quoted 14 lines -----Original Message-----
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Piontek [mailto:adam@damek.org]
> Sent: 31 January 2002 23:11
> To: Inconvenient Dark Matter
> Subject: Re: [idm] VBR vs fixed rate ripping
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>
> a few more of my opinions :P
>
> > very nice! i have been reading about lossless codecs and file
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> mp3, ogg, and mpc are all lossy
> flac, monkey's audio, rkau, etc are lossless
>
Yup
quoted 8 lines lossless is attractive for quality - you know the quality is tops because
> lossless is attractive for quality - you know the quality is tops because
> it's lossless! but the best compression you will get is ~50%, which is
> horrible if you're backing up CDs. I mean, you want to back up your audio
> in good quality, but you'll basically need half as many CD-Rs to store as
> many CDs as you own (50% compression = ~2 albums per disc, right?). so
> physical storage space becomes a big concern. If you have a giant HD,
> great, but if your HD gets trashed, you have to rip & encode them
> all again.
Yep again ;) I've kept some CDs in monkey format but all of my CDs are in
MPC at varying quality levels.. -xtreme for stuff that I don't love too much
(about 200k/s) and "-insane -nmt 32 -tmn 16" or something like that for my
favourites.. bringing it in at about 300k/s ... its perhaps a little
overkill but I've got the hdd space at the moment and I think harddrives
will grow faster than my CD collection :)
quoted 7 lines I suppose, once backed up, you don't have to rip again, you can just keep
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> I suppose, once backed up, you don't have to rip again, you can just keep
> decompressing the lossless audio packs whenever you need to. I own about
> 800 CDs, which even in CaseLogic ProSleeves take up four of the CaseLogic
> storage cabinets (which hold about 200 cds in sleeves). I shudder at the
> thought of getting two more cabinets just to store my backups, when CD-Rs
> full of MP3s can fit in a much, much smaller space...
digital music beyond stuff you buy is only really for putting on a harddisk
in my opinion.. I have a 8ft shelf above my bed with all my CDs on it, or I
have a remote control and a jukebox server I've ported across to mpc as well
as mp3.. from my bed at night with my headphones on I can flick through all
500 albums, or just have it take me on a random ride through them all using
the remote and in total darkness.. this is what its about :) for me anyways
.. if anyones interested in the software to do that you'll need linux.. but
you can download the source if this isn't a problem from my webpage
http://www.jimtreats.fsnet.co.uk ... I've got voice synthesis integrated
into my version at home so I can enquire what track is currently being
played (when I'm having the afore mentioned late night sleepy listenings)
quoted 7 lines lossless yet... many of us are tied to the mp3 format for more reasons
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> > lossless yet... many of us are tied to the mp3 format for more reasons
> > than portable players. hopefully it will be possible sooner than anyone
>
> The thing about MPC/MpegPlus/MusePack is that, while it certainly has the
> best quality, it's gone backwards for ID tagging capability. It only uses
> ID3v1, IIRC. I need more than this!
Why do you need more.. sure about 1% of my tracks (5000) have their details
shortened cause it can't fit.. I agree this is a pain... but apart from
getting that lengthed thats all I'd want.. I don't want lyrics, images,
videos, or biographies bloating up my files.. I'll have that seperate
thanks..
Ogg isn't finalized yet,
quoted 6 lines and the sound
> and the sound
> quality can only get better, and it has so much potential for
> tagging! It's
> an open ended system, so you can use whatever you need (label tag, catalog
> tag, multiple performers for band/orchestra members, 'version' tag for
> remixes, etc...)
Sure ogg is an upcoming star and is fully open source but its soooooooooooo
slow at the moment and still doesn't sound up to MPC which isn't finalised
either.. and is due to get stream8 this year which will further improve its
quality and performance.
quoted 7 lines The only reason I haven't switched to anything other than mp3 yet is that
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> The only reason I haven't switched to anything other than mp3 yet is that
> little bit about Ogg not being finalized - when they get past 1.0, I may
> re-archive my music collection in a couple years. Who knows,
> maybe by then
> something better will come along. For now, MP3 serves its purpose "good
> enough"
Sure mp3 ain't bad but I've enjoyed moving across.. when we all have
terrabyte hdds I'll be reencoding one last time to lossless.. so that in the
future when a disc stops playing due to scratches I don't have to buy it
again
quoted 12 lines why is this on the idm list? perhaps the community is tied to mp3 more
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> > why is this on the idm list? perhaps the community is tied to mp3 more
>
> well, electronic music in general has more affinity for digital music than
> most other types of music, and i think on the idm list in particular there
> are a lot of people on low budgets who like to be able to try the music
> before we buy it - especially when the styles vary so much, you never know
> what you're going to get when everybody's talking about a new artist!
>
> .adam
>
>
sure I'm all for that and I love the scene, both music and codec.. in fact
I'm sure my love of electronic music is spawned from the enjoyment of
computer game music over the years.. its made me accept that music of that
type is perfectly valid.. something that older generations sometimes cannot
get over... Turrican 2's music for example on the Amiga.. classic :)
Jim
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