hey, s r--- don't knock the man around... it would be interesting to see
which country or countries you have some knowledge of... while of course
i can agree that the self-destructive habits of oneself or others are
never the nicest thing to have to look at, it doesn't help to have the
perspective that only a deluded morality can give (this is not a
personal attack -- i just think it is a problem we all have to deal
with).
have you thought overmuch about the reasons people do this or the things
they seek when they go to parties, celebrate, drink, etc.? someone who
is drunken is not just a waste to be looked down one's nose at, if they
are worth anything they should still be interesting... what are you like
when you are not entirely in your wits, even if this is not caused by
alcohol, etc.? there is the historical perspective of celebration... the
dyonisian aspect... although of course there is always the possibilty of
one way or another not wanting to or not being able to become part of
that celebration... which is ok of course... etc. ...
then there is also the case for or the discussion of lucidity... no one
is usually lucid all the time... how good was your post on someone
else's light review of the tobin gig? i enjoyed his or her comments on
the gig, even if they didn't think it was so hot... so if you aren't
adding anything great to the discussion, maybe you should rethink what
you are about to post : ) i.e., i didn't enjoy your post as much as the
one it answers.
amon tobin is not known for the quality of his live gigs apparently, so
i guess people should only go if they really like his work. i think you
have no real basis for deriding him, outside of your personal music
taste, which i can respect, fair enough.
i read your disclaimer about not taking the smoker/drinker comments
seriously... the smoker's camp or whatever could be a funny idea, but
the rest is morally pale... so despite the disclaimer i take issue with
the morality it implies... it's terrible that such habits are so
unhealthy, but enjoyment and intelligence, not to mention discussion and
experience, are reasons enough to love night life of whatever means by
which people arrive at their habits, which at least in my own case am
somewhat attached to, although not in an unhealthy manner. the morality
we are often raised with often affects our ways of life profoundly,
maybe more negatively sometimes than drinking or smoking... morality
should just help us enjoy ourselves more and be more perceptive, not
make us be unhappy or be narrow-minded (again, this is not directed at
anyone personally).
as far as tobin, i would recommend giving him another shot and trying to
listen to some older materials... if you like anything on ninja tune at
all, some of coldcut's atomic moog materials are absolutely lovely to
listen to and might constitute a good point of reference for tobin... it
would be a shame for anyone to miss out on what could be a good time
listening to him. if not, well, i can only say i gave a try at getting
someone else to listen to music i value highly. besides, how can good
music come only from some places? terrible music can come from
everywhere. and if the good stuff was truly an isolated thing, what kind
of dialogue would ever occur thanks to music? i hear plenty of good
music where i live, thanks very much : )
some amon tobin tracks, off the top of my head, that i find at least
likeable:
four ton mantis
slowly
mission
creatures
the method
tabakula beach resort
nightlife
nova
reanimator
the new york editor
also the video for four ton mantis, as well as the one for slowly, can
be seen at the ninja tune site... the four ton mantis is especially of
interest... it would be very interesting to hear your thoughts on the
video...
i feel his music actually says a lot about the third world, and this
maybe even extends to the theme of the relationship between the third
world and the first (although i think the terms themselves are
laughable, i use them for practical reasons). the play between feelings
of strangeness or being foreign in an unknown landscape, and the
contemplation of the landscape as something beautiful, personal or
belonging to oneself, makes me think of the recent historical idea of
latin american countries (although it could just as easily be asia) as
places that have a rich past that has been made barren, as "modernity"
arrives on the scene, and all that a spectator will be left with is the
impression of a maze or confused, beautiful patterns...
your mileage of course may vary
greetings from the third
world.....................................................................
...............................
On Sunday, February 3, 2002, at 07:00 , s r wrote:
quoted 83 lines Whoever wrote about his impressions from Tobin
> Whoever wrote about his impressions from Tobin
> show- i agree 100% eventhough i wasnt there this
> time.
>
> Ok, take the rest not seriuos, but still it makes
> sence
> =========================================
> Smokers(tobaco of course)
> must be put to concentration camps and given all
> they can smoke and drink buffet. Will kill them
> fast.
>
> Knitting factory
> is totally stinking outdated idiotic place of
> worship where idiots can put some
> other idiots on the stage and worship them, while
> another idiots make smoke go out of their filthy
> mouth
>
> Booze- same as above, with 2 differences-
> doesnt stink upon others
> but makes a drinker a totally wasted crap of a
> human being
>
> Tobin-
> good artist, producer, not my favourite, his
> stuff
> doesnt really have a what may be called a
> heavenly spark. Just some good collage, boring
> though.
> I think at this point of time good music can not
> come from the third world country.
> Good music, most of it comes from nothern
> cultures-
> german, brits, canadians, us, some french,
> belgium, you know what i mean
> third world more and more is left behind..
> Look at those thousands of hip-hop and punk bands
> recently emerged from all those places, trying to
> mix ethnic with whatever-
> it is so outdated and pathetic.
> Basically Tobin comes from the same line, but
> being involved in the most sophisticated genre-
> electronic music, he can produce stuff above the
> usual 3rd world crappy level.
>
> ABout electronic music on the stage-
>
> Knit Factory is a worst possible venue for music.
> Like i sad it is good for worshiping some idiotic
> punk rocker jumping with the broken guitar
>
> The very idea of electronica of any kind is -
> it is about sound not the performance, dance
> oriented, no one to worship and no one to lick
> ass
>
> As far as looking on something - video visuals
> are the way to go. And they are nice.
>
> Thats why i say that knit. factory is outdated
>
> I go to the clubs to dance and hang out with
> friends, may be to pick up occasional sexy female
> for the purpose of sexual gratification or
> romance
>
> I dont give a shit about clowns jumping up there
>
>
>
>
>
>
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