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1997-04-01 08:48Chris Sattinger Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca
└─ 1997-04-01 20:01The Rare Guy Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca
1997-04-02 04:09Chris Sattinger Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca
└─ 1997-04-02 09:16The Rare Guy Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca
└─ 1997-04-02 14:16Mikko Karvonen Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca
└─ 1997-04-02 09:41The Rare Guy Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca
1997-04-02 04:19Chris Fahey RE: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca
└─ 1997-04-02 09:30The Rare Guy RE: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca
1997-04-02 15:02Ravis1 Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca
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1997-04-02 15:56Chris Fahey RE: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca
1997-04-02 22:54Matt Cuttler Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca
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1997-04-03 00:13Brock Suter Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca
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1997-04-01 08:48Chris SattingerOk, just to be totally difficult..... I read this article and thought it wasn't all that b
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Ok, just to be totally difficult..... I read this article and thought it wasn't all that bad. What the article was about was the INDUSTRY HYPE. Who started it ? Its a media thing, and the article in question was basically debunking all the hype and making rational statements about the actual state of the industry. i.e.
quoted 6 lines     In a survey of more than a dozen U.S. record>    In a survey of more than a dozen U.S. record > executives by Calendar, only one >thought there was > even remotely enough evidence to >justify calling techno > "the next big thing."
The article was about the pathetically huge lemming factor involved in this, the biggest media music hype on record. It was not about introducing readers to lots of really small electronica artists that no-one in the business world gives a fuck about but you think are crucial because they do really intelligent things with breakbeats. It was about the self perpetuating media hype. In that case it was extremely important to cover the bowie, the u2, the (still can't get over this one) eric clapton. the major label prospects of prodigy, chems etc. Why did you expect it to cover every single one of the 50 or so groups that I can think of that are on the second tier ? Aurafix said....
quoted 3 lines heh.. this was quite laughable.. "If the Prodigy bombs out, then techno is>heh.. this was quite laughable.. "If the Prodigy bombs out, then techno is >dead." If that's the case, then rock-pop would have been dead when New >Kids On The Block came out :D
No, sorry, what the article said was the exact opposite :
quoted 23 lines The "Firestarter" single has sold an estimated>The "Firestarter" single has sold an estimated > 225,000 copies in the U.S. ...  The performance of that >album--and a collection due April 8 from the Chemical >Brothers--is likely to be widely viewed as a test of the >commercial strength of techno music itself. >    Al Cafaro, chairman and CEO at >A&M, warns against > expecting immediate results. >   "If the Prodigy album is a bomb, >you may have a > lot of people who are saying techno >is the next big thing > suddenly declare techno dead and move >on to something > else," he says. "I think a purposeful >exploration of > techno music is the right thing to >do, but you've got to > look at it long term. If you think >you are going to sign a > techno band and see it blow up in two >months, I think > you are asking for trouble. . . ."
Aurafix again...
quoted 3 lines was also hillarious when they actually mentioned mr.loser himself Bill> >was also hillarious when they actually mentioned mr.loser himself Bill >Gates, and how he is killing the record-scene :)
That I thought was pretty perceptive. There is a new and very large media out there with video games and computers, that is taking a lot of money that might have been spent on records. Its true, why do you think that its not ? Because you (or I for that matter) spend lots of money on records ? These guys do research, believe it.
quoted 1 line __\ \ Aurafix aka Hillie> __\ \ Aurafix aka Hillie
btw. I'm not flaming YOU !!!! Just gotta point out these things. I've read plenty of really really bullshit articles about the electronica hype thing, and this one actually had some interesting stuff to say. Now here's a great quote you can rag on :
quoted 2 lines Don Ienner,>Don Ienner, > president of Columbia Records,
quoted 7 lines  "Techno is only sonically>  "Techno is only sonically >enhancing or dressing up > what you have. You can put whatever >dress or suit you > want on any person. It's the artist >and the song, not > what suit you're wearing."
what's a song ? I ferget. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - YOU DON'T HAVE TO FUCK PEOPLE OVER TO SURVIVE - Chris Sattinger new records : Subvoice / MISSILE UK 2 x 12" NEW RELEASES - DISCOGRAPHY - INFO http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m082/satti002/ChrisSattinger.html US Techno House Business Resource : http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m082/satti002/DanceLabel.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1997-04-01 20:01The Rare GuyOn Tuesday, 01-Apr-97, Chris Sattinger wrote [about Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final si
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On Tuesday, 01-Apr-97, Chris Sattinger wrote [about Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca]:
quoted 1 line No, sorry, what the article said was the exact opposite :>No, sorry, what the article said was the exact opposite :
quoted 11 lines   "If the Prodigy album is a bomb,>>   "If the Prodigy album is a bomb, >>you may have a >> lot of people who are saying techno >>is the next big thing >> suddenly declare techno dead and move >>on to something >> else," he says. "I think a purposeful >>exploration of >> techno music is the right thing to >>do, but you've got to >> look at it long term. If you think
Basically implying what I said.
quoted 4 lines Aurafix again...>Aurafix again... >> >>was also hillarious when they actually mentioned mr.loser himself Bill >>Gates, and how he is killing the record-scene :)
quoted 1 line That I thought was pretty perceptive. There is a new and very large media>That I thought was pretty perceptive. There is a new and very large media
out
quoted 1 line there with video games and computers, that is taking a lot of money that>there with video games and computers, that is taking a lot of money that
might
quoted 3 lines have been spent on records. Its true, why do you think that its not ?>have been spent on records. Its true, why do you think that its not ? >Because you (or I for that matter) spend lots of money on records ? These >guys do research, believe it.
well, no one I know of spends more money on computers or video games than they do on cd's. I mean, of course computer stuffs are more expensive, but they don't replace buying cd's. That's just all the people I know though ;)
quoted 3 lines btw. I'm not flaming YOU !!!! Just gotta point out these things. I've read>btw. I'm not flaming YOU !!!! Just gotta point out these things. I've read >plenty of really really bullshit articles about the electronica hype thing, >and this one actually had some interesting stuff to say.
heh ok. :) I have to agree with Gonzi, it's pretty obvious this guy has no clue about electronica or what it's "supporters" think is the good stuff. I mean, we are the "supporters" as he calls us, and we certainly (at least the majority) don't think that The Prodigy, Chemical Bros. and whatever the heck Eric Clapton's techno project is called is what we believe to be good electronica. I never even heard of some of the groups mentioned. Personally, I thought the article with AFX in Newsweek was better, sure it had Prodigy and chem. Bros, but it also had AFX, Orbital, FSOL.. three pretty good examples of electronica. Also had Josh Wink and Daft Punk, good examples of IDM. (daft punk is house = not electronica? anyone?) Of course this article did have more information on the decline of the pop-rock record sales, but this was given by the interviewees and not the author. -- __ __\ \ Aurafix aka Hillie / PHD ^ DAMONES (aka Rare Guy) / /_\ \ http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html \_____/ >> buh@clark.net >> < > .. >> .<>> >> > , m7= inducing mindwaves.. electronic techno muuusik controlled manually by a p h e x t wi n .. .. . . .
1997-04-02 04:09Chris Sattinger>I have to agree with Gonzi, it's pretty obvious this guy has no clue about >electronica o
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quoted 6 lines I have to agree with Gonzi, it's pretty obvious this guy has no clue about>I have to agree with Gonzi, it's pretty obvious this guy has no clue about >electronica or what it's "supporters" think is the good stuff. I mean, we >are the "supporters" as he calls us, and we certainly (at least the >majority) don't think that The Prodigy, Chemical Bros. and whatever the heck >Eric Clapton's techno project is called is what we believe to be good >electronica.
What makes good "Electronica" is quite besides the point, isn't it ? What sells and what is likely to "save the record industry". That is what the article was about, not what you and I happen to think is good music. God knows the stuff I buy isn't going to buy any record exec a limo. That's the only reason I suggest you cut the guy some slack. He wasn't repeat WAS NOT attempting to introduce anybody to anything culturally significant (in our eyes and ears). He was writing about the MTV Amp show having triggered a massive industry frenzy and basically what a joke that was. He was writing about BIG business.
quoted 1 line I never even heard of some of the groups mentioned.> I never even heard of some of the groups mentioned.
That's okay, I still haven't even heard the Macarena or the Spice Girls. Didn't even know who they were until it was a major part of US culture.
quoted 5 lines Personally, I thought the article with AFX in Newsweek was better, sure it> >Personally, I thought the article with AFX in Newsweek was better, sure it >had Prodigy and chem. Bros, but it also had AFX, Orbital, FSOL.. three >pretty good examples of electronica. Also had Josh Wink and Daft Punk, good >examples of IDM. (daft punk is house = not electronica? anyone?)
IDM ? excuse me ? C'mon man, the article WASN'T ABOUT OUR FAVORITE MUSIC. It was about Mall Shit, big sellers etc. Next years Lollapalooza. The term electronica under the current media fascination refers to anybody with a bunch of electronics and a kind of DJ heritage. ie. yes Daft Punk is electronica under that definition. Sorry, Electronica used to mean kind of pure electronic (art) music that wasn't neccessarily for dancing. I liked that definition myself, but now the word has gone elsewhere and there ain't shit we can do about it. (and why should we care ?) Ok, now I'll shut up :) Enjoy the real music y'all.
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1997-04-02 09:16The Rare GuyOn Wednesday, 02-Apr-97, Chris Sattinger wrote [about Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final
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On Wednesday, 02-Apr-97, Chris Sattinger wrote [about Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca]:
quoted 2 lines IDM ? excuse me ? C'mon man, the article WASN'T ABOUT OUR FAVORITE>IDM ? excuse me ? C'mon man, the article WASN'T ABOUT OUR FAVORITE >MUSIC. It was about Mall Shit, big sellers etc. Next years
I only said IDM cos I'm not sure is Daft Punk electronica. -- __ __\ \ Aurafix aka Hillie / PHD ^ DAMONES (aka Rare Guy) / /_\ \ http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html \_____/ >> buh@clark.net >> < > .. >> .<>> >> > , m7= inducing mindwaves.. electronic techno muuusik controlled manually by a p h e x t wi n .. .. . . .
1997-04-02 14:16Mikko KarvonenOn 02-Apr-97, The Rare Guy wrote: >On Wednesday, 02-Apr-97, Chris Sattinger wrote [about R
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On 02-Apr-97, The Rare Guy wrote:
quoted 4 lines On Wednesday, 02-Apr-97, Chris Sattinger wrote [about Re: (idm) Gonzi's and>On Wednesday, 02-Apr-97, Chris Sattinger wrote [about Re: (idm) Gonzi's and >cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca]: >>IDM ? excuse me ? C'mon man, the article WASN'T ABOUT OUR FAVORITE >>MUSIC. It was about Mall Shit, big sellers etc. Next years
quoted 1 line I only said IDM cos I'm not sure is Daft Punk electronica.>I only said IDM cos I'm not sure is Daft Punk electronica.
why do you have to put all the music in some cathegory? I just bought Jimi Tenor's intervision and imho it's not "electronica" or "IDM" just because it's on warp.. it's actually pretty boring and easy-to-listen music. well that's my first impression, should listen to it more take me to the edge of explosion -- .Mikko
1997-04-02 09:41The Rare GuyOn Wednesday, 02-Apr-97, Mikko Karvonen wrote [about Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final s
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On Wednesday, 02-Apr-97, Mikko Karvonen wrote [about Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca]:
quoted 1 line I only said IDM cos I'm not sure is Daft Punk electronica.>>I only said IDM cos I'm not sure is Daft Punk electronica.
quoted 2 lines why do you have to put all the music in some cathegory? I just bought Jimi>why do you have to put all the music in some cathegory? I just bought Jimi >Tenor's intervision and imho it's not "electronica" or "IDM" just because
it's
quoted 1 line on warp.. it's actually pretty boring and easy-to-listen music. well that's>on warp.. it's actually pretty boring and easy-to-listen music. well that's
my
quoted 1 line first impression, should listen to it more>first impression, should listen to it more
It's the title of this list :) I think everyone puts music into categories for some reason or other, whether they say you shouldn't or not. (ie: jungle, drum'n'bass and why you shoulnd't call it jungle, ambient, ambient techno) In fact, I've found myself lately being forced to 'label' it in order to identify it :p I thought Intervision one of the best albums I've heard this year :) -- __ __\ \ Aurafix aka Hillie / PHD ^ DAMONES (aka Rare Guy) / /_\ \ http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html \_____/ >> buh@clark.net >> < > .. >> .<>> >> > , m7= inducing mindwaves.. electronic techno muuusik controlled manually by a p h e x t wi n .. .. . . .
1997-04-02 04:19Chris Fahey-----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of The Rare Guy ... I mean, we are the "support
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-----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of The Rare Guy ... I mean, we are the "supporters" as he calls us, and we certainly (at least the majority) don't think that The Prodigy, Chemical Bros. and whatever the heck Eric Clapton's techno project is called is what we believe to be good electronica. I never even heard of some of the groups mentioned. If you look at what all the 15-20 year old "rave" kids with the baggy pants and the colored hair and the tongue peircings and the "I'm so freaky" attitude are listening to, you'll see that its the Prodigy, Chemical Brothers, Orbital, Underworld, etc. And probably U2. It's the same as back in the mid 80's when the hip english dance music of the time hit mainstream - the Cure, New Order, Love and Rockets, etc. (And I think electronica will be just as unsuccessful, i.e., rawk will still win) What happened is the number of makeup-wearing boys and wastrel vampira girls actually INCREASED even as the core listening groups of that scene tried to disavow themselves of having ever liked the cure or whatever and turned back inwards to their Wedding Parties and their Falls and their Cabaret Voltaire. There's a huge scene of these kids. 99% of them probably never heard of Squarepusher or even aphex. The most exciting thing they will ever do in their life is X at a New Years Eve rave. They are dumb ass kids who like prodigy because they saw it on MTV. And when all these articles talk about a "burgeoning scene" of electronica, they mean ONLY those 5 or six electronic bands which MTV has in regular rotation. AMP is already going downhill, just as 120 minutes did ten years ago. It'll always have some of our freinds on it (just as 120 minutes does even now) but not quite as many. NOTE: I do not mean to offend you freaky looking people out there. I think those freaky rave kids look super sexy and much better than their grunge, jock, punk, metal, or whatever counterparts. I am freaky looking. But that's just genetics. -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of The Rare Guy ... I mean, we are the "supporters" as he calls us, and we certainly (at least the majority) don't think that The Prodigy, Chemical Bros. and whatever the heck Eric Clapton's techno project is called is what we believe to be good electronica. I never even heard of some of the groups mentioned.
1997-04-02 09:30The Rare GuyOn Wednesday, 02-Apr-97, Chris Fahey wrote [about RE: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign
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On Wednesday, 02-Apr-97, Chris Fahey wrote [about RE: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca]:
quoted 4 lines If you look at what all the 15-20 year old "rave" kids with the baggy>If you look at what all the 15-20 year old "rave" kids with the baggy >pants and the colored hair and the tongue peircings and the "I'm so >freaky" attitude are listening to, you'll see that its the Prodigy, >Chemical Brothers, Orbital, Underworld, etc. And probably U2.
Certainly not U2, but the others yeah. but even I like at least some of Orbital's stuff. but also the "rave" kids aren't the ones saying that the mainstreaming of electronica will lead to a watered down version of it, they are already listening to the watered down versions (or killed versions? :)
quoted 2 lines There's a huge scene of these kids. 99% of them probably never heard of>There's a huge scene of these kids. 99% of them probably never heard of >Squarepusher or even aphex. The most exciting thing they will ever do in
You can't blame them for that. In the US at least. I had never heard of AFX until last summer, and that was through some ppl from Europe on IRC.
quoted 4 lines NOTE: I do not mean to offend you freaky looking people out there. I>NOTE: I do not mean to offend you freaky looking people out there. I >think those freaky rave kids look super sexy and much better than their >grunge, jock, punk, metal, or whatever counterparts. I am freaky >looking. But that's just genetics.
you know, actually, colored hair and peirced tongues can also be punks :) I've seen lots of them here where I live. :D -- __ __\ \ Aurafix aka Hillie / PHD ^ DAMONES (aka Rare Guy) / /_\ \ http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html \_____/ >> buh@clark.net >> < > .. >> .<>> >> > , m7= inducing mindwaves.. electronic techno muuusik controlled manually by a p h e x t wi n .. .. . . .
1997-04-02 15:02Ravis1> ---------- > From: The Rare Guy <buh@clark.net> > To: IDM <idm@hyperreal.com> > Subject:
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quoted 15 lines ----------> ---------- > From: The Rare Guy <buh@clark.net> > To: IDM <idm@hyperreal.com> > Subject: RE: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca > Date: Wednesday, April 02, 1997 3:30 AM > > On Wednesday, 02-Apr-97, Chris Fahey wrote [about RE: (idm) Gonzi's and > cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca]: > >If you look at what all the 15-20 year old "rave" kids with the baggy > >pants and the colored hair and the tongue peircings and the "I'm so > >freaky" attitude are listening to, you'll see that its the Prodigy, > >Chemical Brothers, Orbital, Underworld, etc. And probably U2. > > Certainly not U2, but the others yeah. but even I like at least some of > Orbital's stuff.
This is getting ridiculous. I've only been listening to (general term) Techno for about 5 years. I classify all of this type of music under the Techno term. I like Orbital. I like FSOL's new stuff (and old stuff). I like the Prodigy. Nothing makes me want to dance (intelligently?) the way The Prodigy _Experience_ does (and its not exactly new to me either). I don't care what other people (including the cute little ravers) like. You shouldn't care what I like. Flame me. Fuck this holier than thou bullshit. Travis L. Combel Project Engineer ravis1@concentric.net Desk: (504) 371-3065 Fax: (504) 371-3160 Ravis1 e-mailing from work.
1997-04-02 15:18A New JanuaryOn Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Ravis1 wrote: > Fuck this holier than thou bullshit. AMEN brother! ===
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quoted 1 line Fuck this holier than thou bullshit.> Fuck this holier than thou bullshit.
AMEN brother! ========== primal@interaccess.com www.interaccess.com/primal/ A New January - electro/techno/synth music www.interaccess.com/primal/january/ ==========
1997-04-02 15:56Chris FaheyI'm not saying that Prodigy fans are inferior, or that you're a poseur if you haven't been
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I'm not saying that Prodigy fans are inferior, or that you're a poseur if you haven't been listening to techno since birth, or that you have to hide your secret past as an Allman Brothers, or anything like that. I don't think that the 99% (99.99999%) of the people out there who have never even heard of Derrick May are stupid or ignorant. I only meant to point out that almost everything we talk about on this list is still extremely esoteric compared to "what the kids are actually listening to". And I think that this is a shame. Pointing out this fact does not make me holier than thee - just realistic. It's just that in the US, because of the dominance of corporate media giants in controlling everything we see and hear, it's nearly impossible to see or hear anything but a small selection of what's being done in the arts. If you don't live in a major metropolitan area, you're shit out of luck if you want to easily get access to a lot of great music, art, performance, whatever. It's easier for MTV/radio to have 4 electronic bands which are all kinda good/mediocre rather than have dozens of artists, lots of EPs , alter egos, remixes, etc to burden their viewers with. This is not the kids fault. -CF
quoted 12 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: idm-owner@hyperreal.com [SMTP:idm-owner@hyperreal.com] On Behalf > Of Ravis1 > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 1997 10:03 AM > To: IDM > Subject: Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the > impending Apoca > > This is getting ridiculous. ... > > Fuck this holier than thou bullshit. >
1997-04-02 22:54Matt CuttlerChris Fahey wrote: > If you look at what all the 15-20 year old "rave" kids with the baggy
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Chris Fahey wrote:
quoted 4 lines If you look at what all the 15-20 year old "rave" kids with the baggy> If you look at what all the 15-20 year old "rave" kids with the baggy > pants and the colored hair and the tongue peircings and the "I'm so > freaky" attitude are listening to, you'll see that its the Prodigy, > Chemical Brothers, Orbital, Underworld, etc. And probably U2.
That's totally wrong.. all the 15-20 year old "rave" kids listen to megamixes and dj's and know nothing about the artists behind the music.. The 15-20 year old "rave" kids want 4/4 slamming music to take ecstasy too, not orbital. ..and stop dissing orbital. -matt
1997-04-02 23:25Brett McCormickHmmm.... Well, being a 15-20 year old "rave kid", I don't seem to have any baggy pants, co
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Brett McCormick
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Chris Fahey , 'IDM'
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Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:25:39 -0800 (PST)
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Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca
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Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca
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Hmmm.... Well, being a 15-20 year old "rave kid", I don't seem to have any baggy pants, colored hair, peircings NOR can I find my Prodigy (u2/underworld whatever) album that I didn't even know I had. Amazing that you knew, eh? Otherwise, where would I be? Ah yes, that's right, taking ecstasy. Thank you for that dose of stereotypical nonsense. I don't know who you know, but your description doesn't match ANY "rave" kid I know. Yes, I listen to dj's (who doesn't?) but I find that most "rave kids" I know *are* into the music, and, while they may not know as much as your exalted soul about the artists, they obviously have a lot more clue. And, they listen to a wide variety of "IDM" stuff (I don't actually know of many ppl who listen to the bands you mention). This provides great insight as to why this list is the way it is.. ...and stop dissing "rave kids" (also known as individual human beings).. blah. ;) --brett On Wed, 2 April 1997, at 17:54:16, Matt Cuttler wrote:
quoted 16 lines Chris Fahey wrote:> Chris Fahey wrote: > > > If you look at what all the 15-20 year old "rave" kids with the baggy > > pants and the colored hair and the tongue peircings and the "I'm so > > freaky" attitude are listening to, you'll see that its the Prodigy, > > Chemical Brothers, Orbital, Underworld, etc. And probably U2. > > That's totally wrong.. all the 15-20 year old "rave" kids listen to > megamixes and dj's and know nothing about the artists behind the music.. > > The 15-20 year old "rave" kids want 4/4 slamming music to take ecstasy > too, not orbital. > > ..and stop dissing orbital. > > -matt
1997-04-03 00:13Brock SuterOk, I've got purple hair, none of my clothes seem to fit very well (except the bellbottoms
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Brock Suter
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Wed, 02 Apr 1997 16:13:53 -0800
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Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca
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Ok, I've got purple hair, none of my clothes seem to fit very well (except the bellbottoms), my girlfriends got a thingy in her tounge (does that count?) and I've got a 'orbital' sticker on one of my flight cases, but since I really don't know much about music, I was wondering: Who the fuck did the rubber johnny ep? No, not the twinster nor his flatmate, but sure does have a viberty feel (and a few of his style B-lines and Breaks). Pretty slick (or is that sick) stuff. But then again, who likes the word 'poly' and makes titles like "Dickie's Magick Poppers"? Oh no, not woodenspoon all over again! blargly wargly, brockalockagus. np: what do you think?
1997-04-03 08:10Styrolene vaT> The 15-20 year old "rave" kids want 4/4 slamming music to take ecstasy > too, not orbita
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Styrolene vaT
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Thu, 03 Apr 1997 00:10:24 -0800
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Re: (idm) Gonzi's and cspot's final sign of the impending Apoca
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quoted 2 lines The 15-20 year old "rave" kids want 4/4 slamming music to take ecstasy> The 15-20 year old "rave" kids want 4/4 slamming music to take ecstasy > too, not orbital.
Yeah 15 year olds generally have better taste
quoted 1 line ..and stop dissing orbital.> ..and stop dissing orbital.
Yeah Come on! Surely its my turn by now? kF