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2003-02-10 19:37MaRc [idm] the only ones that win r...
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2003-02-10 19:37MaRcon the subject of life after soulseek, mp3 downloading and respect for artists etc, has an
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on the subject of life after soulseek, mp3 downloading and respect for artists etc, has anyone else realised that the only ones that win are the corperates anyway - explanation.... you download using what? a communications line/phone/broadband/cable etc and you pay a corperate company, you download onto your hard drive, which you bought of a corperation, when its full you either buy another one or burn cd's, which you bought of another corperation etc etc so at the end of the day the corperations are laughing because they are getting paid, so whats the state of play? pay only for what you are forced to pay for and take/steal everything which you can get away with? what if soulseek was a subscriptions based service for idm labels - pay a monthly fee - download what you like - then through electronic monitoring those labels who contribute content can claim a share - im sure an economist could make it workable - any comments - im sure this is already the case with some webclubs, but its yet to be implemented in some open forum capacity - food for thought - any response from Soulseek themsleves?
2003-02-10 19:44John ReadingI'm terribly annoyed with all the people that feel entitled to use souseek as their only s
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I'm terribly annoyed with all the people that feel entitled to use souseek as their only source... People really need to get over their entitlement issues and support their artists....
quoted 28 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: MaRc [mailto:highrophant@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:38 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] the only ones that win r... > > > on the subject of life after soulseek, mp3 downloading and > respect for artists etc, has anyone else realised that the > only ones that win are the corperates anyway - explanation.... > you download using what? a communications > line/phone/broadband/cable etc and you pay a corperate company, > you download onto your hard drive, which you bought of a > corperation, when its full you either buy another one or burn > cd's, which you bought of another corperation etc etc so at > the end of the day the corperations are laughing because they > are getting paid, so whats the state of play? pay only for > what you are forced to pay for and take/steal everything > which you can get away with? > what if soulseek was a subscriptions based service for idm > labels - pay a monthly fee - download what you like - then > through electronic monitoring those labels who contribute > content can claim a share - im sure an economist could make > it workable - any comments - im sure this is already the case > with some webclubs, but its yet to be implemented in some > open forum capacity - food for thought - any response from > Soulseek themsleves? >
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2003-02-10 21:05ben gill--- John Reading <john.reading@us.didata.com> wrote: > I'm terribly annoyed with all the p
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quoted 3 lines I'm terribly annoyed with all the people that feel> I'm terribly annoyed with all the people that feel > entitled to use > souseek as their only source...
I would be terribly annoyed too, but no one has said what you claim they have. Ben __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-02-10 19:58Rusty H. Hodge> I'm terribly annoyed with all the people that feel entitled to use > souseek as their on
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quoted 3 lines I'm terribly annoyed with all the people that feel entitled to use> I'm terribly annoyed with all the people that feel entitled to use > souseek as their only source... People really need to get over their > entitlement issues and support their artists....
Yes, although when you have to go to great lenghts to track down a CD that ends up being really expensive, and if it is something that's limited edition and hard to get, and you end up getting it used for $40 just because it's so rare, then the artist doesn't benefit anyway. Out of curiosity, how do you feel about used CDs? SomaFM is looking to start licensing content for a pay per download service. I think that people would be willing to pay $2 to download a high quality version of a track they're looking for. Initially we'd target stuff thats' only released on vinyl or out of print. Labels still seem scared to do license the content though. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-02-10 20:18Brandon Tallent> SomaFM is looking to start licensing content for a > pay per download service. > I think
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quoted 9 lines SomaFM is looking to start licensing content for a> SomaFM is looking to start licensing content for a > pay per download service. > I think that people would be willing to pay $2 to > download a high quality > version of a track they're looking for. Initially > we'd target stuff thats' > only released on vinyl or out of print. Labels still > seem scared to do > license the content though.
This is a good idea, but I think that 2$ per track download is a little bit pricey. If you figure that the average cd has 10 tracks on it, you end up paying more for each song by downloading then by purchasing the cd. I realize that you might be offering hard to find tracksor singles, but you get the point. Since the purchaser isn't getting any packaging or tangible material, I think that the price needs to be low enough so that people will not think twice about paying for the track when they could alternatively download it for free off of a p2p service. I think something in the range of 50 cents to 1$ would generate more downloads then 2$ per track. Food for thought. Brandon
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2003-02-10 20:30Brett DietschOn Monday, February 10, 2003, at 03:18 PM, Brandon Tallent wrote: > > This is a good idea,
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quoted 14 lines This is a good idea, but I think that 2$ per track> > This is a good idea, but I think that 2$ per track > download is a little bit pricey. If you figure that > the average cd has 10 tracks on it, you end up paying > more for each song by downloading then by purchasing > the cd. I realize that you might be offering hard to > find tracksor singles, but you get the point. Since > the purchaser isn't getting any packaging or tangible > material, I think that the price needs to be low > enough so that people will not think twice about > paying for the track when they could alternatively > download it for free off of a p2p service. I think > something in the range of 50 cents to 1$ would > generate more downloads then 2$ per track.
how much do people pay for a record with 1-2 songs on it? 10 bucks? lets say 60% of that cost is distribution and material costs. *gasp* thats two dollars a song! i paid 8 or 9 dollars for squarepushers "do you know squarepusher" a year or so ago. one sided vinyl. one track. i paid around 15 for afx - two remixes. 2 dollars a tune isnt really that much, all things considering. i assume that a lot of the tracks soma would be selling arent from full-lenght albums, so you'd be paying more than that to get them anyway. the option to download something from a p2p service should not have any impact on the decision to buy a track or not. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-02-10 20:35Brandon Tallent> how much do people pay for a record with 1-2 songs > on it? 10 bucks? > lets say 60% of
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quoted 20 lines how much do people pay for a record with 1-2 songs> how much do people pay for a record with 1-2 songs > on it? 10 bucks? > lets say 60% of that cost is distribution and > material costs. > *gasp* thats two dollars a song! > > i paid 8 or 9 dollars for squarepushers "do you know > squarepusher" a > year or so ago. one sided vinyl. one track. > i paid around 15 for afx - two remixes. 2 dollars a > tune isnt really > that much, all things considering. i assume that a > lot of the tracks > soma would be selling arent from full-lenght albums, > so you'd be paying > more than that to get them anyway. > > the option to download something from a p2p service > should not have any > impact on the decision to buy a track or not.
Yes, in an idealistic world of course having a p2p service would not have any effect at all on the decision to purchase a track. But I think that in reality it does, so you need to offer some incentive to people to 'do the right thing'. I'm not arguing that that is the way it should be, but mearly that that is the reality of the matter. brandon http://www.resynthesize.com/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-02-10 20:44EggyToast>This is a good idea, but I think that 2$ per track >download is a little bit pricey. If y
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quoted 15 lines This is a good idea, but I think that 2$ per track>This is a good idea, but I think that 2$ per track >download is a little bit pricey. If you figure that >the average cd has 10 tracks on it, you end up paying >more for each song by downloading then by purchasing >the cd. I realize that you might be offering hard to >find tracksor singles, but you get the point. Since >the purchaser isn't getting any packaging or tangible >material, I think that the price needs to be low >enough so that people will not think twice about >paying for the track when they could alternatively >download it for free off of a p2p service. I think >something in the range of 50 cents to 1$ would >generate more downloads then 2$ per track. > >Food for thought.
Plus, mp3 is, inevitably, seen as a volatile, temporary medium to many people. My girlfriend has a few gigs of mp3s that she's downloaded, but none of it's entire albums -- it's all single tracks that she likes. And they all were, at one point, popular enough to be easily available on p2p networks (ranging from arlo guthrie to beck to u2). To her, it's like radio -- something she puts on when she's bored and wants something to listen to. Albums of hard-to-find material she usually buys (or copies from her parents/friends). To her, though, music isn't a big deal. If she lost all of her mp3's, she'd probably be pissed and then either try downloading them again or not worry about it. Despite their frailties, CDs and vinyl are generally a rather "permanent" media, at least to the general public. Purchasing an album gives someone the idea that it's "theirs" and that they're stuck with it and it represents their tastes in music as a whole. For that to be represented in mp3's, there needs to be some level of permanence to the download. You can't charge $1 per mp3, because what if the transfer craps out halfway through? Or if my harddrive freaks out and I need to reformat before I have that mp3 backed up? I'm gonna have a fit and complain! For it to work, there'd need to be some sort of database that logged what someone downloaded and set a marker saying that "OK, this person bought this track, they are OK to download it from now on." Similar to an order history. If the company/label expects people to burn it onto a CD of their own, then they should also provide downloadable cover art and reduce the price of the mp3 accordingly (as they are releasing an album as a complete album without the costs of distribution/pressing). The only other embraceable option is a subscription service, but most people would say that they don't download enough music in order to make it worthwhile. Broadband connections still only represent about 15-20% of the internet population in the US. And it's not really cheap for labels to do, either -- a large label with a few moderately popular groups/artists would likely need to spend a hundred dollars or more a month in order to maintain such a site. That's a LOT of $.50 downloads. People already pay for p2p networks -- the donation system that Nir set up for soulseek works moderately well, and provides some income. It needs it, though -- there's a lot of bandwidth used for such a network. The problem is that there's not enough incentive to offer mp3's for download from a label, even for free. The costs usually outweigh the benefit. And there's still no proof that mp3s are truly damaging sales. Most of the people I've met who hoard mp3's and collect every new release are poor bums with no lives anyway :) derek -- eggytoast.com -------------- commerce soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-02-10 21:20Mike BrownEggyToast wrote: > ...there needs to be some level of permanence to the download. I strong
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quoted 1 line ...there needs to be some level of permanence to the download.> ...there needs to be some level of permanence to the download.
I strongly agree. I'm not so sure that you should get a lifetime of free downloads of a track, just because you paid for it once, but certainly there should be a reasonable amount of repeat-download time to make up for the risk you take on when you attempt to retrieve and make permanent the material on your own, rather than just going to a store and picking up an object that is guaranteed to contain glitch-free (well, to the extent that IDM these days isn't glitchy ;) uncompromised audio on a relatively permanent storage medium. You should get a few months of support, at least. This raises the issue of security, though.. how do you prevent people from giving out their access codes? I also feel that if I am paying a couple bucks for a track, I should be able to get it in any quality, including entirely uncompressed or at least distributed using a lossless compression scheme. MP3 is fine for casual listening but if I'm buying something to keep and use permanently, I want my money's worth. However I have a feeling I am in the minority; most people are happy enough with inferior quality and don't really care too much if they have a "real" CD or not. I think this is in part because of the psychology of acoustics, which MP3 exploits: your brain tries to make sense of what it's hearing, so it sifts out the extraneous noise and focuses on hearing the musical information. An MP3 with artifacts and no frequencies over 16 kHz can sound just fine to someone until they hear it side-by-side with the original CD. So most people are probably willing to pay for it even if it isn't "perfect sound forever".
quoted 1 line And there's still no proof that mp3s are truly damaging sales.> And there's still no proof that mp3s are truly damaging sales.
The RIAA's figures are dubious, but there is strong anecdotal evidence from record shops, especially those that are near college campuses. 10 years ago, along the High St. strip next to Ohio State University, there were 9 record stores, all doing great business. Now there are about 3, and they all are struggling. Granted, the whole area is in decline, but I've talked with the owners of the store I used to work at, which sold both new and used/rare product, and they say they are making most of their money on eBay now -- not because they want to, but because every day there are kids coming in browsing but not buying anything. Sales are way down. The kids find things they want, then have their friends download and burn it for them (at least, this is what they say in overheard conversations and in the occasional interview in the local paper). People are only buying what they can't conveniently download. Mike -- Denver, Colorado, USA http://hyperreal.org/~mike/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-02-10 20:01John Reading> -----Original Message----- > From: Rusty H. Hodge [mailto:rusty@hodge.com] > > Yes, alth
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quoted 2 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Rusty H. Hodge [mailto:rusty@hodge.com]
quoted 8 lines Yes, although when you have to go to great lenghts to track> > Yes, although when you have to go to great lenghts to track > down a CD that > ends up being really expensive, and if it is something that's limited > edition and hard to get, and you end up getting it used for > $40 just because > it's so rare, then the artist doesn't benefit anyway. >
Like Drukqs? How about Geogaddi? Prefuse? Stuff on Skam? How about anything you can get on Boomkat? Please dude, I have a ton of rareties that I got from Napster back in the day... But are you going to tell me that people only use it from out of print/rare items? I have no problem with used CDs, rareties, exotics, but it's the people that feel that they should NEVER buy a cd again... There are many.. Also, is it so bad to pay for that used CD? Sure the artists get no money, but the shop does. Don't they provide a good service, by getting the rareties for you? Prob not if you use slsk... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-02-10 21:33Muffin> I have no problem with used CDs, rareties, exotics, but it's the people > that feel that
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quoted 5 lines I have no problem with used CDs, rareties, exotics, but it's the people> I have no problem with used CDs, rareties, exotics, but it's the people > that feel that they should NEVER buy a cd again... There are many.. > Also, is it so bad to pay for that used CD? Sure the artists get no > money, but the shop does. Don't they provide a good service, by getting > the rareties for you? Prob not if you use slsk...
Brings to mind something that Cut Chemist was saying : after he and Shadow did "Commercial Breakdown" and shops started becoming aware of who he was they'd start refusing to sell him singles cheap 'cos they figured if he wanted it then they could get more for it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-02-10 20:39julia mOh my god, if music was $2 a track to download... I should reconsider my plan of marrying
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Oh my god, if music was $2 a track to download... I should reconsider my plan of marrying an old rich guy and getting his money; or robbing a liquor store, or conducting various internet scams... cause that would be the only way I could afford to keep up with my habit. Just stick it to the vein. ;)
quoted 41 lines From: Brett Dietsch <elph@lawngnome.org>>From: Brett Dietsch <elph@lawngnome.org> >To: Brandon Tallent <djresonance@yahoo.com> >CC: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] the only ones that win r... >Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:30:14 -0500 > > >On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 03:18 PM, Brandon Tallent wrote: >> >>This is a good idea, but I think that 2$ per track >>download is a little bit pricey. If you figure that >>the average cd has 10 tracks on it, you end up paying >>more for each song by downloading then by purchasing >>the cd. I realize that you might be offering hard to >>find tracksor singles, but you get the point. Since >>the purchaser isn't getting any packaging or tangible >>material, I think that the price needs to be low >>enough so that people will not think twice about >>paying for the track when they could alternatively >>download it for free off of a p2p service. I think >>something in the range of 50 cents to 1$ would >>generate more downloads then 2$ per track. > >how much do people pay for a record with 1-2 songs on it? 10 bucks? >lets say 60% of that cost is distribution and material costs. >*gasp* thats two dollars a song! > >i paid 8 or 9 dollars for squarepushers "do you know squarepusher" a year >or so ago. one sided vinyl. one track. >i paid around 15 for afx - two remixes. 2 dollars a tune isnt really that >much, all things considering. i assume that a lot of the tracks soma would >be selling arent from full-lenght albums, so you'd be paying more than that >to get them anyway. > >the option to download something from a p2p service should not have any >impact on the decision to buy a track or not. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2003-02-10 21:47MuffinAs the average artist makes $0.10-$0.15 per track 'sold' I reckon we should be looking som
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As the average artist makes $0.10-$0.15 per track 'sold' I reckon we should be looking somewhere around $0.50 per track maximum. With at least 60% going back to the artist. As opposed to the 10-20% [-promotional costs] an artists gets from traditional deals. Promotion and A&R would be handled by the community deciding what they liked, not marketing managers deciding how they want to make money. A continuation of my previous rant, sorry. The problem is that the tech to do this doesn't exist in the way of micro-payment systems. The %ages that are taken on charges over the internet by credit card companies and costs for bandwidth are comparatively huge just so that other people can profit from the chain. It's not in banks interests to introduce micropayment systems as well, 'cos if people buy smaller amounts of goods on the amount of interest they make on the load is less. Then there are the handling charges for transactions .... 'cos it's really hard to get those computers to add and subtract figures from rows in a database. Once a decent, secure, micro-payment based "Cybercash" exists the entire commerce model of the media industry can be flipped. on 10/2/03 8:39 pm the person going by the name julia m at ulia5@hotmail.com spake :
quoted 60 lines Oh my god, if music was $2 a track to download... I should reconsider my> Oh my god, if music was $2 a track to download... I should reconsider my > plan of marrying an old rich guy and getting his money; or robbing a liquor > store, or conducting various internet scams... cause that would be the only > way I could afford to keep up with my habit. Just stick it to the vein. ;) > > > >> From: Brett Dietsch <elph@lawngnome.org> >> To: Brandon Tallent <djresonance@yahoo.com> >> CC: idm@hyperreal.org >> Subject: Re: [idm] the only ones that win r... >> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:30:14 -0500 >> >> >> On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 03:18 PM, Brandon Tallent wrote: >>> >>> This is a good idea, but I think that 2$ per track >>> download is a little bit pricey. If you figure that >>> the average cd has 10 tracks on it, you end up paying >>> more for each song by downloading then by purchasing >>> the cd. I realize that you might be offering hard to >>> find tracksor singles, but you get the point. Since >>> the purchaser isn't getting any packaging or tangible >>> material, I think that the price needs to be low >>> enough so that people will not think twice about >>> paying for the track when they could alternatively >>> download it for free off of a p2p service. I think >>> something in the range of 50 cents to 1$ would >>> generate more downloads then 2$ per track. >> >> how much do people pay for a record with 1-2 songs on it? 10 bucks? >> lets say 60% of that cost is distribution and material costs. >> *gasp* thats two dollars a song! >> >> i paid 8 or 9 dollars for squarepushers "do you know squarepusher" a year >> or so ago. one sided vinyl. one track. >> i paid around 15 for afx - two remixes. 2 dollars a tune isnt really that >> much, all things considering. i assume that a lot of the tracks soma would >> be selling arent from full-lenght albums, so you'd be paying more than that >> to get them anyway. >> >> the option to download something from a p2p service should not have any >> impact on the decision to buy a track or not. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2003-02-10 20:52Brandon Tallent> i've always wondered why anything having to do with > a computer has > somehow been out
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quoted 14 lines i've always wondered why anything having to do with> i've always wondered why anything having to do with > a computer has > somehow been out of sync with the rest of the > world.. > > for example, there is no incentive for you to walk > out of a restaurant > without paying, is there? > other than the _HIGHLY_ unlikely possibility of > being caught and thrown > in jail, no.. not really. > but you pay, right? you pay each time, and the > thought of not paying > probably doesnt even cross your mind.
That's the reason right there. The convenience of p2p and the astoundingly remote chance of getting in trouble for it is the reason that everyone does it without thinking. That's why I think that in order for a paid download service to work, the system really has to compete with 'free' in order to work. Now, you can't compete with free on price, but if you set up some kind of system where the downloader knows that a certain percentage of the fee is going straight back to the artist, I think more people would be willing to give it a shot, to alleviate their consience if nothing else.
quoted 12 lines wait. right. restaurants have an incentive. thats> wait. right. restaurants have an incentive. thats > why they keep the > mints near the register. do it for the mints, > people! > > the "reality" of the matter is that you dont have to > actively go out of > your way to steal music. dont get me wrong, i steal > music too, but > only when i cant actually find a copy of whatever im > looking for or to > check it out.
quoted 4 lines and on that note, can anyone say anything about the> and on that note, can anyone say anything about the > validity and > availability of "melodies from mars?" >
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