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2004-07-18 22:57Charles Freeman [idm] idm/experimental demo submission mailing list
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2004-07-18 22:57Charles Freemanhi all, i'm sending out a demo mailing and need addresses. anyone have lists to share/trad
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hi all, i'm sending out a demo mailing and need addresses. anyone have lists to share/trade? -groundchuck http://groundchuck.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-18 23:18Ayfastis it just me or does everything warp put out after "ultravisitor" suck ass? they fell off
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is it just me or does everything warp put out after "ultravisitor" suck ass? they fell off REAL hard. i guess great things don't last forever. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-19 00:07max0666on 7/18/04 6:18 PM, Ayfast at ateoate909@yahoo.com wrote: > is it just me or does everythi
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on 7/18/04 6:18 PM, Ayfast at ateoate909@yahoo.com wrote:
quoted 3 lines is it just me or does everything warp put out after> is it just me or does everything warp put out after > "ultravisitor" suck ass? they fell off REAL hard. i > guess great things don't last forever.
Hmmmm...seems to me they fell off long before "Ultravistor"(which isn't good either)..... np: Autechre-"Crystel" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-19 02:16chthonic streams>on 7/18/04 6:18 PM, Ayfast at ateoate909@yahoo.com wrote: > >> is it just me or does ever
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quoted 9 lines on 7/18/04 6:18 PM, Ayfast at ateoate909@yahoo.com wrote:>on 7/18/04 6:18 PM, Ayfast at ateoate909@yahoo.com wrote: > >> is it just me or does everything warp put out after >> "ultravisitor" suck ass? they fell off REAL hard. i >> guess great things don't last forever. > > >Hmmmm...seems to me they fell off long before "Ultravistor"(which isn't good >either).....
i think it was kid606 who made a great point that if you're doing experimental music you have to accept that sometimes the experiment isn't going to work. being that warp is supposedly an electronic and experimental music label, i'd apply this here. seems to me warp is trying to expand out of being a pure "IDM" label by signing vincent gallo, broadcast, and !!! maybe these aren't all great choices or albums (although i like gallo's), but they're trying something different. if they think it's not working maybe they'll try something else. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-19 03:18andrew jonesit's been years since I heard anything good on Warp or in idm in general. !!! I actually k
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it's been years since I heard anything good on Warp or in idm in general. !!! I actually kinda like and that Gravenhurst warp just put out is getting good press but the last chris clark/ almost everything else has left me un--impressed. - a On Sunday, July 18, 2004, at 10:16 PM, chthonic streams wrote:
quoted 30 lines on 7/18/04 6:18 PM, Ayfast at ateoate909@yahoo.com wrote:>> on 7/18/04 6:18 PM, Ayfast at ateoate909@yahoo.com wrote: >> >>> is it just me or does everything warp put out after >>> "ultravisitor" suck ass? they fell off REAL hard. i >>> guess great things don't last forever. >> >> >> Hmmmm...seems to me they fell off long before "Ultravistor"(which >> isn't good >> either)..... > > i think it was kid606 who made a great point that if you're doing > experimental music you have to accept that sometimes the experiment > isn't going to work. being that warp is supposedly an electronic and > experimental music label, i'd apply this here. seems to me warp is > trying to expand out of being a pure "IDM" label by signing vincent > gallo, broadcast, and !!! > > maybe these aren't all great choices or albums (although i like > gallo's), but they're trying something different. if they think it's > not working maybe they'll try something else. > > > d. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2004-07-19 17:05Allen GoodmanAm I the only one who believes Warp's notoriety came from putting out more dance-friendly
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Am I the only one who believes Warp's notoriety came from putting out more dance-friendly records than IDM? The Black Dog catalog, the LFO catalog, Aphex Twin's 'Selected Ambient Works 85-92', Polygon Window's 'Surfing on Sine Waves', the original 'Artificial Intelligence' compilation, Speedy J's 'Ginger', etc. These are the releases that defined Warp. When the whole IDM craze happened and was defined, I thought that's when much of Warp's lackluster records were coming out. Especially since Planet Mu, Rephlex, Skam, etc. were already getting a massive amount of attention (and deservedly so) by putting out so many great records in such a short span of time. In my opinion, it's been a departure that's been going on for a while now and there have been many great releases (both of Gallo's releases immediately come to mind). Oh well amg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-19 04:12Josh Shoemakerwhat about the new shadetek release? i thought that was ill... -j shoe >From: andrew jones
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what about the new shadetek release? i thought that was ill... -j shoe
quoted 56 lines From: andrew jones <liminal18@mac.com>>From: andrew jones <liminal18@mac.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] warp fell off >Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 23:18:46 -0400 > >it's been years since I heard anything good on Warp or in idm in general. >!!! I actually kinda like and that Gravenhurst warp just put out is >getting good press but the last chris clark/ almost everything else >has left me un--impressed. > >- >a > >On Sunday, July 18, 2004, at 10:16 PM, chthonic streams wrote: > >>>on 7/18/04 6:18 PM, Ayfast at ateoate909@yahoo.com wrote: >>> >>>> is it just me or does everything warp put out after >>>> "ultravisitor" suck ass? they fell off REAL hard. i >>>> guess great things don't last forever. >>> >>> >>>Hmmmm...seems to me they fell off long before "Ultravistor"(which isn't >>>good >>>either)..... >> >>i think it was kid606 who made a great point that if you're doing >>experimental music you have to accept that sometimes the experiment isn't >>going to work. being that warp is supposedly an electronic and >>experimental music label, i'd apply this here. seems to me warp is trying >>to expand out of being a pure "IDM" label by signing vincent gallo, >>broadcast, and !!! >> >>maybe these aren't all great choices or albums (although i like gallo's), >>but they're trying something different. if they think it's not working >>maybe they'll try something else. >> >> >>d. >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >Andrew Jones >912 Euclid Ave. >Birmingham, AL, 35213 >407-927-7607 >aim: liminal18 > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2004-07-19 05:11andrew joneslive their good and yeah there's some good stuff on Burnerism, but for the most part it se
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live their good and yeah there's some good stuff on Burnerism, but for the most part it seems like IDM has lost it's steam. - a On Monday, July 19, 2004, at 12:12 AM, Josh Shoemaker wrote:
quoted 73 lines what about the new shadetek release? i thought that was ill...> what about the new shadetek release? i thought that was ill... > > -j shoe > > >> From: andrew jones <liminal18@mac.com> >> To: idm@hyperreal.org >> Subject: Re: [idm] warp fell off >> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 23:18:46 -0400 >> >> it's been years since I heard anything good on Warp or in idm in >> general. >> !!! I actually kinda like and that Gravenhurst warp just put out is >> getting good press but the last chris clark/ almost everything else >> has left me un--impressed. >> >> - >> a >> >> On Sunday, July 18, 2004, at 10:16 PM, chthonic streams wrote: >> >>>> on 7/18/04 6:18 PM, Ayfast at ateoate909@yahoo.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> is it just me or does everything warp put out after >>>>> "ultravisitor" suck ass? they fell off REAL hard. i >>>>> guess great things don't last forever. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hmmmm...seems to me they fell off long before "Ultravistor"(which >>>> isn't good >>>> either)..... >>> >>> i think it was kid606 who made a great point that if you're doing >>> experimental music you have to accept that sometimes the experiment >>> isn't going to work. being that warp is supposedly an electronic >>> and experimental music label, i'd apply this here. seems to me warp >>> is trying to expand out of being a pure "IDM" label by signing >>> vincent gallo, broadcast, and !!! >>> >>> maybe these aren't all great choices or albums (although i like >>> gallo's), but they're trying something different. if they think >>> it's not working maybe they'll try something else. >>> >>> >>> d. >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >> Andrew Jones >> 912 Euclid Ave. >> Birmingham, AL, 35213 >> 407-927-7607 >> aim: liminal18 >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! > http://dollar.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2004-07-19 05:31chthonic streams>>>From: andrew jones <liminal18@mac.com> >>>To: idm@hyperreal.org >>>Subject: Re: [idm] w
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quoted 9 lines From: andrew jones <liminal18@mac.com>>>>From: andrew jones <liminal18@mac.com> >>>To: idm@hyperreal.org >>>Subject: Re: [idm] warp fell off >>>Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 23:18:46 -0400 >>> >>>it's been years since I heard anything good on Warp or in idm in general. >>>!!! I actually kinda like and that Gravenhurst warp just put out is >>>getting good press but the last chris clark/ almost everything else >>>has left me un--impressed.
i really like the second chris clark. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-19 13:25Adam Piontekchthonic streams wrote: >>>> From: andrew jones <liminal18@mac.com> >>>> >>>> it's been ye
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quoted 9 lines From: andrew jones <liminal18@mac.com>>>>> From: andrew jones <liminal18@mac.com> >>>> >>>> it's been years since I heard anything good on Warp or in idm in >>>> general. >>>> !!! I actually kinda like and that Gravenhurst warp just put out is >>>> getting good press but the last chris clark/ almost everything else >>>> has left me un--impressed. > > i really like the second chris clark.
I liked 1-2 tracks on it... I'll jump on the "me too" bandwagon, legitimately because I was just thinking about this a couple days ago after going to Warp's site for the first time in months to see what they were up to. After listening to samples for some of the new stuff I hadn't heard about, I can honestly say I haven't liked anything they've released since about 2001, excepting the more long-standing artists on their roster. I really like all the recent Autechre releases, I loved Plaid's Spokes after a few listens, and I've always liked Broadcast since Warp first got them in '97/98, though they are pretty different and I don't listen to them much. The only exception to this exception rule has been Two Lone Swordsmen - I really dug their previous Warp releases, but the last one was too much of a departure for me. It's too bad they got rid of Jimi Tenor, though good for Jimi - his releases since leaving Warp, esp. the recent "Beyond The Stars", have been excellent! Not IDM (I go to Merck for that now), but good for me. For the people who say IDM is running out of steam, I don't think Warp has really released any IDM in ages. (Well, IDM as I like it/know it - I know the "definition" is pretty broad.) Experimental hip hop and electronic-indy-rock hybrids is what I see coming out of them for the past couple years. They can do what they want but it's just not my thing. I think they want to be Matador. I wish them success, and I'll still get the next BoC release, but I've long since stopped even keeping tabs on everything they release, let alone buying them. Though kudos to Warp for setting up Bleep - nothing I want yet, but it's a promising enterprise... On a related tip, Skam is the same way for me. Haven't liked anything they've put out in the last couple years except the Bola & Freeform albums. And speaking of electronic-indy-rock hybrids, if you *are* into that sort of thing, the new Capitol K album "Happy Happy" does it really well, with a nice kind of brit-pop spin. Too bad for me, though, because I wanted more of what he was doing before, which was more funky, dancy, psychedelic... -adamp damek.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-19 13:53chthonic streams>And speaking of electronic-indy-rock hybrids, if you *are* into that >sort of thing, the
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quoted 3 lines And speaking of electronic-indy-rock hybrids, if you *are* into that>And speaking of electronic-indy-rock hybrids, if you *are* into that >sort of thing, the new Capitol K album "Happy Happy" does it really >well, with a nice kind of brit-pop spin.
sounds interesting. although morr music is really the center for that hybrid, right? d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-19 14:42Adam Piontekchthonic streams wrote: >> And speaking of electronic-indy-rock hybrids, if you *are* into
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quoted 6 lines And speaking of electronic-indy-rock hybrids, if you *are* into that>> And speaking of electronic-indy-rock hybrids, if you *are* into that >> sort of thing, the new Capitol K album "Happy Happy" does it really >> well, with a nice kind of brit-pop spin. > > sounds interesting. although morr music is really the center for that > hybrid, right?
Maybe. I dunno, since I'm not really into the sound I don't listen to morr music much. What I am familiar with, I think of as more subdued, minimalist... and kind of German/Euro electronic/indyrock hybrid. The Capitol K has a more upbeat New York/U.K. feel to it, a bit more poppy, more guitar & "traditional" sounding. More rock, less electronic. In my humble, vague & non-descriptive opinion :/ -adamp damek.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-19 12:49Ayfastmore like made me ill. --- Josh Shoemaker <shoe_funk@hotmail.com> wrote: > what about the
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more like made me ill. --- Josh Shoemaker <shoe_funk@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 20 lines what about the new shadetek release? i thought that> what about the new shadetek release? i thought that > was ill... > > -j shoe > > > >From: andrew jones <liminal18@mac.com> > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] warp fell off > >Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 23:18:46 -0400 > > > >it's been years since I heard anything good on Warp > or in idm in general. > >!!! I actually kinda like and that Gravenhurst warp > just put out is > >getting good press but the last chris clark/ almost > everything else > >has left me un--impressed. > > > >-
quoted 65 lines a> >a > > > >On Sunday, July 18, 2004, at 10:16 PM, chthonic > streams wrote: > > > >>>on 7/18/04 6:18 PM, Ayfast at > ateoate909@yahoo.com wrote: > >>> > >>>> is it just me or does everything warp put out > after > >>>> "ultravisitor" suck ass? they fell off REAL > hard. i > >>>> guess great things don't last forever. > >>> > >>> > >>>Hmmmm...seems to me they fell off long before > "Ultravistor"(which isn't > >>>good > >>>either)..... > >> > >>i think it was kid606 who made a great point that > if you're doing > >>experimental music you have to accept that > sometimes the experiment isn't > >>going to work. being that warp is supposedly an > electronic and > >>experimental music label, i'd apply this here. > seems to me warp is trying > >>to expand out of being a pure "IDM" label by > signing vincent gallo, > >>broadcast, and !!! > >> > >>maybe these aren't all great choices or albums > (although i like gallo's), > >>but they're trying something different. if they > think it's not working > >>maybe they'll try something else. > >> > >> > >>d. > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: > idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > >Andrew Jones > >912 Euclid Ave. > >Birmingham, AL, 35213 > >407-927-7607 > >aim: liminal18 > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >
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2004-07-19 04:15seeklektek----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Shoemaker" > what about the new shadetek release?
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quoted 2 lines what about the new shadetek release? i thought that was ill...> what about the new shadetek release? i thought that was ill... > -j shoe
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2004-07-19 15:14Albers, BrianWarp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in the 90's. In the early days of all thre
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Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in the 90's. In the early days of all three of those labels, they put out some really great stuff for the times. It always seems, though, that when a label adds more and more artists to their roster, it's inevitable that the signature "sound" of that label loses focus. Nevermind that over the years the bands themselves will change their sound considerably. Case in point- the new Two Lone Swordsmen rock album. I'm not exactly waiting for Warp to release an "electronic tribute to the Buzzcocks" or anything like that anytime soon, though... I have to agree with you. I haven't bought a Warp product in years. I guess I'll check out the compilations when they put those out, but I seem to generally expect more hip hop and rockish stuff from Warp these days. > is it just me or does everything warp put out after > "ultravisitor" suck ass? they fell off REAL hard. i > guess great things don't last forever.
2004-07-19 15:58Def Con 1--- "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@premiereradio.com> wrote: > Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatr
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quoted 4 lines Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in> Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in > the 90's. In the early days of all three of those > labels, they put out some really great stuff for the > times.
Wow, I always thought Cleopatra & Invisible were total shit labels. I mean embarassingly bad! The only cool things that that Cleopatra/Hypnotic ever put out was Kraftwerk & FSOL. Just because they happen to license two good releases doesn't make them a good label when the other 99% of the back catalog is total crap. The only good thing on Invisible was Not Breathing. I think Warp's history is FAR FAR better than that.
quoted 4 lines It always seems, though, that when a label> It always seems, though, that when a label > adds more and more artists to their roster, it's > inevitable that the signature "sound" of that label > loses focus.
I don't think Warp wants to pigeonhold themselves to one style of music. They've obviously have shown interest in indie material releasing Stereolab, Broadcast, hip hop with the Lex label, experimental with like of Masami Akita & Russell Haswell and Jamie Lidell etc. I don't think they expect everyone to like all their releases. Perhaps they are trying to attract different audiences to their label.
quoted 2 lines Nevermind that over the years the bands> Nevermind that over the years the bands > themselves will change their sound considerably.
Artists should push themselves so that they don't keep re-hashing the same kind of material over and over.
quoted 4 lines Case in point- the new Two Lone Swordsmen rock> Case in point- the new Two Lone Swordsmen rock > album. I'm not exactly waiting for Warp to release > an "electronic tribute to the Buzzcocks" or anything > like that anytime soon, though...
Tribute albums usually blow with few exception. I think it's rather pathetic that the only way Cleopatra has managed to stay around is putting out tribute cds.
quoted 5 lines I have to agree with you. I haven't bought a Warp> I have to agree with you. I haven't bought a Warp > product in years. I guess I'll check out the > compilations when they put those out, but I seem to > generally expect more hip hop and rockish stuff from > Warp these days.
Very little idm is innovative these days. Sure, it has all the clever tricks dsp, randomness, clicks, stutters and shit, but are the melodies really good? I think a lot of these tunes are piss poor and they try to hide that with glitches, etc. Well when everyone does that it makes all the whole genre kind of boring. It's obvious from the content on this list that few people are inspired by the music coming out. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-19 16:44Jeff/Ninja TuneI think in order to survive and be relevant in the long run that every good indie label ne
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I think in order to survive and be relevant in the long run that every good indie label needs to take some chances. And let's face it, even though they're not all winners, you can't fault someone for trying some different paths. In my mind all the great indies stopped toeing the same line and eventually became known for just putting out good music regardless of what genre it fell into (Beggars isn't exactly just known for Bauhaus anymore, Matador, Sub Pop, Touch & Go). And I'm sure Warp, much like us here, would like to think their fans listen to a lot of different music and would be down for the fact that they're trying some different things. I also think Warp also has enough acts sounding like 'Warp' to keep your die hard fans happy and don't need to sign more of the same when those people are already doing it right. Jeff On 19-Jul-04, at 11:14 AM, Albers, Brian wrote:
quoted 23 lines Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in the 90's. In the> Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in the 90's. In the > early days of all three of those labels, they put out some really > great stuff for the times. It always seems, though, that when a label > adds more and more artists to their roster, it's inevitable that the > signature "sound" of that label loses focus. Nevermind that over the > years the bands themselves will change their sound considerably. Case > in point- the new Two Lone Swordsmen rock album. I'm not exactly > waiting for Warp to release an "electronic tribute to the Buzzcocks" > or anything like that anytime soon, though... > > I have to agree with you. I haven't bought a Warp product in years. I > guess I'll check out the compilations when they put those out, but I > seem to generally expect more hip hop and rockish stuff from Warp > these days. > > > > > is it just me or does everything warp put out after > > "ultravisitor" suck ass? they fell off REAL hard. i > > guess great things don't last forever. > > >
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2004-07-19 16:50Jason Clarkalthough i'm not the biggest fan, when !!! played here in louisville a couple weeks ago, t
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although i'm not the biggest fan, when !!! played here in louisville a couple weeks ago, they packed the house on a weekday night, and the younger kids were going bonkers for their music. kudos to Warp for trying something different. ~jason www.krack.org On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:44:51 -0400, Jeff/Ninja Tune <jeff@ninjatune.net> wrote:
quoted 50 lines I think in order to survive and be relevant in the long run that every> I think in order to survive and be relevant in the long run that every > good indie label needs to take some chances. And let's face it, even > though they're not all winners, you can't fault someone for trying some > different paths. In my mind all the great indies stopped toeing the > same line and eventually became known for just putting out good music > regardless of what genre it fell into (Beggars isn't exactly just known > for Bauhaus anymore, Matador, Sub Pop, Touch & Go). And I'm sure Warp, > much like us here, would like to think their fans listen to a lot of > different music and would be down for the fact that they're trying some > different things. I also think Warp also has enough acts sounding like > 'Warp' to keep your die hard fans happy and don't need to sign more of > the same when those people are already doing it right. > > Jeff > > > > > On 19-Jul-04, at 11:14 AM, Albers, Brian wrote: > > > Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in the 90's. In the > > early days of all three of those labels, they put out some really > > great stuff for the times. It always seems, though, that when a label > > adds more and more artists to their roster, it's inevitable that the > > signature "sound" of that label loses focus. Nevermind that over the > > years the bands themselves will change their sound considerably. Case > > in point- the new Two Lone Swordsmen rock album. I'm not exactly > > waiting for Warp to release an "electronic tribute to the Buzzcocks" > > or anything like that anytime soon, though... > > > > I have to agree with you. I haven't bought a Warp product in years. I > > guess I'll check out the compilations when they put those out, but I > > seem to generally expect more hip hop and rockish stuff from Warp > > these days. > > > > > > > > > is it just me or does everything warp put out after > > > "ultravisitor" suck ass? they fell off REAL hard. i > > > guess great things don't last forever. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2004-07-19 15:47visaSo what labels do cane it these days? Planet Mu is pretty hit or miss to me and most of wh
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So what labels do cane it these days? Planet Mu is pretty hit or miss to me and most of what Merck puts out is too predictable and formulaic for my tastes... Are there still labels you find dependable? --Visa --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-19 15:49DavidASim@aol.com> Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in the 90's. In the early days of all th
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quoted 1 line Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in the 90's. In the early> Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in the 90's. In the early
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quoted 1 line those labels, they put out some really great stuff for the times. It always> those labels, they put out some really great stuff for the times. It always
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quoted 1 line that when a label adds more and more artists to their roster, it's> that when a label adds more and more artists to their roster, it's
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quoted 1 line signature "sound" of that label loses focus.> signature "sound" of that label loses focus.
Certainly Warp have no longer got a zeitgeist-humping signature sound. It's not quite clear whether this is because they've lost their A&R edge, or whether they've just decided that putting out a series of diverse records that they like is more important than being at the cutting edge of what some mailing list considers to be the core IDM sound. Or indeed, whether in a year or so, the current series of Warp releases will be genre touchstones like Artificial Intelligences, and we'll all be kicking ourselves for being so slow. Although this seems less likely. They also seem to suffer rather from the fact that the idm list, for a bunch of fans of self consciously progressive and eclectic music, gets very annoyed when people progress in a way they didn't expect.</troll> David
2004-07-19 16:09Adam PiontekWell I don't think there's any need to turn this around into an IDM-list selfhatefest or a
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Well I don't think there's any need to turn this around into an IDM-list selfhatefest or anything (not that you have, but it looks like it'll go that way soon). Warp (or anyone!) can do what they want, and more power to them. That's the whole point, right? Go out and do what you enjoy doing, if you can. I hope they're putting out music they like and leaving it at that. But people can still talk about Warp falling off relative to what they like, and maybe turn it into a positivie thread, like visa asked, what labels do it for you these days then? Instead of a negative, bitter, cynical, "the IDM list is a lame bunch of whiners" viewpoint. "IDM" has gone so many directions I can't even keep track of it anymore. There's ninja tune style scratchin' & funk, there's tigerbeat-style punkishness, there's force-inc techno disco, mille plateaux style minimalism, there's more traditional yet still creative fare like Merck & N5MD, maybe predictable, maybe just what I like :P ..there's electro, nostalgia, pretty melodies, vanity labels, indyrawkish stuff, pop worshipping... really, the '90s saw computers come into their own as a musical instrument/tool, and now everyone is exploring & using them. There's good and bad in that. Meanwhile, Warp is huge, there's no more B12 and deFocus is defunct. *sigh* -adamp damek.org DavidASim@aol.com wrote:
quoted 30 lines Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in the 90's. In the early>>Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in the 90's. In the early > > days of all three of > >>those labels, they put out some really great stuff for the times. It always > > seems, though, > >>that when a label adds more and more artists to their roster, it's > > inevitable that the > >>signature "sound" of that label loses focus. > > > Certainly Warp have no longer got a zeitgeist-humping signature sound. It's > not quite clear whether this is because they've lost their A&R edge, or whether > they've just decided that putting out a series of diverse records that they > like is more important than being at the cutting edge of what some mailing list > considers to be the core IDM sound. Or indeed, whether in a year or so, the > current series of Warp releases will be genre touchstones like Artificial > Intelligences, and we'll all be kicking ourselves for being so slow. Although this > seems less likely. > > They also seem to suffer rather from the fact that the idm list, for a bunch > of fans of self consciously progressive and eclectic music, gets very annoyed > when people progress in a way they didn't expect.</troll> > > David >
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2004-07-19 15:58Aaron D MeyersThese days, its just fashionable to slam Warp. Who really cares? For my part, however, I d
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These days, its just fashionable to slam Warp. Who really cares? For my part, however, I do blame Warp for the break-up of Anti Pop Consortium. :D
quoted 8 lines They also seem to suffer rather from the fact that the idm list,> They also seem to suffer rather from the fact that the idm list, > for a bunch > of fans of self consciously progressive and eclectic music, gets > very annoyed > when people progress in a way they didn't expect.</troll> > > David >
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2004-07-23 05:06sleepy kitty> > For my part, however, I do blame Warp for the break-up of Anti Pop > Consortium. :D >
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quoted 4 lines For my part, however, I do blame Warp for the break-up of Anti Pop> > For my part, however, I do blame Warp for the break-up of Anti Pop > Consortium. :D >
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2004-07-23 05:11kiya iamacopier babzani>> >> For my part, however, I do blame Warp for the break-up of Anti Pop >> Consortium. :D
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quoted 6 lines For my part, however, I do blame Warp for the break-up of Anti Pop>> >> For my part, however, I do blame Warp for the break-up of Anti Pop >> Consortium. :D >> > Eh, i'm not too broke up about that, beans absolutely rocks it on his > own :)
I actually was.. until I heard beans' solo work.. it rocks hard. and his next album is gonna rock harder... wait till you hear this shit.. m sayyid and high priest have gotten together as Airborne Audio and they've put out a demo track , and that shit is fucking BLINDING. it's short mix of two tracks that are coming out on their full length on Ninjatune later this year. :) don¹t sleep. http://www.airbornaudio.com/ -kiya --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-23 13:22andrew joneshow exactly is Warp responsible for anti-pop's break up? Haven't heard this story. from wh
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how exactly is Warp responsible for anti-pop's break up? Haven't heard this story. from what I know Airborn can kinda be tough customers. - a On Friday, July 23, 2004, at 01:11 AM, kiya iamacopier babzani wrote:
quoted 33 lines For my part, however, I do blame Warp for the break-up of Anti Pop> >>> >>> For my part, however, I do blame Warp for the break-up of Anti Pop >>> Consortium. :D >>> >> Eh, i'm not too broke up about that, beans absolutely rocks it on his >> own :) > > I actually was.. until I heard beans' solo work.. it rocks hard. > and his next album is gonna rock harder... wait till you hear this > shit.. > > m sayyid and high priest have gotten together as Airborne Audio and > they've > put out a demo track , and that shit is fucking BLINDING. it's short > mix of > two tracks that are coming out on their full length on Ninjatune later > this > year. :) > don’t sleep. > > http://www.airbornaudio.com/ > > -kiya > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2004-07-23 06:04Jeff/Ninja Tuneand wait until you hear the Airborn Audio record. Jeff On 23-Jul-04, at 1:06 AM, sleepy ki
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and wait until you hear the Airborn Audio record. Jeff On 23-Jul-04, at 1:06 AM, sleepy kitty wrote:
quoted 12 lines For my part, however, I do blame Warp for the break-up of Anti Pop>> >> For my part, however, I do blame Warp for the break-up of Anti Pop >> Consortium. :D >> > Eh, i'm not too broke up about that, beans absolutely rocks it on his > own :) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2004-07-23 11:14andrew jonesairborn audio isn't on warp last I heard. - a On Friday, July 23, 2004, at 02:04 AM, Jeff/
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airborn audio isn't on warp last I heard. - a On Friday, July 23, 2004, at 02:04 AM, Jeff/Ninja Tune wrote:
quoted 26 lines and wait until you hear the Airborn Audio record.> and wait until you hear the Airborn Audio record. > > Jeff > > > On 23-Jul-04, at 1:06 AM, sleepy kitty wrote: > >>> >>> For my part, however, I do blame Warp for the break-up of Anti Pop >>> Consortium. :D >>> >> Eh, i'm not too broke up about that, beans absolutely rocks it on his >> own :) >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2004-07-24 18:13Tim MooreOn Jul 23, 2004, at 1:06 AM, sleepy kitty wrote: >> >> For my part, however, I do blame Wa
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On Jul 23, 2004, at 1:06 AM, sleepy kitty wrote:
quoted 8 lines For my part, however, I do blame Warp for the break-up of Anti Pop>> >> For my part, however, I do blame Warp for the break-up of Anti Pop >> Consortium. :D >> > Eh, i'm not too broke up about that, beans absolutely rocks it on his > own :) > >
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2004-07-19 16:09underscan> why not check out Underscan Records. > > -> http://www.underscan.de > > (sorry for this
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quoted 25 lines why not check out Underscan Records.> why not check out Underscan Records. > > -> http://www.underscan.de > > (sorry for this shameless self-promo) > > > other interesting labels that we like: > > Ai > CCO > Lux Nigra > Neo Ouija > > and maybe think of the whole IDM/electronica music not as something > that has to be reinvented every day ! no one blames a rock band for > using guitars because they have been used before but in IDM people > tend to do that all the time. (hope i made my point clear somehow). i > think in the end it just comes to the essence of good music and bad > music (music one likes or dislikes) > > cheerz > mark > >
quoted 9 lines So what labels do cane it these days? Planet Mu is pretty hit or miss> >> So what labels do cane it these days? Planet Mu is pretty hit or miss >> to me >> and most of what Merck puts out is too predictable and formulaic for >> my >> tastes... Are there still labels you find dependable? >> >> --Visa >
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2004-07-19 16:11cutups> These days, its just fashionable to slam Warp. Who really cares? > I think its just that
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quoted 2 lines These days, its just fashionable to slam Warp. Who really cares?> These days, its just fashionable to slam Warp. Who really cares? >
I think its just that people hold warp up as a bastion of "IDM", and perhaps an indicator of the viability of the genre (as if it were one) overall. I don't think that way myself, but alot of people seem to. As a music listener, one of the great things is you can listen to whatever you want and pick and choose rather than relying on label loyalty. Different labels all over put out good stuff...theres no need to rely on just one or a few, you know? I think there definitely has been a big movement of "interesting electronic music" artists into blurring genres and broadening the boundaries in the past several years in many areas, in hiphop, indie rock, "electroclash", pop etc... It seems like warp is trying to run with those kind of possibilities (good or bad) rather than rehash what they're known for. - cutups --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-19 16:24seeklektek----- Original Message ----- From: "Albers, Brian" > Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or
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quoted 1 line Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in the 90's. In the early days o> Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in the 90's. In the early days of all three of
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quoted 5 lines --- "Albers, Brian" wrote:> --- "Albers, Brian" wrote: > > Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in > > the 90's. In the early days of all three of those > > labels, they put out some really great stuff for the > > times.
quoted 8 lines Wow, I always thought Cleopatra & Invisible were total> Wow, I always thought Cleopatra & Invisible were total > shit labels. I mean embarassingly bad! The only cool > things that that Cleopatra/Hypnotic ever put out was > Kraftwerk & FSOL. Just because they happen to license > two good releases doesn't make them a good label when > the other 99% of the back catalog is total crap. The > only good thing on Invisible was Not Breathing. I > think Warp's history is FAR FAR better than that.
I completely second this emotion. Except Not Breathing wasn't any good either. And the FSOL and Kraftwerk stuff was licensed anyway: that crap label wasn't responsible for it. seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-19 17:00DavidASim@aol.com> Warp (or anyone!) can do what they want, and more power to them. That's > the whole poin
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quoted 2 lines Warp (or anyone!) can do what they want, and more power to them.  That's> Warp (or anyone!) can do what they want, and more power to them.  That's > the whole point, right?
quoted 3 lines But people can still talk about Warp falling off relative to what they> But people can still talk about Warp falling off relative to what they > like, and maybe turn it into a positivie thread, like visa asked, what > labels do it for you these days then? 
In terms of what does it for me... hmmm... I've been buying comparatively few records recently for reasons of poverty so my finger has left the pulse rather. I keep hearing excellent records that turn out to be on Leaf. Rhythm and Sound probably aren't that current any more, but seem to be consistently excellent. Judging by their respective compilations, there's some really good stuff on both Adaadat and Audiobulb. Oh, and I never said I didn't like the recent stuff on Warp... the Home Video thing sounds pretty cool. ;-)
quoted 2 lines Instead of a negative, bitter,> Instead of a negative, bitter, > cynical, "the IDM list is a lame bunch of whiners" viewpoint
Calm down, calm down. Idml is a great institution, has been responsible for me finding ridiculous amounts of great music reading very interesting commentary on it and so on and so on. But that didn't seem relevant to an 'all Warp's new stuff that doesn't sound like their old stuff suxx0r' conversation, whereas the occasional tendency towards conservatism did. David
2004-07-19 17:10seeklektek----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Clark" > although i'm not the biggest fan, when
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quoted 5 lines although i'm not the biggest fan, when !!! played here in louisville a> although i'm not the biggest fan, when !!! played here in louisville a > couple weeks ago, they packed the house on a weekday night, and the > younger kids were going bonkers for their music. > > kudos to Warp for trying something different.
Kudos to Warp for knowing how to make money. seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-19 17:13seeklektek----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Goodman" > Am I the only one who believes Warp's
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quoted 6 lines Am I the only one who believes Warp's notoriety came from putting out> Am I the only one who believes Warp's notoriety came from putting out > more dance-friendly records than IDM? The Black Dog catalog, the LFO > catalog, Aphex Twin's 'Selected Ambient Works 85-92', Polygon Window's > 'Surfing on Sine Waves', the original 'Artificial Intelligence' > compilation, Speedy J's 'Ginger', etc. These are the releases that > defined Warp.
Not in this house. Definitive Warp = Track With No Name. Dextrous. Testone. Tricky Disco. Clonk. Aftermath. LFO. seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-19 17:24Chispas De MuerteThe thing about Warp is thier eclectic nature, and the fact that they have put out quite a
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The thing about Warp is thier eclectic nature, and the fact that they have put out quite a variety over the years. I think a lot of thier older artists have been putting out shitty albums this past year, like TLS and Squarepusher, but thats not really thier fault. And they have been dipping more into the band puddle than the electronic one, but all of the Arcola stuff I've liked. They are still the label that has by far put out some of the most classic music over the years, and given thier artists the best contracts and hasn't tried to compromise the music to make cash. And some of it's good and some bites but I don't feel they have "fallen off". At least they are'nt trying to recycle a predictable output or appealing to the mainstream cookie cutter sounds. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-19 19:31Albers, Brian> Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in the 90's. In the early days of all th
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quoted 1 line Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in the 90's. In the early days o> Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in the 90's. In the early days of all three of
those labels, they put out some really great stuff for the times. --------------------------- Cleopatra???????????!!!!!!!!!!! Really great stuff????????????!!!! Invisible?????????????!!!!!!!!!! Really great stuff????????????!!!! Like what? It's really easy to dismiss these albums after a decade, but when they came out they were the sound of the times. When I mentioned Cleopatra and Invisible, those were only two labels of that era with which I would also group Reconstriction and Fifth Column. In fact, I get them all confused and I don't remember what came out on what labels, but some good stuff from back then was- Vampire Rodents Mentallo and the Fixer Not Breathing Pigface Dead Voices on Air Front Line Assembly Foetus (didn't Cleo put out a few from Jim?) Leatherstrip Diatribe 16 Volt (the first album at least) Sister Machine Gun (ditto) I'm sure there's many others, like the ones who put out just one album and disappeared who I'll never remember off the top of my head.
2004-07-19 21:44Def Con 1Pigface is one of the suckiest projects I've ever heard. I think Diatribe & 16 Volt only h
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Pigface is one of the suckiest projects I've ever heard. I think Diatribe & 16 Volt only had one decent song each. Not Breathing is the only artist that has done some interesting work. I don't think any of the FLA stuff that I like appeared on those labels --- "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@premiereradio.com> wrote:
quoted 39 lines Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in> > > Warp in the 00's is like Cleopatra or Invisible in > the 90's. In the early days of all three of > those labels, they put out some really great stuff > for the times. --------------------------- > > > Cleopatra???????????!!!!!!!!!!! > Really great stuff????????????!!!! > Invisible?????????????!!!!!!!!!! > Really great stuff????????????!!!! > > Like what? > > > It's really easy to dismiss these albums after a > decade, but when they came out they were the sound > of the times. When I mentioned Cleopatra and > Invisible, those were only two labels of that era > with which I would also group Reconstriction and > Fifth Column. In fact, I get them all confused and I > don't remember what came out on what labels, but > some good stuff from back then was- > > Vampire Rodents > Mentallo and the Fixer > Not Breathing > Pigface > Dead Voices on Air > Front Line Assembly > Foetus (didn't Cleo put out a few from Jim?) > Leatherstrip > Diatribe > 16 Volt (the first album at least) > Sister Machine Gun (ditto) > > I'm sure there's many others, like the ones who put > out just one album and disappeared who I'll never > remember off the top of my head.
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2004-07-19 19:58chthonic>It's really easy to dismiss these albums after a decade, but when they came out they were
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quoted 1 line It's really easy to dismiss these albums after a decade, but when they came out>It's really easy to dismiss these albums after a decade, but when they came out
they were the sound of the times. When I mentioned Cleopatra and Invisible, those were only two labels of that era with which I would also group Reconstriction and Fifth Column. In fact, I get them all confused and I don't remember what came out on what labels, but some good stuff from back then was-
quoted 12 lines Vampire Rodents> >Vampire Rodents >Mentallo and the Fixer >Not Breathing >Pigface >Dead Voices on Air >Front Line Assembly >Foetus (didn't Cleo put out a few from Jim?) >Leatherstrip >Diatribe >16 Volt (the first album at least) >Sister Machine Gun (ditto)
FOETUS was on play it again sam, waxtrax in the US. FLA was also on wax trax and possibly other labels but not cleopatra or invisible. SMG was signed to wax trax after it got bought by TVT. most of the others are licensed from foreign labels (like leaetherstrip) and IMO, music of the times or not, most of that stuff is what i was talking about, 3rd generation EBM. and this is coming from someone who liked/likes FLA, F242, NE, NIN, puppy, and ministry. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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quoted 2 lines Pigface is one of the suckiest projects I've ever>Pigface is one of the suckiest projects I've ever >heard.
i liked 'gub' and 'fook', the first two.
quoted 3 lines Not Breathing is the only artist that has done some>Not Breathing is the only artist that has done some >interesting work. I don't think any of the FLA stuff >that I like appeared on those labels
no breathing is great. he was really super-underground, used to do really cool limited-edition cassettes with custom art, all good stuff. FLA's questionable and varying quality has been discussed here before, but to recap my personal list: ' caustic grip', 'tactical neural implant', 'hard wired', 'implode'. the rest i can do without. although the insane distorted d'n'b secret track at the end of 'flavour of the weak' was pretty good. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-20 05:37:::> no breathing is great. he was really super-underground, used > to do really cool > limit
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quoted 3 lines no breathing is great. he was really super-underground, used> no breathing is great. he was really super-underground, used > to do really cool > limited-edition cassettes with custom art, all good stuff.
I agree here, really liked some of his material. also thought that dvoa had some great stuff, plus liked lab report and fm einheit on invisible, although it was pointed out to me earlier today that the released material was licensed. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-20 15:43circuit benderchthonic <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote: ---------- Original Message ---------------
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quoted 2 lines Pigface is one of the suckiest projects I've ever>Pigface is one of the suckiest projects I've ever >heard.
i liked 'gub' and 'fook', the first two. To me this is one of those either or situations. Either pigface or killing joke. I go for killing joke, don't care if martin atkins was in public image, big paul was the better drummer, no disrespect to atkins skills. Jaz is the better vocalist too. out of all the members of pigface i prefer their respective main projects. ministry, kj etc. and these two acts still have something poignant to say. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign!
2004-07-19 21:57Kurt Bernhard Pruenner"Albers, Brian" wrote: > Case in point- the new Two Lone Swordsmen rock album. I'm not exa
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quoted 3 lines Case in point- the new Two Lone Swordsmen rock album. I'm not exactly> Case in point- the new Two Lone Swordsmen rock album. I'm not exactly > waiting for Warp to release an "electronic tribute to the Buzzcocks" > or anything like that anytime soon, though...
Am I really the only one who likes that album? o_O;; (Yeah, so my last buys were Kings Of Convenience's "Quiet Is The New Loud", Radiohead's "Com Lag", Sixtoo's "Chewing On Glass...", the first Texhnolyze soundtrack, Four Tet's "Rounds", Meat Beat Manifesto's "In Dub" which all are not IDM, but I like them anyway...) -- Kurt Bernhard Pruenner --- Haendelstrasse 17 --- 4020 Linz --- Austria .......It might be written "Mindfuck", but it's spelt "L-A-I-N"....... np: Slicker - Decorate Your Walls (We All Have A Plan) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-20 15:04Albers, Brian>FOETUS was on play it again sam, waxtrax in the US. FLA was also on wax >trax and possibl
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>FOETUS was on play it again sam, waxtrax in the US. FLA was also on wax >trax and possibly other labels but not cleopatra or invisible. SMG was signed to >wax trax after it got bought by TVT. most of the others are licensed from foreign >labels (like leaetherstrip) Whatever. That's not my point. My point is that no matter what the year and no matter what the label (Warp included), 5 or 10 years out we're all gonna look back and say 'O my god, I don't believe I liked some of that stuff.' It is absolutely gauranteed and inevitable. It should be- it's the natural progression of music and musical styles. Sure, some of it will stand the test of time, like the AI comps and Tri Repetae and a bunch of others, but (as has been mentioned already in this thread), when you have a percepted bastion of a certain musical style (as Warp was to idm originally), over the years that label's output as it becomes more varied and diverse, people will see that as them becoming dilluted or not as progreessive as they used to be. It happened to all those labels in the 90s; it's happening to Warp now, and it'll happen to every simgle label in existence. It's unavoidable. And yes, I sincerely hope that in 10 years I can look back at all these tunes that I'm loving today and think 'I can't believe I used to like that stuff.' Sidenote- I can't believe that in my earlier post I forgot to mention the first two Download cds on Cleo and the Phylr albums on Invisible. Very much worth mentioning.
2004-07-26 00:54seeklektekRe: [idm] warp fell off----- Original Message ----- From: Albers, Brian Vampire Rodents =
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Re: [idm] warp fell off----- Original Message ----- From: Albers, Brian Vampire Rodents = Awful Mentallo and the Fixer = Awful Not Breathing = Awful Pigface = Mostly Awful Dead Voices on Air = Terrible Front Line Assembly = Trite Foetus (didn't Cleo put out a few from Jim?) = No: Thirlwell is way too smart to hook up with a lousy label Leatherstrip = Boring Diatribe = name says enough 16 Volt (the first album at least) = awful Sister Machine Gun (ditto) = ditto I'm sure there's many others, like the ones who put out just one album and disappeared who I'll never remember off the top of my head.] --------------------------------- There's not a one worth noting, that's why one won't remember any. seek np: nothing on Cleopatra, **never** *ever* --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-26 02:21Greg ClowAt 08:54 PM 25/07/2004, seeklektek wrote: >Foetus (didn't Cleo put out a few from Jim?) =
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At 08:54 PM 25/07/2004, seeklektek wrote:
quoted 2 lines Foetus (didn't Cleo put out a few from Jim?) = No: Thirlwell is way too>Foetus (didn't Cleo put out a few from Jim?) = No: Thirlwell is way too >smart to hook up with a lousy label
Actually, the live album "Boil" and the "Null"/"Void" dbl-EP came out on Cleopatra in the US. Greg :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Greg Clow ::: greg@stainedproductions.com ::::::::: concert & event promotions ::: http://www.stainedproductions.com :::::: electronic music radio & reviews ::: http://www.feedbackmonitor.com ::: electronic/experimental record label ::: http://www.pieheadrecords.com ::::::::: 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor ::: Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 ::: Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-27 15:10Albers, BrianSeek, you're making my argument for me. As I mentioned in an earlier post, 10 or 15 years
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Seek, you're making my argument for me. As I mentioned in an earlier post, 10 or 15 years removed from these cds, it's really really easy to write them off as "awful" or "trite," but when they came out, that was the sound of the day. The exact same way much of the stuff on Warp and just about every other label is the sound of today and 10 to 15 years from now we'll all look back to the turn of the century and just as easily write off the cds that we love today.
quoted 12 lines Vampire Rodents = Awful>Vampire Rodents = Awful >Mentallo and the Fixer = Awful >Not Breathing = Awful >Pigface = Mostly Awful >Dead Voices on Air = Terrible >Front Line Assembly = Trite >Foetus (didn't Cleo put out a few from Jim?) = No: Thirlwell is way too smart to hook up with a >lousy label >Leatherstrip = Boring >Diatribe = name says enough >16 Volt (the first album at least) = awful >Sister Machine Gun (ditto) = ditto
2004-07-27 15:26seeklektek----- Original Message ----- From: "Albers, Brian" > Seek, you're making my argument for m
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quoted 2 lines Seek, you're making my argument for me.> Seek, you're making my argument for me. > As I mentioned in an earlier post, 10 or 15 years removed from these cds, it's really really easy
to write them off as "awful"
quoted 1 line or "trite," but when they came out, that was the sound of the day.> or "trite," but when they came out, that was the sound of the day.
That stuff all sucked then, at least as much as it sucks now: it was *not* the sound of the day back then: no way in hell and thank god, too! seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-27 15:56cutups> > Seek, you're making my argument for me. > > As I mentioned in an earlier post, 10 or 1
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quoted 2 lines Seek, you're making my argument for me.> > Seek, you're making my argument for me. > > As I mentioned in an earlier post, 10 or 15 years removed from these
cds, it's really really easy
quoted 6 lines to write them off as "awful"> to write them off as "awful" > > or "trite," but when they came out, that was the sound of the day. > > That stuff all sucked then, at least as much as it sucks now: > it was *not* the sound of the day back then: > no way in hell and thank god, too!
I think you guys just have different taste. For some people it was the sound of the day...other people hated it always...others have never heard it. - cutups --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-27 17:51circuit benderand some people listened to kylie. lol cutups <cutup@andythepooh.com> wrote:> > Seek, you'
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and some people listened to kylie. lol cutups <cutup@andythepooh.com> wrote:> > Seek, you're making my argument for me.
quoted 1 line As I mentioned in an earlier post, 10 or 15 years removed from these> > As I mentioned in an earlier post, 10 or 15 years removed from these
cds, it's really really easy
quoted 6 lines to write them off as "awful"> to write them off as "awful" > > or "trite," but when they came out, that was the sound of the day. > > That stuff all sucked then, at least as much as it sucks now: > it was *not* the sound of the day back then: > no way in hell and thank god, too!
I think you guys just have different taste. For some people it was the sound of the day...other people hated it always...others have never heard it. - cutups --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.
2004-07-27 16:28seeklektek----- Original Message ----- From: "cutups" > For some people it was the sound of the day.
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quoted 2 lines For some people it was the sound of the day...other people hated it> For some people it was the sound of the day...other people hated it > always...others have never heard it.
The third group are the most fortunate of all. ;) seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-07-27 16:31chthonic>Seek, you're making my argument for me. > >As I mentioned in an earlier post, 10 or 15 ye
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quoted 8 lines Seek, you're making my argument for me.>Seek, you're making my argument for me. > >As I mentioned in an earlier post, 10 or 15 years removed from these cds, it's >really really easy to write them off as "awful" or "trite," but when they came out, >that was the sound of the day. The exact same way much of the stuff on Warp >and just about every other label is the sound of today and 10 to 15 years from >now we'll all look back to the turn of the century and just as easily write off the >cds that we love today.
perhaps true, but you fail to take into account that some of us knew they were bloody awful back then. personally i generally hate the sound of the day, whether it's in the past or in the present. the sound that goes against the grain often turns out to be the most important and ultimately rewarding ones. cleopatra never did this, they simply licensed and marketed to a demographic with predictable music and style. i'm sure warp is aware of their institutionalization as the home of a certain sound of electronic music, and just as aware of how quickly things can change. rather than adopt a major-label attitude of living off their stable of "stars", they're trying to recapture the excitement of being the ones to go against the grain. only this time, the grain they're going against is their own output, and the expectation that raises. either way they win. the hardcore can hold their breath for the next aphex or autechre releases, which will sell truckloads, and people who've never heard a warp record will pick up !!!, vincent gallo, and broadcast. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org