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Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden everyone liked IDM?? I mean it's a good thing that people are listening to good music, but it seems like everyone thinks it is cool lately to like Autechre and Squarepusher. All of a sudden it seems like everyone is talking about it.... maybe it's just me, but thats what it seems like... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden everyone liked IDM?? I mean it's a

> Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden everyone liked IDM?? I mean it's a > good thing that people are listening to good music, but it seems like > everyone thinks it is cool lately to like Autechre and Squarepusher. All of > a sudden it seems like everyone is talking about it....

I still meet very few people who have heard of the big IDM artists, except for RDJ. I live in North London too. They're are probably loads, but not that I've met so far. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Most of the trendy types in the bay area that I've met seem to be really into Kid 606, Matmos, Funkstorung, and the standard Mouse on Mars/Aphex/Autechre thing. I know Matmos is from here - is Kid 606? --- Ben Kirkley <ben.kirkley@displaypost.co.uk> wrote:

quoted 17 lines Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden everyone liked IDM?? I mean

> > Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden everyone liked IDM?? I mean > it's a > > good thing that people are listening to good music, but it seems like > > everyone thinks it is cool lately to like Autechre and Squarepusher. > All of > > a sudden it seems like everyone is talking about it.... > > I still meet very few people who have heard of the big IDM artists, > except > for RDJ. I live in North London too. They're are probably loads, but not > that I've met so far. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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> wrote: > > > Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden everyone > liked IDM??

No, actually. If the explosion of IDM is turning you off, come to Springfield, MO. where just the other day, a passenger in my car said that "this sounds like an Atari game" with some disgust in his voice in reference to Go Plastic. There are many places it has not caught on for sure! John P.S. the said passenger didn't realize that I took his comment about the Atari game like a compliment :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

well that's a false impression the reason why people eventuelly realize that IDM is interesting is that they didn't even know that music existed before... in your world, IDM gets widespreadly known... but in fact, 99% of the people have never heard a single song of IDM. a year ago i didn't even know that Aphex Twin or Squarepusher existed... and i hated techno music generally... but one day i tried (because i heard about Aphex Twin on the radio) with napster... and then i was adicted :) so don't forget that most people don't know this music, that's why you get the impression that "one day the realize it's cool". Mathieu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky Earley" <kikgirl517@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 5:19 PM Subject: [idm] IDM becoming trendy??

quoted 3 lines Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden everyone liked IDM?? I mean it's a

> Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden everyone liked IDM?? I mean it's a > good thing that people are listening to good music, but it seems like > everyone thinks it is cool lately to like Autechre and Squarepusher. All

of

quoted 4 lines a sudden it seems like everyone is talking about it....

> a sudden it seems like everyone is talking about it.... > > maybe it's just me, but thats what it seems like... >

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yeaaaah......i'm listening to IDM since 2 months now and i really like it! i'm trendy! i'm cool! everybody loves me! what a feeling! but i'm wondering why all of my friends still think i'm a weirdo and freak......*confused* honestly, i don't have this feeling, maybe i'm living in the wrong part of the world, but IDM-lovers are here still very rare..... ;) »Eikman« -] http://www.eikman.net [- ----- Original Message ----- From: Becky Earley <kikgirl517@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 5:19 PM Subject: [idm] IDM becoming trendy??

quoted 3 lines Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden everyone liked IDM?? I mean it's a

> Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden everyone liked IDM?? I mean it's a > good thing that people are listening to good music, but it seems like > everyone thinks it is cool lately to like Autechre and Squarepusher. All

of

quoted 11 lines a sudden it seems like everyone is talking about it....

> a sudden it seems like everyone is talking about it.... > > maybe it's just me, but thats what it seems like... > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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ive noticed this too. ever since kid a.

quoted 49 lines From: ?Eikman? <eikman@eikman.net>

>From: ?Eikman? <eikman@eikman.net> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] IDM becoming trendy?? >Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:39:14 +0200 > >yeaaaah......i'm listening to IDM since 2 months now and i really like it! >i'm trendy! i'm cool! everybody loves me! what a feeling! > >but i'm wondering why all of my friends still think i'm a weirdo and >freak......*confused* > >honestly, i don't have this feeling, maybe i'm living in the wrong part of >the world, but IDM-lovers are here still very rare..... > >;) > >?Eikman? >-] http://www.eikman.net [- > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Becky Earley <kikgirl517@hotmail.com> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 5:19 PM >Subject: [idm] IDM becoming trendy?? > > > > Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden everyone liked IDM?? I mean it's >a > > good thing that people are listening to good music, but it seems like > > everyone thinks it is cool lately to like Autechre and Squarepusher. All >of > > a sudden it seems like everyone is talking about it.... > > > > maybe it's just me, but thats what it seems like... > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Its you. Ebola np: squarepusher

quoted 15 lines From: "Becky Earley" <kikgirl517@hotmail.com>

>From: "Becky Earley" <kikgirl517@hotmail.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] IDM becoming trendy?? >Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 15:19:22 -0000 > > >maybe it's just me, but thats what it seems like... >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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bay area I know Matmos is from here - is Kid 606?

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I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but Michael is originally from San Diego, now residing in SF. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Well I dunno I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. But I am from Michigan and it just seems like all of a sudden everyone I know and people I don't are all into IDM all of a sudden. It could just be that I didn't notice but it seems like since Autechre played at DEMF everyone thinks it's just the cool thing to listen to now. Just like for a while there was a big jungle trend here and then it was cool to like Detroit techno and how if you like happy hardcore people think you're ridiculous. It's just blowing up here really fast. Don't get me wrong I think it's great it's about time people were listening to music with depth it's just kind of weird how all of a sudden it's just "popular" or whatever...

quoted 49 lines From: ?Eikman? <eikman@eikman.net>

>From: ?Eikman? <eikman@eikman.net> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] IDM becoming trendy?? >Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:39:14 +0200 > >yeaaaah......i'm listening to IDM since 2 months now and i really like it! >i'm trendy! i'm cool! everybody loves me! what a feeling! > >but i'm wondering why all of my friends still think i'm a weirdo and >freak......*confused* > >honestly, i don't have this feeling, maybe i'm living in the wrong part of >the world, but IDM-lovers are here still very rare..... > >;) > >?Eikman? >-] http://www.eikman.net [- > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Becky Earley <kikgirl517@hotmail.com> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 5:19 PM >Subject: [idm] IDM becoming trendy?? > > > > Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden everyone liked IDM?? I mean it's >a > > good thing that people are listening to good music, but it seems like > > everyone thinks it is cool lately to like Autechre and Squarepusher. All >of > > a sudden it seems like everyone is talking about it.... > > > > maybe it's just me, but thats what it seems like... > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 3 lines Well I dunno I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. But I am from Michigan

>Well I dunno I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. But I am from Michigan >and it just seems like all of a sudden everyone I know and people I don't >are all into IDM all of a sudden

I haven't been following this thread, so if I say something which has been said or drop in a non-sequitor, I'm at the mercy of the list (and we all know neither sin has been committed here in the past). I find it's REALLY easy to fall into our little sub-genre pockets and "lose context" with the wider population of music consumers; as a result we start to believe that Autechre/Aphex ,etc. are names commonly dropped in your average household. Probably being a tad older than your average list-person, I've fallen victim to and seen this through ALL kinds of music fashion through the years. It's especially easy for me as I rarely do "real world" shopping anymore nor do I mess with the radio much at all. You hear something on a commercial or have some contact with a few like-minded individuals and start to think that the whole world is anxiously awaiting Slag Boom Van Loon So Soon or something (not to say YOU are guilty of this). I'm forever trapesing (when I DO these days) into record stores and assuming the counter-jockeys are going to speak my language if they "look the part" or have something palatable spinning and appear to be getting into it - and I'm forever reacquainted with the reality that MOST people have no idea as to the nature of IDM - or whatever odd subgenre/fad/fashion might be your obsession. I'm also often guilty of making the category mistake that it's the "youth" who are more hip/receptive to stylistic innovation/coloring outside the lines/whatever when it comes to music. And I'm more often than not greeted with the reality that MANY off-the-road music buyers are many times people like me...in my mid-40s, married and long-time music geeks who have WIDE musical horizons (at least relatively wide, next to radio guided listeners. Excuse the stereotypes, please :-). I'm well aware that IDM-l is predominately populated by mid- 20s males, but I think there are a good deal of people who you might not expect to be into the genre - and conversely, many MORE whom you might expect to be listening, but who are miles away and will probably not venture much closer. I just don't see IDM riding a popularity crest in the near future in terms of a broad picture. Lots of people making the music SEEM (note stress) often to be impelled to stay beyond the ken of what many people consider listenable. At least I see a bit of elitism involved in the whole venture. It is an interesting process watching the whole tension between the predominant, accepted trends in music and the maverick, oppositional ones. Eventually, the oppositional gets (to some measure) absorbed and becomes dominant. Although I can see some IDM *influences* emerging in popular trends, I'm betting that the "inner core" stuff will just become more obscure. Whatever. (if you can't tell, it's coffee time :-) jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

It goes in cycles and depends on who you hang out with. Living in L.A., I can name maybe a dozen people that I know that even know what IDM is without me having to give a very shoddy explanation first. Trends come and go. You like what you like. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I think it's like skateboarding. In the earlier days, when Tony Hawk first was recognized as an icon, it became popular. Then it died out for a while and then cause of things like Warp Tour, it became popular again. So, I guess what I am saying is that I agree that it goes in cycles. I know a few who like RDJ, some who may have heard of Autechre, but over all, the people who know the music the most are my circle of friends. I don't think it is "trendy", at least not yet. It could be potentially inevitable, especially if they keep writting such catchy tunes like they do. I don't know, just a thought. on 7/4/01 11:50 PM, michelle at girl@propeller.nu wrote:

quoted 10 lines It goes in cycles and depends on who you hang out with. Living in L.A.,

> It goes in cycles and depends on who you hang out with. Living in L.A., > I can name maybe a dozen people that I know that even know what IDM is > without me having to give a very shoddy explanation first. Trends come > and go. You like what you like. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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It being trendy doesn't have to mean the genre's icons getting more recognition. It usually means that more and more influences of the genre seap into the mainstream...Britney Spears using a Nord Modular on het next single? Stuff like that :) After the mainstream public warmed to some of the sounds, some artists will pop-up out of the scene. There could also be 1 artist that sets the train in motion, but IDM being a 'genre' as diverse as it is, it'll probably be a more subtle process. Pop-producers seeking inspiration will find there's a new world of music they've been ignoring... (just like that Missty Elliot producer, who's name I forgot for some reason, who 'invented' breakbeats in R&B :) my 2cts Pjotr The Netherlands. --- Peter Schrock <pachinko74@mac.com> wrote: > I think it's like skateboarding. In the earlier days, when

quoted 30 lines Tony Hawk first

> Tony Hawk first > was recognized as an icon, it became popular. Then it died > out for a while > and then cause of things like Warp Tour, it became popular > again. So, I > guess what I am saying is that I agree that it goes in cycles. > I know a > few who like RDJ, some who may have heard of Autechre, but > over all, the > people who know the music the most are my circle of friends. > I don't think > it is "trendy", at least not yet. It could be potentially > inevitable, > especially if they keep writting such catchy tunes like they > do. > I don't know, just a thought. > > on 7/4/01 11:50 PM, michelle at girl@propeller.nu wrote: > > > It goes in cycles and depends on who you hang out with. > Living in L.A., > > I can name maybe a dozen people that I know that even know > what IDM is > > without me having to give a very shoddy explanation first. > Trends come > > and go. You like what you like. > > > > > > >

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Oh, yes, you're right. IDM is becoming trendy by two ways: a) IDM musicians producing pop artists (mark bell is the first example that comes to mind) and b) pop-producers getting influenced by IDM musicians. There are many pop tracks influenced by IDM and other non-commercial electronic music, take the vocals off Madonna's "Drowned World" and you'll get a typical BoC track. Or "American Pie" without vocals would sound like Bochum Welt. Speaking of Briney Spears, she's using Cyma on her next single, since it's produced by BT :) PS> It being trendy doesn't have to mean the genre's icons getting PS> more recognition. It usually means that more and more influences PS> of the genre seap into the mainstream...Britney Spears using a PS> Nord Modular on het next single? Stuff like that :) After the PS> mainstream public warmed to some of the sounds, some artists PS> will pop-up out of the scene. There could also be 1 artist that PS> sets the train in motion, but IDM being a 'genre' as diverse as PS> it is, it'll probably be a more subtle process. Pop-producers PS> seeking inspiration will find there's a new world of music PS> they've been ignoring... (just like that Missty Elliot producer, PS> who's name I forgot for some reason, who 'invented' breakbeats PS> in R&B :) -- Best regards, Nick mailto:ambi@mu.ru --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

on 7/5/01 3:35 AM, Pjotr Stam at fredscape@rocketmail.com wrote:

quoted 17 lines It being trendy doesn't have to mean the genre's icons getting

> It being trendy doesn't have to mean the genre's icons getting > more recognition. It usually means that more and more influences > of the genre seap into the mainstream...Britney Spears using a > Nord Modular on het next single? Stuff like that :) After the > mainstream public warmed to some of the sounds, some artists > will pop-up out of the scene. There could also be 1 artist that > sets the train in motion, but IDM being a 'genre' as diverse as > it is, it'll probably be a more subtle process. Pop-producers > seeking inspiration will find there's a new world of music > they've been ignoring... (just like that Missty Elliot producer, > who's name I forgot for some reason, who 'invented' breakbeats > in R&B :) > > my 2cts > > Pjotr > The Netherlands.

If A, then B, does not constitute if B, then A. I didn't say what you just implied in the first sentence. What I said was that because of the Tony Hawks recognition, it became popular. I was not suggesting that in order for IDM to be considered "trendy", performers like RDJ or AE had to be famous. I was merely focusing on the fact that the trends we encounter come and go. Like you said, right now, the trend is that producers of big name artist like Missy Elliot, Britney Spears, etc. are all into this "IDM" sound. Well, maybe not "all", but a good number of producers. Granted, this has caused grand exposure for this kind of music, but I don't think that anyone listening to Missy Elliot would say, "this sounds like Aphex Twin", or whatever. I don't think that half of the people out there listening to these songs and commercials have a clue of what "IDM" even means, Intellegent Dance Music. Anyway, again, just a thought Peter "Pachinko" Ý - http://www.mp3.com/pachinko - --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line (if you can't

>>(if you can't

tell, it's coffee time What, I alreay had my pot! Although I agree on the whole to your post my friend, to some degree, I personally feel that Becky is correct in her general observation. With the DEMF and Ford Motor Company sponsoring it, with the sharp influence that Mass media has on the minds of many as to what's "cool"(especially in America), coupled with the increased use of IDM "types" of music in commercials, it is becoming in-style to listen to electronic music. Why even in this barn-town-of-a-state I have noticed an upsurge in electronic music venues around town. But, you are correct, the inner core IDM may be a little too intricate for the average ear to get with! np: John Beltran's Collage of Dreams (on repeat play) :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mxyzptlk Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 7:57 AM To: Becky Earley Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] IDM becoming trendy?? At 01:13 AM 7/5/2001, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines Well I dunno I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. But I am from Michigan

>Well I dunno I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. But I am from Michigan >and it just seems like all of a sudden everyone I know and people I don't >are all into IDM all of a sudden

I haven't been following this thread, so if I say something which has been said or drop in a non-sequitor, I'm at the mercy of the list (and we all know neither sin has been committed here in the past). I find it's REALLY easy to fall into our little sub-genre pockets and "lose context" with the wider population of music consumers; as a result we start to believe that Autechre/Aphex ,etc. are names commonly dropped in your average household. Probably being a tad older than your average list-person, I've fallen victim to and seen this through ALL kinds of music fashion through the years. It's especially easy for me as I rarely do "real world" shopping anymore nor do I mess with the radio much at all. You hear something on a commercial or have some contact with a few like-minded individuals and start to think that the whole world is anxiously awaiting Slag Boom Van Loon So Soon or something (not to say YOU are guilty of this). I'm forever trapesing (when I DO these days) into record stores and assuming the counter-jockeys are going to speak my language if they "look the part" or have something palatable spinning and appear to be getting into it - and I'm forever reacquainted with the reality that MOST people have no idea as to the nature of IDM - or whatever odd subgenre/fad/fashion might be your obsession. I'm also often guilty of making the category mistake that it's the "youth" who are more hip/receptive to stylistic innovation/coloring outside the lines/whatever when it comes to music. And I'm more often than not greeted with the reality that MANY off-the-road music buyers are many times people like me...in my mid-40s, married and long-time music geeks who have WIDE musical horizons (at least relatively wide, next to radio guided listeners. Excuse the stereotypes, please :-). I'm well aware that IDM-l is predominately populated by mid- 20s males, but I think there are a good deal of people who you might not expect to be into the genre - and conversely, many MORE whom you might expect to be listening, but who are miles away and will probably not venture much closer. I just don't see IDM riding a popularity crest in the near future in terms of a broad picture. Lots of people making the music SEEM (note stress) often to be impelled to stay beyond the ken of what many people consider listenable. At least I see a bit of elitism involved in the whole venture. It is an interesting process watching the whole tension between the predominant, accepted trends in music and the maverick, oppositional ones. Eventually, the oppositional gets (to some measure) absorbed and becomes dominant. Although I can see some IDM *influences* emerging in popular trends, I'm betting that the "inner core" stuff will just become more obscure. Whatever. (if you can't tell, it's coffee time :-) jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

From: Becky Earley <kikgirl517@hotmail.com>

quoted 3 lines Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden everyone liked IDM?? I mean it's a

> Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden everyone liked IDM?? I mean it's a > good thing that people are listening to good music, but it seems like > everyone thinks it is cool lately to like Autechre and Squarepusher.

I've noticed this too, though I don't think it's a new phenomenon. Music critics love dropping these names and others, because it makes them look trendy and credible, and defuses criticism that they never like anything, or that what they like is just rehashing old stuff. I'm sure it became very hip to like Stravinsky after riots broke out at his performances. I wax and wane on music criticism...for a while I enjoy reading particular reviews and then later I get bored with the pretientiousness of it all. I enjoy reading Wire at the moment because the writers don't seem too worried about what the readers think and aren't forced into stupid rating schemes. Anig Browl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 4 lines It being trendy doesn't have to mean the genre's icons getting

> It being trendy doesn't have to mean the genre's icons getting > more recognition. It usually means that more and more influences > of the genre seap into the mainstream...Britney Spears using a > Nord Modular on het next single? Stuff like that :)

Well, that's OK too. I was into Autechre for a few years since I read an interview with them, then someone said my sound experiements sounded kinda Aphex Twin so I bought an Aphex Twin CD. Then I was reading Sound on Sound and they had an interview with Guy Sigsworth, who does some work for Madonna. He mentioned Oval, and I thought they sounded interesting, and then a month later I saw an issue of Wire with Oval prominently mentioned on the cover and realised that it was a magazine devoted to weird music (I had always thought it was just for jazz aficionados or something). Discovering that experimental/intelligent stuff had a much bigger listener base than I had thought led to me turning up on this list (so now you can blame Madonna if you don't like my posts). Anig Browl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

it is cool to listen to autechre and squarepusher.

quoted 19 lines From: "Becky Earley" <kikgirl517@hotmail.com>

>From: "Becky Earley" <kikgirl517@hotmail.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] IDM becoming trendy?? >Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 15:19:22 -0000 > >Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden everyone liked IDM?? I mean it's a >good thing that people are listening to good music, but it seems like >everyone thinks it is cool lately to like Autechre and Squarepusher. All of >a sudden it seems like everyone is talking about it.... > >maybe it's just me, but thats what it seems like... >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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I doubt Britney would notice if a Nord Modular was used on her next single...in a recent interview I had with her...I asked her what she thought of the whole electronica/IDM thing...her response: "Hee hee...look at my boobs...aren't they the IDMest chunks of flesh you've ever seen...???" And you know what...she was right... :) RoNAn P.S. Breakbeats in R&B (even though it holds no relation to what R&B used to be), is a bad thing...hell, I like Missy E, and some of that other stuff...and I don't want to...next thing you know, I'll be liking UK Garage... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pjotr Stam" <fredscape@rocketmail.com> To: "Peter Schrock" <pachinko74@mac.com>; "anyone and everyone and" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [idm] IDM becoming trendy??

quoted 12 lines It being trendy doesn't have to mean the genre's icons getting

> It being trendy doesn't have to mean the genre's icons getting > more recognition. It usually means that more and more influences > of the genre seap into the mainstream...Britney Spears using a > Nord Modular on het next single? Stuff like that :) After the > mainstream public warmed to some of the sounds, some artists > will pop-up out of the scene. There could also be 1 artist that > sets the train in motion, but IDM being a 'genre' as diverse as > it is, it'll probably be a more subtle process. Pop-producers > seeking inspiration will find there's a new world of music > they've been ignoring... (just like that Missty Elliot producer, > who's name I forgot for some reason, who 'invented' breakbeats > in R&B :)

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quoted 2 lines I doubt Britney would notice if a Nord Modular was used on her next

> I doubt Britney would notice if a Nord Modular was used on her next > single...

What I really want to hear is a studio duet between Mariah Carey and Aphex Twin. Mariah Carey makes Britney Spears look like Alberta Einstein. On being told of the death of the King of Jordan last year, she described it as a 'great loss to basketball'. Anig Browl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 4 lines day, a passenger in my car said that "this sounds like

> day, a passenger in my car said that "this sounds like > an Atari game" with some disgust in his voice in > reference to Go Plastic. There are many places it has > not caught on for sure!

I've heard similar comments from a lot of people about electronic music when I play something weird at them. It makes me wonder how much influence video games sound tracks have had on techno. I remember listening/watching Commodore 64 demos in the late 80s which were pretty trancey, and I'm really sorry I wasn't more clued in at that time. Video game music has always been a big thing for me, I can still hum themes from favorite old arcade games and of course the sound effects are a big inspiration. My favorite music (admittedly cheesy) is the theme from 'Super Locomotive', though 'Battle Zone' had a cool minimal charm. So, I guess I'm asking what's the IDM-est videogame sountrack (ducks for cover). Anig Browl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Hehe, I have no idea, but there's a page that specialize in up-to-date versions of classics here: http://remix.kwed.org/ And also, You can download the High Voltage Sid Collection (it's some 90 megs, I think, and there are 16000 songs in it ... gotta love the storage needs of those ancient things) at http://hvsc.c64.org/ I love these old things... -Carth Anig Browl said at ÒRe: [idm] IDM becoming trendy??Ó. [Jul/05/2001 23:30]

quoted 40 lines From: John Counts <polycyclicism@yahoo.com>

> From: John Counts <polycyclicism@yahoo.com> > > > day, a passenger in my car said that "this sounds like > > an Atari game" with some disgust in his voice in > > reference to Go Plastic. There are many places it has > > not caught on for sure! > > I've heard similar comments from a lot of people about electronic music > when > I play something weird at them. It makes me wonder how much influence > video > games sound tracks have had on techno. I remember listening/watching > Commodore 64 demos in the late 80s which were pretty trancey, and I'm > really > sorry I wasn't more clued in at that time. Video game music has always > been > a big thing for me, I can still hum themes from favorite old arcade games > and of course the sound effects are a big inspiration. My favorite music > (admittedly cheesy) is the theme from 'Super Locomotive', though 'Battle > Zone' had a cool minimal charm. So, I guess I'm asking what's the IDM-est > videogame sountrack (ducks for cover). > > Anig Browl > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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I think to characterise the whole of IDM as becoming more popular is stupid (almost as stupid as saying that all rap music is boring and crap), I don't think that albums like Confield will ever be mainstream they are just too demanding, but almost everyone likes "easy" IDM, such as BOC, its simply not unlikeable, people who denounce electronic music as twittery shite hear it and are almost at once converted to its cause. However the number of people who say "This sounds like computer game music, dont't you find it boring?" is still high enough to be annoying. Most people just can't be bothered to listen unless the music has lyrics, hence the popularity of artists like Bjork who fuse a more interesting electronic sound with catchy friendly lyrics. Ditto Moloko, Chemical Bros, Prodigy (?) etc. I think that the logical progression for a proportion of the people who like these rock/electonic fusion bands will move on to Class A electronica, whilst the rest will bugger off and dance to fads like trance and company. Compared to when I started listening about 4 years ago it is now super-popular. All the major artists' singles charge up the UK dance/indie charts to No.1. and nearly everyone will have heard of aphex "he's that guy with the freaky videos ain't he?" twin, with squarepusher rapidly bringing up the rear with his "garage hit" my red hot car. Certainly every music journo worth his salt will soon have been listening for the last 20 years and have a copy of analogue bubblebath 2 in his collection dating from the days when he and Mr James were riding his tank through bank vaults near his prison, using copies of mask 100 for target practice etc etc etc... georgewilliamson

quoted 3 lines Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden everyone liked IDM?? I mean it's a

> Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden everyone liked IDM?? I mean it's a > good thing that people are listening to good music, but it seems like > everyone thinks it is cool lately to like Autechre and Squarepusher. All

of

quoted 3 lines a sudden it seems like everyone is talking about it....

> a sudden it seems like everyone is talking about it.... > > maybe it's just me, but thats what it seems like...

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Almost on topic- There is a new Reebok commercial which features a completely chopped up cut up William Tell Overture (Puccini I think) with some drill 'n bass type beats not unlike some Squarepusher stuff. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line everyone thinks it is cool lately to like Autechre and Squarepusher. All

> everyone thinks it is cool lately to like Autechre and Squarepusher. All

of

quoted 1 line a sudden it seems like everyone is talking about it....

> a sudden it seems like everyone is talking about it....

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quoted 1 line There is a new Reebok commercial which features a completely chopped up

> There is a new Reebok commercial which features a completely chopped up

cut

quoted 2 lines up William Tell Overture (Puccini I think) with some drill 'n bass type

> up William Tell Overture (Puccini I think) with some drill 'n bass type > beats not unlike some Squarepusher stuff.

That's DJ Shadow. Shit you not. I have it on .mp3 somewhere. Killer little ditty, ne? Incidentally, the original version of that commercial, first aired during Survivor, after the Superbowl, I think, had a section where this guy was standing in the street, and appeared to do a standing leap over a car that was driving by. He jumped high enough to clear the car, but in reality, the car was slightly to the side of him. So ... in true Darwin Awards form, some jackass tried it with a real car. Errrr-KACHUNK. I believe they took that part out of the collage. People are stupid. Fantastic commercial, though, yeah? And the beats go right along with it. peace, Chris In/Flux Collective --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

The version of that commercial that I downloaded off adcritic.com had the guy jumping in it. I didn't notice the car was to the side, but oh well. I like the track as well. =) Also, it's amazing how stupid people are. -Mikkel Sonar said at ÒRe: [idm] IDM becoming trendy??Ó. [Jul/06/2001 00:14]

quoted 31 lines There is a new Reebok commercial which features a completely chopped up

> > > There is a new Reebok commercial which features a completely chopped up > cut > > up William Tell Overture (Puccini I think) with some drill 'n bass type > > beats not unlike some Squarepusher stuff. > > That's DJ Shadow. Shit you not. I have it on .mp3 somewhere. Killer > little ditty, ne? > > Incidentally, the original version of that commercial, first aired during > Survivor, after the Superbowl, I think, had a section where this guy was > standing in the street, and appeared to do a standing leap over a car that > was driving by. He jumped high enough to clear the car, but in reality, > the > car was slightly to the side of him. So ... in true Darwin Awards form, > some jackass tried it with a real car. Errrr-KACHUNK. I believe they > took > that part out of the collage. People are stupid. > > Fantastic commercial, though, yeah? And the beats go right along with it. > > peace, > Chris > In/Flux Collective > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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I'm interested to see how the new Aphex "drukqs" release will play into all this. Windowlicker was a step in the the [more widespread acceptance] direction. Given continued "progress" in that manner and a full fledged hyping by mtv2, it could definitely make an appearance on the radar of people not normally exposed_to/interested_in IDM. progress was in quotes, so just shoot me in the kneecaps instead of the face. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

"Video games don't affect kids. I mean, if video games affected us as kids, we'd all be sitting around in dark rooms eating magic pills and listening to electronic music..." Heh. OK, my all time favorite video game sound (there were a bunch in that Shadow / Reebok commercial piece) is Mix Master Mike, off of Anti-Theft Device, forget the name of the song, track 3 on the CD, I think. "instead, turn your radio up as loud as it will go ... " (which I always do) and it BLASTS the character intro/warp sound from Joust. Front and center. I play that little interlude in clubs sometimes ... always makes people really stop and forget about their drinks. Defender sounds are everywhere, too. C. np :: Plaid / Buddy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anig Browl" <anig_browl@yahoo.com> To: "IDM List" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [idm] IDM becoming trendy??

quoted 8 lines From: John Counts <polycyclicism@yahoo.com>

> From: John Counts <polycyclicism@yahoo.com> > > > day, a passenger in my car said that "this sounds like > > an Atari game" with some disgust in his voice in > > reference to Go Plastic. There are many places it has > > not caught on for sure! > > I've heard similar comments from a lot of people about electronic music

when

quoted 1 line I play something weird at them. It makes me wonder how much influence

> I play something weird at them. It makes me wonder how much influence

video

quoted 2 lines games sound tracks have had on techno. I remember listening/watching

> games sound tracks have had on techno. I remember listening/watching > Commodore 64 demos in the late 80s which were pretty trancey, and I'm

really

quoted 1 line sorry I wasn't more clued in at that time. Video game music has always

> sorry I wasn't more clued in at that time. Video game music has always

been

quoted 19 lines a big thing for me, I can still hum themes from favorite old arcade games

> a big thing for me, I can still hum themes from favorite old arcade games > and of course the sound effects are a big inspiration. My favorite music > (admittedly cheesy) is the theme from 'Super Locomotive', though 'Battle > Zone' had a cool minimal charm. So, I guess I'm asking what's the IDM-est > videogame sountrack (ducks for cover). > > Anig Browl > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Oh, and by the way, that DEFY Reebok commercial was directed by Spike Jonze. The original at least. I heard that a new version aired recently during the Simpsons that was different (more legit sports clips). culture jamming, C. np :: Plaid / New Bass Hippo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Check out the tune to Ikari Warriors...now there was a great game... :) RoNAn P.S. Yeah...I have it somewhere, for those interested... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anig Browl" <anig_browl@yahoo.com> To: "IDM List" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [idm] IDM becoming trendy??

quoted 8 lines From: John Counts <polycyclicism@yahoo.com>

> From: John Counts <polycyclicism@yahoo.com> > > > day, a passenger in my car said that "this sounds like > > an Atari game" with some disgust in his voice in > > reference to Go Plastic. There are many places it has > > not caught on for sure! > > I've heard similar comments from a lot of people about electronic music

when

quoted 1 line I play something weird at them. It makes me wonder how much influence

> I play something weird at them. It makes me wonder how much influence

video

quoted 2 lines games sound tracks have had on techno. I remember listening/watching

> games sound tracks have had on techno. I remember listening/watching > Commodore 64 demos in the late 80s which were pretty trancey, and I'm

really

quoted 1 line sorry I wasn't more clued in at that time. Video game music has always

> sorry I wasn't more clued in at that time. Video game music has always

been

quoted 7 lines a big thing for me, I can still hum themes from favorite old arcade games

> a big thing for me, I can still hum themes from favorite old arcade games > and of course the sound effects are a big inspiration. My favorite music > (admittedly cheesy) is the theme from 'Super Locomotive', though 'Battle > Zone' had a cool minimal charm. So, I guess I'm asking what's the IDM-est > videogame sountrack (ducks for cover). > > Anig Browl

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that's better than what one of my friends said about autechre....'is that a stapler?'

quoted 28 lines From: John Counts <polycyclicism@yahoo.com>

>From: John Counts <polycyclicism@yahoo.com> >To: Idm <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] IDM becoming trendy?? >Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:43:11 -0700 (PDT) > > > wrote: > > > > Has anyone noticed how all of a sudden everyone > > liked IDM?? > No, actually. If the explosion of IDM is turning >you off, come to Springfield, MO. where just the other >day, a passenger in my car said that "this sounds like >an Atari game" with some disgust in his voice in >reference to Go Plastic. There are many places it has >not caught on for sure! > John > >P.S. the said passenger didn't realize that I took his >comment about the Atari game like a compliment :) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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heh, that's pretty amusing. i guess i have to thank my first boyfriends roommate for handing me my first joint and exposing me to amber back sometime in 94/95ish

quoted 37 lines From: "Anig Browl" <anig_browl@yahoo.com>

>From: "Anig Browl" <anig_browl@yahoo.com> >To: "IDM List" <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] IDM becoming trendy?? >Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:50:09 +0100 > >From: Pjotr Stam <fredscape@rocketmail.com> > > > It being trendy doesn't have to mean the genre's icons getting > > more recognition. It usually means that more and more influences > > of the genre seap into the mainstream...Britney Spears using a > > Nord Modular on het next single? Stuff like that :) > >Well, that's OK too. I was into Autechre for a few years since I read an >interview with them, then someone said my sound experiements sounded kinda >Aphex Twin so I bought an Aphex Twin CD. Then I was reading Sound on Sound >and they had an interview with Guy Sigsworth, who does some work for >Madonna. He mentioned Oval, and I thought they sounded interesting, and >then >a month later I saw an issue of Wire with Oval prominently mentioned on the >cover and realised that it was a magazine devoted to weird music (I had >always thought it was just for jazz aficionados or something). Discovering >that experimental/intelligent stuff had a much bigger listener base than I >had thought led to me turning up on this list (so now you can blame Madonna >if you don't like my posts). > >Anig Browl > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 8 lines From: "nobo jackson" <iamnobojackson@hotmail.com>

>From: "nobo jackson" <iamnobojackson@hotmail.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: re: [idm] IDM becoming trendy?? >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 22:58:15 -0000 > >I'm interested to see how the new Aphex "drukqs" release will play into all >this. Windowlicker was a step in the the [more widespread acceptance] >direction.

We'll see d00d. I think Windowlicker's fuckin' weird. It's got funny malfunctionized beatz and a really odd use of voice. I like it. Ebola np: Tool _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

IDM wasn't trendy when you started liking it. You are a trend setter. Everyone who started liking IDM after you was doing it to be trendy. You were the first person on your block to own a VW beetle and you had a favorable ebay rating long before they got funding. rw --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 4 lines IDM wasn't trendy when you started liking it. You are a trend setter.

> IDM wasn't trendy when you started liking it. You are a trend setter. > Everyone who started liking IDM after you was doing it to be trendy. You > were the first person on your block to own a VW beetle and you had a > favorable ebay rating long before they got funding.

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quoted 5 lines From: John Counts <polycyclicism@yahoo.com>

>From: John Counts <polycyclicism@yahoo.com> > >> day, a passenger in my car said that "this sounds like >> an Atari game" with some disgust in his voice in > reference to Go Plastic.

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quoted 2 lines it's been 'cool' to listen to autechre and squarepusher

>it's been 'cool' to listen to autechre and squarepusher >for years.

really? maybe i'm giving people too much credit, but i had assumed people listened to SQP and AE because they liked the music? i dunno, maybe that's stretching it... luke _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

will do

quoted 26 lines From: "dan" <d.barker@twinwave.net>

>From: "dan" <d.barker@twinwave.net> >To: "Luke C" <nkey04@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: [idm] IDM becoming trendy?? >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:21:10 -0700 > >twist my words a bit more next time. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luke C" <nkey04@hotmail.com> >To: <d.barker@twinwave.net> >Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 6:41 PM >Subject: Re: [idm] IDM becoming trendy?? > > > > >it's been 'cool' to listen to autechre and squarepusher > > >for years. > > > > really? > > maybe i'm giving people too much credit, but i had assumed people >listened > > to SQP and AE because they liked the music? > > > > i dunno, maybe that's stretching it... > > > > luke >

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