IDM Mailing Archive

2000-04-17 17:24SOMA806@aol.comI love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my thoughts and time on my

From:: <SOMA806@aol.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:24:16 EDT
Subject:: [idm] missing: romanticism

I love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my thoughts and time on my stereo, the one aspect of my life that seems unfulfilled is romantacicim. I REALLY do get a feeling of unattachment for people (with a few acception eg. boygirl song, flim flam, tortoise, savath +savalas Some to ro coco rot). Does IDM ever make you feel like part of the lost generation?? Or am just going though a steril period. I think I'm going to blast some Dinosaur Jr. sonic youth, Fugazi and Mazzy star for a while. Call me cheezy but those artist just refill some lost teenage 'angst'or needed depression for loss of better word. Some time I feel like IDM gives me no emotion other than interset in IDM. Sometime I want more. I need an un quantized human touch. Mayde darkside of the moon is what I'm looking for, maybe some sea and cake. HELP! Am I the only one that gets like this some times?! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-16 17:55seesik>I love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my >thoughts and time on m

From:: seesik <seesik@techgnosis.org>
To:: <SOMA806@aol.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 12:55:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] missing: romanticism
Reply to:: [idm] missing: romanticism

quoted 3 lines I love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my

>I love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my >thoughts and time on my stereo, the one aspect of my life that seems >unfulfilled is romantacicim (sic).

absolutely. i was just asking my wife why she disdains most of the electronic music i listen to...her reply was that it "wasn't sexy". she's not a ricky martin kinda chick, so i asked her to explain. she said that she feels that electronic music is not "where music is heading" (like i claim), primarily because it lacks romance. people need to feel the poetry and cheesy shite in music sometimes, not to mention the entertainment factor. like soma said, there isn't a total lack of 'angst/sadness/joy' in IDM; listen to the Plone remix of tricky disco or console's delaydackel if you think otherwise...it is there, it just isn't as obvious as a belle and sebastian track. i think that the reason that i still listen to cat power and the smiths from time to time is that they provide an emotional parallel to and escape from the logic that is most IDM. i still feel that a 90/10 ratio of electronic to pop isn't exactly my ideal, but that's how i've had it as of late. someone asked the list how everyone "got into IDM". what did you listen to before this? for me, seefeel was the bridge from indie/guitar to electronic. polyfusia still has a lot of the "feel" ofstuff that i used to listen to (mbv, slowdive, cocteau twins and all that). the odd thing is, i feel like i'm musically polarized now: i can either listen to robot-music (ross!) or wussrock, but nothing in between. if anyone else knows what i'm ranting about and/or can articulate it more effectively, i'd like to hear your take.. regards, seesik --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-17 17:40Thomas Berchhrm..sad...i dont listen to any music that doesnt spark some sort of emotion in me..and at

From:: Thomas Berch <thomas.berch@expanets.com>
To:: <SOMA806@aol.com>, <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:40:50 -0500
Subject:: RE: [idm] missing: romanticism
Reply to:: [idm] missing: romanticism

hrm..sad...i dont listen to any music that doesnt spark some sort of emotion in me..and at the moment..i play more idm than i do older "alternative" and so on.. aphex twin - sawII was always a real tear jerker.. and some of the jega and m-ziq drum 'n' bass tracks can work out some of that angst if you get into well enough.. IMO L`zoril np - antarktika - live -----Original Message----- From: SOMA806@aol.com [mailto:SOMA806@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 12:24 PM To: idm@hyperreal.com Subject: [idm] missing: romanticism I love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my thoughts and time on my stereo, the one aspect of my life that seems unfulfilled is romantacicim. I REALLY do get a feeling of unattachment for people (with a few acception eg. boygirl song, flim flam, tortoise, savath +savalas Some to ro coco rot). Does IDM ever make you feel like part of the lost generation?? Or am just going though a steril period. I think I'm going to blast some Dinosaur Jr. sonic youth, Fugazi and Mazzy star for a while. Call me cheezy but those artist just refill some lost teenage 'angst'or needed depression for loss of better word. Some time I feel like IDM gives me no emotion other than interset in IDM. Sometime I want more. I need an un quantized human touch. Mayde darkside of the moon is what I'm looking for, maybe some sea and cake. HELP! Am I the only one that gets like this some times?! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-17 19:58forelI would have to agree. But ambient music usually tends to fill that need for me (then agai

From:: forel <forel@mac.com>
To:: <SOMA806@aol.com>, <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:58:59 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] missing: romanticism
Reply to:: [idm] missing: romanticism

I would have to agree. But ambient music usually tends to fill that need for me (then again, I am a pretty detached person, so maybe it really doesn't). SOMA806@aol.com wrote:

quoted 12 lines I love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my thoughts

> I love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my thoughts > and time on my stereo, the one aspect of my life that seems unfulfilled is > romantacicim. I REALLY do get a feeling of unattachment for people (with a > few acception eg. boygirl song, flim flam, tortoise, savath +savalas Some to > ro coco rot). Does IDM ever make you feel like part of the lost generation?? > Or am just going though a steril period. I think I'm going to blast some > Dinosaur Jr. sonic youth, Fugazi and Mazzy star for a while. Call me cheezy > but those artist just refill some lost teenage 'angst'or needed depression > for loss of better word. Some time I feel like IDM gives me no emotion other > than interset in IDM. Sometime I want more. I need an un quantized human > touch. Mayde darkside of the moon is what I'm looking for, maybe some sea and > cake. HELP! Am I the only one that gets like this some times?!

-- forel Is your toast as good as mine? I thought not. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-17 17:40Mark FiorilloI have to agree with these sentiments. IDM pleases my creative and intellectual side immen

From:: Mark Fiorillo <mfiorillo@yahoo.com>
To:: <SOMA806@aol.com>, <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:40:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] missing: romanticism

I have to agree with these sentiments. IDM pleases my creative and intellectual side immensely, but sometimes leaves my emotional side feeling slightly hollow. This was particularly bad about a month and a half ago. My remedy was to listen to a bit more vocal and egoistic music, such as Tom Waits or Edith Piaf. I think that the greatest virtue of most electronic music is precisely that it minimizes the ego of the composer. Like classical music, IDM is based almost purely on sonic appeal. I can't imagine what it would be like to listen to music where someone is telling me how they feel all the time. Anyone agree? --- SOMA806@aol.com wrote:

quoted 26 lines I love IDM, but I find that often after having let

> I love IDM, but I find that often after having let > it dominate my thoughts > and time on my stereo, the one aspect of my life > that seems unfulfilled is > romantacicim. I REALLY do get a feeling of > unattachment for people (with a > few acception eg. boygirl song, flim flam, tortoise, > savath +savalas Some to > ro coco rot). Does IDM ever make you feel like part > of the lost generation?? > Or am just going though a steril period. I think I'm > going to blast some > Dinosaur Jr. sonic youth, Fugazi and Mazzy star for > a while. Call me cheezy > but those artist just refill some lost teenage > 'angst'or needed depression > for loss of better word. Some time I feel like IDM > gives me no emotion other > than interset in IDM. Sometime I want more. I need > an un quantized human > touch. Mayde darkside of the moon is what I'm > looking for, maybe some sea and > cake. HELP! Am I the only one that gets like this > some times?! > >

---------------------------------------------------------------------

quoted 6 lines To unsubscribe, e-mail:

> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

===== The Situationists maintained that ordinary people have all the tools they need for revolution. The only thing missing is a perceptual shift - a tantalizing glimpse of a new way of being - that suddenly brings everything into focus. - Kalle Lasn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-17 17:48Yonnie Lui>I have to agree with these sentiments. IDM pleases my >creative and intellectual side imm

From:: Yonnie Lui <lui@pop.interchange.ubc.ca>
To:: Mark Fiorillo <mfiorillo@yahoo.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:48:23 -0700
Subject:: Re: [idm] missing: romanticism
Reply to:: Re: [idm] missing: romanticism

quoted 4 lines I have to agree with these sentiments. IDM pleases my

>I have to agree with these sentiments. IDM pleases my >creative and intellectual side immensely, but >sometimes leaves my emotional side feeling slightly >hollow.

yah... i guess we just have to resort to Soul/R&B once in a while! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-17 17:45Ernesto Ikerd>I love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my thoughts >and time on m

From:: Ernesto Ikerd <IkerdEA@lmtas.lmco.com>
To:: International Damage Machines <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:45:00 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] missing: romanticism

quoted 3 lines I love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my thoughts

>I love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my thoughts >and time on my stereo, the one aspect of my life that seems unfulfilled is >romantacicim.

Dominate your time and thoughts? How bout going outside and getting some air? And im not talking about picking up a copy of "Moon Safari" Its just a mailing list people - theres a wide world of music out there and if you are getting this bothered by a certain type of music, you ARE allowed to listen to something else! ernie Ernesto Ikerd, (817) 763-4795 Company Graphics, Dept 17, MZ-4202 Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company Fort Worth, Texas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-17 17:48Steve SilversTo some extent I see what you are saying, but Hi Scores by Boards of Canada makes me cry a

From:: Steve Silvers <steve@seattlegroove.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:48:54 -0700
Subject:: Re: [idm] missing: romanticism

To some extent I see what you are saying, but Hi Scores by Boards of Canada makes me cry almost everytime i listen to it. ----- Original Message ----- From: <SOMA806@aol.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.com> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 10:24 AM Subject: [idm] missing: romanticism

quoted 4 lines I love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my thoughts

quoted 1 line ro coco rot). Does IDM ever make you feel like part of the lost

> ro coco rot). Does IDM ever make you feel like part of the lost

generation??

quoted 2 lines Or am just going though a steril period. I think I'm going to blast some

> Or am just going though a steril period. I think I'm going to blast some > Dinosaur Jr. sonic youth, Fugazi and Mazzy star for a while. Call me

cheezy

quoted 2 lines but those artist just refill some lost teenage 'angst'or needed depression

> but those artist just refill some lost teenage 'angst'or needed depression > for loss of better word. Some time I feel like IDM gives me no emotion

other

quoted 2 lines than interset in IDM. Sometime I want more. I need an un quantized human

> than interset in IDM. Sometime I want more. I need an un quantized human > touch. Mayde darkside of the moon is what I'm looking for, maybe some sea

and

quoted 6 lines cake. HELP! Am I the only one that gets like this some times?!

> cake. HELP! Am I the only one that gets like this some times?! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-17 18:28aaron> absolutely. i was just asking my wife why she disdains most of the > electronic music i

From:: aaron <step@systorm.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:28:13 -0400
Subject:: Re: [idm] missing: romanticism

quoted 2 lines absolutely. i was just asking my wife why she disdains most of the

> absolutely. i was just asking my wife why she disdains most of the > electronic music i listen to...her reply was that it "wasn't sexy".

hmm.. my girlfriend is quite the opposite.. she frequently comments on how inspiring and emotional many IDM tracks are.. especially Plaid, Octopus Inc, BoC, Aphex..

quoted 2 lines parallel to and escape from the logic that is most IDM. i still feel that

> parallel to and escape from the logic that is most IDM. i still feel that > a 90/10 ratio of electronic to pop isn't exactly my ideal, but that's how

i tend to just listen to what is fitting for the mood i'm in.. IDM for intellectual / playful / introspective Lush, Radiohead, etc for depressed Drum n Bass (current UK style.. Ed Rush, Grooverider, Bristol peeps) for agressive, outgoing and radom other styles as i *feel* fit..

quoted 3 lines someone asked the list how everyone "got into IDM". what did you listen to

> someone asked the list how everyone "got into IDM". what did you listen to > before this? for me, seefeel was the bridge from indie/guitar to > electronic. polyfusia still has a lot of the "feel" ofstuff that i used to

i think i bridged a very stange gap (please comment if i'm not alone) from very dark aggressive industrial tracks (tkk, nin, download, etc) to the more aggressive side of electronic.. older jungle, big beat, etc.. then i progressed into the sub-genre of idm.. i dunno.. looking back it seems strange that i complete 180'd from industrial to idm.. they seem so close.. but so far apart in my eyes.. aaron systorm technologies www.systorm.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-17 18:48IDMKitten@aol.comIn a message dated 04/17/2000 2:30:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, step@systorm.com writes: <

From:: <IDMKitten@aol.com>
To:: <step@systorm.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:48:03 EDT
Subject:: Re: [idm] missing: romanticism

In a message dated 04/17/2000 2:30:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, step@systorm.com writes: << i think i bridged a very stange gap (please comment if i'm not alone) from very dark aggressive industrial tracks (tkk, nin, download, etc) to the more aggressive side of electronic.. older jungle, big beat, etc.. then i progressed into the sub-genre of idm.. i dunno.. looking back it seems strange that i complete 180'd from industrial to idm.. they seem so close.. but so far apart in my eyes.. >> same here, but throw in some sebadoh, pavement, and blues explosion and you've got my teen angst youth. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-17 18:58(K-RAA-K)³just go and watch a Dat Politics live set:)) You'll have romance for sure ----- Original M

From:: (K-RAA-K)³ <kraak@pandora.be>
To:: forel <forel@mac.com>, <SOMA806@aol.com>, <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:58:16 +0200
Subject:: Re: [idm] missing: romanticism

just go and watch a Dat Politics live set:)) You'll have romance for sure ----- Original Message ----- From: forel <forel@mac.com> To: <SOMA806@aol.com>; <idm@hyperreal.com> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [idm] missing: romanticism

quoted 2 lines I would have to agree. But ambient music usually tends to fill that need

> > I would have to agree. But ambient music usually tends to fill that need

for

quoted 1 line me (then again, I am a pretty detached person, so maybe it really

> me (then again, I am a pretty detached person, so maybe it really

doesn't).

quoted 4 lines SOMA806@aol.com wrote:

> > SOMA806@aol.com wrote: > > > I love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my

thoughts

quoted 1 line and time on my stereo, the one aspect of my life that seems unfulfilled

> > and time on my stereo, the one aspect of my life that seems unfulfilled

quoted 1 line romantacicim. I REALLY do get a feeling of unattachment for people (with

> > romantacicim. I REALLY do get a feeling of unattachment for people (with

quoted 1 line few acception eg. boygirl song, flim flam, tortoise, savath +savalas

> > few acception eg. boygirl song, flim flam, tortoise, savath +savalas

Some to

quoted 1 line ro coco rot). Does IDM ever make you feel like part of the lost

> > ro coco rot). Does IDM ever make you feel like part of the lost

generation??

quoted 2 lines Or am just going though a steril period. I think I'm going to blast some

> > Or am just going though a steril period. I think I'm going to blast some > > Dinosaur Jr. sonic youth, Fugazi and Mazzy star for a while. Call me

cheezy

quoted 1 line but those artist just refill some lost teenage 'angst'or needed

> > but those artist just refill some lost teenage 'angst'or needed

depression

quoted 1 line for loss of better word. Some time I feel like IDM gives me no emotion

> > for loss of better word. Some time I feel like IDM gives me no emotion

other

quoted 2 lines than interset in IDM. Sometime I want more. I need an un quantized human

> > than interset in IDM. Sometime I want more. I need an un quantized human > > touch. Mayde darkside of the moon is what I'm looking for, maybe some

sea and

quoted 12 lines cake. HELP! Am I the only one that gets like this some times?!

> > cake. HELP! Am I the only one that gets like this some times?! > > > -- forel > Is your toast as good as mine? I thought not. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-17 19:35zacharyAt 1:24 PM 4/17/0, SOMA806@aol.com wrote: >I love IDM, but I find that often after having

From:: zachary <zim200@is7.nyu.edu>
To:: <SOMA806@aol.com>, <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:35:52 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] missing: romanticism

At 1:24 PM 4/17/0, SOMA806@aol.com wrote:

quoted 9 lines I love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my thoughts

i know what you are talking about, man, but i think it's because you have attached those kinds of emotions to that music. if you are like me, you were listening to sonic youth, fugazi, dinosaur jr YEARS ago (don't get me wrong, i still put it on- i love it), and you were a much different person then. if, however, you are talking about a lack of melody or an overall lack of energy in the music, perhaps you need to check out something new! zachary zim200@is7.nyu.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-17 19:4272.03.24 161.70One of the most non-IDM emo-bands of the moment : Piano Magic. Check out their "Low Birth

From:: 72.03.24 161.70 <matthias.hoys@skynet.be>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:42:05 +0200
Subject:: Re: [idm] missing: romanticism

One of the most non-IDM emo-bands of the moment : Piano Magic. Check out their "Low Birth Weight" release from last year : a "new door" opened when I heard it for the first time ... ___________________ h o p e n e v e r d i e s ----- Original Message ----- From: K-RAA-K ³ <kraak@pandora.be> To: forel <forel@mac.com>; <SOMA806@aol.com>; <idm@hyperreal.com> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [idm] missing: romanticism

quoted 20 lines just go and watch a Dat Politics live set:)) You'll have romance for sure

> just go and watch a Dat Politics live set:)) You'll have romance for sure > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: forel <forel@mac.com> > To: <SOMA806@aol.com>; <idm@hyperreal.com> > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] missing: romanticism > > > > > > I would have to agree. But ambient music usually tends to fill that need > for > > me (then again, I am a pretty detached person, so maybe it really > doesn't). > > > > SOMA806@aol.com wrote: > > > > > I love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my > thoughts > > > and time on my stereo, the one aspect of my life that seems

unfulfilled

quoted 2 lines is

> is > > > romantacicim. I REALLY do get a feeling of unattachment for people

(with

quoted 6 lines a

> a > > > few acception eg. boygirl song, flim flam, tortoise, savath +savalas > Some to > > > ro coco rot). Does IDM ever make you feel like part of the lost > generation?? > > > Or am just going though a steril period. I think I'm going to blast

some

quoted 7 lines Dinosaur Jr. sonic youth, Fugazi and Mazzy star for a while. Call me

> > > Dinosaur Jr. sonic youth, Fugazi and Mazzy star for a while. Call me > cheezy > > > but those artist just refill some lost teenage 'angst'or needed > depression > > > for loss of better word. Some time I feel like IDM gives me no emotion > other > > > than interset in IDM. Sometime I want more. I need an un quantized

human

quoted 21 lines touch. Mayde darkside of the moon is what I'm looking for, maybe some

> > > touch. Mayde darkside of the moon is what I'm looking for, maybe some > sea and > > > cake. HELP! Am I the only one that gets like this some times?! > > > > > > -- forel > > Is your toast as good as mine? I thought not. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-17 21:17Ron JeremySOMA: I love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my thoughts and time

From:: Ron Jeremy <galactic_funk@hotmail.com>
To:: <SOMA806@aol.com>, <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:17:00 PDT
Subject:: Re: [idm] missing: romanticism

SOMA: I love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my thoughts and time on my stereo, the one aspect of my life that seems unfulfilled is romantacicim. RJ: Eat chocolate when you listen to IDM. That should solve everything. What is it about IDM that dominates your thoughts? I think a lot about music, mostly what is coming out that week or what shows to see. Are you trying to add some sort of philosophical content with regard to artists/music or genres? I just want to see where your coming from? SOMA: I REALLY do get a feeling of unattachment for people (with a few acception eg. boygirl song, flim flam, tortoise, savath +savalas Some to ro coco rot). Does IDM ever make you feel like part of the lost generation?? RJ: I personally don't think the music you listen to would have anything to do with it. I think whatever you are really passionate about can alienate you a little from other people. However, I think some personality types do gravitate to certain styles of music. I don't feel like I have much in common with the "average joe", because I don't accept everything put in front of me. That is pretty much my nature to question everything. I don't like a lot of crap movies or major label music. And something like 90% of the people that I run into (other than friends) accept that stuff as being good. Why? That is one I don't understand or really even care to understand. SOMA: Or am just going though a steril period. RJ: Time to switch from briefs to boxers. Yohimbe can help you get wood. Sorry, I had to make a joke :) SOMA: I think I'm going to blast some Dinosaur Jr. sonic youth, Fugazi and Mazzy star for a while. RJ: Sonic Youth is always good! SOMA: Some time I feel like IDM gives me no emotion other than interset in IDM. RJ: I disagree. I think Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works Vol 2, some Autechre, Beaumont Hannant - Texturology, and much more all have alot of emotion in it. It's kind of melancholic. Melancholic isn't very sexy to some people. SOMA: Sometime I want more. I need an un quantized human touch. Mayde darkside of the moon is what I'm looking for, maybe some sea and cake. HELP! Am I the only one that gets like this some times?! RJ: I don't think music is the issue, it's more how you approach life. If your life is only to record stores and listening to tunes, then it makes it harder to meet people. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-17 22:09SOMA806@aol.comDon't get me wrong, when I said dominate my thoughts, I only meant that when I listen to I

From:: <SOMA806@aol.com>
To:: <galactic_funk@hotmail.com>, <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:09:20 EDT
Subject:: Re: [idm] missing: romanticism

Don't get me wrong, when I said dominate my thoughts, I only meant that when I listen to IDM I am more concious about HOw the trrack was made etc. What kind of beat is going on (pobably caus I make the stuff). I didn't mean I only sit around and daydream about meeting RDJ. (although that happens once in a blue moon) I appreaciate all your responses and feel a lot more comfortable on this list knowing how broad everyone's listening styles are (Hi-fidelity is slowly becomming surreal). There is emo/electronic stuf out ther i agree, but it can't caputre the sam feelings as 6 records from Lue Barlow about some girl who dichted him. To me the story that takes place from smash you head on the punk rock to harmacy can't be touched in the same way by any clicks an cuts. Just my oppinion though. I still listen to way more Autechre than Sebadoh just pointing something out. MJ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-17 22:11StevieI have to agree with most of the things that have been said on this topic. Last week I spe

From:: Stevie <stevie@ignition.org.uk>
To:: [IDM] <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:11:48 +0100
Subject:: [idm] Re: missing: romanticism

I have to agree with most of the things that have been said on this topic. Last week I spent two or three days working on an assignment for my degree course (gotta design a mic amp!) and listening to my Aphex Twin collection on random play. Towards the end of this time, I started to feel a little...detached. So I thought I'd change the music...put on some FSOL. Nope..still feel funny. Changed to Cypress Hill and the Beastie Boys for a total change of scene. This didn't really work and the only thing that brought me back to normality was a good dose of Liszt with a Queen chaser. Somehow, (and I'm not knocking AFX) I became drained by the music. I dunno, it's difficult to express exactly how I was feeling at the time, but it was kind of frustrated...I couldn't get my mind to focus properly. What I needed was some SOUL. There's plenty of IDM around with emotional content (Mu-Ziq - 'Balsa Lightning'; Biosphere - 'Sphere Of No Form'; for examples) and there's heaps with energy...but that's not enough. It's relatively easy to create music with emotion and energy, it's harder to really hold the listener's interest for 10 minutes...the ultimate challenge is to be able to program music with soul. A live band like Queen (or Prince when he did Sexy MF) have soul oozing out of their pores. There's something that happens when music is programmed and it isn't to do with quantization or conversion from analogue to digital. I don't know why, but for me...somehow it seems to lose its soul. Maybe I'm not explaining myself properly...does anybody see what I'm trying to get at? Stevie.

quoted 4 lines I love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my thoughts

quoted 1 line ro coco rot). Does IDM ever make you feel like part of the lost

> ro coco rot). Does IDM ever make you feel like part of the lost

generation??

quoted 2 lines Or am just going though a steril period. I think I'm going to blast some

> Or am just going though a steril period. I think I'm going to blast some > Dinosaur Jr. sonic youth, Fugazi and Mazzy star for a while. Call me

cheezy

quoted 2 lines but those artist just refill some lost teenage 'angst'or needed depression

> but those artist just refill some lost teenage 'angst'or needed depression > for loss of better word. Some time I feel like IDM gives me no emotion

other

quoted 2 lines than interset in IDM. Sometime I want more. I need an un quantized human

> than interset in IDM. Sometime I want more. I need an un quantized human > touch. Mayde darkside of the moon is what I'm looking for, maybe some sea

and

quoted 1 line cake. HELP! Am I the only one that gets like this some times?!

> cake. HELP! Am I the only one that gets like this some times?!

--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-18 02:11zachary>Somehow, (and I'm not knocking AFX) I became drained by the music. I dunno, >it's difficu

From:: zachary <zim200@is7.nyu.edu>
To:: Stevie <stevie@ignition.org.uk>, [IDM] <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:11:20 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Re: missing: romanticism

quoted 4 lines Somehow, (and I'm not knocking AFX) I became drained by the music. I dunno,

>Somehow, (and I'm not knocking AFX) I became drained by the music. I dunno, >it's difficult to express exactly how I was feeling at the time, but it was >kind of frustrated...I couldn't get my mind to focus properly. What I needed >was some SOUL.

i can't speak for anyone else on this list, but i ASSUME and *hope* most (if not all of us) listen to more than just IDM. personally, i definitely can't listen to one style of music all the time- it gets tiring! i enjoy all types of music and have only recently (last couple of years) begun listening to the likes of BOC, aphex, squarepusher, oval, MOM, FSOL, etc, etc, etc. i'm the type that'll put on "feed me weird things" next to stevie wonder, next to joni mitchell, next to john coltrane, next to my bloody valentine, next to blackalicious, next to shakti... you get the point. i think it is really important to have a wide taste in music whether you are an IDM/hip-hop/indie/jazz/R&B/whatever head. music doesn't evolve in a vacuum. as for soul, i can feel a lot of the aforementioned artists, but after listening to three oval cdees in a row (or any three cdees in a row for that matter), i need to put something else on! zachary zim200@is7.nyu.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-18 08:03Colin King-Bailey----- Original Message ----- From: Colin King-Bailey <ckingbai@ucsd.edu> To: Stevie <stevi

From:: Colin King-Bailey <ckingbai@ucsd.edu>
To:: idm <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:03:51 -0700
Subject:: [idm] Fw: [idm] Re: missing: romanticism

----- Original Message ----- From: Colin King-Bailey <ckingbai@ucsd.edu> To: Stevie <stevie@ignition.org.uk> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [idm] Re: missing: romanticism

quoted 1 line yeah, i think you're getting back to the whole poetry thing that someone

> yeah, i think you're getting back to the whole poetry thing that someone

quoted 2 lines this thread was talking about. i think the sound of a human voice carries

> this thread was talking about. i think the sound of a human voice carries > more emotion than electronic sounds tend to, or ultimately can. and i

think

quoted 9 lines the cultural tradition and the organacy (organicness?) of a guitar band

> the cultural tradition and the organacy (organicness?) of a guitar band > carry emotion, too. > > Colin > > > There's plenty of IDM around with emotional content (Mu-Ziq - 'Balsa > > Lightning'; Biosphere - 'Sphere Of No Form'; for examples) and there's > heaps > > with energy...but that's not enough. It's relatively easy to create

music

quoted 15 lines with emotion and energy, it's harder to really hold the listener's

> > with emotion and energy, it's harder to really hold the listener's > interest > > for 10 minutes...the ultimate challenge is to be able to program music > with > > soul. A live band like Queen (or Prince when he did Sexy MF) have soul > > oozing out of their pores. There's something that happens when music is > > programmed and it isn't to do with quantization or conversion from > analogue > > to digital. I don't know why, but for me...somehow it seems to lose its > > soul. > > > > Maybe I'm not explaining myself properly...does anybody see what I'm > trying > > to get at? >

--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-18 17:10Nick ZavrievWell, maybe all electronic music lacks emotion, but IDM is one of the most emotional and r

From:: Nick Zavriev <ambi@mu.ru>
To:: <idm@Hyperreal.Org>
Date:: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:10:03 +0400
Subject:: Re: [idm] missing: romanticism

Well, maybe all electronic music lacks emotion, but IDM is one of the most emotional and romantic electronic genres IMO. Actually, this is why I like it so much :) I used to listen to lot of 80-s new wave / synth pop and I find the same neo romantic aura in many IDM records. Bochum Welt, d'Arcangelo, Mat-101, Arovane, Orbital (at least 'In Sides') have the same emotional feel. What this music really lacks is some sexual energy, but it can be found in funkier examples of IDM (maybe jake slazenger...) Nick.

quoted 4 lines I love IDM, but I find that often after having let it dominate my thoughts

quoted 1 line ro coco rot). Does IDM ever make you feel like part of the lost

> ro coco rot). Does IDM ever make you feel like part of the lost

generation??

quoted 2 lines Or am just going though a steril period. I think I'm going to blast some

> Or am just going though a steril period. I think I'm going to blast some > Dinosaur Jr. sonic youth, Fugazi and Mazzy star for a while. Call me

cheezy

quoted 2 lines but those artist just refill some lost teenage 'angst'or needed depression

> but those artist just refill some lost teenage 'angst'or needed depression > for loss of better word. Some time I feel like IDM gives me no emotion

other

quoted 2 lines than interset in IDM. Sometime I want more. I need an un quantized human

> than interset in IDM. Sometime I want more. I need an un quantized human > touch. Mayde darkside of the moon is what I'm looking for, maybe some sea

and

quoted 7 lines cake. HELP! Am I the only one that gets like this some times?!

--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org