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So there's been a lot of talk about the new dvd. But nobody has really commented on the music. How are the new tracks? Are they comparable to any of their past work? I hope they're not like anything from that miserable Confield album. Thanks.

Quoting "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@PremiereRadio.com>:

quoted 7 lines So there's been a lot of talk about the new dvd. But nobody has really

> So there's been a lot of talk about the new dvd. But nobody has really > commented on the music. > > How are the new tracks? Are they comparable to any of their past work? I > hope they're not like anything from that miserable Confield album. > > Thanks.

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when i get the dvd one way or another...the first i will do is to skip the 3 audio tracks and go straight to the vids. only the third track got maybe 3 min.of interest the rest is really just noise with a rythm ..just another tired release from ae. amber is still the best they ever done

quoted 10 lines Quoting "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@PremiereRadio.com>:

> Quoting "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@PremiereRadio.com>: > > > So there's been a lot of talk about the new dvd. But nobody has really > > commented on the music. > > > > How are the new tracks? Are they comparable to any of their past work? I > > hope they're not like anything from that miserable Confield album. > > > > Thanks. >

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Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best usually fail to appreciate ae? I think these people are rather stubborn or uncurious or lacking in patience to listen to the later ae, which imo are always evolutions, and offer many more interesting things than in Amber. basically I think amber lovers are narrowminded. On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Peter Heide wrote:

quoted 27 lines when i get the dvd one way or another...the first i will do is to skip the 3 audio

> when i get the dvd one way or another...the first i will do is to skip the 3 audio > tracks and go straight to the vids. > > only the third track got maybe 3 min.of interest the rest is really just noise with a rythm > ..just another tired release from ae. > > amber is still the best they ever done > > > > > Quoting "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@PremiereRadio.com>: > > > > > So there's been a lot of talk about the new dvd. But nobody has really > > > commented on the music. > > > > > > How are the new tracks? Are they comparable to any of their past work? I > > > hope they're not like anything from that miserable Confield album. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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wouldnt it be more logical to assume that different people simply have different tastes? just because someone doesnt like 'new' autechre tracks doesnt mean that they narrowminded or deficient of hearing or something. they may just not be into it. it _is_ drastically different. On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 kingmob@nmt.edu wrote:

quoted 45 lines Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best

> Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best > usually fail to appreciate ae? I think these people are rather stubborn > or uncurious or lacking in patience to listen to the later ae, which imo > are always evolutions, and offer many more interesting things than in > Amber. basically I think amber lovers are narrowminded. > > > > On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Peter Heide wrote: > > > when i get the dvd one way or another...the first i will do is to skip the 3 audio > > tracks and go straight to the vids. > > > > only the third track got maybe 3 min.of interest the rest is really just noise with a rythm > > ..just another tired release from ae. > > > > amber is still the best they ever done > > > > > > > > > Quoting "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@PremiereRadio.com>: > > > > > > > So there's been a lot of talk about the new dvd. But nobody has really > > > > commented on the music. > > > > > > > > How are the new tracks? Are they comparable to any of their past work? I > > > > hope they're not like anything from that miserable Confield album. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > Hooray for Pokey! > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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I'm thinking more along the lines of musical appreciation, not tastes. People will say that Amber is the best they've done and the rest aren't quality, and I think that is narrowminded. I realize that the Grapes of Wrath is a masterpiece but it is far from my favorite Steinbeck, its down there with Raise the Moon or whatever that propaganda piece he did for the government is called. On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Department of Coffee Procurement wrote:

quoted 62 lines wouldnt it be more logical to assume that different people simply have

> wouldnt it be more logical to assume that different people simply have > different tastes? just because someone doesnt like 'new' autechre tracks > doesnt mean that they narrowminded or deficient of hearing or something. > they may just not be into it. it _is_ drastically different. > > On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 kingmob@nmt.edu wrote: > > > Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best > > usually fail to appreciate ae? I think these people are rather stubborn > > or uncurious or lacking in patience to listen to the later ae, which imo > > are always evolutions, and offer many more interesting things than in > > Amber. basically I think amber lovers are narrowminded. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Peter Heide wrote: > > > > > when i get the dvd one way or another...the first i will do is to skip the 3 audio > > > tracks and go straight to the vids. > > > > > > only the third track got maybe 3 min.of interest the rest is really just noise with a rythm > > > ..just another tired release from ae. > > > > > > amber is still the best they ever done > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@PremiereRadio.com>: > > > > > > > > > So there's been a lot of talk about the new dvd. But nobody has really > > > > > commented on the music. > > > > > > > > > > How are the new tracks? Are they comparable to any of their past work? I > > > > > hope they're not like anything from that miserable Confield album. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > Hooray for Pokey! > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -- > "The use of solar energy has not been opened up because the oil > industry does not own the sun." -Ralph Nader > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Here's a reply to the message "re: [idm] new autechre - amberlovers don't actually like the real ae it seems" written on Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:18:16 -0600 (MDT):

quoted 2 lines Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best

>Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best >usually fail to appreciate ae?

Not really. "Amber" is my favourite Autechre album, yet "Confield" is my second favourite and I really dig the stuff on "Gantz Graf". So, where do I sit on your sliding scale between narrow- and open-mindedness?

quoted 3 lines I think these people are rather stubborn or uncurious or lacking in

>I think these people are rather stubborn or uncurious or lacking in >patience to listen to the later ae, which imo are always evolutions, and >offer many more interesting things than in Amber.

Well, you're missing out a whole lot of other possibilities there. After the likes of their "Artificial Intelligence" tracks, "Incunabula" and "Anti", I was already hooked on their sound. "Amber" was a very highly-anticipated Warp release. It was very much a case of 'the right album at the right time'. Arriving in November 1994, its gloriously warm cover (fluffy pink sand dunes), silver typography and more melodic, spacious production values, contrasted nicely with the harsh English winter of that year. For me, "Amber" is just as important a part of Autechre's ever-evolving style as the likes of "Confield" or "Chiastic Slide". "Tri Repetae" built on "Amber" just as "Amber" built on "Incunabula". I can't really see what all the fuss is about.

quoted 1 line basically I think amber lovers are narrowminded.

>basically I think amber lovers are narrowminded.

And suggesting that all people who enjoy "Amber" are narrow-minded *isn't* a narrow-minded attitude? My own personal theory for why "Amber" remains largely overlooked is that most Autechre fans came on board when "Tri Repetae++" was released in the States (just my own personal observation based on postings in this list around that time). Those who enjoyed this went back to "Incunabula" and found a much raw version of the Autechre sound they loved, but when they tried out "Amber", it didn't quite seem to fit in with the others. Then again, some people just don't like it -- but that's as valid a reaction as liking it. And so what if someone who enjoys "Amber" doesn't enjoy "Confield"? That doesn't in any way diminish their ability to enjoy good music. On my CD player this week: Electric Birds - "Gradations" G-Man - "Avanti" Jello - "Voile" Yagya - "The Rhythm of Snow" -- Mark Stevens http://www.insertdisc.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 12:18 PM 7/23/2002 -0600, you wrote:

quoted 5 lines Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best

>Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best >usually fail to appreciate ae? I think these people are rather stubborn >or uncurious or lacking in patience to listen to the later ae, which imo >are always evolutions, and offer many more interesting things than in >Amber. basically I think amber lovers are narrowminded.

They're very different albums sonically and aesthetically, so it's not really surprising. Amber is very similar to older-school IDM, like much of the stuff on Warp at the time. B12, Nightmares on Wax, etc. I do think it is a little myopic why anyone would think that the next autechre releases would sound like anything they've done in the past -- the only reason to pick them up, as a fan, is to see where they're going in the future. And that's sort of a different approach to enjoying an artist. Lots of times people follow an artist because the output has a consistent sound, rather than a consistent techique or signature 'weirdness.' Plenty of people buy an artist's or band's new album because they want more of the same; they really like the sound they heard before. Sometimes it just isn't the case, and Autechre are a case in point -- their stuff has "evolved" on each album, taking bits from the previous and expanding on those, rather than taking new bits and combining them with old consistently. I'm not drawing a comparison to Autechre and The Beatles, but they have the same camps -- people who like early Beatles don't tend to like older Beatles, and vice versa. They're different styles and types of music. Of course the albums in the middle tend to bridge the gap, but there aren't a lot of fans who like everything. I don't think it's very productive for either side, however, to claim that an album is "crappy" or "miserable" without providing a reason (for others to make an educated decision on their own). That's just trolling. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

There's no peace to be made between the Amber/Tri Repetae fans and Confield lovers. The only answer that remains is for both sides to murder each others' children, bomb buses, and constantly yammer about how they're right and the other side is being unreasonable. We want to see blood. I mean, it's really worth fighting over, you fanboy cocksuckers, I'm not kidding. I mean, it's a great verbal argument, too, but don't you see that after SEVENTEEN BILLION REPETITIONS OF THE SAME EPISODE, it's time to escalate? Take it to the next level, or 'evolve' or whatever. Tom P.S. I find it hard to believe that anybody was being RUDE and BRAYING LIKE A JACKASS at an Autechre concert. That's INCONCEIVABLE. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

-----Original Message----- From: Bryan Finoki [mailto:finoki@lucasarts.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 1:51 PM To: 'kingmob@nmt.edu' Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] new autechre - amberlovers don't actually like the real ae it seems yeah. I think anyone that says, autechre must be cheap snobby and lazy for not having gimmicky life-preserver visuals at their show, never had a clue about their music to begin with at all. Anyone that thinks Amber is their best album, and shrugs off the evolution of Confield, doesnt have a clue anymore, anyone that would get the dvd and just skip to the videos with minimal interest in the tracks themselves, probably will never get a clue. On one hand, I am kind of suprised, but on another, I am not suprised by these benignmizings at all. "Hey people, lets go to that autechre concert for a real nice night out on the town where we can be social and see cool light shows and artsy abstract visuals and where I can wear my cool IDM fashion gear..." -----Original Message----- From: kingmob@nmt.edu [mailto:kingmob@nmt.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:18 AM Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: re: [idm] new autechre - amberlovers don't actually like the real ae it seems Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best usually fail to appreciate ae? I think these people are rather stubborn or uncurious or lacking in patience to listen to the later ae, which imo are always evolutions, and offer many more interesting things than in Amber. basically I think amber lovers are narrowminded. On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Peter Heide wrote:

quoted 1 line when i get the dvd one way or another...the first i will do is to skip

> when i get the dvd one way or another...the first i will do is to skip

the 3 audio

quoted 3 lines tracks and go straight to the vids.

> tracks and go straight to the vids. > > only the third track got maybe 3 min.of interest the rest is really

just noise with a rythm

quoted 9 lines ..just another tired release from ae.

> ..just another tired release from ae. > > amber is still the best they ever done > > > > > Quoting "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@PremiereRadio.com>: > > > > > So there's been a lot of talk about the new dvd. But nobody has

really

quoted 3 lines commented on the music.

> > > commented on the music. > > > > > > How are the new tracks? Are they comparable to any of their past

work? I

quoted 11 lines hope they're not like anything from that miserable Confield album.

> > > hope they're not like anything from that miserable Confield album. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Here's a reply to the message "RE: [idm] new autechre - amberlovers don't actually like the real ae it seems" written on Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:50:31 -0700:

quoted 3 lines "Hey people, lets go to that autechre concert for a real nice night out on

>"Hey people, lets go to that autechre concert for a real nice night out on >the town where we can be social and see cool light shows and artsy abstract >visuals and where I can wear my cool IDM fashion gear..."

As long as they shut the fuck up and actually listen to the music, those sorts of people are fine by me. I've only ever attended one Autechre gig and that was ruined by some knob sitting nearby who spent the entire duration of the set talking about how clever Autechre were and how he had the ability to produce similar music at home. FOR THE ENTIRE SET! His mates were looking a bit embarrassed and were trying not to encourage him and everyone around him was like, "Shut the fuck up!" I bet that fucker preferred "Confield" to "Amber" too. -- Mark Stevens http://www.insertdisc.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Oh jesus christ not this fucking thread again. Basically I think anybody who wants to make decisions about peoples' open-mindedness based on what "AE" album they prefer is either compensating for their own "AVANT GARDE COOLNESS DEFICIENCY" or else trolling for hate mail. C'mon ... Amber's a fucking great album and maybe I don't LIKE the sounds of metal scraping on metal or decimated breakbeats as much as I like the "classic warp" sound? Is that narrow-minded? There's no rule that says you have to follow an artist down a path. I mean look at John Coltrane and Miles Davis. Coltrane went down the ASTRAL PROJECTION THROUGH EXTREME NOIZE road, wheras Miles Davis decided he wanted to pretend he was some sort of Funky Half-Assed Jam Band. Am I FAILING in some regard because I prefer 'A Love Supreme' to 'Ascention' and 'Kind of Blue' over 'Bitches Brew'? Sorry for the rant. Let's get back to talking about how cool "IDM" is.. . I think BOARDS OF CANADA sound like YANNI. Squarepusher's best album was HARD NORMAL DADDY because i really fucking love the WEATHER REPORT. Discuss amongst yourselves. asterblaster

quoted 5 lines Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best

> Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best > usually fail to appreciate ae? I think these people are rather stubborn > or uncurious or lacking in patience to listen to the later ae, which imo > are always evolutions, and offer many more interesting things than in > Amber. basically I think amber lovers are narrowminded.

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On the Davis example, don't most people agree that Kind of Blues may be the best single jazz album in general, even the super jazz-o-philes, and not Bitches Brew so often? just curious, as I really don't know, I think Bitches Brew is technically fantastic, and interesting, but "Kind of Blue" is a desserted island record for sure. On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 asterprox@attbi.com wrote:

quoted 40 lines Oh jesus christ not this fucking thread again.

> Oh jesus christ not this fucking thread again. > Basically I think anybody who wants to make > decisions about peoples' open-mindedness based > on what "AE" album they prefer is either > compensating for their own "AVANT GARDE > COOLNESS DEFICIENCY" or else trolling for hate > mail. C'mon ... Amber's a fucking great album and > maybe I don't LIKE the sounds of metal scraping on > metal or decimated breakbeats as much as I like the > "classic warp" sound? Is that narrow-minded? > There's no rule that says you have to follow an artist > down a path. I mean look at John Coltrane and > Miles Davis. Coltrane went down the ASTRAL > PROJECTION THROUGH EXTREME NOIZE road, > wheras Miles Davis decided he wanted to pretend > he was some sort of Funky Half-Assed Jam Band. > Am I FAILING in some regard because I prefer 'A > Love Supreme' to 'Ascention' and 'Kind of Blue' over > 'Bitches Brew'? > > Sorry for the rant. Let's get back to talking about how > cool "IDM" is.. . > > I think BOARDS OF CANADA sound like YANNI. > Squarepusher's best album was HARD NORMAL > DADDY because i really fucking love the WEATHER > REPORT. Discuss amongst yourselves. > > asterblaster > > Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best > > usually fail to appreciate ae? I think these people are rather stubborn > > or uncurious or lacking in patience to listen to the later ae, which imo > > are always evolutions, and offer many more interesting things than in > > Amber. basically I think amber lovers are narrowminded. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Oh shit.....is IDM becoming the goth scene of the new century...I hope not. All we need is 100 Plaid followers freaking out about how cool they are because they are on the Nothing label. "do you think they know Trent?..."

quoted 86 lines From: Bryan Finoki <finoki@lucasarts.com>

>From: Bryan Finoki <finoki@lucasarts.com> >To: "'kingmob@nmt.edu'" <kingmob@nmt.edu> >CC: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [idm] new autechre - amberlovers don't actually like the real >ae it seems >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:50:31 -0700 > >yeah. > >I think anyone that says, autechre must be cheap snobby and lazy for not >having gimmicky life-preserver visuals at their show, never had a clue >about >their music to begin with at all. Anyone that thinks Amber is their best >album, and shrugs off the evolution of Confield, doesnt have a clue >anymore, >anyone that would get the dvd and just skip to the videos with minimal >interest in the tracks themselves, probably will never get a clue. On one >hand, I am kind of suprised, but on another, I am not suprised by these >benignmizings at all. > >"Hey people, lets go to that autechre concert for a real nice night out on >the town where we can be social and see cool light shows and artsy abstract >visuals and where I can wear my cool IDM fashion gear..." > >-----Original Message----- >From: kingmob@nmt.edu [mailto:kingmob@nmt.edu] >Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:18 AM >Cc: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: re: [idm] new autechre - amberlovers don't actually like the >real ae it seems > > >Has anyone else picked up on how people how say Amber is their best >usually fail to appreciate ae? I think these people are rather stubborn >or uncurious or lacking in patience to listen to the later ae, which imo >are always evolutions, and offer many more interesting things than in >Amber. basically I think amber lovers are narrowminded. > > > >On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Peter Heide wrote: > > > when i get the dvd one way or another...the first i will do is to skip >the >3 audio > > tracks and go straight to the vids. > > > > only the third track got maybe 3 min.of interest the rest is really just >noise with a rythm > > ..just another tired release from ae. > > > > amber is still the best they ever done > > > > > > > > > Quoting "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@PremiereRadio.com>: > > > > > > > So there's been a lot of talk about the new dvd. But nobody has >really > > > > commented on the music. > > > > > > > > How are the new tracks? Are they comparable to any of their past >work? >I > > > > hope they're not like anything from that miserable Confield album. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >Hooray for Pokey! > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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At 01:05 PM 7/23/2002 -0700, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines Oh shit.....is IDM becoming the goth scene of the new century...I hope not.

>Oh shit.....is IDM becoming the goth scene of the new century...I hope not. >All we need is 100 Plaid followers freaking out about how cool they are >because they are on the Nothing label. "do you think they know Trent?..."

Which would be really funny, considering how happy-go-lucky so many plaid songs are :) derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i'm sure if there was a jazz@hyperreal.org back then there would be this same discussion.... what is it that keeps us from moving to the next level...fear or laziness? (waking life)

Dans un courrier daté du 23/07/02 9:18:10 Paris, Madrid (heure d'été), daniel@aptrick.com a écrit :

quoted 5 lines "Hey people, lets go to that autechre concert for a real nice night out

> "Hey people, lets go to that autechre concert for a real nice night out > on > the town where we can be social and see cool light shows and artsy > abstract > visuals and where I can wear my cool IDM fashion gear..."

i was disappointed when i went to the last ae live in paris. people don't seem to enjoy the music :( --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Dans un courrier daté du 24/07/02 3:44:48 Paris, Madrid (heure d'été), kingmob@nmt.edu a écrit :

quoted 3 lines I'm thinking more along the lines of musical appreciation, not tastes.

> I'm thinking more along the lines of musical appreciation, not tastes. > People will say that Amber is the best they've done and the rest aren't > quality, and I think that is narrowminded.

i'll have to agree with that. many people tend to love ae's earlier stuff and say they've been doing shite after amber, of after chiastic. and concerning those whose fave is amber but with confield as close second, i would simply call them 'freaks' :) nah there is one thing that i can't understand. i've been listening to ae for a few years and i don't have the slightest idea about how much innovative their earlier stuff was, cause it's all been imitated and sound banal now. dunno if i'm clear. so it's difficult for recent listeners like me to have a proper opinion on old releases... /yann aka no_id p.s. sorry kingmob, i meant to send it to the list, not directly you so apologies for the double email :/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org