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quoted 3 lines Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:50:15 -0700 (PDT)

>Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:50:15 -0700 (PDT) >From: Brett McCormick <brett@chicken.org> >Subject: (idm) "buy a turntable" (was re: gescom cd)

quoted 2 lines While I thank everyone for the suggestion to "buy a turntable", don't

>While I thank everyone for the suggestion to "buy a turntable", don't >you think if I could afford one, I'd already have it?

quoted 3 lines In any case, I think there are plenty of good reasons to press a

>In any case, I think there are plenty of good reasons to press a >gescom CD. It would make the material available to a wider audience, >and not just those with turntables.

quoted 3 lines I'll be getting one in the future I'm sure (as soon as I've saved up

>I'll be getting one in the future I'm sure (as soon as I've saved up >for it), but until then, I have to put up with whatever people decide >to release on cd.

quoted 1 line - --brett

>- --brett

no i think there are really not so many reasons to press a gescom cd. i believe many people think the same way i do about vinyl. i think people who don't have turntables don't really need to hear the music, it is not designed for them. music changes completely when it's pressed on a cd. it loses the warm, original sound of vinyl recordings and becomes a consumer product. for me, the 'personality' of vinyl 12"'s is an important part of the music and the product. cd's are for people who don't really care about music, they're for people who buy their music from department stores.. buy a turntable! np: vulva - blue phonkians Sire One Coupe Devil Graphics

Travis L. Combel writes:

quoted 4 lines I am personally insulted by your bullshit generalization. I don't want to

> I am personally insulted by your bullshit generalization. I don't want to > get into the CD vs. Vinyl argument, but I don't think you can speak for all > the musicians making the music. One of our list members pointed out having > to cut bass out of his track to get it on CD.

uh, that was me. except they had to cut the bass to get it on VINYL. (just to clarify: they COULD have left it the way it was but it would have made most tonearms skip around like a 5 year old on crank.) i shudder to think what will happen to my jungle tracks... -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com SpotMedia Communications ...I was an infinitely hot and dense dot...

quoted 2 lines who don't really care about music, they're for people who buy their music

>>who don't really care about music, they're for people who buy their music >>from department stores..

quoted 4 lines I am personally insulted by your bullshit generalization. I don't want to

>I am personally insulted by your bullshit generalization. I don't want to >get into the CD vs. Vinyl argument, but I don't think you can speak for all >the musicians making the music. One of our list members pointed out having >to cut bass out of his track to get it on CD.

quoted 9 lines Let's see, kF, do you not want me to hear your music because I don't own a

>Let's see, kF, do you not want me to hear your music because I don't own a >turntable? How about the other musicians on the list? When I put tracks >out, I'll make sure they exceed the limits of vinyl so it will only be on >CD. I care enough about music to have a small DIGITAL workstation set up >in my home consisting of a P166, 32MB RAM, 3 GB of SCSI HD space, a >Pinnacle with DIGITAL I/O, a 12 channel 4 bus mixer, a MIDI Kat 3.5 (with 2 >pole cats and a kick kat), an Alesis SR 16, and a Korg Prophecy, but I >guess I'll be selling my music in department stores to others who don't >care about music.

damn, you guys are taking this all a bit seriously... just because i didn't put an IMO to the original message you're freaking out... i don't want to argue about the sound quality or portability of different mediums of music storage, but the 'personality' of the medium. for me, cds don't sound right. for you, they do. i have collected cds for some years, but when i bought my sl-1200 i instantly stopped buying cds because i was amazed by the 'warm' sound of vinyl recordings and the amount of interesting music available on vinyl only. of course you can never understand this. of course i can never speak on the behalf of recording artists, but i see no reason why some labels and artists simply don't simply release cds if they want a wide audience. in my opinion, this is because they don't necessarily want global domination, but to fill the needs of the scene, the people who usually buy 12"'s. this way, the music is MAINLY made for people buying vinyl. of course this is just my point of view, but i think there are people who see things the same way because they keep pressing 12"'s instead of cds, which are cheaper to manufacture. plus, vinyl has all the nostalgia needed =). 12"'s are an important part of electronic music, because new artists usually release their stuff in this medium. to keep up with new music, you have to listen to 12"'s and demos. this is what i meant when i used the department store metaphor.

quoted 1 line I think CD's may have more 'personality' than you. I will not rely on

>I think CD's may have more 'personality' than you. I will not rely on

you don't need to take this so fucking personally. np: gescom - key nell 2 easy does it Sire One Coupe Devil Graphics

You should have known I couldn't let this pass... On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Sire wrote:

quoted 7 lines i think people who don't have turntables don't really need to hear the

> i think people who don't have turntables don't really need to hear the > music, it is not designed for them. music changes completely when it's > pressed on a cd. it loses the warm, original sound of vinyl recordings and > becomes a consumer product. for me, the 'personality' of vinyl 12"'s > is an important part of the music and the product. cd's are for people > who don't really care about music, they're for people who buy their music > from department stores..

You've got it backwards - music changes completely when pressed to vinyl. On CD it sounds a lot more like the master tape (in many cases identical). On vinyl it has less bass, less high-end, less stereo depth, added surface noise, added low frequency rumble, and added pops. Vinyl is for people who can't hear well and would rather sit in their room looking at record sleeves than take their music with them where ever they go. If you want to hear what your vinyl REALLY sounds like, plug your turntable into the AUX input instead of the PHONO input. It's a lot easier to make a CD sound like vinyl than make vinyl sound like a CD. Che (does anyone know where my hands are?)

That has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard -- I don't care about music because I don't have a turntable? I am sorry for for starting the whole thread, but I think this is a little extreme. The real reason I haven't been saving for a table is I can't stop buying the music now that I'm hooked, and there are a fair amount of CD releases to choose from. The problem is once I buy a turntable, I need an amp & speakers as well (we're currently borrowing some from a friend). So, essentially, I need to buy an entire stereo, which will take a while. Not to bore you with my financial problems of course, but it can be quite frustrating, especially hearing about it all the time.. this thread must now die... --brett On Wed, 6 August 1997, at 01:54:43, Sire wrote:

quoted 15 lines i think people who don't have turntables don't really need to hear the

> i think people who don't have turntables don't really need to hear the > music, it is not designed for them. music changes completely when it's > pressed on a cd. it loses the warm, original sound of vinyl recordings and > becomes a consumer product. for me, the 'personality' of vinyl 12"'s > is an important part of the music and the product. cd's are for people > who don't really care about music, they're for people who buy their music > from department stores.. > > buy a turntable! > > np: vulva - blue phonkians > > Sire One > Coupe Devil Graphics >

cd's are for people

quoted 2 lines who don't really care about music, they're for people who buy their music

>who don't really care about music, they're for people who buy their music >from department stores..

ha ha ha ha ... what a bunch of shit. markw@southwind.net

music doesn't sound good unless the turntable is hand cranked. electric motors kill the sound. -steve On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, mark weddle wrote:

quoted 12 lines cd's are for people

> > cd's are for people > >who don't really care about music, they're for people who buy their music > >from department stores.. > > ha ha ha ha ... what a bunch of shit. > > > markw@southwind.net > > >

quoted 2 lines music doesn't sound good unless the turntable is hand cranked. electric

> music doesn't sound good unless the turntable is hand cranked. electric > motors kill the sound.

But what do you do about rachet flutter? -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists

that's part of the warm fuzzy feeling that is *real* listening. It's like tape hiss on 8-tracks -steve On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Lazlo Nibble wrote:

quoted 9 lines music doesn't sound good unless the turntable is hand cranked. electric

> > music doesn't sound good unless the turntable is hand cranked. electric > > motors kill the sound. > > But what do you do about rachet flutter? > > -- > ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) > ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists >

The discussion about portability reminds me of the portable "scratch station" the Vandals were using circa 1988. It was a toy record player that the singer wore around his neck that actually worked. Hilarious stuff. I also remember that before the advent of car CD players, there were turntables designed for use inside of motorhomes and semi-trucks. Who knows? You might be able to find them cheap at garage sales.

On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Pete Ashdown wrote:

quoted 3 lines I also remember that before the advent of car CD players, there were

> I also remember that before the advent of car CD players, there were > turntables designed for use inside of motorhomes and semi-trucks. Who > knows? You might be able to find them cheap at garage sales.

Err.... this is kinda irrelevant, but for those who are finally getting around to buying their own turntables.... want a technics 1200, and don't have the cash for it..... I bought myself the first of a new breed of clones: the gemini pt-1000. Cost me a mere $420 Canadian.... a fraction of the cost of a T1200. If I can answer any questions for anyone, I'd be more than pleased..... it has been getting a lot of play since I bought it last month. BTW: For those that care, mono symptoms are almost gone. I have a handful of goodies I picked up in the uk I want to share, including new universal language 12"'s and some spanky jungle singles.... Oh, and I move to Pittsburgh in 10 days. More on that later. obIDM: Guess I got some catching up to do.... all I can say is after hearing the new Fatboy Slim, the artist may be just another Chemical Brothers clone, but he sure knows how to wield a 303..... wow! Aaron

quoted 6 lines to cut bass out of his track to get it on CD.

>> to cut bass out of his track to get it on CD. > >uh, that was me. except they had to cut the bass to get it on VINYL. > >(just to clarify: they COULD have left it the way it was but it would >have made most tonearms skip around like a 5 year old on crank.)

Thanks, I slipped up. I'm Pro CD (who cares what the Pope says). _ / \ /\ /__/ \ / \ \ / \AVIS \\\\ ravis1@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~ravis1/