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So the Chemical Brothers are the guys who just collect a lot of samples together...trigger them in a certain sequence and get paid packets, correct? -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/

Ben Coffer said once upon a time:

quoted 4 lines So the Chemical Brothers are the guys who just collect a lot of samples

> >So the Chemical Brothers are the guys who just collect a lot of samples >together...trigger them in a certain sequence and get paid packets, >correct?

Its an old argument.

At 09:11 PM 7/15/97 +0100, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines So the Chemical Brothers are the guys who just collect a lot of samples

>So the Chemical Brothers are the guys who just collect a lot of samples >together...trigger them in a certain sequence and get paid packets, >correct?

Yep. Pretty much. Oh, I supose they do some "Original" melodies and such when they feel like it. Basically, they just make disposible (Breakbeat music in general) party music (for the masses), and that's just fine so long as you know that going into it. I for one don't have time or the patience to listen to such sheeeaaattt. Just an opinion to add to the masses. Ben Synaptic Records (Rick and Ben) 608 S. Broadway Denver, CO 80209 (303) 722-9428 (phone) (303) 722-9540 (fax) synaptic@eazy.net www.eazy.net/synaptic-records/

quoted 5 lines Yep. Pretty much. Oh, I supose they do some "Original" melodies and such

> Yep. Pretty much. Oh, I supose they do some "Original" melodies and such >when they feel like it. Basically, they just make disposible (Breakbeat >music in general) party music (for the masses), and that's just fine so long >as you know that going into it. I for one don't have time or the patience to >listen to such sheeeaaattt.

I couldn't disagree more. Tom n'Ed are expert knob twiddlers... tough and brutal fusion of hip hop and acid house with funky meltdowns and neat distortion and loops. The guys are pretty legitamite. I've got every one of their single releases going back to their first 12" single-sided "Song to the Siren" track which started it all. Listen to "it doesn't matter" and you'll understand... the brothas gonna work it out. Now... if you want to talk about shit for the masses then let us speak of Prodigy. Now there's some shite for you.. Liam trying' to pump it up and always talking about how hardcore he is whilst the bros just hide behind their gear and bob their heads. Prodigy = all bark, no bite Chems = psychadelic funkin music -- 'dancable' but not chicago-house-stupid. 2/100 of a dollar poorer, Peter

just gotta say something....

quoted 1 line Prodigy = all bark, no bite

>Prodigy = all bark, no bite

who out there got prodigy's "experience" when it first came out??? admit it. that album was one of the best in its time (i still sorta consider it "classic") granted they aren't at the top of my lists by any means...it just pains me....to see a band that i loved so much when they first dropped in, to fall so hard and into such an inane and stupid stance...... yeah...so basically i'm saying i don't like 'em anymore...but damnit....they used to be the shizat......and i gotta give some respect for that..... so that's my 2cents.... aaron.............................................. --- --Overheard on KMUD 91.1FM "That song rocked so hard I'm going to play it again." aaron@wired.com............................................................

t 17:33 15/07/97 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 2 lines I couldn't disagree more. Tom n'Ed are expert knob twiddlers... tough and

>I couldn't disagree more. Tom n'Ed are expert knob twiddlers... tough and >brutal fusion of hip hop and

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quoted 1 line Prodigy = all bark, no bite

>Prodigy = all bark, no bite

quoted 1 line Chems = psychadelic funkin music -- 'dancable' but not

>Chems = psychadelic funkin music -- 'dancable' but not

chicago-house-stupid. now, normally i'd stand back and let the chemical brothers fans waddle around in their sad little big beat world, but when one of them makes an attack on chicago house music which is more or less responsible for all the music we hear now, i have to start tapping these keys.... why don't we start with the name - 'chemical brothers'. it's really an interesting and thought provoking name isn't it? basically, from the outset, you know with certainty that their music is for taking drugs and drinking beer to. it's going to be loud, simple, 'heavy' and have absolutely nothing in it that would distract the listener from having a good old shallow laugh down the pub with all the other 'lads' (who, 95% of the time, are students too). it's music custom designed for being a dickhead to. no thought required, just let that big bold beat wash over you, while your mind endlessly cycles through car-chase, scarface-style-shootout and snow-boarding scenarios. it's so ridiculously bland and forgettable that it is the perfect soundtrack to 90's 'youth' tv adverts - something loud and noisy always makes the average cretin sit up and take notice, at which point they are about ready to buy anything offered. yes, on the advertising front, big beat knocks even syrupy drum and bass into a cocked hat. and if you claim that these two clever fellows are anonymous, how come i can't get their ugly mugs out of my head? THEY ARE EVERYWHERE, THEY ARE UTTER EGOMANIACS! so the chems make 'psychedelic funkin music'? maybe your definition of psychedelic is to have a sitar sample, but mine isn't. acid is an incredible experience, and for you to trumpet the chemical brothers as being 'psychedelic', well i hope you understand when i say i find it impossible to take you seriously. ah, funk, funk. well, it's been said that funk comes in many different flavours. i can only say that funk 'chem style' tastes pretty much like anti-freeze. call that funk? i've heard more funk going on in your average schubert tune. 'dancable' but not chicago-house-stupid? i wasn't aware that a chemical brothers record was so intellectually rich! my god, you might be able to dance to it, but only if you can bring yourself to discard the barrage of inspiring and thoughtful messages being thrown at you! the chems might even topple orbital from their throne as kings of fuzzy-wuzzy utopian dogshit, yes, they are that INTELLIGENT! and a 'tough and brutal fusion of hip hop and acid house'? i've never heard anything tough or brutal in one of their tracks - just lots of loud processed breaks with iceberg-sized cliches - it's EASY LISTENING. and one minute you're calling chicago house stupid, then saying the chems are influenced by it! make your mind up, if you've got one! cheerio! np - trip II the moon - acen oosalford oosounds xxwe want to hear your music! email!

On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 alalan@po-box.mcgill.ca wrote:

quoted 10 lines Ben Coffer said once upon a time:

> > Ben Coffer said once upon a time: > > > > > >So the Chemical Brothers are the guys who just collect a lot of samples > > >together...trigger them in a certain sequence and get paid packets, > > >correct? > > > > Its an old argument. > > > So is the existence of God, yet we still argue about that...what's > your point? Its discussion. its good, its why i'm on the list!(IMO)

Yes, but this list is supposed to be about intelligent dance music, not stoopid rock'n roll music... Che

quoted 2 lines Yes, but this list is supposed to be about intelligent dance music, not

> Yes, but this list is supposed to be about intelligent dance music, not > stoopid rock'n roll music...

Thanks for clearing that up. Who decides what is IDM? I hear alot of people dissing the Chemical Brothers, because they are popular now. I think many of you liked them when they first came out, but aren't as impressed with them now. They did have some good songs, why not give them SOME credit. I was definitely disappointed with Setting Sun and the new CD doesn't really grab me, because it doesn't explore new terrain. I am not going to start dissing Brian Eno or Aphex Twin because I was disappointed with their last albums. I can appreciate what they did that was great (for its time). If you never liked the Chemical Brothers fine. I just see a lot of fickle of trainspotters, that will rave about an artist one moment and change their tune the next.

Has anyone else listened to the new brian eno "the drop"? I have, and I haven't quite formulated a full opinion yet, but it doesn't seem to explore too much new territory and is a little disappointing (but the music is good). --brett On Thu, 17 July 1997, at 03:46:22, Vapre wrote:

quoted 5 lines SOME credit. I was definitely disappointed with Setting Sun and the new CD

> SOME credit. I was definitely disappointed with Setting Sun and the new CD > doesn't really grab me, because it doesn't explore new terrain. I am not > going to start dissing Brian Eno or Aphex Twin because I was disappointed > with their last albums. I can appreciate what they did that was great (for > its time).

quoted 18 lines On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 alalan@po-box.mcgill.ca wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 alalan@po-box.mcgill.ca wrote: > > > > Ben Coffer said once upon a time: > > > > > > > >So the Chemical Brothers are the guys who just collect a lot of samples > > > >together...trigger them in a certain sequence and get paid packets, > > > >correct? > > > > > > Its an old argument. > > > > > So is the existence of God, yet we still argue about that...what's > > your point? Its discussion. its good, its why i'm on the list!(IMO) > > Yes, but this list is supposed to be about intelligent dance music, not > stoopid rock'n roll music... > > Che >

In YOUR opinion maybe. Are you saying that your opinion is the only one that counts around here? As long as two people listen to and are willing to discuss a subject that is in some way related to idm, its allowed to be discussed. Ali "It means we'll manage I'll master your language And in the meantime I'll create my own" (Tricky)

On Thursday, 17-Jul-97, alalan@po-box.mcgill.ca wrote [about Re: (idm) Chem B]:

quoted 7 lines Yes, but this list is supposed to be about intelligent dance music, not

>> Yes, but this list is supposed to be about intelligent dance music, not >> stoopid rock'n roll music... >> >In YOUR opinion maybe. Are you saying that your opinion is the only >one that counts around here? As long as two people listen to and are >willing to discuss a subject that is in some way related to idm, its >allowed to be discussed.

there is no way you can put IDM and Chemical Bros. together on the same planet. Chemical Bros. are nothing but a rock/pop group turned electronics. someone said this before, but this is why they are so popular. People who are into Green Day, Metallica, Korn, etc. etc. like them too, but they don't like any other electronic music acts except for Prodigy, coz it's a totally different type of music. If you like that kind of music that's fine, but I don't think this is the place to discuss it. I'm certainly not going to talk about Abba in here. __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ , m7=

The Rare Guy sez: # there is no way you can put IDM and Chemical Bros. together on the same # planet. Chemical Bros. are nothing but a rock/pop group turned electronics. # If you like that kind of music that's fine, but I don't think this is the # place to discuss it. "How far you going back?" "Way back" From: shredder@ai.mit.edu (Ian) Date: Mon, 2 May 94 17:34:58 EDT

quoted 1 line I really like the St. Etienne remix, who are the Dust Brothers?

> I really like the St. Etienne remix, who are the Dust Brothers?

From: "Jon Drukman" <jon@opcode.com> Date: 2 May 1994 15:13:04 -0800

quoted 4 lines The dust brothers are a totally happening british group who do mad

> The dust brothers are a totally happening british group who do mad > hip hop flavored dance tracks. Their new "14th Century Sky" EP on > Boys Own is crucial. Also check out their remix of Leftfield & > Lydon's "Open Up."

From: "Jon Drukman" <jon@opcode.com> Date: 3 May 1994 10:05:30 -0800

quoted 6 lines The track with the "acidy guitar sound" (it's a synth) is called

> The track with the "acidy guitar sound" (it's a synth) is called > Chemical Beats - this one is a STORMER. climaxes galore. Also on > that side is a slow, odd track called One Too Many Mornings. On the > other side is a hip hop funky jam called Dope Coil, and then Her > Jazz, which sounds like a dance track with a Dead Can Dance or This > Mortal Coil sample. Good stuff all around.

From: Darren Emerson <rizmit@cix.compulink.co.uk> Date: Wed, 4 May 94 01:28 BST-1

quoted 2 lines Well it looks like Jon got it right. There's a new track ready to

> Well it looks like Jon got it right. There's a new track ready to > come out soon. I've forgot wot it's called but it sounds great.

From: Teep <ARAN%MITVMC.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 94 10:38:23 EDT

quoted 3 lines Teeps top three overplayed (but loving every minute of it!)

> Teeps top three overplayed (but loving every minute of it!) > 1-Dust Brothers-Chemical beats Boys Own > *bass, bass, bass, bass, bass and fat beats and bass. bring it on

From: u90cmg@ecs.oxford.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Jun 94 15:52:04 BST

quoted 4 lines My Mercury Mouth ep

> My Mercury Mouth ep > has anyone got a copy of this ep which *isnt* a terrible pressing. > I swapped my orig for another copy and got one just as bad... > Its a real shame because the music is EXCELLENT!

... and so on ... -- Chris

Funny isn't it how some people jump ship when an artist like the CHems actually starts to gain some recognition. /peter On Thu, 17 Jul 1997, Christopher Klausmeier wrote:

quoted 63 lines The Rare Guy sez:

> The Rare Guy sez: > # there is no way you can put IDM and Chemical Bros. together on the same > # planet. Chemical Bros. are nothing but a rock/pop group turned electronics. > > # If you like that kind of music that's fine, but I don't think this is the > # place to discuss it. > > "How far you going back?" "Way back" > > From: shredder@ai.mit.edu (Ian) > Date: Mon, 2 May 94 17:34:58 EDT > > > I really like the St. Etienne remix, who are the Dust Brothers? > > > From: "Jon Drukman" <jon@opcode.com> > Date: 2 May 1994 15:13:04 -0800 > > > The dust brothers are a totally happening british group who do mad > > hip hop flavored dance tracks. Their new "14th Century Sky" EP on > > Boys Own is crucial. Also check out their remix of Leftfield & > > Lydon's "Open Up." > > > From: "Jon Drukman" <jon@opcode.com> > Date: 3 May 1994 10:05:30 -0800 > > > The track with the "acidy guitar sound" (it's a synth) is called > > Chemical Beats - this one is a STORMER. climaxes galore. Also on > > that side is a slow, odd track called One Too Many Mornings. On the > > other side is a hip hop funky jam called Dope Coil, and then Her > > Jazz, which sounds like a dance track with a Dead Can Dance or This > > Mortal Coil sample. Good stuff all around. > > > From: Darren Emerson <rizmit@cix.compulink.co.uk> > Date: Wed, 4 May 94 01:28 BST-1 > > > Well it looks like Jon got it right. There's a new track ready to > > come out soon. I've forgot wot it's called but it sounds great. > > > From: Teep <ARAN%MITVMC.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU> > Date: Mon, 06 Jun 94 10:38:23 EDT > > > Teeps top three overplayed (but loving every minute of it!) > > 1-Dust Brothers-Chemical beats Boys Own > > *bass, bass, bass, bass, bass and fat beats and bass. bring it on > > > From: u90cmg@ecs.oxford.ac.uk > Date: Tue, 7 Jun 94 15:52:04 BST > > > My Mercury Mouth ep > > has anyone got a copy of this ep which *isnt* a terrible pressing. > > I swapped my orig for another copy and got one just as bad... > > Its a real shame because the music is EXCELLENT! > > ... and so on ... > > -- Chris > >

In message <Pine.BSF.3.91.970717165244.8216A-100000@sumter.awod.com>, Peter Bense <ptbense@awod.com> writes

quoted 4 lines Funny isn't it how some people jump ship when an artist like the CHems

> >Funny isn't it how some people jump ship when an artist like the CHems >actually starts to gain some recognition. >

Noooooo...it's not that at all.....in fact, it's *because* they've become more in the public eye, i've had more opportunity to scrutinise/ listen to their music, and i began to realise that, actually just triggering off a collection of hiphop/rock samples in a certain order really doesn't take too much talent. -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/

Christopher Klausmeier writes:

quoted 1 line "How far you going back?" "Way back"

> "How far you going back?" "Way back"

[lots of praise of dust(chem)bros from the idm archives snipped] ah, it's always the case... get successful and people like us start hating you. i don't really care about it one way or another. i still like the old dust bros stuff. the new album is pretty disappointing tho, with the exception of "it doesn't matter" which i had the privilege of dropping at a party a few weeks ago. that track is pure 100% techno ecstasy and it makes people's heads explode. nothing rock or pop about it. too bad the rest of the album is so lame. and you can be damn sure i picked up the prodigy album because as a working musician i gotta stay in touch with these things. (and it's tax deductible!) all i have to say about it is: nice production, embarrassing image. how does he get those kick drums? they're pretty awesome. -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com SpotMedia Communications ...I was an infinitely hot and dense dot...

On Thu, 17 Jul 1997, Christopher Klausmeier wrote:

quoted 9 lines The Rare Guy sez:

> The Rare Guy sez: > # there is no way you can put IDM and Chemical Bros. together on the same > # planet. Chemical Bros. are nothing but a rock/pop group turned electronics. > > # If you like that kind of music that's fine, but I don't think this is the > # place to discuss it. > > "How far you going back?" "Way back" >

[Early IDM mentions of Chemical/Dust brothers deleted] Jackson Browne could have been writing about the chem boys when he said "say a prayer for the pretender, who started out so young and strong only to end there." And in the same song "caught between a longing for love and a struggle for the legal tender." The Chemical Brothers have indeed made a few fine tracks, but unfortunately their newer stuff seems to be mostly a cheap parody of their early heights. --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Psyche manifests as psychic through something we call 'winding', because it twists, and puts things that were far apart next to each other, complicatedly, taffywise." -- winona on channel 78 Kent Williams kent@inav.net -- http://soli.inav.net/~kent

quoted 3 lines The Rare Guy sez:

>The Rare Guy sez: ># there is no way you can put IDM and Chemical Bros. together on the same ># planet. Chemical Bros. are nothing but a rock/pop group turned electronics.

imho, it's other way around...

quoted 2 lines The track with the "acidy guitar sound" (it's a synth) is called

>> The track with the "acidy guitar sound" (it's a synth) is called >> Chemical Beats - this one is a STORMER. climaxes galore.

that version isn't what made it on the lp is it... (i remember more samples on the JBO vinyl) ObIDM: Bently Rhythm Ace is a top 5 record for 97. found it in Tower for $17 (cd and vinyl were available) and it's worth more than that. go buy it right now. dan.....

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quoted 1 line In YOUR opinion maybe. Are you saying that your opinion is the only

>In YOUR opinion maybe. Are you saying that your opinion is the only

quoted 1 line one that counts around here? As long as two people listen to and are

>one that counts around here? As long as two people listen to and are

quoted 1 line willing to discuss a subject that is in some way related to idm, its

>willing to discuss a subject that is in some way related to idm, its

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>allowed to be discussed.

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> Ali

Okay, defend your position. What qualifies Prodigy and Chems as Intelligent (bear in mind that I like most of the new Prodigy disk but cannot stand the tracks I've heard off of the new Chems). _ / \ /\ /__/ \ / \ \ / \AVIS \\\\ emailing from work. <underline><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>ravis1@mindspring.com </color></underline> <underline><color><param>0000,0000,fefe</param>http://www.mindspring.com/~ravis1/</color></underline>

quoted 2 lines Yes, but this list is supposed to be about intelligent dance music, not

> >> Yes, but this list is supposed to be about intelligent dance music, not > >> stoopid rock'n roll music...

> >> Che

quoted 4 lines In YOUR opinion maybe. Are you saying that your opinion is the

> >In YOUR opinion maybe. Are you saying that your opinion is the >>only one that counts around here? As long as two people listen to and are >>willing to discuss a subject that is in some way related to idm, its >>allowed to be discussed.

Ali

quoted 3 lines Okay, defend your position. What qualifies Prodigy and Chems as

> Okay, defend your position. What qualifies Prodigy and Chems as >Intelligent (bear in mind that I like most of the new Prodigy disk but >cannot stand the tracks I've heard off of the new Chems).

Well, the ball is in YOUR court on this one, since my take on IDM is that its just something you feel...if i listen to something, and think it sounds idm'ish(i can't explain...its hard to put into words) and i discuss it here, i'm almost always right. Which is how everyone else does it as well. I mean, you can't tell me you sit down with a cd and go through a list of elements of music that are and aren't idm, before posting, eh? And by the way, idm is in a LARGE growth and development period, as it is relatively new as a genre, so to simplify idm into what IS and ISN'T idm based on(what? what DO you base the fact that Chem Bros aren't idm on?) certain criteria is to devalue and provide unecessary boundries to the music. Of course there has to be a line drawn somwhere, but i think its blatently obvious that we don't or shouldn't discuss ABBA here(unless Aphex comes out with the remix for "Dancing Queen" soon...haha), but the boundries in my opinion where the chemical brothers are concerned get hazy. I guarantee that there are elements in their music that can be found in many of YOUR concepts of idm music. So i would ask YOU, what is it that makes Chemical Brothers NOT idm? Oh, this post is for anyone who disagreed with my above statements(i deleted most of them by accident). Thanks for listening! np: Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream(now, this is most definately NOT an idm group...i can tell you that much) Ali "It means we'll manage I'll master your language And in the meantime I'll create my own" (Tricky)

On Thu, 17 Jul 1997 alalan@po-box.mcgill.ca wrote:

quoted 1 line Yes, but this list is supposed to be about intelligent dance music, not

> > >> Yes, but this list is supposed to be about intelligent dance music, not

quoted 2 lines In YOUR opinion maybe. Are you saying that your opinion is the

> > >In YOUR opinion maybe. Are you saying that your opinion is the > >>only one that counts around here? As long as two people listen to and are

quoted 2 lines Okay, defend your position. What qualifies Prodigy and Chems as

> > Okay, defend your position. What qualifies Prodigy and Chems as > >Intelligent (bear in mind that I like most of the new Prodigy disk but

quoted 1 line So i would ask YOU, what is it that makes Chemical Brothers NOT idm?

> So i would ask YOU, what is it that makes Chemical Brothers NOT idm?

oh, yummy...i'm counting 4 separate batches of re-played quotes there... as magic mike said: "take it from the top..." " So as to prevent the list from becoming a hopeless barrage of flame mail over what is and is not "intelligent", the official stance will be that all opinions are to be respected - you are welcome to disagree and post your disagreements, but outright flames and name-calling are to be avoided. However, if you declare that "Rozalla is intelligent dance music", you should be willing and able to back it up - not just "because it obviously is." Just remember that your mail goes into approximately 1000 mail boxes worldwide therefore unrelated or unneccessary posts should be kept to an absolute minimum. " --from the subscription info that burrows it's way into everyone's mailbox upon entering the list. ....... "S'il vous plait, pouvez-vouz demander a la femme de chambre d'astiquer ma poignee de porte; j'attends un visiteur tres distingue."

On Thursday, 17-Jul-97, alalan@po-box.mcgill.ca wrote [about Re: (idm) Chem B]:

quoted 9 lines that its just something you feel...if i listen to something, and

>that its just something you feel...if i listen to something, and >think it sounds idm'ish(i can't explain...its hard to put into words) >and i discuss it here, i'm almost always right. Which is how everyone >else does it as well. I mean, you can't tell me you sit down with a >cd and go through a list of elements of music that are and aren't >idm, before posting, eh? And by the way, idm is in a LARGE growth and >development period, as it is relatively new as a genre, so to >simplify idm into what IS and ISN'T idm based on(what? what DO you >base the fact that Chem Bros aren't idm on?) certain criteria is to

I can try to explain.. IDM is something which sounds like it is from around 200 years in the future. It often sounds like a soundtrack to some stellar movie, no matter what style, and I'm not talking ambient mind you, but then the term 'intelligent' directly relates to ambience, for example: intelligent jungle/drum'n'bass = jungle/drum'n'bass that's got an atmospheric and cosmic quality. When I listen to the classic IDM stuff like Ae: Incunabula or SAW85-92 or the Dot stuff.. I hear stuff that is,for sure, intelligent dance music. When I listen to stuff like the Prodigy, a track which is nothing but some hard metal sounding stuff that repeats on to infinity and keeps saying "smack my bitch up ! smack my bitch up !" with no variance whatsoever.. that is not IDM. Ru Paul, is not IDM either, although it's nothing like the Prodigy, more like euro-cheese at 180bpm. at least this is what I thought of it.. If I'm correct, it's actually what you're trying to say that you cannot explain, you just know when something's IDM.. when you hear it, you know, sometimes even if you don't know what IDM is... but it also depends on the person.. I base my opinion (fact? I don't believe IDM has been established on such a concrete base for anything to be IDM by fact.) that Chemical Bros. are not IDM that imo they are electronic rock'n'roll. they use a little bit of things from electronic dance music and some hip hop influences, etc. but imo, the only thing tieing them to electronic dance music is the fact that they use electronics. __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ , m7=

On Thu, 17 Jul 1997 10:38:49 -0500 "Travis L. Combel" <ravis1@mindspring.com> writes:

quoted 28 lines Yes, but this list is supposed to be about intelligent dance music,

>>> > >>> Yes, but this list is supposed to be about intelligent dance music, >not > >>> stoopid rock'n roll music... > >>> > >>> Che > >>> > >>In YOUR opinion maybe. Are you saying that your opinion is the only > >>one that counts around here? As long as two people listen to and are > >>willing to discuss a subject that is in some way related to idm, its > >>allowed to be discussed. > >> Ali > > > > Okay, defend your position. What qualifies Prodigy and Chems >as Intelligent (bear in mind that I like most of the new Prodigy disk >but cannot stand the tracks I've heard off of the new Chems).

the fact that they're making truckloads of money? tom w np: drexciya - the quest (who isnt making money)

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That's pretty lame... _ / \ /\ /__/ \ / \ \ / \AVIS \\\\ emailing from work. <underline><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>ravis1@mindspring.com </color></underline> <underline><color><param>0000,0000,fefe</param>http://www.mindspring.com/~ravis1/</color></underline>

On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 09:13:04 -0500 "Travis L. Combel" <ravis1@mindspring.com> writes:

quoted 19 lines Okay, defend your position. What qualifies Prodigy and

>>> > >>> Okay, defend your position. What qualifies Prodigy and >Chems > >>>as Intelligent (bear in mind that I like most of the new Prodigy >disk > >>>but cannot stand the tracks I've heard off of the new Chems). > >> > >>the fact that they're making truckloads of money? > >> > > >That's pretty lame... >

why? u think making money to maybe buy new equipment and expand ones creative capabilities and maybe make a "better", less-commercial disc (because one can afford to) the next time around is "lame"? sure, production and distribution expenses grow on trees...or is this the" art for arts sake argument"? tom w np: system 7 - golden section

I'd like to ask just one thing. Please, for the list's sake STOP THIS FUCKING ARGUMENT. Thanks. Do we _really_ need another art vs. commercialism or "chems/prodigy are the next big thing" thread? If you're that into it, re-read the other 34787983279832489732 times the thread has come up (they're in the archives). Thanks, Bill

quoted 10 lines why? u think making money to maybe buy new equipment and expand ones

> why? u think making money to maybe buy new equipment and expand ones > creative capabilities and maybe make a "better", less-commercial disc > (because one can afford to) the next time around is "lame"? sure, > production and distribution expenses grow on trees...or is this the" art > for arts sake argument"? > > tom w > > np: system 7 - golden section >

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