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isn't that the beauty of IDM though - in my opinion it's the anti-genre; as in it i see elements of techno, ambient, 4/4 [ouch], drum 'n' bass, etc. though the 'IDM' moniker needs to be replaced _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

idm is like kleenex. even though a particular tissue might not be a kleenex brand tissue, people still say, "would you like a kleenex," or "do you have any kleenex," or "i need to go buy some kleenex" because the ubiquitious use of the term "kleenex" has transcended the original meaning of itself. no one ever says, "well, it's not kleenex brand tissue, but here i have some vons brand tissue you can use." kleenex = tissue. tissue = kleenex. the true question is, do you want kleenex with aloe lotion, kleenex ultra soft, or just plain kleenex? yeah. -j nlo gax wrote:

quoted 18 lines isn't that the beauty of IDM though - in my opinion it's the anti-genre;

> isn't that the beauty of IDM though - in my opinion it's the anti-genre; > as in it i see elements of techno, ambient, 4/4 [ouch], drum 'n' bass, etc. > > though the 'IDM' moniker needs to be replaced > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 8 lines Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:01:52 +0100

> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:01:52 +0100 > To: idm@hyperreal.org > From: saltimbocca@gmx.de > Subject: How 'cutting edge'/difficult does IDM have to be? > Message-Id: <627F05DC-68A7-11D8-A0BA-000393C80624@gmx.de> > > How difficult to listen/noise-based/complicated/progressive does IDM > have to be?

Plod spring to mind immediately. Difficulty of listening has nothing to do with how experimental or complex a piece of music is - that's a common mistake which results in so much awful stupid self-regarding harder-than-thou dspwankery.

quoted 2 lines From: Greg Baker <vacationtheory@yahoo.com>

> > From: Greg Baker <vacationtheory@yahoo.com>

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quoted 1 line Yeah, I've heard people categorize RDJ album and Lunatic Harness as drill

> Yeah, I've heard people categorize RDJ album and Lunatic Harness as drill

'n' bass, but i dont get the connection. I thought drill 'n' bass was supposed to be super harsh experimental drum 'n' bass... am i missing the big picture here? I think the word drill'n'bass was journalistic sarcasm (Reynolds?) which got taken literally as some kind of hot new music genre by overseas Wire subscribers. In any case like eggy said it's about dance music not for the dancefloor which could well describe super harsh experimental drum 'n' bass. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line Yeah, I've heard people categorize RDJ album and Lunatic Harness as drill

> Yeah, I've heard people categorize RDJ album and Lunatic Harness as drill

'n' bass, but i dont get the connection. I thought drill 'n' bass was supposed to be super harsh experimental drum 'n' bass... am i missing the big picture here? I think the word drill'n'bass was journalistic sarcasm (Reynolds?) which got taken literally as some kind of hot new music genre by overseas Wire subscribers. In any case like eggy said it's about dance music not for the dancefloor which could well describe super harsh experimental drum 'n' bass. isnt every genre name made up by some journalist? and the question is whether or not RDJ album and Lunatic Harness are considered drill 'n' bass. That's fine if you think experimental drum 'n' bass is IDM, but i'm saying RDJ album and Lunatic harness are IDM first and foremost, not Drill 'n' Bass as was suggested earlier. only reason i was saying that drill is not IDM is because i think people immediately want to just shove drill in as part of IDM because it can be so hard to listen to. i really believe that IDM represents more of a balance or jux with harsh/jagged elements and serene/smooth elements. i care because you do is a perfect example of what i'm talking about. my question is really about whether or not there is a place for nice, friendly sounds in the drill genre. i had said that drill is not IDM, and was corrected because it would mean that RDJ album and Lunatic Harness are not IDM. which i believe they are, so i want to get to the bottom of my confusion. i cant be walkin around sayin classics aint classics. greg

quoted 10 lines Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:00:57 -0800 (PST)

> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:00:57 -0800 (PST) > To: idm@hyperreal.org > From: Greg Baker <vacationtheory@yahoo.com> > Subject: genres > Message-ID: <20040228010057.99353.qmail@web13122.mail.yahoo.com> > > --0-1204584880-1077930057=:98502 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Yeah, I've heard people categorize RDJ album and Lunatic Harness as

drill

quoted 5 lines 'n' bass, but i dont get the connection. I thought drill 'n' bass was

> 'n' bass, but i dont get the connection. I thought drill 'n' bass was > supposed to be super harsh experimental drum 'n' bass... am i missing the > big picture here? > > I think the word drill'n'bass was journalistic sarcasm (Reynolds?) which

got

quoted 3 lines taken literally as some kind of hot new music genre by overseas Wire

> taken literally as some kind of hot new music genre by overseas Wire > subscribers. In any case like eggy said it's about dance music not for the > dancefloor which could well describe super harsh experimental drum 'n'

bass.

quoted 2 lines isnt every genre name made up by some journalist? and the question is

> > isnt every genre name made up by some journalist? and the question is

whether or not RDJ album and Lunatic Harness are considered drill 'n' bass. That's fine if you think experimental drum 'n' bass is IDM, but i'm saying RDJ album and Lunatic harness are IDM first and foremost, not Drill 'n' Bass as was suggested earlier. only reason i was saying that drill is not IDM is because i think people immediately want to just shove drill in as part of IDM because it can be so hard to listen to. i really believe that IDM represents more of a balance or jux with harsh/jagged elements and serene/smooth elements. i care because you do is a perfect example of what i'm talking about. my question is really about whether or not there is a place for nice, friendly sounds in the drill genre. i had said that drill is not IDM, and was corrected because it would mean that RDJ album and Lunatic Harness are not IDM. which i believe they are, so i want to get to the bottom of my confusion. i cant

quoted 3 lines be walkin around sayin classics aint classics.

> be walkin around sayin classics aint classics. > > greg

Well I don't believe there is such a thing as 'IDM' in the first place let alone 'drillnbass'. I think if you ask any of the guys who actually invented the music that these genre names were attached to, they would tell you that they made electronica or experimental electronic music. IDM was a purely American term because for some reason they had already decided to call stadium dance acts like the prodigy electronica. I strongly suspect this was down to some ignorant music journo but shit sticks I guess. My point is that this music originated in the UK and here there was never a drill'n'bass scene for example, this stuff has always been played together and mixed up and this is why we have interesting music. These micro-genre names must describe a perceived common denominator to be in use - but that doesn't say anything about a piece of music or its worth. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

info@noiseloop.com wrote:

quoted 4 lines Well I don't believe there is such a thing as 'IDM' in the first place let

>Well I don't believe there is such a thing as 'IDM' in the first place let >alone 'drillnbass'. I think if you ask any of the guys who actually invented >the music that these genre names were attached to, they would tell you that >they made electronica or experimental electronic music.

i don't know if they'd even say "electronica". that word is even considered silly-sounding to a lot of people, but through repetition and time it's become grudgingly accepted. musicians come up with music, and music journalists and listeners come up with genre titles.

quoted 2 lines I strongly suspect this was

>I strongly suspect this was >down to some ignorant music journo but shit sticks I guess.

it's just a name. people struggle all the time to give a name to the unnameable, sometimes they get it wrong. almost every music genre name is a misnomer. so what. it may be annoying, but it doesn't change what the music is.

quoted 5 lines there was never a drill'n'bass

>there was never a drill'n'bass >scene for example, this stuff has always been played together and mixed up >and this is why we have interesting music. These micro-genre names must >describe a perceived common denominator to be in use - but that doesn't say >anything about a piece of music or its worth.

i don't think it does either. "drill'n'bass" was probably offhandedly tossed out in a review describing some harder aphex tracks, and people picked up on that and started to repeat the term. i could be wrong, but i don't think it's seen as another genre per se, or even much of a subgenre. i think it's just something that some electronic artists do when they start working on fast jungle/d'n'b-style tracks and they push it so far end up achieving that drill-like industrial sound. for it to be a true genre or subgenre, IMO you would have to have many releases entirely devoted to music exactly like that. which, to me at least, would be very tiresome, as i've seen with some of the ant-zen "distorted electro". some of the artists seem almost interchangeable, as well as unable to break free of the "sound" and add more variety to what they're doing, because to vary too much would mean a track that's no longer in this narrowly-defined "micro-genre" (nice term by the way, mr. noiseloop!). and i say this even though i really like some ant-zen artists. so many people are ready to jump on a genre bandwagon as soon as a term gains any notoriety. meanwhile, as pointed out by serveral people here, the artists don't give a toss about this. i think those that do are one-dimensional and will box themselves in creatively pretty quickly. if you're trying to be in an existing genre, you're thinking about music ass-backwards. not to mention the work's already been done for you. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In a message dated 2/28/2004 9:39:51 AM Central Standard Time, chthonic@chthonicstreams.com writes: meanwhile, as pointed out by serveral people here, the artists don't give a toss about this. i think those that do are one-dimensional and will box themselves in creatively pretty quickly. if you're trying to be in an existing genre, you're thinking about music ass-backwards. not to mention the work's already been done for you. whatever happened to the term braindance(combination of every and all styles)? although its a relatively new and ODD term, its written right on the rephlex website, and makes the most sense to me. o yea and about that trying to be in an existing genre thing.... i cant stand when people sit down and try to write a certain type of music. like someone will make a whole "electro" cd or whole "dnb" cd..... total crap. my music just comes out. i usually have to adjust bpm after i write down what i hear. to me... id only be able to describe it as braindance, as its ALL diferent. i suppose a good example of braindance would be Mu-ziq's lunatic harness. theres about 13 diferent styles... as there are 13 tracks. yet id describe it all as braindance...... then again im a huge aphex twin/rephlex fan. but as of right now the only word that means the combination of every and all styles via music is braindance. if theres another... let me know. blah blah blah. :TAKES ANOTHER BONGHIT: dustin aka Distik p.s. ill be posting a few tracks for u guys to listen to shortly off of my upcoming.... In Your Mouth e.p. ......... thats right! some samples of Distik In Your Mouth for everyone! expect them by next week. tasty braindance!

quoted 2 lines there was never a drill'n'bass

> >there was never a drill'n'bass > >scene

quoted 2 lines for it to be a true genre or subgenre, IMO you would have to have

> for it to be a true genre or subgenre, IMO you would have to have > many releases entirely devoted to music exactly like that.

just to satisfy my own curiosity, all music guide has a blurb on drill 'n' bass. they also consider RDJ album to be drill n bass. interestingly enough, they also chose to put feed me weird things in drill and IDM, but they also consider BoC's music has the right as an important IDM album although i would consider it more to be trip hop. i mean, if roni size, ltj bukem, photek, and goldie are drum n bass, then i can see how RDJ album, lunatic harness and feed me weird things are different, but at that point we all consider those to be idm albums so i guess there's no point in having drill n bass. its just idm jungle or something. i've never heard animals on wheelsl, clifford gilberto, plasmalamp or mung, and if anyone on this list has i would really appreciate some feedback on what kind of music this is. in the opinion of all music guide: Soon after album-based British techno producers like Aphex Twin and Squarepusher got their hands on drum'n'bass during the mid-'90s, they naturally twisted it to their own ends. The result was Drill'n'bass, a spastic form of breakbeat jungle that relied on powerful audio software and patient programming to warp old midtempo beats and breaks into a frenzied, experimental potpourri of low-attention-span electronic music. Beginning in mid-1995, three figures led the charge with pioneering EPs: Aphex Twin (Hangable Auto Bulb), Luke Vibert's Plug project (Plug 1), and Squarepusher (Conumber). The following year, drill'n'bass went overground with full-length releases by each of the above, most notably Plug's Drum'n'bass for Papa and Squarepusher's debut album Feed Me Weird Things. Soon the rush was on, and a group of artists emerged with immediately identifiable ties to drill'n'bass, including Animals on Wheels, Amon Tobin, Mung, and Plasmalamp. Drill'n'bass receded into the deep underground by 1998, an unsurprising event given the style's extreme nature. Related Styles: Jungle/Drum 'N Bass Electronica Experimental Jungle Industrial Drum'n'Bass Some Important Albums Designs & Mistakes, Animals on Wheels [1997] I Was Young and I Needed the Money, Clifford Gilberto [1998] Feed Me Weird Things, Squarepusher [1996] Richard D. James Album, Aphex Twin [1996] Hard Normal Daddy, Squarepusher [1997] Drum 'N' Bass for Papa/Plug EP's 1, 2 & 3; Plug [1997] Big Loada [US], Squarepusher [1998] Go Plastic, Squarepusher [2001] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines whatever happened to the term braindance(combination of every and all

> whatever happened to the term braindance(combination of every and all > styles)?

i dont know, i bet journalists would be scared to fuck around and get sued ripping things off of a label's website. i think richard or whoever came up with the name was spot on, but its hard to call it a genre because its just a label's self proclaimed style. for example, would braindance apply to other labels, or other albums/artists? what i mean is, rephlex makes braindance. to expand the braindance "genre," are we talking about calling planet mu, skam, warp, and hymen braindance as well? that gets tricky, because if you wanted to call telefon tel aviv braindance you couldnt go calling hefty or even map of what is effortless braindance. i think it would just be farenheit fair enough and immediate action #8. greg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

IDM is a mailing list and not a style of music. IDM is a mailing list and not a style of music. IDM is a mailing list and not a style of music. IDM is a mailing list and not a style of music. beep. k --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 11 lines IDM is a mailing list and not a style of music.

>IDM is a mailing list and not a style of music. > >IDM is a mailing list and not a style of music. > >IDM is a mailing list and not a style of music. > >IDM is a mailing list and not a style of music. > >beep. > >k

komputer. question: if IDM is only a mailing list, where did the mailing list get its name from? process. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Monday, March 1, 2004, at 12:01 AM, chthonic streams wrote:

quoted 20 lines IDM is a mailing list and not a style of music.

> > >> IDM is a mailing list and not a style of music. >> >> IDM is a mailing list and not a style of music. >> >> IDM is a mailing list and not a style of music. >> >> IDM is a mailing list and not a style of music. >> >> beep. >> >> k > > > > komputer. > > question: if IDM is only a mailing list, where did the mailing list > get its name from?

Some thing are best not answered =) Peace, A

quoted 11 lines process.

> > process. > > > d. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 6 lines komputer.

> komputer. > > question: if IDM is only a mailing list, where did the mailing list > get its name from? > > process.

The person who started the list made it up, as far as I know. Through circumstances that I don't understand, the list's name became more well known than any other name for the music that happens to be discussed on here. That's where the genre name use of "IDM" came from. - cutups PS: i've got a new d&b mix online that might appeal to some idmers http://pbs.chemlab.org/audio/cutup/cutups_fuzemix_feb2004_128.mp3 tracklisting lali puna - together in electric dreams - morr music ltj bukem - music - glr4 the invisible man - the bell tune - good looking records deep blue - helicopter tune - moving shadow tom and jerry - dancer - tom and jerry drum origins - oracle - fokuz peter k - trefusis point remix - breakbeatscience plaid - marry - warp bluemarten - storyteller (blame remix) - deep structure future prophecies - plastic dreams - moving shadow soundmurderer - stylee - rephlex rew ep1 dj rap feat. hooligan - lick shot - proper talent the dream team - stamina - suburban base soundmurderer - stick up (quick mix) - omeko kid606 - who wah kill sound - tigerbeat6/ipecac repeater - collision repair specialist - damage enduser - kelsey the taxidermist (enduser vs atomly remix) - feed the machine --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

"cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> said:

quoted 10 lines The person who started the list made it up, as far as I know.

>The person who started the list made it up, as far as I know. > >Through circumstances that I don't understand, >the list's name became more well known than >any other name for the music that happens to be >discussed on here. > >That's where the genre name use of "IDM" came from. > >- cutups

are you serious? it wasn't originated in reviews or press releases? who started the list? are they still around? d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Hah. This thread is the first time the topic has come up without an old timer chiming it to explain tings. http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/idm The name came from the Warp "Artificial Intelligence" compilation. The incestuous relationship between the music and the mailing list was evident early on -- the second AI compilation's CD booklet was decorated with posts from the IDM list. I've not been on the list since the beginning, but I've been around for 10 years (!) and there are a few other longtimers around still. I don't think anyone is crazy about IDM becoming a term of art. It's kind of embarrassing. IDM really is a mailing list, not a genre. But if you want to know where the mailing list came from, listen to: AFX "Surfing on Sine Waves" Orb "UF Orb" Orbital "Brown Album" Muziq "Bluff Limbo" Black Dog "Bytes" Drexciya EPs 1-4 AI I AI II None of this stuff would really fit with most of what is being discussed now, but that's fine too, because IDM is a mailing list, not a genre ;-) On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, chthonic streams wrote:

quoted 20 lines "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> said:

> "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> said: > > > >The person who started the list made it up, as far as I know. > > > >Through circumstances that I don't understand, > >the list's name became more well known than > >any other name for the music that happens to be > >discussed on here. > > > >That's where the genre name use of "IDM" came from. > > > >- cutups > > > are you serious? it wasn't originated in reviews or press releases? > > who started the list? are they still around? > >

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Kent williams <kent@avalon.net> wrote:

quoted 1 line The name came from the Warp "Artificial Intelligence"

>The name came from the Warp "Artificial Intelligence"

compilation. ah. so in a way it was someone's press release, but the list name popularized it.

quoted 10 lines AFX "Surfing on Sine Waves"

>AFX "Surfing on Sine Waves" >Orb "UF Orb" >Orbital "Brown Album" >Muziq "Bluff Limbo" >Black Dog "Bytes" >Drexciya EPs 1-4 >AI I >AI II > >None of this stuff would really fit with most of what is being

discussed

quoted 1 line now,

>now,

i can see the first one (btw, that's polygon window technically, not AFX), but maybe not the orb, which people were already calling "ambient house". but that's splitting hairs. the early orb were brilliant.

quoted 1 line but that's fine too, because IDM is a mailing list, not a genre ;-)

>but that's fine too, because IDM is a mailing list, not a genre ;-)

well i guess genre would never be a term i would have called it. it seems an awkward catch-all phrase for certain types of electronic music. but as a genre it's even more misnamed and indistinct than most others. it's funny to discover this, thanks! even funnier - i belong to the DIR (digital indie rock) maliling list on yahoo - it'd be funny if that term or its acronym became officially used as well. then again, there aren't many artists working in that field (the notwist and the postal service being obvious standouts, recent additions being dwayne sodahberk and pluramon). d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Still didn't come from a press release, really. Warp never called their stuff Intelligent Dance Music. In fact, I'm pretty sure they still don't. you know, because it's a mailing list, not a genre. ;) And as far as your comments re: The Orb, you have to remember that back then all of this stuff was sort of all in the same arena. It was all "ambient techno" or "ambient house" or "ambient something". U.F.Orb definitely fits into what was being discussed at the time. Back in the day, it used to be okay to say that you actually *liked* the Chemical Brothers on this list. But at that time they were still the Dust Brothers. Back then, Moby remixed Orbital, and in 1996, Orbital's In Sides was the IDM album of year (based on a poll taken on this list). The IDM archives used to be housed at skylab.org, but in the last few weeks they've been down. I'm not sure if that's permanent. I hope not. If/when it comes back, some of the newer people ought to check out the first few months worth of posts to get some perspective on what was happening when this list came into being. It's amusing and enlightening at the same time. Anyone have any info on skylab.org? I've sent email to their webmaster, but haven't heard back... Oh, and I'm pretty sure that the mighty Chaircrusher knows that Surfing is a Polygon Window joint. It's all the same. Later, Alan Quoting chthonic <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>:

quoted 54 lines Kent williams <kent@avalon.net> wrote:

> Kent williams <kent@avalon.net> wrote: > > > > >The name came from the Warp "Artificial Intelligence" > compilation. > > ah. so in a way it was someone's press release, but the list name > popularized it. > > > >AFX "Surfing on Sine Waves" > >Orb "UF Orb" > >Orbital "Brown Album" > >Muziq "Bluff Limbo" > >Black Dog "Bytes" > >Drexciya EPs 1-4 > >AI I > >AI II > > > >None of this stuff would really fit with most of what is being > discussed > >now, > > i can see the first one (btw, that's polygon window technically, not > AFX), but maybe not the orb, which people were already calling > "ambient house". but that's splitting hairs. the early orb were > brilliant. > > > >but that's fine too, because IDM is a mailing list, not a genre ;-) > > well i guess genre would never be a term i would have called it. it > seems an awkward catch-all phrase for certain types of electronic > music. but as a genre it's even more misnamed and indistinct > than most others. > > it's funny to discover this, thanks! even funnier - i belong to the DIR > > (digital indie rock) maliling list on yahoo - it'd be funny if that term > > or its acronym became officially used as well. then again, there > aren't many artists working in that field (the notwist and the postal > service being obvious standouts, recent additions being dwayne > sodahberk and pluramon). > > > d. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 1 line Still didn't come from a press release, really. Warp never called

>Still didn't come from a press release, really. Warp never called

their

quoted 1 line stuff Intelligent Dance Music.

>stuff Intelligent Dance Music.

sorry, i guess i misunderstood when he said the name came from the 'artifical intelligence' comp. i thought it was something warp said on the CD itself or a press release about it.

quoted 1 line In fact, I'm pretty sure they still don't.

>In fact, I'm pretty sure they still don't.

well i figured that.

quoted 1 line And as far as your comments re: The Orb, you have to remember

>And as far as your comments re: The Orb, you have to remember

that back then

quoted 1 line all of this stuff was sort of all in the same arena.

>all of this stuff was sort of all in the same arena.

it still sort of is. i just heard "ambient house" used to describe the orb as a genre placement, so it's still whatever it is, since IDM is just a catch-all phrase for all kids of stuff including that.

quoted 1 line Back in the day, it used to be okay to say that you actually *liked*

>Back in the day, it used to be okay to say that you actually *liked*

the

quoted 1 line Chemical Brothers on this list.

>Chemical Brothers on this list.

it should always be "okay" to say you like anything, anywhere. even the chemical brothers. even moby. of course, i happen not to like either of them.

quoted 1 line Oh, and I'm pretty sure that the mighty Chaircrusher knows that

>Oh, and I'm pretty sure that the mighty Chaircrusher knows that

Surfing is a

quoted 1 line Polygon Window joint. It's all the same.

>Polygon Window joint. It's all the same.

same guy yes, but...kind of confusing actually since AFX did some analogue stuff like polygon (not much though). but the most AFX output sounds much harder than PW. anyway, whatever. it's good stuff. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

chthonic streams wrote:

quoted 1 line who started the list? are they still around?

> who started the list? are they still around?

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On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Kurt Bernhard Pruenner wrote:

quoted 1 line Brian Behlendorf, of Apache HTTP server and hyperreal.org fame...

> Brian Behlendorf, of Apache HTTP server and hyperreal.org fame...

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On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, wallace winfrey wrote:

quoted 7 lines On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Kurt Bernhard Pruenner wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Kurt Bernhard Pruenner wrote: > > > Brian Behlendorf, of Apache HTTP server and hyperreal.org fame... > > brian agreed to host it, but i don't think he was the one that initiated > it -- i think that was aran parillo, wasn't it? >

no, it was the other AMP, Alan M Parry, from the B'More area. He organized the IDM Mailing list compilation, which was financed by people on the comp each kicking in money. He apparently sold a bunch of copies and then stopped answering everyone's E-mail. Aran Parillo was list admin for a while. Not sure who is admin now. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Kent williams wrote:

quoted 4 lines no, it was the other AMP, Alan M Parry, from the B'More area.

> no, it was the other AMP, Alan M Parry, from the B'More area. > He organized the IDM Mailing list compilation, which was financed by > people on the comp each kicking in money. He apparently sold a bunch > of copies and then stopped answering everyone's E-mail.

that's right. he also apparently stopped maintaining the list, back when it was on majordomo and actually required a human hand once a day for maintenace, and people who had problems subscribing or unsubscribing were SOL, leading to a hotel california-esque existence. ahh, those were the days. w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I vote for this: Since the Forces of Good have not been able to prevent IDM from becoming a genre label, lets stop seeing it as an acronym for anything. When the IDM Mailing list started, there was still a strong connection to the dance floor. What has been called in latter years 'IDM' drifts further and further away from that original intent. And a personal aside: I got into the Genre Referred to as IDM by way of Seefeel. Seefeel is the thread connecting all the indie rock I was listening to in the late 80s to electronic music in general. I'd always been into Kraftwerk and German Synth music from the 70s, but by 1990 I was more interested in Sonic Youth, Swervedriver, etc. So when I started buying Aphex Twin and Orb stuff, I found the IDM list. The whole idea of 'Intelligent' dance music in opposition to 'Dumb' dance music made sense, when all one was exposed to was crappy commercial dance music. But when I started discovering Underground Resistance, Lil Louis, Juan Atkins, Chez Damier, Gene Farris, Boo Williams -- the distinction seemed like a real insult to absolutely fantastic musicians. That started the journey to this day, when I'm obsessed with tracking down obscure underground disco records from 1975. That disco music that I reviled back in the day -- while I rocked out to the Stones and (urk) Fleetwood Mac and (double urk) Yes. Which is a long way round to saying what I said up top -- let's stop pretending IDM has anything to do with dance music any more. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

would you please recomend some 1975 not much known disco you mentioned. sometimes donna summer's track love too love baby goes smoothly in a mix, so disco of the 70s is great! as far as genres, i like idm name. I still dance to good part of it. detroit minimal techno has even better reputation on my own music map, without word inteligent on the title. i see "minimal" as more metafisical, intuitive and sublime when "inteligent" in idm means more complex and cerebral, brainy sort of for me there is a very specific destinction and i like it this way but it is a good point breakcore kind of music that guys like kid606 are producing does beyond dancind for sure i came to listen to AFX kind of music from synthy pop also with a little turn into folk punk, ska and reggae and fusion jazz, but that was long time ago __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, svin wrote:

quoted 3 lines would you please recomend some 1975 not much

> would you please recomend some 1975 not much > known disco you mentioned. >

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That disco music that I reviled

quoted 2 lines back in the day -- while I rocked out to the Stones and (urk) Fleetwood Mac

>back in the day -- while I rocked out to the Stones and (urk) Fleetwood Mac >and (double urk) Yes.

Oh man Kent! You shoudl TRESURE your YES days man! Don't hide?! EMBRACE it! They RULE and STILL DO!!!!!! as for fleetwood mac.. they do have some merit... HA! JF/DS _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

yeah, i know that you opportunistically trying to revive some rotten rockenrolen sound from those days of hard metal cracking music and cheese melodic bulshit performed by longhaired dudes with multiple veneric desease, yuck!!!! seems like electro revival did it to synthypop and breakcorists including you Jason are doing this dirty job to our sophisticated tastes once again with punk and the worst of the worst The rokinrolen!!!! thats why i in all honesty and sympathy to The New, could not ever finished listening any of the tracks of these chaotic grooveless cheap products of yours except mayby for one track by hrvatsky You people should stop this erroisive to OUR scene activities that your are getting paid for thousands of dollars from Big Labels on RIAA that want to make us all again buying mainstream rockinrolen and going to stadium concerts so you cheese guitar players can bath yourselfs in tonns and i mean it of toxic cocain powder!!!! rockinrolen must die __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

-----Original Message----- From: svin [mailto:svinrave@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:11 PM To: donna summer; kent@avalon.net; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] genres <snip> rockinrolen must die

quoted 1 line

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Nah, but I'm sorry But look I'm sorry But, Rock n Roll? Rock n' Roll will never die It's going nowhere It's here to stay What are you, fucking stupid? I'm sorry but nah but you're fucking high If you think rock n' roll will ever die You're cracked up out of your fucking mind Nah 'cause Rock n' Roll is here to stay It will never go away Look at Def Leopard Drummer's got one fucking arm Look at the Rolling Stones They've been around for forty five fucking years Look at Guns and Roses Need I say more Nah 'cause I'm sorry But look I'm sorry but But Rock n' Roll is not moving It's going nowhere It's here to stay -King Missile Regards, Brent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 14 lines That disco music that I reviled

> > That disco music that I reviled > >back in the day -- while I rocked out to the Stones and (urk) > Fleetwood Mac > >and (double urk) Yes. > > Oh man Kent! > You shoudl TRESURE your YES days man! Don't hide?! EMBRACE it! > They RULE and > STILL DO!!!!!! > > as for fleetwood mac.. they do have some merit... HA! > > JF/DS

They were great as Peter Green's Fleetwood Mack, but they sucked after he left. He's still got it too... if you like blues. The Stones also rock, but Yes?... eeewwwww. ...skism --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

The only Yes album I can still stand is "Close To the Edge" which is pretty brilliant. Fleetwood Mac were a really good little band before they blew up and got all coked up. I saw them at a roller rink in Salt Lake City right after Rumours came out and they were an absolutely brilliant live show. On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, donna summer wrote:

quoted 10 lines That disco music that I reviled

> That disco music that I reviled > >back in the day -- while I rocked out to the Stones and (urk) Fleetwood Mac > >and (double urk) Yes. > > Oh man Kent! > You shoudl TRESURE your YES days man! Don't hide?! EMBRACE it! They RULE and > STILL DO!!!!!! > > as for fleetwood mac.. they do have some merit... HA! >

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On 25 Mar 2004 at 13:35, donna summer wrote:

quoted 2 lines You shoudl TRESURE your YES days man! Don't hide?! EMBRACE it! They RULE

> You shoudl TRESURE your YES days man! Don't hide?! EMBRACE it! They RULE > and STILL DO!!!!!!

I've said it before and I'll say it again - Roundabout is up there with my all-time desert island favourites :-)) "I will remember you your silhouette will charge the view of distant atmosphere..." Aaaaaaah! I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

From: "skism"

quoted 4 lines That disco music that I reviled

> > That disco music that I reviled > > >back in the day -- while I rocked out to the Stones and (urk) > > Fleetwood Mac > > >and (double urk) Yes.

quoted 6 lines Oh man Kent!

> > Oh man Kent! > > You shoudl TRESURE your YES days man! Don't hide?! EMBRACE it! > > They RULE and > > STILL DO!!!!!! > > > > as for fleetwood mac.. they do have some merit... HA!

> They were great as Peter Green's Fleetwood Mack, but they sucked

quoted 3 lines after he left. He's still got it too... if you like blues.

> after he left. He's still got it too... if you like blues. > The Stones also rock, but Yes?... eeewwwww. > ...skism

Seriously. Yes suck. Fleetwood Mac suck. The Rolling Stones suck. And they all always sucked. Coke music for pepsis people. seek np: nothing that sucks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i had my own personal rollingstones comeback in late 80s early 90s so i bought around 30 vynil albums by them on garage sales in jersey, mostly from 60s and 70s. no later then "Tatoo You", 1980. And just made myself 4 or 5 tapes out of all their creative body of work)) they were considering themselfs a blues band in 1965 so they had around 100 hit songs through out their carrier with some of them being written by someoneelse i still have those tapes and i give them a try once in a while. they are good but i overlistened to that stuff and it doesnt surprise or entertain me anymore. What i like about them is their protopunk attitude sound that was detectibly different from regular blues white or black lyrics but not anymore you cant listen to anything for long time because sooner or later it will borow you to death __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

on 3/25/04 1:43 PM, seeklektek at eclectics@comcast.net wrote:

quoted 5 lines They were great as Peter Green's Fleetwood Mack, but they sucked

>> They were great as Peter Green's Fleetwood Mack, but they sucked >> after he left. He's still got it too... if you like blues. >> The Stones also rock, but Yes?... eeewwwww. >> ...skism >

ok folks......this stuff is spam.

quoted 13 lines Seriously.

> Seriously. > > Yes suck. > Fleetwood Mac suck. > The Rolling Stones suck. > > And they all always sucked. > > Coke music for pepsis people. > > seek > > np: nothing that sucks

Yessir.....this should be the last word on any and all of this. Lurky lurk lurk. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

From: "Kent williams"

quoted 2 lines The only Yes album I can still stand is "Close To the Edge" which is pretty

> The only Yes album I can still stand is "Close To the Edge" which is pretty > brilliant.

Not even Trevor Horn could save that crap. seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Um, Trevor Horn came way after "Close To The Edge". The side-long "Close To The Edge" is great. "Heart of the Sunrise" is great. Your mileage may vary of course. On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, seeklektek wrote:

quoted 8 lines From: "Kent williams"

> From: "Kent williams" > > > The only Yes album I can still stand is "Close To the Edge" which is pretty > > brilliant. > > > Not even Trevor Horn could save that crap. >

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quoted 6 lines Seriously.

>Seriously. > >Yes suck. >Fleetwood Mac suck. >The Rolling Stones suck. >And they all always sucked.

how ironic. you can't get much closer to a "rock 'n' roll" fan in the dualism of "that sucks, this rules". d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 3 lines But Rock n' Roll is not moving

> But Rock n' Roll is not moving > It's going nowhere > It's here to stay

Not 'here', it isn't. Everything's gone green. ;) seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

when you try to trace the roots of all of it it all goes as far as first blues singers of the 1920s, they were the founders of all of it but later in the 50s music splits into 1.james brown, father of funk and grand father of all of techno and dubbed including electronica and hiphop, all of EBM 2.rockenrolen with less groove, elvis kind interesting thing is that elvis is dead as the trend he generated exhausted itself fully but James Brown still alive, kicking and screaming, getting in and out of jail all the time, big old motherfucker and HIS trend is as young as never, producing music to dance to, from funk, hiphop to cuting edge electronica and i forsee it to grow even further on the other hand rock seems to be dead forever in terms of music innovation and fresh sound, with all latest achievements paying tribute and using dubbing, 4by4 rythmic structures and othe techno methods The reasons people started to hate rockenroll are obviouis. It became more commersionalised then any other genre, repeating itself in 10 year cycles from rocknroll to hard rock to punk to anything metal again and again __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

From: "chthonic"

quoted 5 lines Seriously.

> >Seriously. > >Yes suck. > >Fleetwood Mac suck. > >The Rolling Stones suck. > >And they all always sucked.

quoted 3 lines how ironic. you can't get much closer to a "rock 'n' roll" fan in

> how ironic. you can't get much closer to a "rock 'n' roll" fan in the > dualism of "that sucks, this rules". > d.

That's very perceptive of you. ;) seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 16 lines Seriously.

> >>> Seriously. >>> Yes suck. >>> Fleetwood Mac suck. >>> The Rolling Stones suck. >>> And they all always sucked. > >> how ironic. you can't get much closer to a "rock 'n' roll" fan in the >> dualism of "that sucks, this rules". >> d. > > > That's very perceptive of you. ;) > > seek >

Ugh. Noise. more noise. destroy/create. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

From: "Kent williams"

quoted 1 line Um, Trevor Horn came way after "Close To The Edge".

> Um, Trevor Horn came way after "Close To The Edge".

Trevor didn't come for Yes. He got paid. And by crap, I meant Yes in general, not Close to the Drudge.

quoted 2 lines The side-long "Close To The Edge" is great. "Heart of the Sunrise" is

> The side-long "Close To The Edge" is great. "Heart of the Sunrise" is great. > Your mileage may vary of course.

I've a tiger in my tank and I invariably get great, consistent mileage. seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Whatever dude... Go back and listen to your your mindless and non-progressive IDM ways... Why is it that there's all these dogmatic types listening to, making IDM music? Seems surprsingly conservative for a musicthat was supposed to be about being open minded and expansive... JF/DS

quoted 40 lines From: svin <svinrave@yahoo.com>

>From: svin <svinrave@yahoo.com> >To: donna summer <donnasummerwfmu@hotmail.com>, kent@avalon.net, >idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [idm] genres >Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:10:48 -0800 (PST) > >yeah, i know that you opportunistically trying to >revive some rotten rockenrolen sound from those >days of hard metal cracking music and cheese >melodic bulshit performed by longhaired dudes >with multiple veneric desease, yuck!!!! > >seems like electro revival did it to synthypop >and breakcorists including you Jason are doing >this dirty job to our sophisticated tastes once >again with punk and the worst of the worst >The rokinrolen!!!! > >thats why i in all honesty and sympathy to >The New, >could not ever finished listening any of the >tracks of these chaotic grooveless cheap products >of yours >except mayby for one track by hrvatsky > >You people should stop this erroisive to OUR >scene activities that your are getting paid for >thousands of dollars from Big Labels on RIAA that >want to make us all again buying mainstream >rockinrolen and going to stadium concerts >so you cheese guitar players can bath yourselfs >in tonns and i mean it of toxic cocain powder!!!! > >rockinrolen must die > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. >http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

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idm? no not really i like groovy music with a dubby touch less sound the better and no guitars and deep bass but no guitars is a must))) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 5 lines You shoudl TRESURE your YES days man! Don't hide?! EMBRACE it! They RULE

> > You shoudl TRESURE your YES days man! Don't hide?! EMBRACE it! They RULE > > and STILL DO!!!!!! > >I've said it before and I'll say it again - Roundabout is up there >with my all-time desert island favourites :-))

as aided by the heat & starvation induced delerium effects ;) kidding, Nth _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time offer) http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&pgmarket=en-us&ST=1/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

----- Original Message ----- From: "Nth 808"

quoted 2 lines You shoudl TRESURE your YES days man! Don't hide?! EMBRACE it! They RULE

> > > You shoudl TRESURE your YES days man! Don't hide?! EMBRACE it! They RULE > > > and STILL DO!!!!!!

quoted 2 lines I've said it before and I'll say it again - Roundabout is up there

> >I've said it before and I'll say it again - Roundabout is up there > >with my all-time desert island favourites :-))

quoted 3 lines as aided by the heat & starvation induced delerium effects ;)

> as aided by the heat & starvation induced delerium effects ;) > kidding, > Nth

There must be a reality show wherein the contestants, on a ~deserted~ island (what's a desert island???!), are forced to listen to cockrock, buttrock, hessian, mullet-wearing bullshit. And if there isn't such a show, there should be one. sssssssssssseek np: Telefon Tel Aviv - Map of What is Effortless --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Yeah, I don't normally have a lot to say on here but I'm with Jason/ Donna there. I think it's both hilarious and sad that a genre as young as IDM already has as many cliches as good old "rockinrolen" as Svin calls it ever did. The Amen break's now the Bo Diddley riff of electronic music, if y'all know what I mean. There's too many people out there making the electronic equivalent of the Steve Miller Band (read: coservative, middle-of-the-road...) and/ or the soundtrack to the imaginary movie up their arses. "Sophisticated" to him maybe; so often bores me to tears. I respect Boards Of Canada and that kind of thing even if I don't particularly like it, but not all those BOC imitators. And the only truly exciting/ interesting music comes from people like Donna Summer and others like him who have a broad appreciation of all kinds of music (including "rockinrolen") and record collections that stretch back further than the last twelve or so years. I think it's particularly funny/ ironic that I'm reading this post now, considering my copy of the new Donna Summer 7" (with its David Bowie/ Iggy Pop track; two legends of "rockinrolen") just arrived in the mail today and not surprisingly it's brilliant. Bob Meeghan of the Wah Wah Rabbits now on my selecta: Mr. 76ix- Hits of 76ix

quoted 67 lines From: "donna summer" <donnasummerwfmu@hotmail.com>

>From: "donna summer" <donnasummerwfmu@hotmail.com> >To: svinrave@yahoo.com, kent@avalon.net, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [idm] genres >Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:01:38 -0500 > >Whatever dude... >Go back and listen to your your mindless and non-progressive IDM ways... > >Why is it that there's all these dogmatic types listening to, making IDM >music? Seems surprsingly conservative for a musicthat was supposed to be >about being open minded and expansive... > > >JF/DS > > >>From: svin <svinrave@yahoo.com> >>To: donna summer <donnasummerwfmu@hotmail.com>, kent@avalon.net, >>idm@hyperreal.org >>Subject: RE: [idm] genres >>Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:10:48 -0800 (PST) >> >>yeah, i know that you opportunistically trying to >>revive some rotten rockenrolen sound from those >>days of hard metal cracking music and cheese >>melodic bulshit performed by longhaired dudes >>with multiple veneric desease, yuck!!!! >> >>seems like electro revival did it to synthypop >>and breakcorists including you Jason are doing >>this dirty job to our sophisticated tastes once >>again with punk and the worst of the worst >>The rokinrolen!!!! >> >>thats why i in all honesty and sympathy to >>The New, >>could not ever finished listening any of the >>tracks of these chaotic grooveless cheap products >>of yours >>except mayby for one track by hrvatsky >> >>You people should stop this erroisive to OUR >>scene activities that your are getting paid for >>thousands of dollars from Big Labels on RIAA that >>want to make us all again buying mainstream >>rockinrolen and going to stadium concerts >>so you cheese guitar players can bath yourselfs >>in tonns and i mean it of toxic cocain powder!!!! >> >>rockinrolen must die >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. >>http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > >_________________________________________________________________ >Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet >access. >https://broadband.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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