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Something that really bugs me is that when someone uses say a certain type of synthesis like granular, or maybe chops up a sample into pieces, well then "they must be copying Autechre!" or bullshit like that. You mean to tell me that because one person uses a certain type of synthesis or makes something complex, that means that they're copying Autechre? That's completely stupid that people would think that. I can understand though in sometimes a lot of cases, it actually sounds like someone is directly copying them (style of sounds, or melody, etc) but Autechre are not any different than any of us. We're all human. Anyone experimenting with a computer or a modular synth is going to come up with some cool sounds eventually. I think part of the reason people think that Autechre are the future of "IDM" is cause for the most part* nothing better ever comes out. (I think we can all relate to this, although there is some really cool stuff out lately *(Lexaunculpt, Richard Devine) that's really wicked. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines From: Lucas <atari808@hotmail.com>

>From: Lucas <atari808@hotmail.com> >Something that really bugs me is that when someone uses say a certain type >of synthesis like granular, or maybe chops up a sample into pieces, well >then "they must be copying Autechre!" or bullshit like that. You mean to >tell me that because one person uses a certain type of synthesis or makes >something complex, that means that they're copying Autechre?

I DON'T think just because someone uses a certain effect (or chopping something to pieces), that they are copying Autechre. Maybe if they do Autechre type everything ...well then hell yeah they are jumping on Autechre's sound. I had a friend that was talking about all these Black Sabbath rip off bands. And I was like what NO WAY man, NO ONE has copied their style, it's just a coincidence. Just because a bands guitars are tuned in the same way and the riffs & chrods are in the same manner...does not mean they are trying to sound like Black Sabbath at all.

quoted 1 line That's completely stupid that people would think that.

>That's completely stupid that people would think that.

Why? Some artists have a distinct style (before all the copycats jumped in)? If I hear a tune and it sounds totally like something Autechre would do, what would I call that? Autechre-esque, carbon copy, ?

quoted 3 lines I can understand though in sometimes a lot of cases, it actually >sounds

>I can understand though in sometimes a lot of cases, it actually >sounds >like someone is directly copying them (style of sounds, or >melody, etc) >but Autechre are not any different than any of us.

Well I would suppose Autechre are different in that they had a unique sound for a while.

quoted 1 line We're all human.

>We're all human.

And humans like apes have been known to mimic things. Just cause we have the same basic internal design doesn't mean we are all the same. There are innovators and then there are a TON of followers. Obviously, we all take in some of the same influences musically. That's very cool, but instead of doing it in the exact same style as someone else, try bringing something else out.

quoted 2 lines Anyone experimenting with a computer or a modular synth is going to >come

>Anyone experimenting with a computer or a modular synth is going to >come >up with some cool sounds eventually.

Or any other instrument

quoted 2 lines I think part of the reason people think that Autechre are the future >of

>I think part of the reason people think that Autechre are the future >of >"IDM" is cause for the most part* nothing better ever comes out.

I don't know how they are going to be the future if they have always been around. Their releases are consistently exceptional,

quoted 3 lines (I think we can all relate to this, although there is some

>(I think we can all relate to this, although there is some >really cool stuff out lately *(Lexaunculpt, Richard Devine) that's >really >wicked.

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Lucas wrote:

quoted 1 line Autechre are not any different than any of us.

> Autechre are not any different than any of us.

Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than most of us.

quoted 2 lines Anyone experimenting with a computer or a modular synth is going to come up with

> Anyone experimenting with a computer or a modular synth is going to come up with > some cool sounds eventually.

Sure anyone can come up with some OK sounds with the right plugins or what have you, but knowing how to assemble those sounds into an intriguing piece of music is the hard part. And that's what Autechre excels at (most of the time).

quoted 4 lines I think part of the reason people think that Autechre are the future of "IDM" is

> I think part of the reason people think that Autechre are the future of "IDM" is > cause for the most part* nothing better ever comes out. (I think we can all relate > to this, although there is some > really cool stuff out lately *(Lexaunculpt, Richard Devine) that's really wicked.

Come on, Lexaunculpt is good, but that's like comparing David S. Ware to Coltrane (or Enrique to Julio). :-) Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines Autechre are not any different than any of us.

> > Autechre are not any different than any of us. > >Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than most of us.

well, they're a lot better at making Autechre music than most of us :)

quoted 9 lines Anyone experimenting with a computer or a modular synth is going to

> > Anyone experimenting with a computer or a modular synth is going to > come up with > > some cool sounds eventually. > >Sure anyone can come up with some OK sounds with the right plugins or what >have you, >but knowing how to assemble those sounds into an intriguing piece of music >is the >hard part. And that's what Autechre excels at (most of the time).

true. one of the interesting parts of making music is the music-maker's tastes coming out in the music. whenever i hear some really crappy general-midi dance-track, i always wonder "did the person making this actually think it was good?" it's sort of an odd situation, really, but some people hear autechre and just hear a jumble of noise.

quoted 11 lines I think part of the reason people think that Autechre are the future of

> > I think part of the reason people think that Autechre are the future of > "IDM" is > > cause for the most part* nothing better ever comes out. (I think we can > all relate > > to this, although there is some > > really cool stuff out lately *(Lexaunculpt, Richard Devine) that's > really wicked. > >Come on, Lexaunculpt is good, but that's like comparing David S. Ware to >Coltrane (or >Enrique to Julio). :-)

speaking of autechre comparisons, i think the funkstorung comparisons have died down, mainly with that new album (that didn't seem to get the best reviews...). it's good that they've developed into more of their own sound, but it's too bad more people liked them when they sounded like autechre... hmm... cheers, \derek ----------- "Extremism is no vice when God's on your side" -Opus the Penguin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 andrei@world.std.com wrote:

quoted 5 lines Lucas wrote:

> Lucas wrote: > > > Autechre are not any different than any of us. > > Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than most of us.

With all due respect to the Ae boyz, I take issue with any type of statement like "X is a lot more talented than most of us."... I sincerely believe that for every truly talented artist that is well known, there are 99 equally "talented" artists that are completely unknown -- or perhaps don't even realize how talented they are -- or just exist in the wrong place or wrong time. I won't deny that Autechre push the limit, but I think even they would cringe at the thought they are *the* pinnacle of talent in a particular musical field.. Luck/chaos/right time right place/etc. has at least partially to do with why they are popular. Luck/chaos/right time right place has a lot to do with why any high profile artists are popular.

quoted 2 lines Come on, Lexaunculpt is good, but that's like comparing David S. Ware to Coltrane (or

> Come on, Lexaunculpt is good, but that's like comparing David S. Ware to Coltrane (or > Enrique to Julio). :-)

For the record, I enjoy Lexaunculpt (and a slew of other "Autechre rip offs") more than Autechre. It's not that I think Lex and the gang are "better" than Ae, or vice versa. But I find Lex's stuff more enjoyable than Autechre's... though I appreciate the influence Ae's had on lots of folks.

quoted 1 line Andrei

> Andrei

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On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Brian MacDonald wrote:

quoted 6 lines Autechre are not any different than any of us.

> > > Autechre are not any different than any of us. > > > > Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than most of us. > > With all due respect to the Ae boyz, I take issue with any type of > statement like "X is a lot more talented than most of us."...

Can most of us make music as good as Autechre's ?

quoted 2 lines Luck/chaos/right time right place/etc. has at least

> Luck/chaos/right time right place/etc. has at least > partially to do with why they are popular.

Well, I guess if Ae weren't at the right place at the right time lots of pale, white boys badly in need of a shower would have to look elsewhere for inspiration.

quoted 2 lines For the record, I enjoy Lexaunculpt (and a slew of other "Autechre rip

> For the record, I enjoy Lexaunculpt (and a slew of other "Autechre rip > offs") more than Autechre.

That's YOUR problem. ;-) Yeah, and I enjoy Brandford Marsalis more than Coltrane 'cuz he got rid of all that "difficult" stuff. ;-)

quoted 1 line But I find Lex's stuff more enjoyable than Autechre's...

> But I find Lex's stuff more enjoyable than Autechre's...

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On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Drusca wrote:

quoted 4 lines With all due respect to the Ae boyz, I take issue with any type of

> > With all due respect to the Ae boyz, I take issue with any type of > > statement like "X is a lot more talented than most of us."... > > Can most of us make music as good as Autechre's ?

Well, Most, in the grandest definition of the term, probably think Autechre is a bunch of noise. "My *blender* can make better music than *that*! HAW HAW HAW!". So, um, strictly in the minds of most -- yeah.

quoted 6 lines Luck/chaos/right time right place/etc. has at least

> > Luck/chaos/right time right place/etc. has at least > > partially to do with why they are popular. > > Well, I guess if Ae weren't at the right place at the right time lots of > pale, white boys badly in need of a shower would have to look elsewhere > for inspiration.

Um..... yeah! Pretty much.

quoted 7 lines For the record, I enjoy Lexaunculpt (and a slew of other "Autechre rip

> > For the record, I enjoy Lexaunculpt (and a slew of other "Autechre rip > > offs") more than Autechre. > > That's YOUR problem. ;-) > > Yeah, and I enjoy Brandford Marsalis more than Coltrane 'cuz he got rid of > all that "difficult" stuff. ;-)

Type all the cute smiley winkies ya want... It's not the "difficult" thing that keeps me from worshipping the Ae altar. Actually, I don't think Autechre, Lex, or anything mostly talked about on this list is particular "difficult" to listen to. ;-D ( <--- there, an open-mouthed smiley winkey.. I one-upped ya!)

quoted 3 lines But I find Lex's stuff more enjoyable than Autechre's...

> > But I find Lex's stuff more enjoyable than Autechre's... > > enjoyable = ?

Stuff I enjoy. np: Paris "The Devil Made Me Do It" ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> KUCI 88.9 fM in Irvine, CA -- Orange County "Zee Robot attacked zee computer -- in zee outer space...!" ======================================================================= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines Yeah, and I enjoy Brandford Marsalis more than Coltrane 'cuz he got rid of

> Yeah, and I enjoy Brandford Marsalis more than Coltrane 'cuz he got rid of > all that "difficult" stuff. ;-)

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speaking of autechrelike artists I have to repeat myself repeat myself. If you make music with softwares, granulars, modulars, bits, pieces, it´s very often compared to autechre because autechre is one of the most known band in the genre. this is a problem that a lot of artists has to live with because people will always compare that kind of music with ae. actually there will probably be this kind of talking if you just make music. sometimes people tell me that the things i make reminds them of the works of schematic, i´ve never heard anything from them. and fatcat records thought that one of my songs sounded like the "ausen vor ep"....what ep? havn´t heard that either...it´s hard to make music that hasn´t been done yet... but the thing that pisses me of is this fucking idiots that is trying to come up with the same kind of songtitles and making homepages, and recordcovers that is totally ripped of from autechre...it seems they try to be autechre...and these artists often gets pissed if you compare them to autechre...but they have themselves to blame....strange huh? and about me saying that all "idm" artists sounds like ae, this was just to see peoples reactions, but i did get a few tips of what to look for, for example i´ve never heard atom heart...i have the other albums from Uwe, since i´ve been a big fan of him since 1992 or something... ____________________________ Andréas -----Original Message----- From: EggyToast [mailto:youn0394@umn.edu] Sent: den 8 september 2000 07:28 To: andrei@world.std.com; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm"

quoted 3 lines Autechre are not any different than any of us.

> > Autechre are not any different than any of us. > >Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than most of us.

well, they're a lot better at making Autechre music than most of us :)

quoted 9 lines Anyone experimenting with a computer or a modular synth is going to

> > Anyone experimenting with a computer or a modular synth is going to > come up with > > some cool sounds eventually. > >Sure anyone can come up with some OK sounds with the right plugins or what >have you, >but knowing how to assemble those sounds into an intriguing piece of music >is the >hard part. And that's what Autechre excels at (most of the time).

true. one of the interesting parts of making music is the music-maker's tastes coming out in the music. whenever i hear some really crappy general-midi dance-track, i always wonder "did the person making this actually think it was good?" it's sort of an odd situation, really, but some people hear autechre and just hear a jumble of noise.

quoted 11 lines I think part of the reason people think that Autechre are the future of

> > I think part of the reason people think that Autechre are the future of > "IDM" is > > cause for the most part* nothing better ever comes out. (I think we can > all relate > > to this, although there is some > > really cool stuff out lately *(Lexaunculpt, Richard Devine) that's > really wicked. > >Come on, Lexaunculpt is good, but that's like comparing David S. Ware to >Coltrane (or >Enrique to Julio). :-)

speaking of autechre comparisons, i think the funkstorung comparisons have died down, mainly with that new album (that didn't seem to get the best reviews...). it's good that they've developed into more of their own sound, but it's too bad more people liked them when they sounded like autechre... hmm... cheers, \derek ----------- "Extremism is no vice when God's on your side" -Opus the Penguin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines Autechre are not any different than any of us.

> > Autechre are not any different than any of us. > > Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than most of us.

Fizzarum are more talented than Autechre:) IMO Fizzarum create the most beautiful music i ever heard. LX E-mail: funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk Web: http://bounce.to/rockin_pony http://www.mp3.com/rockinpony http://www.tarmedia.com/vent.htm ICQ: 11851178 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 11:01:46AM +0100, alexander rozet wrote:

quoted 2 lines Fizzarum are more talented than Autechre:) IMO Fizzarum create the most

> Fizzarum are more talented than Autechre:) IMO Fizzarum create the most > beautiful music i ever heard.

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I'll go with that! Fizzarum are great! How come they're not signed yet?! --- alexander rozet <funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk> wrote: > > > Autechre are not any different than any of us.

quoted 23 lines Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than

> > > > Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than > most of us. > > > Fizzarum are more talented than Autechre:) IMO > Fizzarum create the most > beautiful music i ever heard. > > > > LX > > > E-mail: funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk > Web: http://bounce.to/rockin_pony > http://www.mp3.com/rockinpony > http://www.tarmedia.com/vent.htm > ICQ: 11851178 > > > >

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I've had some correspondence with Dmirti from Fizzarum and he confirmed that they're working at their first full length now... Let's wait. Alien np. Jay-Jay Johanson "Poison" -----Original Message----- From: Ben Hatchelt [mailto:hatchelt@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 2:05 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm" I'll go with that! Fizzarum are great! How come they're not signed yet?! --- alexander rozet <funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk> wrote: > > > Autechre are not any different than any of us.

quoted 23 lines Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than

> > > > Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than > most of us. > > > Fizzarum are more talented than Autechre:) IMO > Fizzarum create the most > beautiful music i ever heard. > > > > LX > > > E-mail: funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk > Web: http://bounce.to/rockin_pony > http://www.mp3.com/rockinpony > http://www.tarmedia.com/vent.htm > ICQ: 11851178 > > > >

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aren´t they signed to cco? ____________________________ From: Ben Hatchelt [mailto:hatchelt@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: den 8 september 2000 12:05 To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm" I'll go with that! Fizzarum are great! How come they're not signed yet?! --- alexander rozet <funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk> wrote: > > > Autechre are not any different than any of us.

quoted 23 lines Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than

> > > > Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than > most of us. > > > Fizzarum are more talented than Autechre:) IMO > Fizzarum create the most > beautiful music i ever heard. > > > > LX > > > E-mail: funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk > Web: http://bounce.to/rockin_pony > http://www.mp3.com/rockinpony > http://www.tarmedia.com/vent.htm > ICQ: 11851178 > > > >

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not according to their mp3 site --- Andreas Tilliander <andreas.tilliander@deo.com> wrote: > aren´t they signed to cco?

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> > > ____________________________ > From: Ben Hatchelt [mailto:hatchelt@yahoo.co.uk] > Sent: den 8 september 2000 12:05 > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm" > > > I'll go with that! Fizzarum are great! How come > they're not signed yet?! > > --- alexander rozet <funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk> > wrote: > > > Autechre are not any different than any > of us. > > > > > > Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than > > most of us. > > > > > > Fizzarum are more talented than Autechre:) IMO > > Fizzarum create the most > > beautiful music i ever heard. > > > > > > > > LX > > > > > > E-mail: funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk > > Web: http://bounce.to/rockin_pony > > http://www.mp3.com/rockinpony > > http://www.tarmedia.com/vent.htm > > ICQ: 11851178 > > > > > > > > >

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no. they just released their first 7" on CCO. LX E-mail: funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk Web: http://bounce.to/rockin_pony http://www.mp3.com/rockinpony http://www.tarmedia.com/vent.htm ICQ: 11851178 ----- Èñõîäíîå ñîîáùåíèå ----- Îò: Andreas Tilliander <andreas.tilliander@deo.com> Êîìó: <idm@hyperreal.org> Îòïðàâëåíî: 08 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2000 11:23 Òåìà: RE: [idm] the future of "idm" aren´t they signed to cco? ____________________________ From: Ben Hatchelt [mailto:hatchelt@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: den 8 september 2000 12:05 To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm" I'll go with that! Fizzarum are great! How come they're not signed yet?! --- alexander rozet <funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk> wrote: > > > Autechre are not any different than any of us.

quoted 23 lines Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than

> > > > Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than > most of us. > > > Fizzarum are more talented than Autechre:) IMO > Fizzarum create the most > beautiful music i ever heard. > > > > LX > > > E-mail: funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk > Web: http://bounce.to/rockin_pony > http://www.mp3.com/rockinpony > http://www.tarmedia.com/vent.htm > ICQ: 11851178 > > > >

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they have finished already:) LX E-mail: funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk Web: http://bounce.to/rockin_pony http://www.mp3.com/rockinpony http://www.tarmedia.com/vent.htm ICQ: 11851178 ----- Èñõîäíîå ñîîáùåíèå ----- Îò: Konstantin Minko <ibss@ukrpack.net> Êîìó: <idm@hyperreal.org>; Ben Hatchelt <hatchelt@yahoo.co.uk> Îòïðàâëåíî: 08 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2000 10:26 Òåìà: RE: [idm] the future of "idm"

quoted 1 line I've had some correspondence with Dmirti from Fizzarum and he confirmed

> I've had some correspondence with Dmirti from Fizzarum and he confirmed

that

quoted 68 lines they're working at their first full length now... Let's wait.

> they're working at their first full length now... Let's wait. > > Alien > > np. Jay-Jay Johanson "Poison" > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Hatchelt [mailto:hatchelt@yahoo.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 2:05 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm" > > > I'll go with that! Fizzarum are great! How come > they're not signed yet?! > > --- alexander rozet <funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk> > wrote: > > > Autechre are not any different than any > of us. > > > > > > Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than > > most of us. > > > > > > Fizzarum are more talented than Autechre:) IMO > > Fizzarum create the most > > beautiful music i ever heard. > > > > > > > > LX > > > > > > E-mail: funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk > > Web: http://bounce.to/rockin_pony > > http://www.mp3.com/rockinpony > > http://www.tarmedia.com/vent.htm > > ICQ: 11851178 > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

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Was that the ol' clear 7"? I was so chuffed when I got my hands on that!...all i need now is something to play it on! --- alexander rozet <funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk> wrote: > no. they just released their first 7" on CCO.

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> > > LX > > > > E-mail: funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk > Web: http://bounce.to/rockin_pony > http://www.mp3.com/rockinpony > http://www.tarmedia.com/vent.htm > ICQ: 11851178 > > > > > ----- Èñõîäíîå ñîîáùåíèå ----- > Îò: Andreas Tilliander <andreas.tilliander@deo.com> > Êîìó: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Îòïðàâëåíî: 08 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2000 11:23 > Òåìà: RE: [idm] the future of "idm" > > > aren´t they signed to cco? > > > ____________________________ > From: Ben Hatchelt [mailto:hatchelt@yahoo.co.uk] > Sent: den 8 september 2000 12:05 > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm" > > > I'll go with that! Fizzarum are great! How come > they're not signed yet?! > > --- alexander rozet <funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk> > wrote: > > > Autechre are not any different than any > of us. > > > > > > Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than > > most of us. > > > > > > Fizzarum are more talented than Autechre:) IMO > > Fizzarum create the most > > beautiful music i ever heard. > > > > > > > > LX > > > > > > E-mail: funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk > > Web: http://bounce.to/rockin_pony > > http://www.mp3.com/rockinpony > > http://www.tarmedia.com/vent.htm > > ICQ: 11851178 > > > > > > > > >

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yes, there is the track VESAT on Squadron compilation from MERCK recs. http://www.m3rck.net/squadron/ LX E-mail: funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk Web: http://bounce.to/rockin_pony http://www.mp3.com/rockinpony http://www.tarmedia.com/vent.htm ICQ: 11851178 ----- Èñõîäíîå ñîîáùåíèå ----- Îò: Ben Hatchelt <hatchelt@yahoo.co.uk> Êîìó: alexander rozet <funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk> Îòïðàâëåíî: 08 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2000 12:27 Òåìà: Re: [idm] the future of "idm"

quoted 182 lines ok, so i've got that, and there mp3.com cd, anything

> ok, so i've got that, and there mp3.com cd, anything > else I can get my hands on?! > > --- alexander rozet <funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk> > wrote: > exactly :) those 2 tracks are wonderful. > > > > > > > > LX > > > > > > > > E-mail: funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk > > Web: http://bounce.to/rockin_pony > > http://www.mp3.com/rockinpony > > http://www.tarmedia.com/vent.htm > > ICQ: 11851178 > > > > > > > > ----- Èñõîäíîå ñîîáùåíèå ----- > > Îò: Ben Hatchelt <hatchelt@yahoo.co.uk> > > Êîìó: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Îòïðàâëåíî: 08 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2000 12:15 > > Òåìà: Re: [idm] the future of "idm" > > > > > > > Was that the ol' clear 7"? I was so chuffed when I > > got > > > my hands on that!...all i need now is something to > > > play it on! > > > > > > --- alexander rozet <funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk> > > > wrote: > no. they just released their first 7" on > > CCO. > > > > > > > > > > > > LX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E-mail: funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk > > > > Web: http://bounce.to/rockin_pony > > > > http://www.mp3.com/rockinpony > > > > http://www.tarmedia.com/vent.htm > > > > ICQ: 11851178 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Èñõîäíîå ñîîáùåíèå ----- > > > > Îò: Andreas Tilliander > > <andreas.tilliander@deo.com> > > > > Êîìó: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > > > Îòïðàâëåíî: 08 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2000 11:23 > > > > Òåìà: RE: [idm] the future of "idm" > > > > > > > > > > > > aren´t they signed to cco? > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________ > > > > From: Ben Hatchelt [mailto:hatchelt@yahoo.co.uk] > > > > Sent: den 8 september 2000 12:05 > > > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > > > Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm" > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll go with that! Fizzarum are great! How come > > > > they're not signed yet?! > > > > > > > > --- alexander rozet > > <funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk> > > > > wrote: > > > Autechre are not any different than > > any > > > > of us. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes they are. They're a lot more talented > > than > > > > > most of us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fizzarum are more talented than Autechre:) IMO > > > > > Fizzarum create the most > > > > > beautiful music i ever heard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E-mail: funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk > > > > > Web: http://bounce.to/rockin_pony > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/rockinpony > > > > > http://www.tarmedia.com/vent.htm > > > > > ICQ: 11851178 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at > > > > http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > > > > or your free @yahoo.ie address at > > > > http://mail.yahoo.ie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at > > http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > > > or your free @yahoo.ie address at > > http://mail.yahoo.ie > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > >

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richard devine, lexaunculpt, accelera deck, arovane, etc etc all up and comers who sound like autechre, but the question is ... is it a good song ? autechre write some beautiful songs, theyre heavy on repetition, but so what imo theyre not only pushing sound they are creating wonderful songs. richard devine has the same vibe, lexaunculpt is just plain wicked when it comes to organising rolls and skitters along with nice melodies, accelera deck is crunchy, and arovane has some of that 'old school' synth melody going for him, point is they all resemble autechre in some way, much like a rock band resembles other rock bands in some way, what differences can be found is who is creating good songs. some other notables i think are: bauri, metamatics, phonem, isan, b.fleischmann, and of course good ole aphex twin.

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>From: andrei@world.std.com >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm" >Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:58:47 -0400 > >Lucas wrote: > > > Autechre are not any different than any of us. > >Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than most of us. > > > Anyone experimenting with a computer or a modular synth is going to come >up with > > some cool sounds eventually. > >Sure anyone can come up with some OK sounds with the right plugins or what >have you, >but knowing how to assemble those sounds into an intriguing piece of music >is the >hard part. And that's what Autechre excels at (most of the time). > > > I think part of the reason people think that Autechre are the future of >"IDM" is > > cause for the most part* nothing better ever comes out. (I think we can >all relate > > to this, although there is some > > really cool stuff out lately *(Lexaunculpt, Richard Devine) that's >really wicked. > >Come on, Lexaunculpt is good, but that's like comparing David S. Ware to >Coltrane (or >Enrique to Julio). :-) > >Andrei > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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yeah I totally agree with cranket. I have a question though, how did we get to talking about ae as the *future* of elec- tronic music, I always considered groups like them and RDJ the past... as great influences to all or most of the IDM thats probably ever come out ? ian

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> -----Original Message----- > From: cranket . [mailto:aiiaii@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 9:56 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm" > > > > richard devine, lexaunculpt, accelera deck, arovane, etc etc > all up and comers who sound like autechre, but the question is ... > is it a good song ? autechre write some beautiful songs, theyre heavy on > repetition, but so what imo theyre not only pushing sound they > are creating > wonderful songs. richard devine has the same vibe, > lexaunculpt is just plain wicked when it comes to organising rolls and > skitters along with nice melodies, accelera deck is crunchy, and > arovane has > some of that 'old school' synth melody going for him, > point is they all resemble autechre in some way, much like a rock band > resembles other rock bands in some way, what differences can be > found is who > is creating good songs. some other notables i think are: > bauri, metamatics, phonem, isan, b.fleischmann, and of course > good ole aphex > twin. > > >From: andrei@world.std.com > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm" > >Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:58:47 -0400 > > > >Lucas wrote: > > > > > Autechre are not any different than any of us. > > > >Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than most of us. > > > > > Anyone experimenting with a computer or a modular synth is > going to come > >up with > > > some cool sounds eventually. > > > >Sure anyone can come up with some OK sounds with the right > plugins or what > >have you, > >but knowing how to assemble those sounds into an intriguing > piece of music > >is the > >hard part. And that's what Autechre excels at (most of the time). > > > > > I think part of the reason people think that Autechre are the > future of > >"IDM" is > > > cause for the most part* nothing better ever comes out. (I > think we can > >all relate > > > to this, although there is some > > > really cool stuff out lately *(Lexaunculpt, Richard Devine) that's > >really wicked. > > > >Come on, Lexaunculpt is good, but that's like comparing David S. Ware to > >Coltrane (or > >Enrique to Julio). :-) > > > >Andrei > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 3 lines point is they all resemble autechre in some way, much like a rock band

> point is they all resemble autechre in some way, much like a rock band > resembles other rock bands in some way, what differences can be found is who > is creating good songs.

exactly. the thing that you people jumping all over these bands for "sounding like autechre" have to realize is that what you are picking up on in many cases is just the fact that they use the same tools and techniques to create the music. every guitar player that uses a Big Muff pedal on a solo "sounds like Hendrix" of course any band as influential as autechre are going to have other musicians take away some of that influence. it's called evolution. some of you on this list might have heard of it. the first cro-magnon who figured out how to make a spear probably showed it to another cro-magnon, who recognized it as a good technique and *GASP* copied it. perhaps you noticed how much influence mozart took from bach. or how much Georges Braques and Picasso's early works resemble eachother. Or how Microsoft Windows copied MacOS who copied some experimental Xerox UI. Or how every major auto manufacturer copied Henry Ford's assembly line production model. now consider a young upstart electronic musician. she has been listening to "IDM" for a while and now she wants to make some. Now she's got some gear and she's read the instruction manuals but still has no idea how to use it artistically. So she sets about trying to come up with something that sounds familiar to her. Derivative or not, she is now making music that sounds good to her. Eventually, as her skills evolve the music starts sounding less and less like that of other artists and more and more like her own personal style. This is a regular part of the process of artistic evolution and should be recognized as such. -Josh -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

once again. listen to Fizzarum and you'll understand what i'm talking about. they are perfect. LX E-mail: funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk Web: http://bounce.to/rockin_pony http://www.mp3.com/rockinpony http://www.tarmedia.com/vent.htm ICQ: 11851178 ----- Исходное сообщение ----- От: cranket . <aiiaii@hotmail.com> Кому: <idm@hyperreal.org> Отправлено: 08 сентября 2000 15:55 Тема: Re: [idm] the future of "idm"

quoted 5 lines richard devine, lexaunculpt, accelera deck, arovane, etc etc

> > richard devine, lexaunculpt, accelera deck, arovane, etc etc > all up and comers who sound like autechre, but the question is ... > is it a good song ? autechre write some beautiful songs, theyre heavy on > repetition, but so what imo theyre not only pushing sound they are

creating

quoted 3 lines wonderful songs. richard devine has the same vibe,

> wonderful songs. richard devine has the same vibe, > lexaunculpt is just plain wicked when it comes to organising rolls and > skitters along with nice melodies, accelera deck is crunchy, and arovane

has

quoted 3 lines some of that 'old school' synth melody going for him,

> some of that 'old school' synth melody going for him, > point is they all resemble autechre in some way, much like a rock band > resembles other rock bands in some way, what differences can be found is

who

quoted 2 lines is creating good songs. some other notables i think are:

> is creating good songs. some other notables i think are: > bauri, metamatics, phonem, isan, b.fleischmann, and of course good ole

aphex

quoted 14 lines twin.

> twin. > > >From: andrei@world.std.com > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm" > >Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:58:47 -0400 > > > >Lucas wrote: > > > > > Autechre are not any different than any of us. > > > >Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than most of us. > > > > > Anyone experimenting with a computer or a modular synth is going to

come

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> >up with > > > some cool sounds eventually. > > > >Sure anyone can come up with some OK sounds with the right plugins or

what

quoted 2 lines have you,

> >have you, > >but knowing how to assemble those sounds into an intriguing piece of

music

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> >is the > >hard part. And that's what Autechre excels at (most of the time). > > > > > I think part of the reason people think that Autechre are the future

of

quoted 2 lines "IDM" is

> >"IDM" is > > > cause for the most part* nothing better ever comes out. (I think we

can

quoted 30 lines all relate

> >all relate > > > to this, although there is some > > > really cool stuff out lately *(Lexaunculpt, Richard Devine) that's > >really wicked. > > > >Come on, Lexaunculpt is good, but that's like comparing David S. Ware to > >Coltrane (or > >Enrique to Julio). :-) > > > >Andrei > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

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maybe idm is dead already and we are just left behind. maybe the future of idm isnt idm at all. im sure there has been much debat over the term (idm), and some say "music is music" idm is helpful to classify, others dont want it classified, whatever...this isnt to raise up that debate. there are two questions cross pollinating: this has obviously been done, but has it been done by say for instance (the digital smear of oval) and drum & bass. or fuzzy guitars and 'out there mego style glitches' complete inverse of a formula (tried and true) an example would be my bloody valentines loveless. shields & co managed to become the future of rock simply be employing alot anti ideas to a rock formula. they also wrote some great songs whilst doing so. so if there is an idm formula (ex. the autechre way, of adding and subtracting elements, wacked out programming etc etc) who will be someone who inverses that formula ? or chooses to work within it and give it a new breath ? that to me would be the future of idm.

quoted 35 lines From: "Ian Pojman" <ian@webice.net>

>From: "Ian Pojman" <ian@webice.net> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: RE: [idm] the future of "idm" >Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:38:43 -0500 > >yeah I totally agree with cranket. I have a question though, >how did we get to talking about ae as the *future* of elec- >tronic music, I always considered groups like them and RDJ >the past... as great influences to all or most of the IDM thats >probably ever come out >? > >ian > > > > > > > > richard devine, lexaunculpt, accelera deck, arovane, etc etc > > all up and comers who sound like autechre, but the question is ... > > is it a good song ? autechre write some beautiful songs, theyre heavy >on > > repetition, but so what imo theyre not only pushing sound they > > are creating > > wonderful songs. richard devine has the same vibe, > > lexaunculpt is just plain wicked when it comes to organising rolls and > > skitters along with nice melodies, accelera deck is crunchy, and > > arovane has > > some of that 'old school' synth melody going for him, > > point is they all resemble autechre in some way, much like a rock band > > resembles other rock bands in some way, what differences can be > > found is who > > is creating good songs. some other notables i think are: > > bauri, metamatics, phonem, isan, b.fleischmann, and of course > > good ole aphex > > twin. > >

quoted 39 lines Lucas wrote:

> > > > > >Lucas wrote: > > > > > > > Autechre are not any different than any of us. > > > > > >Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than most of us. > > > > > > > Anyone experimenting with a computer or a modular synth is > > going to come > > >up with > > > > some cool sounds eventually. > > > > > >Sure anyone can come up with some OK sounds with the right > > plugins or what > > >have you, > > >but knowing how to assemble those sounds into an intriguing > > piece of music > > >is the > > >hard part. And that's what Autechre excels at (most of the time). > > > > > > > I think part of the reason people think that Autechre are the > > future of > > >"IDM" is > > > > cause for the most part* nothing better ever comes out. (I > > think we can > > >all relate > > > > to this, although there is some > > > > really cool stuff out lately *(Lexaunculpt, Richard Devine) that's > > >really wicked. > > > > > >Come on, Lexaunculpt is good, but that's like comparing David S. Ware >to > > >Coltrane (or > > >Enrique to Julio). :-) > > > > > >Andrei > > > > > > > >

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okay, 'better' is such a bad word, but it's hard to listen to autechre and not realize that they're doing something more than most other electronic musicians today. Call it better. Call it smarter. Call it luckier. Call it timing. Call it whatever you will, but autechre have more of it. And personally, I don't think they cringe at this thought. Everyone's got more of something and it's always a good day when someone else notices. ---brian ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 365-8203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 -----Original Message----- From: Brian MacDonald [mailto:brianm@kuci.org] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 11:12 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm" On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 andrei@world.std.com wrote:

quoted 5 lines Lucas wrote:

> Lucas wrote: > > > Autechre are not any different than any of us. > > Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than most of us.

With all due respect to the Ae boyz, I take issue with any type of statement like "X is a lot more talented than most of us."... I sincerely believe that for every truly talented artist that is well known, there are 99 equally "talented" artists that are completely unknown -- or perhaps don't even realize how talented they are -- or just exist in the wrong place or wrong time. I won't deny that Autechre push the limit, but I think even they would cringe at the thought they are *the* pinnacle of talent in a particular musical field.. Luck/chaos/right time right place/etc. has at least partially to do with why they are popular. Luck/chaos/right time right place has a lot to do with why any high profile artists are popular.

quoted 1 line Come on, Lexaunculpt is good, but that's like comparing David S. Ware to

> Come on, Lexaunculpt is good, but that's like comparing David S. Ware to

Coltrane (or

quoted 1 line Enrique to Julio). :-)

> Enrique to Julio). :-)

For the record, I enjoy Lexaunculpt (and a slew of other "Autechre rip offs") more than Autechre. It's not that I think Lex and the gang are "better" than Ae, or vice versa. But I find Lex's stuff more enjoyable than Autechre's... though I appreciate the influence Ae's had on lots of folks.

quoted 1 line Andrei

> Andrei

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regarding the previous hunks of this thread, i think Pole will be the "next autechre" in terms of influence. he needs to get a bit more diverse IMHO but i love the first three LPs. definitely alot of exploration to do in there. and if you haven't played his stuff at ear splitting levels yet, you are really missing the point. :) josh -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 Andor144@aol.com wrote:

quoted 9 lines does anyoe else like Pole a whole lot? i do anyone know anything interesting

> does anyoe else like Pole a whole lot? i do anyone know anything interesting > about him? > -matt > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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i've seen him live last tuesday, it was quite good. and i like his records too. LX E-mail: funglia@netscapeonline.co.uk Web: http://bounce.to/rockin_pony http://www.mp3.com/rockinpony http://www.tarmedia.com/vent.htm ICQ: 11851178 ----- Èñõîäíîå ñîîáùåíèå ----- Îò: <Andor144@aol.com> Êîìó: <idm@hyperreal.org> Îòïðàâëåíî: 08 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2000 20:25 Òåìà: Re: RE: [idm] the future of "idm"

quoted 1 line does anyoe else like Pole a whole lot? i do anyone know anything

> does anyoe else like Pole a whole lot? i do anyone know anything

interesting

quoted 9 lines about him?

> about him? > -matt > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

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quoted 4 lines does anyoe else like Pole a whole lot? i do anyone know anything

> does anyoe else like Pole a whole lot? i do anyone know anything > interesting > about him? > -matt

ummm...like he was born on the planet earth? i apologize, tom w np: (not alota good shit lately) but, solar spectrums mixes by chris coco ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

they sweat it out in the studio everyday...that probably has something to do with it. writers write. I remember someone saying that if you want to be a writer and you can't write then you become a critic...same goes for painters/artists...but with music if you can't play then maybe you become an engineer. or editor. or you stay home and masterbate a lot. ----------

quoted 5 lines From: "Gause, Brian" <bgause@SECTORBASE.COM>

>From: "Gause, Brian" <bgause@SECTORBASE.COM> >To: 'Brian MacDonald' <brianm@kuci.org>, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [idm] the future of "idm" >Date: Fri, Sep 8, 2000, 10:27 AM >

quoted 84 lines okay, 'better' is such a bad word, but it's hard to listen to autechre and

> okay, 'better' is such a bad word, but it's hard to listen to autechre and > not realize that they're doing something more than most other electronic > musicians today. > > Call it better. > Call it smarter. > Call it luckier. > Call it timing. > Call it whatever you will, but autechre have more of it. > > And personally, I don't think they cringe at this thought. Everyone's got > more of something and it's always a good day when someone else notices. > > ---brian > > ------------------------ > Brian W. Gause > Senior Technical Writer > SECTORBASE.com > 568 Howard Street > First Floor > San Francisco, CA 94105 > Direct: (415) 365-8203 > Fax: (415) 365-8263 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian MacDonald [mailto:brianm@kuci.org] > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 11:12 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm" > > > > On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 andrei@world.std.com wrote: > >> Lucas wrote: >> >> > Autechre are not any different than any of us. >> >> Yes they are. They're a lot more talented than most of us. > > With all due respect to the Ae boyz, I take issue with any type of > statement like "X is a lot more talented than most of us."... I sincerely > believe that for every truly talented artist that is well known, there are > 99 equally "talented" artists that are completely unknown -- or perhaps > don't even realize how talented they are -- or just exist in the wrong > place or wrong time. > > I won't deny that Autechre push the limit, but I think even they would > cringe at the thought they are *the* pinnacle of talent in a particular > musical field.. Luck/chaos/right time right place/etc. has at least > partially to do with why they are popular. Luck/chaos/right time right > place has a lot to do with why any high profile artists are popular. > >> Come on, Lexaunculpt is good, but that's like comparing David S. Ware to > Coltrane (or >> Enrique to Julio). :-) > > For the record, I enjoy Lexaunculpt (and a slew of other "Autechre rip > offs") more than Autechre. It's not that I think Lex and the gang are > "better" than Ae, or vice versa. But I find Lex's stuff more enjoyable > than Autechre's... though I appreciate the influence Ae's had on lots of > folks. > >> Andrei > > ======================================================================= > Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> > KUCI 88.9 fM in Irvine, CA -- Orange County > > "Zee Robot attacked zee computer -- in zee outer space...!" > ======================================================================= > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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In a message dated 9/7/00 3:07:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, atari808@hotmail.com writes: << ever comes out. (I think we can all relate to this, although there is some really cool stuff out lately *(Lexaunculpt, Richard Devine) that's really wicked. >> and the funny thing is that people say lexanchulpt coppies autechre.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

saw lexanculpt recently, and i don't know what he's been doing elsewhere, but he sure isn't copying autechre in performance!(although the boys of autechre are very sweet, they're a different stripe altogether!) great live show, very "microvise" as we're all discussing jazz! hehheh ----- Original Message ----- From: <DynamiCell@aol.com> To: <atari808@hotmail.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm"

quoted 3 lines In a message dated 9/7/00 3:07:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> In a message dated 9/7/00 3:07:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > atari808@hotmail.com writes: > << ever comes out. (I think we can all relate to this, although there is

some

quoted 4 lines really cool stuff out lately *(Lexaunculpt, Richard Devine) that's really

> really cool stuff out lately *(Lexaunculpt, Richard Devine) that's really > wicked. > >> > and the funny thing is that people say lexanchulpt coppies autechre..

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quoted 3 lines saw lexaunculpt recently, and i don't know what he's

> saw lexaunculpt recently, and i don't know what he's > been doing elsewhere, but he sure isn't copying > autechre in performance!

In Performance??? You mean the highly riveting mouse clicking between Lexaunculpt & Autechre are different?

quoted 4 lines (although the boys of autechre are very sweet,

> (although the boys of autechre are very sweet, > they're a different stripe altogether!) great live > show, very "microvise" as we're all discussing jazz! > hehheh

Great Live Show?? I didn't think you could really do a whole hell of a lot of "live" improvisation with laptops. At one Lexaunculpt show, Alex had someone else on stage clicking the mouse for him so he could hang in the audience. Sorry to be picky, clicking a mouse doesn't really make for "great live shows" IMHO. Seeing someone using gear is a hell of a lot more interesting. However, if the music is vastly different from the originals that would be nice hearing (not watching). When I saw QBurns Abstract Message he was doing a hell of a lot more then clicking a mouse. He had a turntable and sampled stuff + manipulated it, played some keyboards, and looked like he was having fun up there. Now I didn't care for the music he was making, but it was entertaining to watching him. This post reflects the "live aspect", NOT the music. I like both Autechre & Lexaunculpt work. In a similar discussion I had with a friend, he said he didn't want to pay to see djs anymore. That he prefered seeing "live". Well if "live" means watching someone click a mouse, I'll take a dj over that anyday! ===== SWOPE TRANSMISSIONS - Listen on KUCI.org every FRIDAY Evening 6-9pm (Pacific) http://home.earthlink.net/~efrans/swope-transmissions __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 5 lines Great Live Show?? I didn't think you could really do a

> Great Live Show?? I didn't think you could really do a > whole hell of a lot of "live" improvisation with > laptops. At one Lexaunculpt show, Alex had someone > else on stage clicking the mouse for him so he could > hang in the audience.

maybe it sounded good? some people go to shows to listen to the music rather than for trainspotting (not me, mind you...) when i saw lexaunculpt, he sat far offstage in a booth with his powerbook while most of the audience sat in front of the stage thinking that the guys running the video system were the musicians. i do agree though, it is more interesting to see the music actually being "created" before your eyes rather than "played back" from a soundfile (which is what alex did when i saw him play)... but i think that the majority of people going to shows arent' going to be able to tell the difference between somebody playing back soundfiles or tweaking knobs on a mixer/synth ... jsoh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

The thing about laptop music in a live context is that usually the "success" of a performance has far more to do with the venue, setting, and crowd than it does the actual performance. I guess it's a bit of a John Cage thing. Last I time I saw Lexaunculpt live was at this Chinese restaurant/bar in Costa Mesa called The Bamboo Terrace opening up for Mixmaster Morris. Sure, Alex did his thing... sitting in front of his laptop, mildly moving his head, looking like he was doing homework, etc. etc. The best part of the show were the drunken looneyheads that were left over from before the "doors opening" that were going "What the fuck is THIS guy doing? These guys really like this stuff?". The culture clash was pretty entertaining. ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> KUCI 88.9 fM in Irvine, CA -- Orange County "Zee Robot attacked zee computer -- in zee outer space...!" ======================================================================= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

you're right, it must have been the videos and his clicks in tandem! hahahaha ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Samuels" <w_technoir@yahoo.com> To: "rebecca263" <rebecca263@netzero.net>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm"

quoted 59 lines --- rebecca263 <rebecca263@netzero.net> wrote:

> --- rebecca263 <rebecca263@netzero.net> wrote: > > saw lexaunculpt recently, and i don't know what he's > > been doing elsewhere, but he sure isn't copying > > autechre in performance! > > In Performance??? You mean the highly riveting mouse > clicking between Lexaunculpt & Autechre are different? > > > (although the boys of autechre are very sweet, > > they're a different stripe altogether!) great live > > show, very "microvise" as we're all discussing jazz! > > hehheh > > Great Live Show?? I didn't think you could really do a > whole hell of a lot of "live" improvisation with > laptops. At one Lexaunculpt show, Alex had someone > else on stage clicking the mouse for him so he could > hang in the audience. > > Sorry to be picky, clicking a mouse doesn't really > make for "great live shows" IMHO. Seeing someone > using gear is a hell of a lot more interesting. > However, if the music is vastly different from the > originals that would be nice hearing (not watching). > > When I saw QBurns Abstract Message he was doing a hell > of a lot more then clicking a mouse. He had a > turntable and sampled stuff + manipulated it, played > some keyboards, and looked like he was having fun up > there. Now I didn't care for the music he was making, > but it was entertaining to watching him. > > This post reflects the "live aspect", NOT the music. > I like both Autechre & Lexaunculpt work. > > > In a similar discussion I had with a friend, he said > he didn't want to pay to see djs anymore. That he > prefered seeing "live". Well if "live" means watching > someone click a mouse, I'll take a dj over that > anyday! > > > ===== > SWOPE TRANSMISSIONS - Listen on KUCI.org > every FRIDAY Evening 6-9pm (Pacific) > > http://home.earthlink.net/~efrans/swope-transmissions > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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wow, you had that large an audience? sounds like when we hit the knitting factory, but here in the south end of the land, it's a bit different, fifty people and we're almost all fellow worker bees! we had a small venue, being a small crowd! and maybe performing is a different perspective. also, i think you could be right about people not noticing a difference if they're not composers themselves and therefore unfamiliar with the business end, i am so immersed in it that i didn't even think of it as a fan oriented performance. we don't really have those, do we? :) PS, i love being rebecca 263, much fun to mix it up with you all! cheers! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Davison" <yoshi@enteract.com> To: "William Samuels" <w_technoir@yahoo.com> Cc: "rebecca263" <rebecca263@netzero.net>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [idm] the future of "idm"

quoted 30 lines On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, William Samuels wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, William Samuels wrote: > > > Great Live Show?? I didn't think you could really do a > > whole hell of a lot of "live" improvisation with > > laptops. At one Lexaunculpt show, Alex had someone > > else on stage clicking the mouse for him so he could > > hang in the audience. > > maybe it sounded good? some people go to shows to listen to the music > rather than for trainspotting (not me, mind you...) > > when i saw lexaunculpt, he sat far offstage in a booth with his powerbook > while most of the audience sat in front of the stage thinking that the > guys running the video system were the musicians. > > i do agree though, it is more interesting to see the music actually being > "created" before your eyes rather than "played back" from a soundfile > (which is what alex did when i saw him play)... but i think that the > majority of people going to shows arent' going to be able to tell the > difference between somebody playing back soundfiles or tweaking knobs on a > mixer/synth ... > > jsoh > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, rebecca263 wrote:

quoted 2 lines wow, you had that large an audience? sounds like when we hit the knitting

> wow, you had that large an audience? sounds like when we hit the knitting > factory, but here in the south end of the land, it's a bit different, fifty

well i didn't say how large the audience was... but it was fairly good sized actually, probably because of the All Star Line Up of Lexaunculpt, Kit Clayton and Autechre Lite (aka Funkstorung) (just kidding...) plus it was well promoted in the local press. josh -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines maybe it sounded good? some people go to shows to

> maybe it sounded good? some people go to shows to > listen to the music rather than for trainspotting >(not me, mind you...)

Just for clarity I'm not talking about any artist in particular right now. If the music was substantially different/reworked from a recording I own, that could be interesting. Many times I have seen someone "live" and the version they play is almost identical to the one I own. That's kind of disappointing. Then there is the issue of sound systems. Sometimes it's really good to hear something LOUD (with all the frequencies properly EQed). That is rarely the case when I go to mouse clicking events. I have seen Soul Oddity on a Shredder sound system and it blew my mind. Then I have seen them in a tiny space with mediocre sound. Massive difference! Although I don't think they did as a good of a performance at the smaller venue.

quoted 10 lines i do agree though, it is more interesting to see the

> i do agree though, it is more interesting to see the > music actually being > "created" before your eyes rather than "played back" > from a soundfile > (which is what alex did when i saw him play)... but > i think that the > majority of people going to shows arent' going to be > able to tell the > difference between somebody playing back soundfiles > or tweaking knobs on a mixer/synth ...

If someone has gear in front of them and they look like they are having fun it makes a big difference from someone who looks bored or is straining to read their laptop. Personally I would rather see an artist like Meat Beat Manifesto. Where they do perform. Or see a dj that mixes and does tricks, etc. ===== SWOPE TRANSMISSIONS - Listen on KUCI.org every FRIDAY Evening 6-9pm (Pacific) http://home.earthlink.net/~efrans/swope-transmissions __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 5 lines I have seen Soul Oddity on a Shredder sound system and

> I have seen Soul Oddity on a Shredder sound system and > it blew my mind. Then I have seen them in a tiny > space with mediocre sound. Massive difference! > Although I don't think they did as a good of a > performance at the smaller venue.

hehe, i saw them as Phoenecia last year and they shredded the sound system, literally... blew fuses and tore up cones on a couple of Bag End 15" cabinets... a lesson to be learned here: put a limiter on your sound system when the miami sound machine comes around... -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org