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2002-08-21 19:02f**kin nate [idm] how bad is it when..........
2002-08-21 19:08Omar Hackett Re: [idm] how bad is it when..........
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2002-08-21 19:37Jason Stickel Re: [idm] how bad is it when..........
2002-08-21 20:03cutups Re: [idm] how bad is it when..........
2002-08-21 20:19LotteCat Re: [idm] how bad is it when..........
2002-08-22 02:57M Mercer Re: [idm] how bad is it when..........
2002-08-22 06:44:m. zero Re: [idm] how bad is it when..........
2002-08-22 08:50Benedikt Weigmann Re: [idm] how bad is it when..........
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2002-08-21 19:02f**kin nateHow bad really is it that whenever I hear trance or anything progressive electronic music
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How bad really is it that whenever I hear trance or anything progressive electronic music I just want to stand-up and BOO at the top of my lungs. Come on really now what are these djs and producers thinking trying to tell me that the shit is cool and to give it a chance. Don't they know that anything Progressive is just a waterdown mainstream form of a pure electronic music style. Is it so bad that sometimes I just can't bare it and I do stand up and start screaming "FOR THE INHUMANITY TO STOP ON THE TURNTABLES". Why do RAVERS claim to know so much about electronic music and then cringe when you play something that doesn't fall in the trance, house, jungle, or breaks catagories. This shit has gone on long enough! NO more four on the floor repeditive basslines, no more air horns and whistles its time to get serious. Its time for you kids that actually know whats up to take center stage and organize some events, and get some of the real electronic music out in the clubs or party circuits. Yes I know that the underground is great but I want to here this music on huge frickin rigs and the only way to do that is by getting people to come so you have the money to rent the WALLS OF BASS. Whos with me anyone......anyone.........? Fukin Nate PLUR is DEAD you're NEXT!!!! CAUSE I JUST DON't GIVE A FUCK!!!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-21 19:08Omar HackettQuite it up!..... 4/4 is the root from which all this music emerged, pretty much. I am wit
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Quite it up!..... 4/4 is the root from which all this music emerged, pretty much. I am wit-ju on the Ravie-gravie tip, but thats about 85% of these muthas........now go back to sleep, like me.........
quoted 41 lines From: "f**kin nate" <espionage10@hotmail.com>>From: "f**kin nate" <espionage10@hotmail.com> >To: IDM@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] how bad is it when.......... >Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:02:20 -0500 > >How bad really is it that whenever I hear trance or anything progressive >electronic music I just want to stand-up and BOO at the top of my lungs. >Come on really now what are these djs and producers thinking trying to tell >me that the shit is cool and to give it a chance. Don't they know that >anything Progressive is just a waterdown mainstream form of a pure >electronic music style. Is it so bad that sometimes I just can't bare it >and I do stand up and start screaming "FOR THE INHUMANITY TO STOP ON THE >TURNTABLES". Why do RAVERS claim to know so much about electronic music >and then cringe when you play something that doesn't fall in the trance, >house, jungle, or breaks catagories. This shit has gone on long enough! >NO more four on the floor repeditive basslines, no more air horns and >whistles its time to get serious. Its time for you kids that actually know >whats up to take center stage and organize some events, and get some of the >real electronic music out in the clubs or party circuits. Yes I know that >the underground is great but I want to here this music on huge frickin rigs >and the only way to do that is by getting people to come so you have the >money to rent the WALLS OF BASS. Whos with me anyone......anyone.........? > >Fukin Nate > > >PLUR is DEAD you're NEXT!!!! >CAUSE I JUST DON't GIVE A FUCK!!!!!! > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2002-08-21 19:27Oneaphex@aol.comi've come to realize that after going to raves for 5 years there are three kinds of people
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i've come to realize that after going to raves for 5 years there are three kinds of people that go to raves...ones that go for the drugs, ones that go because it's the cool thing to do, and finally ones that go for the music. in my experience the latter is the minority. that's why there will never be any experimental type stuff at a rave. kaiser np: halicon
2002-08-21 19:37Jason Stickel"How bad really is it that whenever I hear trance or anything progressive electronic music
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"How bad really is it that whenever I hear trance or anything progressive electronic music I just want to stand-up and BOO at the top of my lungs." Sure Nate. I sort of feel the same way about your last post, but yes - I understand. JS
quoted 42 lines From: "f**kin nate" <espionage10@hotmail.com>>From: "f**kin nate" <espionage10@hotmail.com> >To: IDM@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] how bad is it when.......... >Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:02:20 -0500 > >How bad really is it that whenever I hear trance or anything progressive >electronic music I just want to stand-up and BOO at the top of my lungs. >Come on really now what are these djs and producers thinking trying to tell >me that the shit is cool and to give it a chance. Don't they know that >anything Progressive is just a waterdown mainstream form of a pure >electronic music style. Is it so bad that sometimes I just can't bare it >and I do stand up and start screaming "FOR THE INHUMANITY TO STOP ON THE >TURNTABLES". Why do RAVERS claim to know so much about electronic music >and then cringe when you play something that doesn't fall in the trance, >house, jungle, or breaks catagories. This shit has gone on long enough! >NO more four on the floor repeditive basslines, no more air horns and >whistles its time to get serious. Its time for you kids that actually know >whats up to take center stage and organize some events, and get some of the >real electronic music out in the clubs or party circuits. Yes I know that >the underground is great but I want to here this music on huge frickin rigs >and the only way to do that is by getting people to come so you have the >money to rent the WALLS OF BASS. Whos with me anyone......anyone.........? > >Fukin Nate > > >PLUR is DEAD you're NEXT!!!! >CAUSE I JUST DON't GIVE A FUCK!!!!!! > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-08-21 20:03cutupsDepends on what quote unquote raves you go to really. Experimental or at least non-mainstr
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Depends on what quote unquote raves you go to really. Experimental or at least non-mainstream stuff isn't by definition incompatable with raves, raves just went in a different direction. Luckily, in the US at least, the non-rave electronic scene has been building up (at least in my perspective) for the past 4 or so years. - cutups ----- Original Message ----- From: <Oneaphex@aol.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [idm] how bad is it when..........
quoted 3 lines i've come to realize that after going to raves for 5 years there are three> > i've come to realize that after going to raves for 5 years there are three > kinds of people that go to raves...ones that go for the drugs, ones that
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quoted 1 line because it's the cool thing to do, and finally ones that go for the music.> because it's the cool thing to do, and finally ones that go for the music.
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quoted 1 line my experience the latter is the minority. that's why there will never be> my experience the latter is the minority. that's why there will never be
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quoted 7 lines experimental type stuff at a rave.> experimental type stuff at a rave. > > kaiser > > np: halicon > >
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2002-08-21 20:19LotteCatagree 100% with your classification below ... HOWEVER, raves are not places to hear intere
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agree 100% with your classification below ... HOWEVER, raves are not places to hear interesting stuff (well, the last time *I* did anyways was in 1993 -- in Detroit) have found that private, warehouse party type events are waaaaaay more interesting from the standpoint of hearing something off the 4/4 circuit, tho' clearly harder to find! PS -- am still a huge proggy trance & house fan, it's fun as hell to dance to! but LISTENING pleasure extends beyond ... just a thought ----- Original Message ----- From: <Oneaphex@aol.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [idm] how bad is it when..........
quoted 3 lines i've come to realize that after going to raves for 5 years there are three> > i've come to realize that after going to raves for 5 years there are three > kinds of people that go to raves...ones that go for the drugs, ones that
go
quoted 1 line because it's the cool thing to do, and finally ones that go for the music.> because it's the cool thing to do, and finally ones that go for the music.
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quoted 1 line my experience the latter is the minority. that's why there will never be> my experience the latter is the minority. that's why there will never be
any
quoted 7 lines experimental type stuff at a rave.> experimental type stuff at a rave. > > kaiser > > np: halicon > >
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2002-08-22 02:57M Mercerbut what about techno? it's one of the only genres that seems to continually reinvent itse
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but what about techno? it's one of the only genres that seems to continually reinvent itself, and is still accessible on a dancefloor. contrary to what you seem to think, there's a LOT of interesting things happening within repetition and 4/floor... if anything not only based around it, but changing it, rethinking it. the answer to your problem is not killing trance DJs but rather just not paying the rip-off entry fee and not going to cheesy raves. seems simple enough to me :-)
quoted 17 lines How bad really is it that whenever I hear trance or anything progressive>How bad really is it that whenever I hear trance or anything progressive >electronic music I just want to stand-up and BOO at the top of my lungs. >Come on really now what are these djs and producers thinking trying to tell >me that the shit is cool and to give it a chance. Don't they know that >anything Progressive is just a waterdown mainstream form of a pure >electronic music style. Is it so bad that sometimes I just can't bare it >and I do stand up and start screaming "FOR THE INHUMANITY TO STOP ON THE >TURNTABLES". Why do RAVERS claim to know so much about electronic music >and then cringe when you play something that doesn't fall in the trance, >house, jungle, or breaks catagories. This shit has gone on long enough! >NO more four on the floor repeditive basslines, no more air horns and >whistles its time to get serious. Its time for you kids that actually know >whats up to take center stage and organize some events, and get some of the >real electronic music out in the clubs or party circuits. Yes I know that >the underground is great but I want to here this music on huge frickin rigs >and the only way to do that is by getting people to come so you have the >money to rent the WALLS OF BASS. Whos with me anyone......anyone.........?
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2002-08-22 06:44:m. zero<rant> i have to agree with this completely, and then take it a bit further. being somethi
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<rant> i have to agree with this completely, and then take it a bit further. being something of a jaded ex-candy kid gone straight audiophile, i can understand where a great deal of the animosity towards that sort of scene and sound comes from. there are quite a few artists out there who really don't earn their keep in my opinion, but 4/4 and repetition is not necessarily trite. for me, a lot of juding the merits of that sort of music comes from a sort of deontological perspective. that is to say, what is the motivation for the rep? you take a look at something like psychic tv and the infinite beat era, and you recognize motive and purpose. psst...it's about synchronicity. sonic and photic stimulation to provide a channel in which the exposed individual can synchronize. you can consider it primitive if you like, but it needs to be acknolwedged as also being human. take laying down a 4/4 track at 120bpm for example...that particular beat is an emulation of a fetal heartbeat. motive. purpose. i think the point is just that it _can_ be there. an excercise in cyclic presentation needn't always be mindless. blanket statements are dangerous. if you don't like it, that's fine. don't listen. don't go. if you think you just don't understand it, listen again. otherwise, you're essentially a self-professed hypocrite considering your declared preference for densely technical music. </rant> :mz // anonbox · http://posthoc.org/ | http://anonbox.net/ | http://ecesis.org/ 'if there were two of you, which one would win?'
quoted 1 line but what about techno? it's one of the only genres that seems to> but what about techno? it's one of the only genres that seems to
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quoted 3 lines reinvent itself, and is still accessible on a dancefloor. contrary to what> reinvent itself, and is still accessible on a dancefloor. contrary to what > you seem to think, there's a LOT of interesting things happening within > repetition and 4/floor... if anything not only based around it, but
changing
quoted 5 lines it, rethinking it.> it, rethinking it. > > the answer to your problem is not killing trance DJs but rather just not > paying the rip-off entry fee and not going to cheesy raves. seems simple > enough to me :-)
quoted 7 lines NO more four on the floor repeditive basslines, no more air horns and>NO more four on the floor repeditive basslines, no more air horns and >whistles its time to get serious. Its time for you kids that actually know >whats up to take center stage and organize some events, and get some of the >real electronic music out in the clubs or party circuits. Yes I know that >the underground is great but I want to here this music on huge frickin rigs >and the only way to do that is by getting people to come so you have the >money to rent the WALLS OF BASS. Whos with me anyone......anyone.........?
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2002-08-22 08:50Benedikt WeigmannThese people still claim for a "raving society". They say that being a DJ and using turnta
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These people still claim for a "raving society". They say that being a DJ and using turntables is really new, cool and innovative. A different way to become a pop star. There´s a "new" sort of techno thing going on in Germany, called "Schranz", which is by their definition "louder, harder, without cheesy melodies"... But take a brief look at the loveparade 2002 / Berlin! How many people joined this "ever increasing, strictly non-commercial" e event? Not even half a million! Years back ago it was almost 2 millions... ----- Original Message ----- From: "f**kin nate" <espionage10@hotmail.com> To: <IDM@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:02 PM Subject: [idm] how bad is it when..........
quoted 3 lines How bad really is it that whenever I hear trance or anything progressive> How bad really is it that whenever I hear trance or anything progressive > electronic music I just want to stand-up and BOO at the top of my lungs. > Come on really now what are these djs and producers thinking trying to
tell
quoted 5 lines me that the shit is cool and to give it a chance. Don't they know that> me that the shit is cool and to give it a chance. Don't they know that > anything Progressive is just a waterdown mainstream form of a pure > electronic music style. Is it so bad that sometimes I just can't bare it > and I do stand up and start screaming "FOR THE INHUMANITY TO STOP ON THE > TURNTABLES". Why do RAVERS claim to know so much about electronic music
and
quoted 1 line then cringe when you play something that doesn't fall in the trance,> then cringe when you play something that doesn't fall in the trance,
house,
quoted 6 lines jungle, or breaks catagories. This shit has gone on long enough! NO more> jungle, or breaks catagories. This shit has gone on long enough! NO more > four on the floor repeditive basslines, no more air horns and whistles its > time to get serious. Its time for you kids that actually know whats up to > take center stage and organize some events, and get some of the real > electronic music out in the clubs or party circuits. Yes I know that the > underground is great but I want to here this music on huge frickin rigs
and
quoted 9 lines the only way to do that is by getting people to come so you have the money> the only way to do that is by getting people to come so you have the money > to rent the WALLS OF BASS. Whos with me anyone......anyone.........? > > Fukin Nate > > > PLUR is DEAD you're NEXT!!!! > CAUSE I JUST DON't GIVE A FUCK!!!!!! >
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