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------------------------------------------------ Start of daeta32 buffer: Wed Oct 08 10:25:21 2003 daeta32: hey man.. daeta32: what do you think of the new lfo album? StaticBeats: i think the ordering of the tracks is strange StaticBeats: i like some of the tracks StaticBeats: but nothing is groundbreaking or different from anything else out there StaticBeats: "the return of LFO" it is not daeta32: so the new lfo.. StaticBeats: yeah daeta32: it thinks its' fucking dope.. daeta32: i really really like it.. StaticBeats: cool :) daeta32: as far as groundbreaking.. daeta32: you can't apply that word to idm.. StaticBeats: i havent listened to it straight through more than one time daeta32: at least in my opinion.. StaticBeats: good point daeta32: there hasn't been a groundbreaking idm release in like two years.. daeta32: ever since the whole cutup hiphop phase that prefuse and machine drum and dabrye started.. StaticBeats: wert StaticBeats: i like the new luke vibert dude daeta32: i don't. daeta32: haha.. StaticBeats: its like classic acid techno daeta32: it's too generic sounding to me.. daeta32: it sounds too much like it could be anybody.. daeta32: and it's a bit too polished... daeta32: i used to be obsessed with vibert man.. daeta32: i mean totally obsessed.. StaticBeats: ha ha daeta32: and i loved his music for a few reasons.. daeta32: and those reasons don't exist in his music any more.. daeta32: i have a theory that he's being lazy, but he's playing it off like he's trying to put out revival albums.. StaticBeats: ha ha daeta32: like his amen andrews 12"s and the new I love acid cd... StaticBeats: the quintessential stoner daeta32: i'm serious man.. StaticBeats: i believe it daeta32: i've hung out with him three times... daeta32: and the first two times.. daeta32: it was for over three or four hours... daeta32: and it wasn't at a music venue.. daeta32: and i can tell you first hand, that the man is lazy.. daeta32: and he just can't care less at times.. daeta32: if you saw his performance at the warp show in la you would be pissed. daeta32: as far as i'm concerned, he hasn't made a really great vibert release since big soup... daeta32: everything after that was so gimmicky and polished sounding.. StaticBeats: ha ha StaticBeats: the critic daeta32: the releases he put out before that sounded like he made them in his bedroom.. daeta32: and they were almost unfinished.. they had a warm charm to them.. daeta32: even his plug material.. daeta32: now he sounds like 100 other artists.. StaticBeats: oh cmon you cant diss plug daeta32: i'm not.. StaticBeats: that shit was fucking dope when it came out StaticBeats: i havent even heard big soup daeta32: i meant even his plug material was fucking insanely good. StaticBeats: i have it on vinyl StaticBeats: ah daeta32: big soup was it.. daeta32: it went into orbit dude.. daeta32: he took his style to a point where many didn't even get it.. daeta32: anything after has sounded like a poor example of what he's capable of.. daeta32: he had a sound, those popping drums that sounded like they'd be lightly compressed, those melodies that lingered on and on, those samples from weird films., all gone in the last three years. StaticBeats: wow. those are some pretty harsh words man StaticBeats: you should write a review of the album daeta32: i was a huge fan... daeta32: i'm serious.. daeta32: dude, at one point, there was like a two year stretch that he was my favorite artist of all time.. daeta32: i've got vibert tracks so rare that they weren't even initially on his disography... daeta32: i went through hell to get some of that shit too.. daeta32: haha.. daeta32: that was then.. daeta32: when i'd die to just hear one more track of his.. StaticBeats: and now ? daeta32: i get his releases and i feel like he's not trying.. daeta32: i almost didn't even get his new cd.. StaticBeats: wow daeta32: it's just not exciting any more.. daeta32: for me.. getting a new aphex album is still exciting... StaticBeats: time to move on ... ? StaticBeats: hell yes daeta32: getting a new autechre album is still exciting.. StaticBeats: Drukqs rocked my twat daeta32: and my opinion? StaticBeats: as did men 1 daeta32: paradinas and vibert are done. StaticBeats: Men 1 hit my clit StaticBeats: yeah i agree with that daeta32: unless they start putting some effort into their releases, i'm not buying any more. StaticBeats: but it will still sell because of their names daeta32: of course. StaticBeats: well then, in the "biz" thats what matters daeta32: bands like radiohead can put out three chord crap for their next 10 releases and it'll sell 3 million copies cause they have such a hardcore fanbase. StaticBeats: yup StaticBeats: have you heard the new otto von schirach - chopped zombie fungus ? StaticBeats: its fucking dope StaticBeats: hella noisy daeta32: nope.. daeta32: dude. daeta32: this conversation should be posted to the idm list. daeta32: haha daeta32: that was some heavy talking. StaticBeats: okie StaticBeats: brb End of daeta32 buffer: Wed Oct 08 10:25:21 2003 ------------------------------------------------ Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com > Electronic Music > Digital Culture http://www.boomboombap.com > First Come > First Heard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I think IDM is bullshit but I like a lot of the music :) With Kind regards Lee Stacey Email : lee@codeaudio.com Tel : +44 (0) 1444 870794 Mob : +44 (0) 7734 414385 -----Original Message----- From: StaticBeats [mailto:minimalism@staticbeats.com] Sent: 08 October 2003 18:43 To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] IDM is neither Intelligent nor Dance. Discuss ------------------------------------------------ Start of daeta32 buffer: Wed Oct 08 10:25:21 2003 daeta32: hey man.. daeta32: what do you think of the new lfo album? StaticBeats: i think the ordering of the tracks is strange StaticBeats: i like some of the tracks StaticBeats: but nothing is groundbreaking or different from anything else out there StaticBeats: "the return of LFO" it is not daeta32: so the new lfo.. StaticBeats: yeah daeta32: it thinks its' fucking dope.. daeta32: i really really like it.. StaticBeats: cool :) daeta32: as far as groundbreaking.. daeta32: you can't apply that word to idm.. StaticBeats: i havent listened to it straight through more than one time daeta32: at least in my opinion.. StaticBeats: good point daeta32: there hasn't been a groundbreaking idm release in like two years.. daeta32: ever since the whole cutup hiphop phase that prefuse and machine drum and dabrye started.. StaticBeats: wert StaticBeats: i like the new luke vibert dude daeta32: i don't. daeta32: haha.. StaticBeats: its like classic acid techno daeta32: it's too generic sounding to me.. daeta32: it sounds too much like it could be anybody.. daeta32: and it's a bit too polished... daeta32: i used to be obsessed with vibert man.. daeta32: i mean totally obsessed.. StaticBeats: ha ha daeta32: and i loved his music for a few reasons.. daeta32: and those reasons don't exist in his music any more.. daeta32: i have a theory that he's being lazy, but he's playing it off like he's trying to put out revival albums.. StaticBeats: ha ha daeta32: like his amen andrews 12"s and the new I love acid cd... StaticBeats: the quintessential stoner daeta32: i'm serious man.. StaticBeats: i believe it daeta32: i've hung out with him three times... daeta32: and the first two times.. daeta32: it was for over three or four hours... daeta32: and it wasn't at a music venue.. daeta32: and i can tell you first hand, that the man is lazy.. daeta32: and he just can't care less at times.. daeta32: if you saw his performance at the warp show in la you would be pissed. daeta32: as far as i'm concerned, he hasn't made a really great vibert release since big soup... daeta32: everything after that was so gimmicky and polished sounding.. StaticBeats: ha ha StaticBeats: the critic daeta32: the releases he put out before that sounded like he made them in his bedroom.. daeta32: and they were almost unfinished.. they had a warm charm to them.. daeta32: even his plug material.. daeta32: now he sounds like 100 other artists.. StaticBeats: oh cmon you cant diss plug daeta32: i'm not.. StaticBeats: that shit was fucking dope when it came out StaticBeats: i havent even heard big soup daeta32: i meant even his plug material was fucking insanely good. StaticBeats: i have it on vinyl StaticBeats: ah daeta32: big soup was it.. daeta32: it went into orbit dude.. daeta32: he took his style to a point where many didn't even get it.. daeta32: anything after has sounded like a poor example of what he's capable of.. daeta32: he had a sound, those popping drums that sounded like they'd be lightly compressed, those melodies that lingered on and on, those samples from weird films., all gone in the last three years. StaticBeats: wow. those are some pretty harsh words man StaticBeats: you should write a review of the album daeta32: i was a huge fan... daeta32: i'm serious.. daeta32: dude, at one point, there was like a two year stretch that he was my favorite artist of all time.. daeta32: i've got vibert tracks so rare that they weren't even initially on his disography... daeta32: i went through hell to get some of that shit too.. daeta32: haha.. daeta32: that was then.. daeta32: when i'd die to just hear one more track of his.. StaticBeats: and now ? daeta32: i get his releases and i feel like he's not trying.. daeta32: i almost didn't even get his new cd.. StaticBeats: wow daeta32: it's just not exciting any more.. daeta32: for me.. getting a new aphex album is still exciting... StaticBeats: time to move on ... ? StaticBeats: hell yes daeta32: getting a new autechre album is still exciting.. StaticBeats: Drukqs rocked my twat daeta32: and my opinion? StaticBeats: as did men 1 daeta32: paradinas and vibert are done. StaticBeats: Men 1 hit my clit StaticBeats: yeah i agree with that daeta32: unless they start putting some effort into their releases, i'm not buying any more. StaticBeats: but it will still sell because of their names daeta32: of course. StaticBeats: well then, in the "biz" thats what matters daeta32: bands like radiohead can put out three chord crap for their next 10 releases and it'll sell 3 million copies cause they have such a hardcore fanbase. StaticBeats: yup StaticBeats: have you heard the new otto von schirach - chopped zombie fungus ? StaticBeats: its fucking dope StaticBeats: hella noisy daeta32: nope.. daeta32: dude. daeta32: this conversation should be posted to the idm list. daeta32: haha daeta32: that was some heavy talking. StaticBeats: okie StaticBeats: brb End of daeta32 buffer: Wed Oct 08 10:25:21 2003 ------------------------------------------------ Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com > Electronic Music > Digital Culture http://www.boomboombap.com > First Come > First Heard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 29/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 29/09/2003 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I hope we've already accepted these premises and moved on. There's definitely an uncharacteristic revival aspect going on in "IDM" circles, but i guess that depends on what you consider "IDM". Vibert's on Warp, which makes him IDM by default in people's eyes, even if he's doing jungle singles that wouldn't have stood out at all in 1994. Then there's sort of that mini acid-throwback thing. It doesn't matter to me really, but its an observation. I think it come more from problems with language or naming more than any problem with music. Any reviews of the new Richard Devine yet? I'm going to post the info for the Pittsburgh date for the Schematic Tour soon. Its hard to imagine how insane that's going to be.... - cutups ----- Original Message ----- From: "StaticBeats" <minimalism@staticbeats.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:42 PM Subject: [idm] IDM is neither Intelligent nor Dance. Discuss

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> ------------------------------------------------ > Start of daeta32 buffer: Wed Oct 08 10:25:21 2003 > daeta32: hey man.. > daeta32: what do you think of the new lfo album? > StaticBeats: i think the ordering of the tracks is strange > StaticBeats: i like some of the tracks

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Yes, the subject line was a joke obviously. Good point about the Vibert singles being jungle. I run an "IDM" webcast and the Amen Andrews stuff in no way fits with my playlist. IDM as an acid throwback does make more sense though since it's rooted in the classics. Your point about the problems with naming and language goes back to your first line. It seems like releases from particular artists get summarily pigeonholed into a certain genre simply because of the artist's prior output. Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com > Electronic Music > Digital Culture http://www.boomboombap.com > First Come > First Heard The following message was sent by "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> on Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:29:08 -0400.

quoted 9 lines I hope we've already accepted these premises and moved on.

> I hope we've already accepted these premises and moved on. > > There's definitely an uncharacteristic revival aspect going on > in "IDM" circles, but i guess that depends on what you consider > "IDM". Vibert's on Warp, which makes him IDM by default > in people's eyes, even if he's doing jungle singles that wouldn't > have stood out at all in 1994. Then there's sort of that mini > acid-throwback > thing.

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quoted 4 lines There's definitely an uncharacteristic revival aspect going on

>There's definitely an uncharacteristic revival aspect going on >in "IDM" circles, but i guess that depends on what you consider >"IDM". Vibert's on Warp, which makes him IDM by default >in people's eyes,

heh. where does that leave broadcast and vincent gallo?

quoted 3 lines It doesn't matter to me really, but its an observation.

>It doesn't matter to me really, but its an observation. >I think it come more from problems with language or naming >more than any problem with music.

i agree there. since IDM is such a misnomer anyway i don't see a reason to quibble about the differences between some bubbly analogish confection on morr music and the latest number-crunching glitchfest on warp or distorted electro from the ant-zen/hymen stable. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I think it leaves Vincent Gallo and Broadcast in the "Indie Rock" category. And as for Luke Vibert, I really can't understand the previously made comments about how he has "fallen off" and gotten lazy. I like his older stuff, but I was never the biggest fan until the recent stuff like his planet my output and the new warp album. I cannot stop listening to YosepH, and whenever I play out electro or breaks sets I always include a couple of Luke's acid or ravey-style tracks, which never cease to make a whole shedload of people get up and start dancing (including many girls that would not dance to much other "IDM"). Also, his production techniques are immaculate. He's got the deepest, most punching bass, and the music sounds incredible loud. From my experience, the "bedroom sound" does not typically encourage people to start dancing. And there are my three cents.

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>From: chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] IDM is neither Intelligent nor Dance. Discuss >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:55:57 -0400 > >>There's definitely an uncharacteristic revival aspect going on >>in "IDM" circles, but i guess that depends on what you consider >>"IDM". Vibert's on Warp, which makes him IDM by default >>in people's eyes, > >heh. where does that leave broadcast and vincent gallo? > > >>It doesn't matter to me really, but its an observation. >>I think it come more from problems with language or naming >>more than any problem with music. > >i agree there. since IDM is such a misnomer anyway i don't see a reason to >quibble about the differences between some bubbly analogish confection on >morr music and the latest number-crunching glitchfest on warp or distorted >electro from the ant-zen/hymen stable. > > > >d. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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"Nohaptimus Prime" <nohaptimusprime@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 1 line I think it leaves Vincent Gallo and Broadcast in the "Indie Rock" category.

>I think it leaves Vincent Gallo and Broadcast in the "Indie Rock" category.

well, i think that's another miscategorization, but you see my point. just because they're on warp doesn't make them idm. gallo actually records like todd rundgren did back in the 70's, on antiquated analog equipment, nary a synth or computer in earshot. the result is a kind of old-school singer-songwriter through a slight art-rock filter. broadcast, however, must be using samplers to create their 60's pop group pastiches. they most resemble stereolab circa 'sound-dust'. still, i'm glad warp branched out a bit and signed them. i also enjoy the 'morvern callar' soundtrack, with its eclectic mix of warp electro and 60's art-pop. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org