with the easy-to-use software of Reason. Sok Edward Morbius wrote:
quoted 18 lines Any experienced composers out there that can suggest some software or> Any experienced composers out there that can suggest some software or > combinations of software. > I just started out with Reason 2.5 but it leaves things still sounding > a bit thin... > > Thanks and Happy Love Day!!! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Optimize your Internet experience to the max with the new MSN Premium > Internet Software. > http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2004-02-15 20:39Keith DuncanHello Edward, can't imagine an inherent reason (hehe) why things sound thin. unless you're
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Hello Edward, can't imagine an inherent reason (hehe) why things sound thin. unless you're using a really bad sound card. personally i prefer FLStudio (previously known as Fruityloops) for lots of reasons, but primarily because it supports vst natively. it's utterly rubbish for multi-tracking but for internal sequencing it's fab. there's so many amazing quality vst synths/effects nowadays, once you're bought flstudio the sky's the limit. cheers kyf Sunday, February 15, 2004, 11:59:39 AM, you wrote: EM> Any experienced composers out there that can suggest some software or EM> combinations of software. EM> I just started out with Reason 2.5 but it leaves things still sounding a bit EM> thin... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-02-15 20:56wil maurerI don't know about 'experienced composer' but i've been making music out of samples & soun
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I don't know about 'experienced composer' but i've been making music out of samples & sounds from old records on my mac laptop for a few years now, and I've worked out a decent system for getting the job done... reason is a good program, but it has its problems - limited effects, cluttered interface, and the tendency to sound rather flat. The problem with the flatness, i've noticed, can be fixed by individually exporting each audio track from reason and mixing them down in another program. for some strange reason, reason (no pun intended) does a terrible job when you try to export a whole project as a single audio track - if you've set up send effects on the mixer that affect more than one track (like, for instance, running compression on two drum kits from the same effects unit) then the degradation is a bit worse - it sounds a million times better if the tracks are exported individually - when you do this it's also important to use the mute button (not the solo) to block out tracks, because you may lose your effects by using the solo button. since I don't actually play any instruments, I usually cut up the sounds I want to use in Recycle, then arrange the samples in Reason (I really like the rex sequencer). As I build each few bars of the song, I export loops, then arrange the loops in ableton live, which sounds better as a whole and lets you use vst effects, time-stretching & whatnot. When I've got the song sounding exactly how I want it to, I export the individual tracks and mix them down in another program. Right now I use cubase, but i'd rather use something like Deck if I could get a working copy for osx. It's also important to have a good sound editor (I use Peak G4+) so you can edit the tracks exported from reason and make them sound better, normalize, remove noise or whatever. of course, if I was a real pro, i'd just do the whole thing in logic or cubase, but, uh, i don't know how - those programs kind of confuse me. hope this is helpful -Wil M. --- Edward Morbius <morbius445@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 16 lines Any experienced composers out there that can suggest some software or> Any experienced composers out there that can suggest some software or > combinations of software. > I just started out with Reason 2.5 but it leaves things still sounding a bit > thin... > > Thanks and Happy Love Day!!! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Optimize your Internet experience to the max with the new MSN Premium > Internet Software. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2004-02-15 21:04huntley millerthere is a yahoo group called idm-making where these things are discussed. Huntley --- wil
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there is a yahoo group called idm-making where these things are discussed. Huntley --- wil maurer <battleforitaly@yahoo.com> wrote:
quoted 6 lines I don't know about 'experienced composer' but i've> I don't know about 'experienced composer' but i've > been making music out of > samples & sounds from old records on my mac laptop > for a few years now, and > I've worked out a decent system for getting the job > done...
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2004-02-15 23:11forelActually, there is no longer such yahoo group. We were plagued with spam up the wazoo, and
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Actually, there is no longer such yahoo group. We were plagued with spam up the wazoo, and have since moved the list to ampfea.org. Sign up through the website. forel elitist fuck On Feb 15, 2004, at 4:04 PM, huntley miller wrote:
quoted 26 lines there is a yahoo group called idm-making where these> there is a yahoo group called idm-making where these > things are discussed. > Huntley > > --- wil maurer <battleforitaly@yahoo.com> wrote: >> I don't know about 'experienced composer' but i've >> been making music out of >> samples & sounds from old records on my mac laptop >> for a few years now, and >> I've worked out a decent system for getting the job >> done... > > > > ===== > http://www.cepiamusic.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2004-02-15 22:58Charles Freemanif you're getting to the point with your music where reason is limiting you I would sugges
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if you're getting to the point with your music where reason is limiting you I would suggest using Cubase SX2 and lots of plugins. all the Native Instruments products are really top notch. my arsenal includes Reaktor 4, Absynth, Pro-54, Tassman, plus many more. for drums I just got Intakt, a NI loop machine which does all the cool stuff that Dr. Rex does plus much more. also for drums sometimes I like to just sequence them as wav files in Cubase. this allows you to simply right click on any given kick drum, snare or high-hat and do a variety of operations to it such as reverse, apply VST effects, time stretch and pitch shift. I still like and use some of the Reason mods but I sequence it all from Cubase so as to eliminate the confusion of using 2 separate sequencers for the same project. also one thing that can help with Reason is to run each mod to it's own rewire channel. this allows you to use EQs and VST effects which are much higher quality then their Reason counterparts. Also that way you can do all your mixing in Cubase and not have to deal with the reason mixer. hope this helps, ~Charles http://groundchuck.net --- Edward Morbius <morbius445@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 18 lines Any experienced composers out there that can suggest some software or> Any experienced composers out there that can suggest some software or > combinations of software. > I just started out with Reason 2.5 but it leaves things still sounding a > bit > thin... > > Thanks and Happy Love Day!!! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Optimize your Internet experience to the max with the new MSN Premium > Internet Software. > http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2004-02-16 19:47wallace winfreyOn Sun, 15 Feb 2004, Charles Freeman wrote: > for drums I just got Intakt, a NI loop machi
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, Charles Freeman wrote:
quoted 2 lines for drums I just got Intakt, a NI loop machine which does all the cool> for drums I just got Intakt, a NI loop machine which does all the cool > stuff that Dr. Rex does plus much more.
It's also essentially a rip-off of Phatmatik Pro, and a really, really blatant one at that. Shame on NI. w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-02-15 18:31instruction shuttlei have used reason 2.5 as well....pretty neato and easy to create sounds...the samplers in
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i have used reason 2.5 as well....pretty neato and easy to create sounds...the samplers in reason are way cool. i just bought reaktor 4 and i am IN LOVE with it! it is basically a modular synth/effects/sampling environment that allows you COMPLETE control over all aspects of your sound design. the learning curve is a little steep, but i am figuring it out. www.nativeinstruments.com good luck! +()Dd www.astromass.com On Sunday, February 15, 2004, at 03:59AM, Edward Morbius <morbius445@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 18 lines Any experienced composers out there that can suggest some software or>Any experienced composers out there that can suggest some software or >combinations of software. >I just started out with Reason 2.5 but it leaves things still sounding a bit >thin... > >Thanks and Happy Love Day!!! > >_________________________________________________________________ >Optimize your Internet experience to the max with the new MSN Premium >Internet Software. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >
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2004-02-15 20:52Kent williamsTo use Reason effectively, you need to use lots of compressors and EQ to give your sounds
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To use Reason effectively, you need to use lots of compressors and EQ to give your sounds the dimensions they need. I think you're right that there's a certain flatness to things you do with Reason using the most straightforward techniques. But hey, if you're still starting out, you really don't have the background in production to get it to sit up and bark. It wouldn't hurt to spend a few afternoons at a good library reading Electronic Musician, EQ, Tape Op, and Keyboard, for some good tutorials on sound and mixing. I wouldn't give up on Reason until you are really on top of how it works. On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, instruction shuttle wrote:
quoted 8 lines i have used reason 2.5 as well....pretty neato and easy to create sounds...> i have used reason 2.5 as well....pretty neato and easy to create sounds... > > >Any experienced composers out there that can suggest some software or > >combinations of software. > >I just started out with Reason 2.5 but it leaves things still sounding a bit > >thin... > > > >Thanks and Happy Love Day!!!
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2004-02-15 19:48Nth 808Reaktor 4 is one of my favorites too for software sound design and open format, sim. to no
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Reaktor 4 is one of my favorites too for software sound design and open format, sim. to nord modular meets labview..also if you use your own samples or into that kind of manipulation, abelton live is well thought out, designable and adaptable to live sequencing needs and manipulation in real time through midi triggers, keyboard etc..these are the two programs i get a lot of enjoyment using in strict laptop performance but i normally use other hardware/software in studio and performance. Nth
quoted 16 lines i have used reason 2.5 as well....pretty neato and easy to create> i have used reason 2.5 as well....pretty neato and easy to create >sounds...the samplers in reason are way cool. i just bought reaktor 4 and >i am IN LOVE with it! it is basically a modular synth/effects/sampling >environment that allows you COMPLETE control over all aspects of your sound >design. the learning curve is a little steep, but i am figuring it out. >www.nativeinstruments.com >good luck! +()Dd >www.astromass.com >On Sunday, February 15, 2004, at 03:59AM, Edward Morbius ><morbius445@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >Any experienced composers out there that can suggest some software or > >combinations of software. > >I just started out with Reason 2.5 but it leaves things still sounding a >bit > >thin...
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2004-02-15 19:49Greg Bakeri havent ever heard of a piece of native instruments software that wasnt the best thing ev
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i havent ever heard of a piece of native instruments software that wasnt the best thing ever, plus you can link reason into all other propellerhead/steinberg software, http://www.steinberg.net/en/index.php, http://www.propellerheads.se/ like cubase, which is fun, but raw materials' tracktion is what i've been using lately. it has a "rewire" link just like cubase, but i think its super slick software. only thing i dont like about it is it doesnt directly encode to mp3, but its only one more step in finalizing process of a track, so whatever. http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/
quoted 1 line i have used reason 2.5 as well....pretty neato and easy to create> i have used reason 2.5 as well....pretty neato and easy to create
sounds...the samplers in reason are way cool. i just bought reaktor 4 and i am IN LOVE with it! it is basically a modular synth/effects/sampling environment that allows you COMPLETE control over all aspects of your sound design. the learning curve is a little steep, but i am figuring it out.
quoted 4 lines www.nativeinstruments.com> www.nativeinstruments.com > good luck! +()Dd > www.astromass.com > On Sunday, February 15, 2004, at 03:59AM, Edward Morbius
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quoted 4 lines Any experienced composers out there that can suggest some software or> > >Any experienced composers out there that can suggest some software or > >combinations of software. > >I just started out with Reason 2.5 but it leaves things still sounding a
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quoted 3 lines thin...> >thin... > > > >Thanks and Happy Love Day!!!
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2004-02-15 21:12instruction shuttleableton live 3.0 is ultra FANTASTIC! however, i wish there was any easier way to route aud
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ableton live 3.0 is ultra FANTASTIC! however, i wish there was any easier way to route audio into LIVE from Reaktor. I know one can use Bidule, but that just makes things TOO complicated. Has anyone tried cylcing 74's soundflower to route non-rewire instruments into live 3.0? thanks, +()Dd www.astromass.com On Sunday, February 15, 2004, at 11:48AM, Nth 808 <nth808@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 43 lines Reaktor 4 is one of my favorites too for software sound design and open>Reaktor 4 is one of my favorites too for software sound design and open >format, sim. to nord modular meets labview..also if you use your own samples >or into that kind of manipulation, abelton live is well thought out, >designable and adaptable to live sequencing needs and manipulation in real >time through midi triggers, keyboard etc..these are the two programs i get a >lot of enjoyment using in strict laptop performance but i normally use other >hardware/software in studio and performance. >Nth >> i have used reason 2.5 as well....pretty neato and easy to create >>sounds...the samplers in reason are way cool. i just bought reaktor 4 and >>i am IN LOVE with it! it is basically a modular synth/effects/sampling >>environment that allows you COMPLETE control over all aspects of your sound >>design. the learning curve is a little steep, but i am figuring it out. >>www.nativeinstruments.com >>good luck! +()Dd >>www.astromass.com >>On Sunday, February 15, 2004, at 03:59AM, Edward Morbius >><morbius445@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >Any experienced composers out there that can suggest some software or >> >combinations of software. >> >I just started out with Reason 2.5 but it leaves things still sounding a >>bit >> >thin... > >exponential media network >po box 19553 >seattle, wa 98109 >206.283.2179 / 206.669.1952 >nth808@hotmail.com >exponentialmedia-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Optimize your Internet experience to the max with the new MSN Premium >Internet Software. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >
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2004-02-15 21:18Matthew RichmondI use reason for beats in synch cubase for recording waves. I also get "thick" beats by us
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I use reason for beats in synch cubase for recording waves. I also get "thick" beats by using the effects found in reason. try putting the distortion, reverb and delay effects on a beat. play around with that. the only thing I should mention about reason is, if you use the pre-designed beats, you will limit yourself. people will recognize that you used reason and it will sound less professional to other reason users. I recommend making up your own original beats to impress the hardcore reason users. Matt Arrrh! ----Original Message Follows---- From: Kent williams <kent@avalon.net> To: "i'd do mary" <idm@hyperreal.org> Subject: Re: [idm] Better than Reason Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:52:08 -0600 (CST) To use Reason effectively, you need to use lots of compressors and EQ to give your sounds the dimensions they need. I think you're right that there's a certain flatness to things you do with Reason using the most straightforward techniques. But hey, if you're still starting out, you really don't have the background in production to get it to sit up and bark. It wouldn't hurt to spend a few afternoons at a good library reading Electronic Musician, EQ, Tape Op, and Keyboard, for some good tutorials on sound and mixing. I wouldn't give up on Reason until you are really on top of how it works. On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, instruction shuttle wrote: > i have used reason 2.5 as well....pretty neato and easy to create sounds... > > >Any experienced composers out there that can suggest some software or > >combinations of software. > >I just started out with Reason 2.5 but it leaves things still sounding a bit > >thin... > > > >Thanks and Happy Love Day!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-02-16 20:41Marc Hermanndamn right ! phatmatik pro does the job much better than intakt IMO. http://www.bitshiftau
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damn right ! phatmatik pro does the job much better than intakt IMO. http://www.bitshiftaudio.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "wallace winfrey" <wally@booyaka.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Better than Reason
quoted 17 lines On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, Charles Freeman wrote:> On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, Charles Freeman wrote: > > > for drums I just got Intakt, a NI loop machine which does all the cool > > stuff that Dr. Rex does plus much more. > > It's also essentially a rip-off of Phatmatik Pro, and a really, really > blatant one at that. > > Shame on NI. > > w > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2004-02-17 04:24Charles FreemanI hadn't heard of it before. looks similar. maybe I'll check it. what's different/better a
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I hadn't heard of it before. looks similar. maybe I'll check it. what's different/better about it? --- Marc Hermann <rephlex@gmx.ch> wrote:
quoted 37 lines damn right !> damn right ! > > phatmatik pro does the job much better than intakt IMO. > > http://www.bitshiftaudio.com/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wallace winfrey" <wally@booyaka.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 8:47 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] Better than Reason > > > > On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, Charles Freeman wrote: > > > > > for drums I just got Intakt, a NI loop machine which does all the > cool > > > stuff that Dr. Rex does plus much more. > > > > It's also essentially a rip-off of Phatmatik Pro, and a really, really > > > blatant one at that. > > > > Shame on NI. > > > > w > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2004-02-17 18:25wallace winfreyOn Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Charles Freeman wrote: > I hadn't heard of it before. looks similar.
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Charles Freeman wrote:
quoted 2 lines I hadn't heard of it before. looks similar. maybe I'll check it. what's> I hadn't heard of it before. looks similar. maybe I'll check it. what's > different/better about it?
It's got about the same feature set, but the reason to use it instead of Intakt is because Bitshift Audio is a small software company that came up with the original idea. Users shouldn't be rewarding larger companies that mine smaller companies' ideas. The difference is ultimately one of ethical aesthetics, which may or may not count to some people. To me it does, but then again, I work for a small audio software company, so my views are biased. cheers w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-02-17 18:59AllYourBetasWhat programs do you all recommend for a total beginner? I've been listening to electronic
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What programs do you all recommend for a total beginner? I've been listening to electronic music for many years and I'm now at that point where I'm itching to make some sounds of my own... obviously as one gets better at this they move to more advanced programs, but for someone just starting, what's a good app? ----- Original Message ----- From: "wallace winfrey" <wally@booyaka.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [idm] Better than Reason
quoted 22 lines On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Charles Freeman wrote:> On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Charles Freeman wrote: > > > I hadn't heard of it before. looks similar. maybe I'll check it. what's > > different/better about it? > > It's got about the same feature set, but the reason to use it instead of > Intakt is because Bitshift Audio is a small software company that came up > with the original idea. Users shouldn't be rewarding larger companies that > mine smaller companies' ideas. The difference is ultimately one of ethical > aesthetics, which may or may not count to some people. To me it does, but > then again, I work for a small audio software company, so my views are > biased. > > cheers > > w > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2004-02-18 00:43Jonathan DeRouchiespeaking of percussion looping tools ya might want to check out reflex? got it in my vst f
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speaking of percussion looping tools ya might want to check out reflex? got it in my vst folder... ps... designed by andre estermann (cloinc/MAS) http://www.basementarts.de/ snx ---- damn right ! phatmatik pro does the job much better than intakt IMO. http://www.bitshiftaudio.com/