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Autechre is amazing, and I'm not just being a die hard fan. After hearing the show on Friday, I went back and listened to Amber- I find that it sounds simple now. I think there is a phenomenon that happens with their music- it can either sound orderd, wiht layers building upon layers, or they can sound very chatoic. I've been to shows that sounded chaotic to me, and very clear to other people. The show on Friday was very clear to me, and chaotic to some other people I was with. You have to pay attention and not miss the hook- if you are listening then you can fall into the fold and hear apparent and playful patterns. The show on Friday was dark, and moody, and tight as hell. Rob Hall is one of the smoothest dj's ever, and his label is amazing. Mad props. Russell Haswell's set on Friday was simply obnoxious, to the point of making me dizzy-his set today at Princton was a bit more ordered- but he managed to blow away the other cover bands playing on the neighboring lawns with brazen abstract noise. That was awesome- everyone from the neighboring show was turned around as if to say "what the fuck"- as their cover band struggled to compete fort heir attention. Everyone was riveted to the meteor shower of electronica. So funny! Autechre rules- if you can't hear it- then you are missing the point. You should just leave, and come back later. -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Hoffman [mailto:supine@bway.net] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 12:33 AM To: IDM List Subject: [idm] Autechre at Bowery Ballroom just back from seeing Autechre at Bowery Ballroom, NYC. Rob Hall, the tedious opener, chased the crowd downstairs for a few drinks. Then Autechre came out and played some pretty good (and occasionally great) music, but they never managed to electrify the crowd, which wound up talking loudly through most of the set (one could construe that to mean that the music wasn't loud enough, I suppose). After a couple of things with a surprisingly straightforward techno underpinning, they settled into their patented random time-signiture onslaught. there were too many songs of similar character and intensity -- drum heavy, uptempo. it was easy to glaze over. The few times the crowd roused to cheers happened at a couple of points where they finally switched to a slower groove. nonetheless, if one closed one's eyes, there was plenty going on, more riches than one could keep up with at times. no one does it quite like them, despite routine allegations to the contrary. would have been happier closing my eyes in a more comfortable and intimate space than Bowery Ballroom, but what the hell. k --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 3 lines last saturday I wrote:

>last saturday I wrote: >>Rob Hall, the tedious opener, chased the crowd downstairs for a few >drinks.

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On Sat, 5 May 2001, Kurt Hoffman wrote:

quoted 5 lines nonetheless, if one closed one's eyes, there was plenty going on,

> nonetheless, if one closed one's eyes, there was plenty going on, > more riches than one could keep up with at times. no one does it > quite like them, despite routine allegations to the contrary. would > have been happier closing my eyes in a more comfortable and intimate > space than Bowery Ballroom, but what the hell.

Yeah, this pretty much sums up night one. My biggest complaint with the venue was the sound system. The bass only existed as a diffuse thudding sound that obliterated a lot of the high end detail and made it almost impossible to enjoy with earplugs (think dinosaur stomping on Dixie cups). Between this and being continuously jostled/stepped on/poured beer upon made it sort of difficult to follow the boys once they cut the moorings loose and started to navigate through more oblique territory. The early part of the set did pretty much affirm their reputation as rhythmic virtuosoes & I imagine that the latter part was equally rewarding, especially to those who possess the Boulezesque ability to comprehend the most difficult music in one go. Unfortunately, I did not rank among their number that night. By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in full-on suburban dad mode) checked out an hour into the set. This means that we're much smarter than him, right? -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I'm going to the ae show at the El Rey on May 19th and I had a couple of questions. Would you suggest a person who would actually like to listen to the music and not just hear the bass wear earplugs? I ask because they're kinda silly and uncomfortable. Also, does the El Rey have a bar? Can you smoke there(cigarettes)(And before you say anything, I only smoke when I drink)? I was thinking about dropping three hits a little while after ae came on stage, is there any place nice to trip around the El Rey? Perhaps a pleasant campus to explore? Being LA I don't suppose it would be wise to stroll about a park in the middle of the night. PEN EXPERS kicks ass!!!! quick review Meat Beat Manifesto - Actual Sounds and voices: I don't know if you could call this idm, but its kind of a fun cd. I'm not much for big beat which this is a little bit , but this is also kind of jazzy. I don't think there are enough quality tracks that are actual full blown tracks. They often feel unfinished. Quality, but not something that has enough to offer to distract me from Confield, and not fun enough to distract me from stuff like Clarence Park and Agony. It might sound like I'm dissing this cd, but I really apreciate the jazz on it. Side note: Its on Reznor's Nothing Label, which is nice, along with Autechre, Squarepusher, and overplaid. Oh, and anyone know where that acid again clip comes from? Orb also used it on the Little Fluffy Cloud track. 3/5 LENTIC CATACHRESIS kicks ass!!!! "what are you, some kind of machine?" http://mirror.yellow5.com/archive/index52.html On Mon, 7 May 2001, R. Lim wrote:

quoted 32 lines On Sat, 5 May 2001, Kurt Hoffman wrote:

> On Sat, 5 May 2001, Kurt Hoffman wrote: > > > nonetheless, if one closed one's eyes, there was plenty going on, > > more riches than one could keep up with at times. no one does it > > quite like them, despite routine allegations to the contrary. would > > have been happier closing my eyes in a more comfortable and intimate > > space than Bowery Ballroom, but what the hell. > > Yeah, this pretty much sums up night one. My biggest complaint with the > venue was the sound system. The bass only existed as a diffuse thudding > sound that obliterated a lot of the high end detail and made it almost > impossible to enjoy with earplugs (think dinosaur stomping on Dixie cups). > Between this and being continuously jostled/stepped on/poured beer upon > made it sort of difficult to follow the boys once they cut the moorings > loose and started to navigate through more oblique territory. The early > part of the set did pretty much affirm their reputation as rhythmic > virtuosoes & I imagine that the latter part was equally rewarding, > especially to those who possess the Boulezesque ability to comprehend the > most difficult music in one go. Unfortunately, I did not rank among their > number that night. > > By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in > full-on suburban dad mode) checked out an hour into the set. This means > that we're much smarter than him, right? > > -rob > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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the el rey has a bar, but it's a fucking ripoff. $6 for a corona. fuck that. they cost 75 cents in TJ. mixed drinks are more expensive and come in a little dixie cup. your best bet is to get trashed in the parking lot, high school days style. no smoking allowed in california, buddy. -j --- "<Insert ubiquitous deep quote from dead guy here>" On Mon, 7 May 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote:

quoted 73 lines I'm going to the ae show at the El Rey on May 19th and I had a couple of

> I'm going to the ae show at the El Rey on May 19th and I had a couple of > questions. Would you suggest a person who would actually like to listen > to the music and not just hear the bass wear earplugs? I ask because > they're kinda silly and uncomfortable. > Also, does the El Rey have a bar? Can you smoke there(cigarettes)(And > before you say anything, I only smoke when I drink)? > I was thinking about dropping three hits a little while after ae came on > stage, is there any place nice to trip around the El Rey? Perhaps a > pleasant campus to explore? Being LA I don't suppose it would be wise to stroll about a > park in the middle of the night. > > PEN EXPERS kicks ass!!!! > > quick review > Meat Beat Manifesto - Actual Sounds and voices: I don't know if you could > call this idm, but its kind of a fun cd. I'm not much for big beat which > this is a little bit , but this is also kind of jazzy. I don't think there > are enough quality tracks that are actual full blown tracks. They often feel > unfinished. Quality, but not something that has enough to offer to > distract me from Confield, and not fun enough to distract me from stuff > like Clarence Park and Agony. It might sound like I'm dissing this > cd, but I really apreciate the jazz on it. Side note: Its on Reznor's > Nothing Label, which is nice, along with Autechre, Squarepusher, and > overplaid. Oh, and anyone know where that acid again clip comes from? > Orb also used it on the Little Fluffy Cloud track. 3/5 > > LENTIC CATACHRESIS kicks ass!!!! > > "what are you, some kind of machine?" > http://mirror.yellow5.com/archive/index52.html > > > On Mon, 7 May 2001, R. Lim wrote: > > > On Sat, 5 May 2001, Kurt Hoffman wrote: > > > > > nonetheless, if one closed one's eyes, there was plenty going on, > > > more riches than one could keep up with at times. no one does it > > > quite like them, despite routine allegations to the contrary. would > > > have been happier closing my eyes in a more comfortable and intimate > > > space than Bowery Ballroom, but what the hell. > > > > Yeah, this pretty much sums up night one. My biggest complaint with the > > venue was the sound system. The bass only existed as a diffuse thudding > > sound that obliterated a lot of the high end detail and made it almost > > impossible to enjoy with earplugs (think dinosaur stomping on Dixie cups). > > Between this and being continuously jostled/stepped on/poured beer upon > > made it sort of difficult to follow the boys once they cut the moorings > > loose and started to navigate through more oblique territory. The early > > part of the set did pretty much affirm their reputation as rhythmic > > virtuosoes & I imagine that the latter part was equally rewarding, > > especially to those who possess the Boulezesque ability to comprehend the > > most difficult music in one go. Unfortunately, I did not rank among their > > number that night. > > > > By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in > > full-on suburban dad mode) checked out an hour into the set. This means > > that we're much smarter than him, right? > > > > -rob > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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bar yes, drinks too expensive trip? take a friend with a car who can take you home after yes, it is la have fun. chris. On Mon, 7 May 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote:

quoted 10 lines I'm going to the ae show at the El Rey on May 19th and I had a couple of

> I'm going to the ae show at the El Rey on May 19th and I had a couple of > questions. Would you suggest a person who would actually like to listen > to the music and not just hear the bass wear earplugs? I ask because > they're kinda silly and uncomfortable. > Also, does the El Rey have a bar? Can you smoke there(cigarettes)(And > before you say anything, I only smoke when I drink)? > I was thinking about dropping three hits a little while after ae came on > stage, is there any place nice to trip around the El Rey? Perhaps a > pleasant campus to explore? Being LA I don't suppose it would be wise to stroll about a > park in the middle of the night.

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On Mon, 7 May 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote:

quoted 4 lines I'm going to the ae show at the El Rey on May 19th and I had a couple of

> I'm going to the ae show at the El Rey on May 19th and I had a couple of > questions. Would you suggest a person who would actually like to listen > to the music and not just hear the bass wear earplugs? I ask because > they're kinda silly and uncomfortable.

Yeah, they're silly until you get this sudden hellish ringing in your ears that comes and goes at random intervals a few years later. Not to mention having more trouble hearing your friends speak while walking down the street because of background noise. But seriously, it depends on the earplugs and how good the soundsystem is. I wore plugs for Ae's NYC and Princeton shows and things sounded fine to me. Use your own judgement but don't say I didn't warn you ;) Howard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Yea, I guess I will go with earplugs, I don't suppose anyone can recommend a brand or anything like that. The last time I tried to wear them they really sucked ass. They were physically silly and uncomfortable. On Mon, 7 May 2001, Howard Shih wrote:

quoted 18 lines On Mon, 7 May 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote:

> On Mon, 7 May 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote: > > > I'm going to the ae show at the El Rey on May 19th and I had a couple of > > questions. Would you suggest a person who would actually like to listen > > to the music and not just hear the bass wear earplugs? I ask because > > they're kinda silly and uncomfortable. > > Yeah, they're silly until you get this sudden hellish ringing in your ears > that comes and goes at random intervals a few years later. Not to mention > having more trouble hearing your friends speak while walking down the > street because of background noise. > > But seriously, it depends on the earplugs and how good the soundsystem is. > I wore plugs for Ae's NYC and Princeton shows and things sounded fine to > me. Use your own judgement but don't say I didn't warn you ;) > > Howard >

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I'd heartily recommend Hearos. They make multiple variations, but the basic foam ones that look like pink bloated Goldfish crackers are really nice. They're more comfortable than wax or paper, and after having them in for about 15 minutes you don't even notice them, if you "installed them" correctly. I picked up a pack of 4 (two for my ears, two for my girlfriend's) and it was amazing being able to leave the venue, take out the earplugs, and hear everything just like you never went to a very very loud show. If you go to any music store in the area, you should be able to ask about earplugs and get some good recommendations. Most of the music store lackeys will rant on and on about their "custom made" ones which are, of course, the nicest kind, but are about 70 bucks and take a while to get made. They should have a couple styles of Hearos though, and they're pretty cheap (under $5) cheers, /derek At 05:36 PM 5/7/2001 -0600, Brian M. Cass wrote:

quoted 30 lines Yea, I guess I will go with earplugs, I don't suppose anyone can recommend

>Yea, I guess I will go with earplugs, I don't suppose anyone can recommend >a brand or anything like that. The last time I tried to wear them they >really sucked ass. They were physically silly and uncomfortable. > >On Mon, 7 May 2001, Howard Shih wrote: > > > On Mon, 7 May 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote: > > > > > I'm going to the ae show at the El Rey on May 19th and I had a couple of > > > questions. Would you suggest a person who would actually like to listen > > > to the music and not just hear the bass wear earplugs? I ask because > > > they're kinda silly and uncomfortable. > > > > Yeah, they're silly until you get this sudden hellish ringing in your ears > > that comes and goes at random intervals a few years later. Not to mention > > having more trouble hearing your friends speak while walking down the > > street because of background noise. > > > > But seriously, it depends on the earplugs and how good the soundsystem is. > > I wore plugs for Ae's NYC and Princeton shows and things sounded fine to > > me. Use your own judgement but don't say I didn't warn you ;) > > > > Howard > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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For about $250 you can get fitted with a professional set of earplugs. They cut out the frequencies that will fuck with your hearing, while still allowing you to hear what you're listening to pretty well. They don't have the same muffled effect that the store bought ones do. They basically make a mold of your ear so they fit really well, and if you're a DJ you can get them specially made to not protrude out of the ear (ie. so you can wear headphones over top without the headphones pressing the earplug into your ear). Well worth the investment in the long run. Jeff on 5/7/01 6:36 PM, Brian M. Cass at kingmob@nmt.edu wrote:

quoted 31 lines Yea, I guess I will go with earplugs, I don't suppose anyone can recommend

> Yea, I guess I will go with earplugs, I don't suppose anyone can recommend > a brand or anything like that. The last time I tried to wear them they > really sucked ass. They were physically silly and uncomfortable. > > On Mon, 7 May 2001, Howard Shih wrote: > >> On Mon, 7 May 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote: >> >>> I'm going to the ae show at the El Rey on May 19th and I had a couple of >>> questions. Would you suggest a person who would actually like to listen >>> to the music and not just hear the bass wear earplugs? I ask because >>> they're kinda silly and uncomfortable. >> >> Yeah, they're silly until you get this sudden hellish ringing in your ears >> that comes and goes at random intervals a few years later. Not to mention >> having more trouble hearing your friends speak while walking down the >> street because of background noise. >> >> But seriously, it depends on the earplugs and how good the soundsystem is. >> I wore plugs for Ae's NYC and Princeton shows and things sounded fine to >> me. Use your own judgement but don't say I didn't warn you ;) >> >> Howard >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On Mon, 7 May 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote:

quoted 4 lines I'm going to the ae show at the El Rey on May 19th and I had a couple of

> I'm going to the ae show at the El Rey on May 19th and I had a couple of > questions. Would you suggest a person who would actually like to listen > to the music and not just hear the bass wear earplugs? I ask because > they're kinda silly and uncomfortable.

Go the bathroom, get a slice of toilet paper, separate the plies, crunch each up into a ball, and put into each ear... just not too far in.... (don't want to be responsible for anyone who gets artifacts stuck inside their ears)... Usually, this works me for me as something between wearing earplugs, and wearing nothing. I have no idea how safe it is. And sometimes it doesn't work that well, depending on where you're standing.. and if the sound job is bad anyway.

quoted 1 line Also, does the El Rey have a bar?

> Also, does the El Rey have a bar?

Yes. Nothing less than $5.00. Woohoo! Hope you have cash.

quoted 3 lines Can you

> Can you >smoke there(cigarettes)(And > before you say anything, I only smoke when I drink)?

California is the proud state of the nation that bars smoking inside ALL "public" buildings, period. Maybe one day, Californicaters won't be allowed to smoke in their own living space, but the lawmakers have been a little slow getting to that. But there's a little area outside the El Rey where smokers (usually, half the attendees) cram, rub shoulders, etc. to get their fix. But I don't think they let you DRINK outside in the smoking pit.

quoted 4 lines I was thinking about dropping three hits a little while after ae came on

> I was thinking about dropping three hits a little while after ae came on > stage, is there any place nice to trip around the El Rey? Perhaps a > pleasant campus to explore? Being LA I don't suppose it would be wise to stroll about a > park in the middle of the night.

Wilshire Blvd. at night is pretty unsubstantial, last I checked. Save it for the beach... or Canter's Jewish deli (open 24 hours a day, except on late night before the Sabbath, where they close for a few hours) while looking at the ceiling. Hey Brian, see you in the *pit*. I'll be the one crowd surfing and slam dancing during the show. If you can't take the heat, move the fuck away. :) (I'll be coming from out of state too, for a convention in L.A.) ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> ======================================================================= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

FYI, wadding up toilet paper and sticking it in your ears does more harm than good. It does not block enough sound on its own AND it keeps your ear canal from constricting to keep out excess volume. You might as well set off an air horn in your ear. --- Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> wrote:

quoted 14 lines Go the bathroom, get a slice of toilet paper,

> > Go the bathroom, get a slice of toilet paper, > separate the plies, crunch > each up into a ball, and put into each ear... just > not too far in.... > (don't want to be responsible for anyone who gets > artifacts stuck inside > their ears)... Usually, this works me for me as > something between wearing > earplugs, and wearing nothing. I have no idea how > safe it is. And > sometimes it doesn't work that well, depending on > where you're standing.. > and if the sound job is bad anyway.

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On Mon, 7 May 2001, Justin Lovero wrote:

quoted 5 lines FYI, wadding up toilet paper and sticking it in your

> FYI, wadding up toilet paper and sticking it in your > ears does more harm than good. It does not block > enough sound on its own AND it keeps your ear canal > from constricting to keep out excess volume. You > might as well set off an air horn in your ear.

As somebody already mentioned, this is not true. In fact, an otolaryngologist recommended this very measure to me if no alternatives were available. I mentioned the above rumor to him and he denied it, saying "[the paper] is better than nothing". Of course, a bike helmet will do you little good if a bomb is dropped on your head. -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines Can you smoke there(cigarettes)(And

> Can you smoke there(cigarettes)(And > before you say anything, I only smoke when I drink)? > I was thinking about dropping three hits a little while after ae came on > stage, is there any place nice to trip around the El Rey?

Interesting that you instantly defend your cigarette habit, but talk about dropping acid as if you were talking about eating a banana! What an odd culture we live in, eh? Zzb ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i see it as a positive thing. yay psychedelics! On Mon, 7 May 2001, Lander wrote:

quoted 25 lines Can you smoke there(cigarettes)(And

> > Can you smoke there(cigarettes)(And > > before you say anything, I only smoke when I drink)? > > I was thinking about dropping three hits a little while after ae came on > > stage, is there any place nice to trip around the El Rey? > > Interesting that you instantly defend your cigarette habit, but talk about > dropping acid as if you were talking about eating a banana! What an odd > culture we live in, eh? > > > Zzb > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Yes it is interesting, that something that causes cancer, heart disease, etc etc is legal and "ok" and something with no physical side effects (but possible mental ones) is taboo and can land you in jail! At 08:26 PM 5/7/2001 -0700, you wrote:

quoted 8 lines Can you smoke there(cigarettes)(And

> > Can you smoke there(cigarettes)(And > > before you say anything, I only smoke when I drink)? > > I was thinking about dropping three hits a little while after ae came on > > stage, is there any place nice to trip around the El Rey? > >Interesting that you instantly defend your cigarette habit, but talk about >dropping acid as if you were talking about eating a banana! What an odd >culture we live in, eh?

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Woah there tiger! I wasn't judging ANYONE... And I used to be a rabid, frothing anti-smoker too-- till I tried it. Oh well, another one bites the dust, right? Keep fighting the good fight, bro. Zzb --- Bill Wright <bill@subtr.ac> wrote:

quoted 25 lines Yes it is interesting, that something that causes cancer, heart disease,

> Yes it is interesting, that something that causes cancer, heart disease, > > etc etc is legal and "ok" and something with no physical side effects > (but > possible mental ones) is taboo and can land you in jail! > > > At 08:26 PM 5/7/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > > Can you smoke there(cigarettes)(And > > > before you say anything, I only smoke when I drink)? > > > I was thinking about dropping three hits a little while after ae > came on > > > stage, is there any place nice to trip around the El Rey? > > > >Interesting that you instantly defend your cigarette habit, but talk > about > >dropping acid as if you were talking about eating a banana! What an > odd > >culture we live in, eh? > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On Mon, 7 May 2001, Lander wrote:

quoted 3 lines Interesting that you instantly defend your cigarette habit, but talk about

> Interesting that you instantly defend your cigarette habit, but talk about > dropping acid as if you were talking about eating a banana! What an odd > culture we live in, eh?

That's because acid is safer than cigarettes. LSD metabolizes naturally in the system; that's why you can't overdose on it. m@2zo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i've never heard that before. More LSD please. (whatever) on 5/11/01 1:28 AM, The Chisa at matt@holland.deathhouse.net wrote:

quoted 9 lines On Mon, 7 May 2001, Lander wrote:

> > On Mon, 7 May 2001, Lander wrote: > >> Interesting that you instantly defend your cigarette habit, but talk about >> dropping acid as if you were talking about eating a banana! What an odd >> culture we live in, eh? > > That's because acid is safer than cigarettes. LSD metabolizes naturally > in the system; that's why you can't overdose on it.

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Not mention lsd doesn't give you canced or become addictive or waste your life like tv. Not that I'm against cigarettes, its just I wanted to stick up for our good friend Cid. On Fri, 11 May 2001, The Chisa wrote:

quoted 19 lines On Mon, 7 May 2001, Lander wrote:

> > On Mon, 7 May 2001, Lander wrote: > > > Interesting that you instantly defend your cigarette habit, but talk about > > dropping acid as if you were talking about eating a banana! What an odd > > culture we live in, eh? > > That's because acid is safer than cigarettes. LSD metabolizes naturally > in the system; that's why you can't overdose on it. > > > m@2zo > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Of course, you're considered legally insane after 6 hits. cheers, /derek At 06:07 AM 5/11/2001 -0600, Brian M. Cass wrote:

quoted 34 lines Not mention lsd doesn't give you canced or become addictive or waste your

>Not mention lsd doesn't give you canced or become addictive or waste your >life like tv. >Not that I'm against cigarettes, its just I wanted to stick up for our >good friend Cid. > > >On Fri, 11 May 2001, The Chisa wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 7 May 2001, Lander wrote: > > > > > Interesting that you instantly defend your cigarette habit, but talk > about > > > dropping acid as if you were talking about eating a banana! What an odd > > > culture we live in, eh? > > > > That's because acid is safer than cigarettes. LSD metabolizes naturally > > in the system; that's why you can't overdose on it. > > > > > > m@2zo > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 1 line Of course, you're considered legally insane after 6 hits.

> Of course, you're considered legally insane after 6 hits.

quoted 3 lines That's because acid is safer than cigarettes. LSD

> That's because acid is safer than cigarettes. LSD > metabolizes naturally > in the system; that's why you can't overdose on it.

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well, cigarettes don't make people think they can jump off a two story balconey onto pavement and survive ;) --- "Brian M. Cass" <kingmob@nmt.edu> wrote:

quoted 6 lines Not mention lsd doesn't give you canced or become addictive or waste

> Not mention lsd doesn't give you canced or become addictive or waste > your > life like tv. > Not that I'm against cigarettes, its just I wanted to stick up for our > good friend Cid. >

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quoted 1 line By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in

>By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in

full-on suburban dad mode) checked out an hour into the set. This means that we're much smarter than him, right? HAHA....But of course! -----Original Message----- From: R. Lim [mailto:rlim@escape.com] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 2:57 PM To: IDM List Subject: Re: [idm] Autechre at Bowery Ballroom On Sat, 5 May 2001, Kurt Hoffman wrote:

quoted 5 lines nonetheless, if one closed one's eyes, there was plenty going on,

> nonetheless, if one closed one's eyes, there was plenty going on, > more riches than one could keep up with at times. no one does it > quite like them, despite routine allegations to the contrary. would > have been happier closing my eyes in a more comfortable and intimate > space than Bowery Ballroom, but what the hell.

Yeah, this pretty much sums up night one. My biggest complaint with the venue was the sound system. The bass only existed as a diffuse thudding sound that obliterated a lot of the high end detail and made it almost impossible to enjoy with earplugs (think dinosaur stomping on Dixie cups). Between this and being continuously jostled/stepped on/poured beer upon made it sort of difficult to follow the boys once they cut the moorings loose and started to navigate through more oblique territory. The early part of the set did pretty much affirm their reputation as rhythmic virtuosoes & I imagine that the latter part was equally rewarding, especially to those who possess the Boulezesque ability to comprehend the most difficult music in one go. Unfortunately, I did not rank among their number that night. By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in full-on suburban dad mode) checked out an hour into the set. This means that we're much smarter than him, right? -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 3 lines By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in

> By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in > full-on suburban dad mode) checked out an hour into the set. This means > that we're much smarter than him, right?

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I think there were a couple of spots where the crowd got electrified and the music was definitely loud enough. I agree that I would've felt better if I could listen to it in a different context because there was just so much thick layering of sounds happening. This was the first show that I've been to where I didn't recognize a single track that was played. I've heard some of their live recordings before, and although they always seem to be pretty cryptic, there's usually a couple that I can clearly identify. I'm guessing that much of what they played is from Confield (which still isn't out in the states), and it's making me more optimistic after all the complaints on the list. I'm guessing that people who didn't know what to expect from a live Ae show would've been very disappointed. This ain't no place for them to be playing all your favorite classics, so don't expect that. I wonder if tonight's show will have a different feel to it. TekDz9er

quoted 22 lines just back from seeing Autechre at Bowery Ballroom, NYC.

> > just back from seeing Autechre at Bowery Ballroom, NYC. > > Rob Hall, the tedious opener, chased the crowd downstairs for a few > drinks. Then Autechre came out and played some pretty good (and > occasionally great) music, but they never managed to electrify the > crowd, which wound up talking loudly through most of the set (one > could construe that to mean that the music wasn't loud enough, I > suppose). After a couple of things with a surprisingly > straightforward techno underpinning, they settled into their patented > random time-signiture onslaught. there were too many songs of similar > character and intensity -- drum heavy, uptempo. it was easy to glaze > over. The few times the crowd roused to cheers happened at a couple > of points where they finally switched to a slower groove. > > nonetheless, if one closed one's eyes, there was plenty going on, > more riches than one could keep up with at times. no one does it > quite like them, despite routine allegations to the contrary. would > have been happier closing my eyes in a more comfortable and intimate > space than Bowery Ballroom, but what the hell. > > k

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On Sat, 05 May 2001 09:58:37 -0400 Rob Salit <rsalit@nyc.rr.com> writes:

quoted 27 lines I think there were a couple of spots where the crowd got electrified

> I think there were a couple of spots where the crowd got electrified > and the > music was definitely loud enough. I agree that I would've felt > better if I > could listen to it in a different context because there was just so > much > thick layering of sounds happening. This was the first show that > I've been > to where I didn't recognize a single track that was played. I've > heard some > of their live recordings before, and although they always seem to be > pretty > cryptic, there's usually a couple that I can clearly identify. I'm > guessing > that much of what they played is from Confield (which still isn't > out in the > states), and it's making me more optimistic after all the complaints > on the > list. I'm guessing that people who didn't know what to expect from > a live > Ae show would've been very disappointed. This ain't no place for > them to be > playing all your favorite classics, so don't expect that. I wonder > if > tonight's show will have a different feel to it. > > TekDz9er

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quoted 3 lines By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in

>>By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in >full-on suburban dad mode) checked out an hour into the set. This means >that we're much smarter than him, right?

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quoted 3 lines By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in

>>By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in >full-on suburban dad mode) checked out an hour into the set. This means >that we're much smarter than him, right?

It means he wasn't interested in what he was hearing. I personally didn't notice too many people acting overly intelligent- certainly not enough to scare David Byrne away. He's one of the original rock n' roll philosphers. Also, maybe he didn't leave the building, he just wanted to get away from you... I'm just KIDDING! I definitely think music appreciation has to do with "being in the moment". I don't think whether or not Autechre makes sense to you is about intelligence. Like I said before- some people hear it, some people don't- and even whether or not you can hear them in an ordered way, can vary from show to show. The question then might be, does intelligence very from moment to moment? We all definitely have moments of lucidity, versus moments of being confused and overwhelmed. Maybe there can be an argument constructed linking music appreciation to intelligence, but that would seem to be a very elitist and subjective argument. I personally like to call IDM "InsteaD of Music" ;) -----Original Message----- From: Brian flanagan [mailto:studiomoo@madasafish.com] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:36 PM To: IDM List Subject: Re: [idm] Autechre at Bowery Ballroom -----Original Message----- From: activity@activaire <activity@activaire.com> To: IDM List <idm@hyperreal.org> Date: 07 May 2001 23:20 Subject: RE: [idm] Autechre at Bowery Ballroom

quoted 3 lines By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in

>>By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in >full-on suburban dad mode) checked out an hour into the set. This means >that we're much smarter than him, right?

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I definately think a person musical preferences reflects his intelligence in some noticeable degree. NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY: I'm not saying people who "listen" to rap, country, or mtv shite are "stupid" per se, I'm just saying you wouldn't catch Beethoven, or Einstein or Hemmingway or Joyce or Paul Klee doing that. On Mon, 7 May 2001, activity@activaire wrote:

quoted 62 lines By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in

> >>By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in > >full-on suburban dad mode) checked out an hour into the set. This means > >that we're much smarter than him, right? > > It means he wasn't interested in what he was hearing. I personally didn't > notice too many people acting overly intelligent- certainly not enough to > scare David Byrne away. He's one of the original rock n' roll philosphers. > Also, maybe he didn't leave the building, he just wanted to get away from > you... I'm just KIDDING! > > I definitely think music appreciation has to do with "being in the moment". > I don't think whether or not Autechre makes sense to you is about > intelligence. Like I said before- some people hear it, some people don't- > and even whether or not you can hear them in an ordered way, can vary from > show to show. The question then might be, does intelligence very from moment > to moment? We all definitely have moments of lucidity, versus moments of > being confused and overwhelmed. Maybe there can be an argument constructed > linking music appreciation to intelligence, but that would seem to be a very > elitist and subjective argument. > > I personally like to call IDM "InsteaD of Music" ;) > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian flanagan [mailto:studiomoo@madasafish.com] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:36 PM > To: IDM List > Subject: Re: [idm] Autechre at Bowery Ballroom > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: activity@activaire <activity@activaire.com> > To: IDM List <idm@hyperreal.org> > Date: 07 May 2001 23:20 > Subject: RE: [idm] Autechre at Bowery Ballroom > > > >>By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in > >full-on suburban dad mode) checked out an hour into the set. This means > >that we're much smarter than him, right? > > > no, it means that he probably left after seeing way too many people being > "intelligent" > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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The question then might be, does intelligence very from moment

quoted 1 line to moment?

>to moment?

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This question is either sarcasm or the height of irony..."very" should be "vary". The answer must be a resounding yes, then. I suppose intelligence does vary from moment to moment. .Brian -----Original Message----- From: Brian flanagan [mailto:studiomoo@madasafish.com] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:35 PM To: IDM List Subject: Re: [idm] Autechre at Bowery Ballroom The question then might be, does intelligence very from moment

quoted 1 line to moment?

>to moment?

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On Mon, 07 May 2001, "activity@activaire" wrote:

quoted 6 lines By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in

> > >>By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in > >full-on suburban dad mode) checked out an hour into the set. This means > >that we're much smarter than him, right? > > It means he wasn't interested in what he was hearing.

i don't know--maybe he was tired of standing there in the crowd. maybe he had a long day...maybe it was too loud...maybe it smelled of BO :) i know that one of the main things i don't like about going to any show is when there is no seating. i either like to be dancing, or sitting when i'm at a show--just standing there is boring and makes my back hurt after a while. especially if i'm wearing interesting shoes.... rachel (aka dj pie) rachel perkins | content-type: text/smackdown system.out.println("bah"); --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 7 May 2001 rachel@velvetpants.com wrote:

quoted 1 line It means he wasn't interested in what he was hearing.

> > It means he wasn't interested in what he was hearing.

Maybe he just didn't hear any "Africa" in Autechre... so he bailed. Oops, I'm sorry.. I meant "South America". I always get David Byrne and Peter Gabriel confused. ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> ======================================================================= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Mon, 7 May 2001, Brian MacDonald wrote:

quoted 4 lines Maybe he just didn't hear any "Africa" in Autechre... so he bailed.

> Maybe he just didn't hear any "Africa" in Autechre... so he bailed. > > Oops, I'm sorry.. I meant "South America". I always get David Byrne and > Peter Gabriel confused.

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> Yeah, this pretty much sums up night one. My biggest complaint with the

quoted 3 lines venue was the sound system. The bass only existed as a diffuse thudding

> venue was the sound system. The bass only existed as a diffuse thudding > sound that obliterated a lot of the high end detail and made it almost > impossible to enjoy with earplugs (think dinosaur stomping on Dixie cups).

That's interesting considering Bowery Ballroom has one of the best soundsystems of all the venues in NYC. I thought the sound was superb. Maybe there were some funny spots where the sound got too distorted. TekDz9er --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Mon, 7 May 2001, Rob Salit wrote:

quoted 4 lines The bass only existed as a diffuse thudding

> The bass only existed as a diffuse thudding > > sound that obliterated a lot of the high end detail and made it almost > > impossible to enjoy with earplugs (think dinosaur stomping on Dixie cups). >

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quoted 12 lines On Mon, 7 May 2001, Rob Salit wrote:

> On Mon, 7 May 2001, Rob Salit wrote: > >> The bass only existed as a diffuse thudding >>> sound that obliterated a lot of the high end detail and made it almost >>> impossible to enjoy with earplugs (think dinosaur stomping on Dixie cups). >> > > The first time I read this I thought you said: (think Dinosaur Jr. > stomping on the Dixie Chicks) > Man I was impressed, I said to myself "does this guy know his music or > what" >

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On Mon, 7 May 2001, Rob Salit wrote:

quoted 6 lines Yeah, this pretty much sums up night one. My biggest complaint with the

> > Yeah, this pretty much sums up night one. My biggest complaint with the > > venue was the sound system. The bass only existed as a diffuse thudding > > That's interesting considering Bowery Ballroom has one of the best > soundsystems of all the venues in NYC. I thought the sound was superb. > Maybe there were some funny spots where the sound got too distorted.

OK, maybe I should have used the word "acoustics" instead of "sound system." My bad. There's no need to make the Bowery Ballroom sound reasonable- it's probably my least favorite place in New York to see a gig, even worse than the Cooler (who, [un]fortunately, books a lot of interesting acts). Next time.... Twilo? Has anybody been downstairs @ Centro-Fly? Respond off-list if need be. Sigur Ros- lugubrious two hour set (including one lighter-rousting ballad and a couple songs towards the end which were downright mid-tempo), guitar sound lifted wholesale from Slowdive, makes me want to dye my hair black again and put eggwhites in it. Hmmm, I guess my hair's already black, fuck. in the same deep water as you, -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Autechre were very good, but Russell Haswell rules. That recording he has of the journalist getting really excited about "Altern-8 are about to take the stage" is classic. Although he seemed to upset quite a few people I loved his harsh noise/death metal set, but then a mis-spent youth doing acid and listening to Whitehouse records will do that to you. Jeff on 5/9/01 1:56 PM, R. Lim at rlim@escape.com wrote:

quoted 31 lines On Mon, 7 May 2001, Rob Salit wrote:

> On Mon, 7 May 2001, Rob Salit wrote: > >>> Yeah, this pretty much sums up night one. My biggest complaint with the >>> venue was the sound system. The bass only existed as a diffuse thudding >> >> That's interesting considering Bowery Ballroom has one of the best >> soundsystems of all the venues in NYC. I thought the sound was superb. >> Maybe there were some funny spots where the sound got too distorted. > > OK, maybe I should have used the word "acoustics" instead of "sound > system." My bad. There's no need to make the Bowery Ballroom sound > reasonable- it's probably my least favorite place in New York to see a > gig, even worse than the Cooler (who, [un]fortunately, books a lot of > interesting acts). Next time.... Twilo? Has anybody been downstairs @ > Centro-Fly? Respond off-list if need be. > > Sigur Ros- lugubrious two hour set (including one lighter-rousting ballad > and a couple songs towards the end which were downright mid-tempo), guitar > sound lifted wholesale from Slowdive, makes me want to dye my hair black > again and put eggwhites in it. Hmmm, I guess my hair's already black, > fuck. > > in the same deep water as you, > > -rob > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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At 16:37 09/05/01, Jeff/Ninja Tune wrote:

quoted 5 lines Autechre were very good, but Russell Haswell rules. That recording he has of

>Autechre were very good, but Russell Haswell rules. That recording he has of >the journalist getting really excited about "Altern-8 are about to take the >stage" is classic. Although he seemed to upset quite a few people I loved >his harsh noise/death metal set, but then a mis-spent youth doing acid and >listening to Whitehouse records will do that to you.

That was Russell Haswell? I thought that was Rob Hall doing the inscrutable noise/death metal set and Russell, the Warp / Gary Numan / electro / Kraftwerk / EBM / M3rck / Chocolate tribute. I've never seen either of them live before and I'm not familiar with their work, so I can't be sure. But in any event, I really liked the first set. I thought Autechre was uninspiringly blah. But the sound did suck for their set. Julian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 09/05/01 16:24, Julian So said in living color:

quoted 10 lines At 16:37 09/05/01, Jeff/Ninja Tune wrote:

> At 16:37 09/05/01, Jeff/Ninja Tune wrote: >> Autechre were very good, but Russell Haswell rules. That recording he has of >> the journalist getting really excited about "Altern-8 are about to take the >> stage" is classic. Although he seemed to upset quite a few people I loved >> his harsh noise/death metal set, but then a mis-spent youth doing acid and >> listening to Whitehouse records will do that to you. > > That was Russell Haswell? I thought that was Rob Hall doing the inscrutable > noise/death metal set and Russell, the Warp / Gary Numan / electro / > Kraftwerk / EBM / M3rck / Chocolate tribute.

Nope, the inverse of that. One funny thing is that when Rob Hall's set finished and Russell Haswell came back to do the "second part" of his set (beginning by playing a Farmers Manual track from "fsck", IIRC), lots of people thought it was Autechre playing... :) Personally, I didn't like Russell Haswell's set that much... A couple of interesting passages and some funny moments, but overall, I didn't find it very compelling. (One of) the problem(s), for me, was that he never truly developed the sound objects he was playing with. "Hmm... I have these cool sounds... Geez, what could I do with that? Hmm..., let's switch to another snippet."

quoted 5 lines I've never seen either of them live before and I'm not familiar with their

> I've never seen either of them live before and I'm not familiar with their > work, so I can't be sure. But in any event, I really liked the first set. > > I thought Autechre was uninspiringly blah. But the sound did suck for their > set.

Again, a disagreement. I thought Autechre were really good. A different framework than their recorded output, but still fascinating stuff. I think that Autechre is the only entity in electronic music (in the "popular" field) to approach what could be called "spirituality" in their work. They're visionaries, they're truly connected to their, hum, let's call it "primal energies"... and it really shows in their music. I'd say that the relatively limited sound palette used for percussion (in comparison to what they use in their [recent] recorded tracks) throughout the show is the only thing that actually bothered me. One thing that surprised me was how they were providing very clear "guides" that delimited the "path" they were taking, so people could easily follow the flow of the music. And if you were able to follow what went on *inside* those guides, there were great treasures to reward the listener for his participation. Anyway, this listener. g. -- Guillaume Grenier - gollum@videotron.ca in space there is no north in space there is no south in space there is no east in space there is no west --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

got an extra ticket for the friday night show. dont know if its sold out, but 20 and a beer gets it. cl clietz@enteract.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Mon, 7 May 2001 19:03:36 -0700 "activity@activaire" <activity@activaire.com> writes:

quoted 13 lines By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in

> >>By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in > >full-on suburban dad mode) checked out an hour into the set. This > means > >that we're much smarter than him, right? > > It means he wasn't interested in what he was hearing. I personally > didn't > notice too many people acting overly intelligent- certainly not > enough to > scare David Byrne away. He's one of the original rock n' roll > philosphers. > Also, maybe he didn't leave the building, he just wanted to get away > from

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"You may find yourself, in a beautiful home, with a beautiful wife, and say 'well, how did I get here?'" or maybe.... "You may find yourself, at the Bowery Ballroom Bar, looking like a gray old surburban dad, listening to some english blokes crank out crazy weird ass shit on titanium laptops, and say 'well, how the fuck do I get out of here?'" Seriously though- David Byrne looks good as himself, there's nothing wrong with being a gray old dad- and he comes by it honestly. And, I think he was there to chat it up with Yasuono Tone and Russel Haswell, which is THE craziest noisiest shit anyone has heard in a long time. -----Original Message----- From: tweibrecht@juno.com [mailto:tweibrecht@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 6:31 AM To: activity@activaire.com Cc: studiomoo@madasafish.com; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Autechre at Bowery Ballroom On Mon, 7 May 2001 19:03:36 -0700 "activity@activaire" <activity@activaire.com> writes:

quoted 13 lines By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in

> >>By the way, I couldn't help but notice that David Byrne (dressed in > >full-on suburban dad mode) checked out an hour into the set. This > means > >that we're much smarter than him, right? > > It means he wasn't interested in what he was hearing. I personally > didn't > notice too many people acting overly intelligent- certainly not > enough to > scare David Byrne away. He's one of the original rock n' roll > philosphers. > Also, maybe he didn't leave the building, he just wanted to get away > from

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On Mon, 07 May 2001 21:05:14 -0400 Rob Salit <rsalit@nyc.rr.com> writes:

quoted 12 lines Yeah, this pretty much sums up night one. My biggest complaint

> > Yeah, this pretty much sums up night one. My biggest complaint > with the > > venue was the sound system. The bass only existed as a diffuse > thudding > > sound that obliterated a lot of the high end detail and made it > almost > > impossible to enjoy with earplugs (think dinosaur stomping on > Dixie cups). > > That's interesting considering Bowery Ballroom has one of the best > soundsystems of all the venues in NYC. I thought the sound was > superb.

absolutely.... tom w ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

"Brian M. Cass" wrote:

quoted 5 lines I definately think a person musical preferences reflects his intelligence

> I definately think a person musical preferences reflects his intelligence > in some noticeable degree. NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY: I'm not saying people > who "listen" to rap, country, or mtv shite are "stupid" per se, I'm just > saying you wouldn't catch Beethoven, or Einstein or Hemmingway or Joyce or > Paul Klee doing that.

I think intelligent people try to be as informed/knowledgeable as possible and try to find something of worth in everything. And your argument might not work as well as you think if your list included some contemporary intellectuals who actually had a chance to appraise the intellectual worth of rap, MTV shite or country. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

No matter what kind of music he was listening to, I bet Hemingway would be smart enough to spell his name with 1 'm'. Unless he listened to swing music, those people are just plain stupid. God I feel superior, thank you idm. rw ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian M. Cass" <kingmob@nmt.edu>

quoted 5 lines I definately think a person musical preferences reflects his intelligence

> I definately think a person musical preferences reflects his intelligence > in some noticeable degree. NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY: I'm not saying people > who "listen" to rap, country, or mtv shite are "stupid" per se, I'm just > saying you wouldn't catch Beethoven, or Einstein or Hemmingway or Joyce or > Paul Klee doing that.

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this is the worst thing to happen to me all day I've read all of HeMingway's stuff, but still to this day I'll mispell his name, but its not usually pointed out I bet if this were a rap, country or mtv shite list no one would have pointed out my mistake Confield still getting better and better ehhh, and will they be spilling drinks at the El Rey? I don't wanna get my only ae shirt ruined with beer, vodka I wouldn't mind, but not beer On Tue, 8 May 2001, rw wrote:

quoted 23 lines No matter what kind of music he was listening to, I bet Hemingway would be

> No matter what kind of music he was listening to, I bet Hemingway would be > smart enough to spell his name with 1 'm'. Unless he listened to swing > music, those people are just plain stupid. God I feel superior, thank you > idm. > > rw > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian M. Cass" <kingmob@nmt.edu> > > > > I definately think a person musical preferences reflects his intelligence > > in some noticeable degree. NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY: I'm not saying people > > who "listen" to rap, country, or mtv shite are "stupid" per se, I'm just > > saying you wouldn't catch Beethoven, or Einstein or Hemmingway or Joyce or > > Paul Klee doing that. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On Mon, 07 May 2001, Brian MacDonald wrote:

quoted 4 lines On 7 May 2001 rachel@velvetpants.com wrote:

> > > On 7 May 2001 rachel@velvetpants.com wrote: > > > It means he wasn't interested in what he was hearing.

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: <andrei@world.std.com> An: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org> Gesendet: 08 May 2001 16:10 Betreff: Re: [idm] Autechre at Bowery Ballroom

quoted 3 lines "Brian M. Cass" wrote:

> "Brian M. Cass" wrote: > > > I definately think a person musical preferences reflects his

intelligence

quoted 3 lines in some noticeable degree. NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY: I'm not saying people

> > in some noticeable degree. NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY: I'm not saying people > > who "listen" to rap, country, or mtv shite are "stupid" per se, I'm just > > saying you wouldn't catch Beethoven, or Einstein or Hemmingway or Joyce

or

quoted 3 lines Paul Klee doing that.

> > Paul Klee doing that. > >

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On 08/05/01 12:50, Roman Sturm Aon said in living color:

quoted 3 lines Björk said, while working on him on DitD, Lars von Trier is listening to

> Björk said, while working on him on DitD, Lars von Trier is listening to > Roxette and that stuff.... > And this man is a genius...maybe.. :)

Aargghh! If that is actually true, I'll be forced to completely reevaluate my opinion of Mr. von Trier... g. -- Guillaume Grenier - gollum@videotron.ca in space there is no north in space there is no south in space there is no east in space there is no west --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I don't think anyones level of intellegence is determinable by the kind of music they listen to. Some of the smartest people I know listen to pretty shitty music to begin. On the flip side of that, I know some dumb ass people who listen to some pretty intellegent music. Music can be a simple or complicated thing and depending on why you listen to it determines what you will like. I like groups like FSOL, for the atmoshphere their music creates, I like Aphex Twin for the creative "fun" he brings to music. I like autechre for the textural design of their music. I also like Korn, even though there is nothing intellectual about their music at all. There is an emotional outlet in their sound that I can appreciate. I also like Busta Rhymes because he makes rap less gang related. He brings a lot of humor into, and he is really good at what he does. Of course, there is Run DMC, how could you not like Run DMC? Anyway, I can't say that I like country, but I love Johnny Cash, he is my punk idol for doing whatever the hell he wanted cause that was what he wanted, not to be a punk, but just because that is what he wanted. Anyway, I will stop right here cause I could go on and on, and I know some people on this list don't like the things others have to say anyway. on 5/8/01 9:50 AM, Roman Sturm Aon at newtype@aon.at wrote:

quoted 22 lines -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: <andrei@world.std.com> > An: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org> > Gesendet: 08 May 2001 16:10 > Betreff: Re: [idm] Autechre at Bowery Ballroom > > >> "Brian M. Cass" wrote: >> >>> I definately think a person musical preferences reflects his > intelligence >>> in some noticeable degree. NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY: I'm not saying people >>> who "listen" to rap, country, or mtv shite are "stupid" per se, I'm just >>> saying you wouldn't catch Beethoven, or Einstein or Hemmingway or Joyce > or >>> Paul Klee doing that. >> >> > Björk said, while working on him on DitD, Lars von Trier is listening to > Roxette and that stuff.... > And this man is a genius...maybe.. :)

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just some more dream crushing fodder for the masses. i just heard ?'s "clipper"(one of my faves no less) in a beetle comercial. 10 idm points for who can name the album first and 20 for who gets pissed the most about them "selling out". p.s. i know the album, i'm just quizzing you :) ===== ???????ߣr??m?????? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Tri Repetae. Duh. =) --- ???????ߣr??m?????? <junklaundry@yahoo.com> wrote:

quoted 24 lines just some more dream crushing fodder for the masses.

> just some more dream crushing fodder for the masses. > > i just heard ?'s "clipper"(one of my faves no > less) > in a beetle comercial. > > 10 idm points for who can name the album first > and 20 for who gets pissed the most about them > "selling out". > > p.s. i know the album, i'm just quizzing you :) > > > > ===== > ???????ߣr??m?????? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >

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Anyway, I will stop right here cause I

quoted 2 lines could go on and on, and I know some people on this list don't like the

>could go on and on, and I know some people on this list don't like the >things others have to say anyway.

I liked everything you had to say up until the korn part. After that I couldn't take you seriously anymore.

quoted 33 lines on 5/8/01 9:50 AM, Roman Sturm Aon at newtype@aon.at wrote:

> >on 5/8/01 9:50 AM, Roman Sturm Aon at newtype@aon.at wrote: > >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: <andrei@world.std.com> >> An: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org> >> Gesendet: 08 May 2001 16:10 >> Betreff: Re: [idm] Autechre at Bowery Ballroom >> >> >>> "Brian M. Cass" wrote: >>> >>>> I definately think a person musical preferences reflects his >> intelligence >>>> in some noticeable degree. NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY: I'm not saying people >>>> who "listen" to rap, country, or mtv shite are "stupid" per se, I'm just >>>> saying you wouldn't catch Beethoven, or Einstein or Hemmingway or Joyce >> or >>>> Paul Klee doing that. >>> >>> >> Björk said, while working on him on DitD, Lars von Trier is listening to >> Roxette and that stuff.... >> And this man is a genius...maybe.. :) > > >Peter "Pachinko" Ý > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

quoted 3 lines - http://www

>- http://www.mp3.com/pachinko - > > Emile L'Eplattenier | p: 631-261-6030 | egl204@is9.nyu.edu | emilel@nerve.com

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haha, ditto, (in regards the korn) On Wed, 9 May 2001, Emile L'Eplattenier wrote:

quoted 58 lines Anyway, I will stop right here cause I

> Anyway, I will stop right here cause I > >could go on and on, and I know some people on this list don't like the > >things others have to say anyway. > > I liked everything you had to say up until the korn part. After that I couldn't take you seriously anymore. > > > > > > >on 5/8/01 9:50 AM, Roman Sturm Aon at newtype@aon.at wrote: > > > >> > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > >> Von: <andrei@world.std.com> > >> An: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org> > >> Gesendet: 08 May 2001 16:10 > >> Betreff: Re: [idm] Autechre at Bowery Ballroom > >> > >> > >>> "Brian M. Cass" wrote: > >>> > >>>> I definately think a person musical preferences reflects his > >> intelligence > >>>> in some noticeable degree. NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY: I'm not saying people > >>>> who "listen" to rap, country, or mtv shite are "stupid" per se, I'm just > >>>> saying you wouldn't catch Beethoven, or Einstein or Hemmingway or Joyce > >> or > >>>> Paul Klee doing that. > >>> > >>> > >> Bj?rk said, while working on him on DitD, Lars von Trier is listening to > >> Roxette and that stuff.... > >> And this man is a genius...maybe.. :) > > > > > >Peter "Pachinko" ? > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > >- http://www.mp3.com/pachinko - > > > > Emile L'Eplattenier | p: 631-261-6030 | egl204@is9.nyu.edu | emilel@nerve.com > > "Style is the fringe benefit of intention."-Julian Schnabel > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On Wed, 9 May 2001 14:56:32 -0400 (EDT) "R. Lim" <rlim@escape.com> writes:

quoted 2 lines On Mon, 7 May 2001, Rob Salit wrote:

> On Mon, 7 May 2001, Rob Salit wrote: >

Next time.... Twilo? doubtful...i was shut down monday...good riddance tom w np: voyages in dub ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org