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dear fellow idmers it has come to my attention that perhaps we should not discuss whether or not to discuss the new autechre album. perhaps that would be against the consensus of the list. perhaps we should elect a senate to decide whether or not we should be discussing whether or not we should discuss the new autechre album... and then elect a different senate (composed of different members) to discuss whether or not to discuss whether or not we should discuss the new squarepusher release. perhaps? let me know what you all think. perhaps we should call Jerry Springer. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

The people who wrote this message have been sacked. rw ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarah ellenberger" <djdesada@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:56 PM Subject: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list

quoted 22 lines dear fellow idmers

> dear fellow idmers > > it has come to my attention that perhaps we should not discuss whether or > not to discuss the new autechre album. perhaps that would be against the > consensus of the list. perhaps we should elect a senate to decide whether > or not we should be discussing whether or not we should discuss the new > autechre album... and then elect a different senate (composed of different > members) to discuss whether or not to discuss whether or not we should > discuss the new squarepusher release. > > perhaps? let me know what you all think. > > perhaps we should call Jerry Springer. > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 1 line The people who wrote this message have been sacked.

> The people who wrote this message have been sacked.

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So now, trying to get off this roller coaster, what do people think of the album? Supposedly it's released out in Japan, and i've seen it on napster now, so I know some of you have it. Out with it! No more of this rhetorical discussion on discussion BS. Let's have the meat of the matter. -mark rw wrote:

quoted 41 lines The people who wrote this message have been sacked.

> The people who wrote this message have been sacked. > > rw > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sarah ellenberger" <djdesada@hotmail.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:56 PM > Subject: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > >> dear fellow idmers >> >> it has come to my attention that perhaps we should not discuss whether or >> not to discuss the new autechre album. perhaps that would be against the >> consensus of the list. perhaps we should elect a senate to decide whether >> or not we should be discussing whether or not we should discuss the new >> autechre album... and then elect a different senate (composed of different >> members) to discuss whether or not to discuss whether or not we should >> discuss the new squarepusher release. >> >> perhaps? let me know what you all think. >> >> perhaps we should call Jerry Springer. >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

Alright, I'm disappointed. I'll admit it. Now I'll go off on a rant. <OPINION> As far as the melodic qualities of each track go, I'm entirely unimpressed. There's not much to be said about that. It either seems to be not there, not enough, or nothing new. Minimalism at it's most boring. Personally, I like the ass-shaking Autechre. This new album is most definately devoid of ass-shaking beatage. the 'Beats that might sound cool if they weren't so horribly fucked' aren't doing it for me. The tracks that do have some kind of coherent rhythm sound like they were programmed by a 3 year old with brain damage. Also, the oh-so-unsubtle and ridiculous timing/tempo changes on some of the tracks, uhm ... not slick, jack. I'm both amused and disturbed by how close the fakes I made ended up sounding like the actual tracks. I thought to myself, "What would AE sound like if they crawled a bit too far up their own asses", and proceeded to make tracks in 5 minutes that could probably quite easily fit in on Confield. Scary. Perhaps AE decided to get a laugh out of releasing a terrible record and getting every idm jagoff to say that it's fresh. Sadly, I don't think that's the case. The next step in hip hop from the Nth dimension? Perhaps, but I'm not sure if it's a step in the right direction. My advice? Invest in some of the more impressive up-and-comers before buying this album -- Boulderdash, Chris Clark, and Crunch. </OPINION> -- - Nintari Man On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Mark wrote:

quoted 58 lines Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:27:12 -0700

> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:27:12 -0700 > From: Mark <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > So now, trying to get off this roller coaster, what do people think of > the album? Supposedly it's released out in Japan, and i've seen it on > napster now, so I know some of you have it. Out with it! No more of > this rhetorical discussion on discussion BS. Let's have the meat of the > matter. > > -mark > > rw wrote: > > > The people who wrote this message have been sacked. > > > > rw > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "sarah ellenberger" <djdesada@hotmail.com> > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:56 PM > > Subject: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > >> dear fellow idmers > >> > >> it has come to my attention that perhaps we should not discuss whether or > >> not to discuss the new autechre album. perhaps that would be against the > >> consensus of the list. perhaps we should elect a senate to decide whether > >> or not we should be discussing whether or not we should discuss the new > >> autechre album... and then elect a different senate (composed of different > >> members) to discuss whether or not to discuss whether or not we should > >> discuss the new squarepusher release. > >> > >> perhaps? let me know what you all think. > >> > >> perhaps we should call Jerry Springer. > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > >

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I haven't heard chris clark or boulderdash, but Crunch? I'm listening to it now, and although I don't hate the album, how on earth can you, ugh, I mean this isn't anything Autechre couldn't have done around Chiastic, and even they didn't make such a simple cd, at least they went for more of an artistic slant. I've heard some of the tracks off of Confield, and personally I was hoping they would all be a bit more like Vis Scose, where each track doesn't pay off until half way through. On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nintari Man wrote:

quoted 102 lines Alright, I'm disappointed. I'll admit it. Now I'll go off on a rant.

> > Alright, I'm disappointed. I'll admit it. Now I'll go off on a rant. > > <OPINION> > > As far as the melodic qualities of each track go, I'm entirely > unimpressed. There's not much to be said about that. It either seems to be > not there, not enough, or nothing new. Minimalism at it's most boring. > > Personally, I like the ass-shaking Autechre. This new album is most > definately devoid of ass-shaking beatage. the 'Beats that might sound > cool if they weren't so horribly fucked' aren't doing it for me. The > tracks that do have some kind of coherent rhythm sound like they were > programmed by a 3 year old with brain damage. Also, the oh-so-unsubtle and > ridiculous timing/tempo changes on some of the tracks, uhm ... not slick, > jack. > > I'm both amused and disturbed by how close the fakes I made ended up > sounding like the actual tracks. I thought to myself, "What would AE sound > like if they crawled a bit too far up their own asses", and proceeded to > make tracks in 5 minutes that could probably quite easily fit in on > Confield. Scary. > > Perhaps AE decided to get a laugh out of releasing a terrible record and > getting every idm jagoff to say that it's fresh. Sadly, I don't think > that's the case. The next step in hip hop from the Nth dimension? > Perhaps, but I'm not sure if it's a step in the right direction. > > My advice? Invest in some of the more impressive up-and-comers before > buying this album -- Boulderdash, Chris Clark, and Crunch. > > </OPINION> > > -- - > Nintari Man > > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Mark wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:27:12 -0700 > > From: Mark <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > So now, trying to get off this roller coaster, what do people think of > > the album? Supposedly it's released out in Japan, and i've seen it on > > napster now, so I know some of you have it. Out with it! No more of > > this rhetorical discussion on discussion BS. Let's have the meat of the > > matter. > > > > -mark > > > > rw wrote: > > > > > The people who wrote this message have been sacked. > > > > > > rw > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "sarah ellenberger" <djdesada@hotmail.com> > > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:56 PM > > > Subject: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > >> dear fellow idmers > > >> > > >> it has come to my attention that perhaps we should not discuss whether or > > >> not to discuss the new autechre album. perhaps that would be against the > > >> consensus of the list. perhaps we should elect a senate to decide whether > > >> or not we should be discussing whether or not we should discuss the new > > >> autechre album... and then elect a different senate (composed of different > > >> members) to discuss whether or not to discuss whether or not we should > > >> discuss the new squarepusher release. > > >> > > >> perhaps? let me know what you all think. > > >> > > >> perhaps we should call Jerry Springer. > > >> _________________________________________________________________ > > >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nintari Man wrote:

quoted 3 lines like if they crawled a bit too far up their own asses", and proceeded to

> like if they crawled a bit too far up their own asses", and proceeded to > make tracks in 5 minutes that could probably quite easily fit in on > Confield. Scary.

You talk the talk, but do you walk the walk? How about posting these tracks online after Confield is released and letting us be the judge? Who knows, maybe you'll score a deal with Warp... -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Maybe you should hear the tracks first before you speak out against Nintari. I have heard the tracks and they are not far from what Confeild sounds like. I think Nintari should get a record deal with Warp. I think he is good enough. on 4/19/01 6:51 AM, R. Lim at rlim@escape.com wrote:

quoted 17 lines On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nintari Man wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nintari Man wrote: > >> like if they crawled a bit too far up their own asses", and proceeded to >> make tracks in 5 minutes that could probably quite easily fit in on >> Confield. Scary. > > You talk the talk, but do you walk the walk? How about posting these > tracks online after Confield is released and letting us be the judge? Who > knows, maybe you'll score a deal with Warp... > > -rob > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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I'm flattered, but, uh, again. ...Those tracks are _not_ good. I did it as a goof, and they turned out somewhat similar, so, take that for what it's worth. If you want to hear my real music, go to http://www.deathhouse.net/teamtechno/ -- - Nintari Man On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Peter Schrock wrote:

quoted 40 lines Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:32:17 -0800

> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:32:17 -0800 > From: Peter Schrock <pachinko74@mac.com> > To: anyone and everyone and <idm@hyperreal.org> > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > Maybe you should hear the tracks first before you speak out against Nintari. > I have heard the tracks and they are not far from what Confeild sounds like. > I think Nintari should get a record deal with Warp. I think he is good > enough. > > on 4/19/01 6:51 AM, R. Lim at rlim@escape.com wrote: > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nintari Man wrote: > > > >> like if they crawled a bit too far up their own asses", and proceeded to > >> make tracks in 5 minutes that could probably quite easily fit in on > >> Confield. Scary. > > > > You talk the talk, but do you walk the walk? How about posting these > > tracks online after Confield is released and letting us be the judge? Who > > knows, maybe you'll score a deal with Warp... > > > > -rob > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > Peter "Pachinko" Ý > - http://www.mp3.com/pachinko - > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nintari Man wrote:

quoted 5 lines I'm flattered, but, uh, again. ...Those tracks are _not_ good. I did it as

> I'm flattered, but, uh, again. ...Those tracks are _not_ good. I did it as > a goof, and they turned out somewhat similar, so, take that for what it's > worth. > > If you want to hear my real music, go to

Don't take it personally, but I don't want to hear your "real music," I want to hear this proof that it takes you a mere five minutes to make music that would fit with Confield. -rob ps to "Pachinko"- I'd appreciate it if you take the time to read my e-mails before responding. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

They have been available for weeks, both on napster, and on the web site i mentioned in my last post. -- - Nintari Man On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, R. Lim wrote:

quoted 27 lines Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:48:25 -0400 (EDT)

> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:48:25 -0400 (EDT) > From: R. Lim <rlim@escape.com> > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nintari Man wrote: > > > I'm flattered, but, uh, again. ...Those tracks are _not_ good. I did it as > > a goof, and they turned out somewhat similar, so, take that for what it's > > worth. > > > > If you want to hear my real music, go to > > Don't take it personally, but I don't want to hear your "real music," I > want to hear this proof that it takes you a mere five minutes to make > music that would fit with Confield. > > -rob > > ps to "Pachinko"- I'd appreciate it if you take the time to read my > e-mails before responding. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 3 lines Don't take it personally, but I don't want to hear your "real music,"

> Don't take it personally, but I don't want to hear your "real music," I > want to hear this proof that it takes you a mere five minutes to make > music that would fit with Confield.

Yeah, to Hell with the music you actually care about -- let's hear more Booth and Brown wannabes! Yammering git. m@2zo www.thechisa.com "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of the shadow of death!'" -- Mr. T --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I have to agree with you. I was looking for more melody and found it to be stimulating to my mind but it's not the same Autechre that I am used to. I am dissapointed as well. I mean, at least with songs like "Netlon Sentinel" from EP7 there was a nice melody towards the end of all the chaos that allowed you to appreciate that very element. I don't know, I just find it dissappointing that this is the direction they have chosen as well. on 4/18/01 10:59 PM, Nintari Man at nintarispam@nintari.com wrote:

quoted 30 lines Alright, I'm disappointed. I'll admit it. Now I'll go off on a rant.

> > Alright, I'm disappointed. I'll admit it. Now I'll go off on a rant. > > <OPINION> > > As far as the melodic qualities of each track go, I'm entirely > unimpressed. There's not much to be said about that. It either seems to be > not there, not enough, or nothing new. Minimalism at it's most boring. > > Personally, I like the ass-shaking Autechre. This new album is most > definately devoid of ass-shaking beatage. the 'Beats that might sound > cool if they weren't so horribly fucked' aren't doing it for me. The > tracks that do have some kind of coherent rhythm sound like they were > programmed by a 3 year old with brain damage. Also, the oh-so-unsubtle and > ridiculous timing/tempo changes on some of the tracks, uhm ... not slick, > jack. > > I'm both amused and disturbed by how close the fakes I made ended up > sounding like the actual tracks. I thought to myself, "What would AE sound > like if they crawled a bit too far up their own asses", and proceeded to > make tracks in 5 minutes that could probably quite easily fit in on > Confield. Scary. > > Perhaps AE decided to get a laugh out of releasing a terrible record and > getting every idm jagoff to say that it's fresh. Sadly, I don't think > that's the case. The next step in hip hop from the Nth dimension? > Perhaps, but I'm not sure if it's a step in the right direction. > > My advice? Invest in some of the more impressive up-and-comers before > buying this album -- Boulderdash, Chris Clark, and Crunch.

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I have a promo copy. I think it is quite beautiful. Maybe my favorite autehre release to date. Peace, Chad Mossholder Twine/Twinesound Audio Productions ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????. http://www.four09.org/twine http://www.heftyrecords.com http://www.komplott.com twine@heftyrecords.com .??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? --"The original is unfaithful to the copy." Jorge Luis Borges

quoted 9 lines From: Mark <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu>

>From: Mark <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:27:12 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [209.133.83.16] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBCA75F1200A440043720D185531004AE0; Wed Apr 18 15:24:18 2001 >Received: (qmail 17064 invoked by uid 281); 18 Apr 2001 22:23:33 -0000 >Received: (qmail 17033 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2001 22:23:33 -0000

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>Mailing-List: contact idm-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: <mailto:idm-help@hyperreal.org> >list-unsubscribe: <mailto:idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org> >list-post: <mailto:idm@hyperreal.org> >Delivered-To: mailing list idm@hyperreal.org >Message-ID: <3ADE14C0.7000604@ecst.csuchico.edu> >User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 >Netscape6/6.0 >X-Accept-Language: en >References: <F182eRoXaXgBDu9CEIe00001d1a@hotmail.com> ><041601c0c852$b4457c20$9547f0d1@goldengate.net> > >So now, trying to get off this roller coaster, what do people think of >the album? Supposedly it's released out in Japan, and i've seen it on >napster now, so I know some of you have it. Out with it! No more of >this rhetorical discussion on discussion BS. Let's have the meat of the >matter. > >-mark > >rw wrote: > >>The people who wrote this message have been sacked. >> >>rw >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "sarah ellenberger" <djdesada@hotmail.com> >>To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:56 PM >>Subject: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list >> >> >>>dear fellow idmers >>> >>>it has come to my attention that perhaps we should not discuss whether or >>>not to discuss the new autechre album. perhaps that would be against the >>>consensus of the list. perhaps we should elect a senate to decide >>>whether >>>or not we should be discussing whether or not we should discuss the new >>>autechre album... and then elect a different senate (composed of >>>different >>>members) to discuss whether or not to discuss whether or not we should >>>discuss the new squarepusher release. >>> >>>perhaps? let me know what you all think. >>> >>>perhaps we should call Jerry Springer. >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >

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the people responsible for the sacking have also been sacked. ----------

quoted 5 lines From: "rw" <rw@goldengate.net>

>From: "rw" <rw@goldengate.net> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list >Date: 18. Apr.200117:58 >

quoted 39 lines The people who wrote this message have been sacked.

> The people who wrote this message have been sacked. > > rw > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sarah ellenberger" <djdesada@hotmail.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:56 PM > Subject: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > >> dear fellow idmers >> >> it has come to my attention that perhaps we should not discuss whether or >> not to discuss the new autechre album. perhaps that would be against the >> consensus of the list. perhaps we should elect a senate to decide whether >> or not we should be discussing whether or not we should discuss the new >> autechre album... and then elect a different senate (composed of different >> members) to discuss whether or not to discuss whether or not we should >> discuss the new squarepusher release. >> >> perhaps? let me know what you all think. >> >> perhaps we should call Jerry Springer. >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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I listened to the first few tracks this morning. I liked it, but it sounded like they were still doing 90MPH on their usual road of trading finesse, consistency and coherence for the wholly unprecedented... I wouldn't take this appraisal too seriously though, I normally listen to an album several times through earbuds before I form an opinion I stick with. If anyone's interested in having a go at forming their own opinion the album's shared by several of us on soulseek. Cheers, Nir ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list

quoted 24 lines So now, trying to get off this roller coaster, what do people think of

> So now, trying to get off this roller coaster, what do people think of > the album? Supposedly it's released out in Japan, and i've seen it on > napster now, so I know some of you have it. Out with it! No more of > this rhetorical discussion on discussion BS. Let's have the meat of the > matter. > > -mark > > rw wrote: > > > The people who wrote this message have been sacked. > > > > rw > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "sarah ellenberger" <djdesada@hotmail.com> > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:56 PM > > Subject: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > >> dear fellow idmers > >> > >> it has come to my attention that perhaps we should not discuss whether

or

quoted 1 line not to discuss the new autechre album. perhaps that would be against

> >> not to discuss the new autechre album. perhaps that would be against

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quoted 1 line consensus of the list. perhaps we should elect a senate to decide

> >> consensus of the list. perhaps we should elect a senate to decide

whether

quoted 2 lines or not we should be discussing whether or not we should discuss the new

> >> or not we should be discussing whether or not we should discuss the new > >> autechre album... and then elect a different senate (composed of

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quoted 25 lines members) to discuss whether or not to discuss whether or not we should

> >> members) to discuss whether or not to discuss whether or not we should > >> discuss the new squarepusher release. > >> > >> perhaps? let me know what you all think. > >> > >> perhaps we should call Jerry Springer. > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > >

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and now for something completely IDM unrelated!

quoted 9 lines From: atomly <atomly@atomly.com>

>From: atomly <atomly@atomly.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:38:27 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [209.133.83.16] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBCA7619700704004378FD185531008530; Wed Apr 18 15:35:03 2001 >Received: (qmail 1174 invoked by uid 281); 18 Apr 2001 22:34:43 -0000 >Received: (qmail 1126 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2001 22:34:43 -0000

From idm-return-33192-twine_sound Wed Apr 18 15:35:19 2001

quoted 31 lines Mailing-List: contact idm-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm

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im with that !!!!! P O S T T H E T R A C K S !!!! ive been waiting to hear the complete versions of *fake*bine and *fake*sim gishel regards, teardropb icq 55962348 irc #reaktor, #electronic-musicmakers on DALnet

quoted 22 lines From: "R. Lim" <rlim@escape.com>

>From: "R. Lim" <rlim@escape.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:51:23 -0400 (EDT) > >On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nintari Man wrote: > > > like if they crawled a bit too far up their own asses", and proceeded to > > make tracks in 5 minutes that could probably quite easily fit in on > > Confield. Scary. > >You talk the talk, but do you walk the walk? How about posting these >tracks online after Confield is released and letting us be the judge? Who >knows, maybe you'll score a deal with Warp... > > -rob > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Sorry, kids, but the fake "Bine" and "Sim Gishel" were done by me, not the Nintari Man. And they never can be finished now, because I trashed the work files shortly after posting them -- because, frankly, I didn't really give much of a shit about them. You could check out some of my recent music on my site, but I get this funny feeling people won't care nearly as much about my meaningful, careful work, as when I'm impersonating their idols half-heartedly. C'est le vie. m@2zo www.thechisa.com "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of the shadow of death!'" -- Mr. T On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, teardropb . wrote:

quoted 43 lines im with that !!!!!

> im with that !!!!! > > P O S T T H E T R A C K S !!!! > ive been waiting to hear the complete versions of *fake*bine and *fake*sim > gishel > > regards, > teardropb > icq 55962348 > irc #reaktor, #electronic-musicmakers on DALnet > > > >From: "R. Lim" <rlim@escape.com> > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:51:23 -0400 (EDT) > > > >On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nintari Man wrote: > > > > > like if they crawled a bit too far up their own asses", and proceeded to > > > make tracks in 5 minutes that could probably quite easily fit in on > > > Confield. Scary. > > > >You talk the talk, but do you walk the walk? How about posting these > >tracks online after Confield is released and letting us be the judge? Who > >knows, maybe you'll score a deal with Warp... > > > > -rob > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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it's lame, hardly any melodie left at all. just dumb chaos. no beauty left, just grimm, cold, chaos. i'm sure all you no soul robots will jus luv it. sux. worst album by them imo. ever. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list

quoted 24 lines So now, trying to get off this roller coaster, what do people think of

> So now, trying to get off this roller coaster, what do people think of > the album? Supposedly it's released out in Japan, and i've seen it on > napster now, so I know some of you have it. Out with it! No more of > this rhetorical discussion on discussion BS. Let's have the meat of the > matter. > > -mark > > rw wrote: > > > The people who wrote this message have been sacked. > > > > rw > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "sarah ellenberger" <djdesada@hotmail.com> > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:56 PM > > Subject: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > >> dear fellow idmers > >> > >> it has come to my attention that perhaps we should not discuss whether

or

quoted 1 line not to discuss the new autechre album. perhaps that would be against

> >> not to discuss the new autechre album. perhaps that would be against

the

quoted 1 line consensus of the list. perhaps we should elect a senate to decide

> >> consensus of the list. perhaps we should elect a senate to decide

whether

quoted 2 lines or not we should be discussing whether or not we should discuss the new

> >> or not we should be discussing whether or not we should discuss the new > >> autechre album... and then elect a different senate (composed of

different

quoted 25 lines members) to discuss whether or not to discuss whether or not we should

> >> members) to discuss whether or not to discuss whether or not we should > >> discuss the new squarepusher release. > >> > >> perhaps? let me know what you all think. > >> > >> perhaps we should call Jerry Springer. > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > >

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On 19 Apr 2001, _DipfthonG_ wrote:

quoted 2 lines it's lame, hardly any melodie left at all.

> it's lame, hardly any melodie left at all. > just dumb chaos.

Oh good! I was getting sick of the same old tired "idm melodies" anyways.

quoted 1 line no beauty left, just grimm, cold, chaos.

> no beauty left, just grimm, cold, chaos.

My, that sounds rather beautiful

quoted 2 lines i'm sure all you no soul robots will jus

> i'm sure all you no soul robots will jus > luv it.

If you program a robot to think that it's a human, it won't know that it's a robot, and will act like a human with amnesia. So this statement is meaningless, since any robots on the list would exclude themselves.

quoted 3 lines sux.

> sux. > worst album by them imo. > ever.

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yes, it's a trend i'm annoyed with. don't get me wrong i love noise (harsh even) and i Loved ep7 but this just has No funk left, just fucking random (sounding) noises. almost all melodie is gone. (i'm not into sickly sweet melodie, but give me something... jesus) sounds like a bad autechre clone to me, i really wish more groups would stand up and not follow the current trends. i've loved all autechre releases upon first listen, this one is just sad... ugly. boring. without soul. no funk. cold. computer music. enjoy it kids, i'ts all coming to a close. eggy toast =! genius. i'm out. [ ` ] ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Schrock <pachinko74@mac.com> To: anyone and everyone and <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list I have to agree with you. I was looking for more melody and found it to be stimulating to my mind but it's not the same Autechre that I am used to. I am dissapointed as well. I mean, at least with songs like "Netlon Sentinel" from EP7 there was a nice melody towards the end of all the chaos that allowed you to appreciate that very element. I don't know, I just find it dissappointing that this is the direction they have chosen as well. on 4/18/01 10:59 PM, Nintari Man at nintarispam@nintari.com wrote:

quoted 30 lines Alright, I'm disappointed. I'll admit it. Now I'll go off on a rant.

> > Alright, I'm disappointed. I'll admit it. Now I'll go off on a rant. > > <OPINION> > > As far as the melodic qualities of each track go, I'm entirely > unimpressed. There's not much to be said about that. It either seems to be > not there, not enough, or nothing new. Minimalism at it's most boring. > > Personally, I like the ass-shaking Autechre. This new album is most > definately devoid of ass-shaking beatage. the 'Beats that might sound > cool if they weren't so horribly fucked' aren't doing it for me. The > tracks that do have some kind of coherent rhythm sound like they were > programmed by a 3 year old with brain damage. Also, the oh-so-unsubtle and > ridiculous timing/tempo changes on some of the tracks, uhm ... not slick, > jack. > > I'm both amused and disturbed by how close the fakes I made ended up > sounding like the actual tracks. I thought to myself, "What would AE sound > like if they crawled a bit too far up their own asses", and proceeded to > make tracks in 5 minutes that could probably quite easily fit in on > Confield. Scary. > > Perhaps AE decided to get a laugh out of releasing a terrible record and > getting every idm jagoff to say that it's fresh. Sadly, I don't think > that's the case. The next step in hip hop from the Nth dimension? > Perhaps, but I'm not sure if it's a step in the right direction. > > My advice? Invest in some of the more impressive up-and-comers before > buying this album -- Boulderdash, Chris Clark, and Crunch.

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I know I'm gonna regret this, but:

quoted 9 lines -----Original Message-----

> -----Original Message----- > From: _DipfthonG_ [mailto:kam@columbus.rr.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:46 PM > To: Peter Schrock; anyone and everyone and > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > sounds like a bad autechre clone to me, i really wish > more groups would stand up and not follow the current > trends.

methinks you are listening to the wrong releases

quoted 1 line ugly. boring. without soul. no funk. cold. computer music.

> ugly. boring. without soul. no funk. cold. computer music.

i'm looking forward to it

quoted 1 line enjoy it kids, i'ts all coming to a close.

> enjoy it kids, i'ts all coming to a close.

what's coming to a close?

quoted 1 line eggy toast =! genius.

> eggy toast =! genius.

maybe i missed something, but did he claim otherwise? -adam --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

hi. Just wanted to pop in and mention how dumb this thread is. And, if you can make confielf tracks in 5 minutes, why aren't you on Warp? ;) Silly. --R. Lim

quoted 9 lines From: "R. Lim" <rlim@escape.com>

>From: "R. Lim" <rlim@escape.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:48:25 -0400 (EDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [209.133.83.16] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBCA88C9900B34004314CD18553100E830; Thu Apr 19 12:50:49 2001 >Received: (qmail 14506 invoked by uid 281); 19 Apr 2001 19:51:09 -0000 >Received: (qmail 14476 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 19:51:08 -0000

From idm-return-33255-l__________ Thu Apr 19 12:52:01 2001

quoted 35 lines Mailing-List: contact idm-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm

>Mailing-List: contact idm-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: <mailto:idm-help@hyperreal.org> >list-unsubscribe: <mailto:idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org> >list-post: <mailto:idm@hyperreal.org> >Delivered-To: mailing list idm@hyperreal.org >In-Reply-To: ><Pine.LNX.4.21.0104191456540.17203-100000@holland.deathhouse.net> >Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.05L.10104191535100.25986-100000@escape.com> > >On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nintari Man wrote: > > > I'm flattered, but, uh, again. ...Those tracks are _not_ good. I did it >as > > a goof, and they turned out somewhat similar, so, take that for what >it's > > worth. > > > > If you want to hear my real music, go to > >Don't take it personally, but I don't want to hear your "real music," I >want to hear this proof that it takes you a mere five minutes to make >music that would fit with Confield. > > -rob > >ps to "Pachinko"- I'd appreciate it if you take the time to read my >e-mails before responding. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Well, I might sound shallow or something, but yeah, I wanna hear crazy new sounds. If I just wanna hear well written songs, which sometimes I do, I'll listen to Bach, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Coltrane, Davis, Beatles, Beach Boys etc. The point is as far as well written songs go there is alot more stuff out there alot better than crunch, and while it may not use electronic sounds, if I want those I go to Autechre or whoever is up to crazy weird shit. On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Michael J Henderson Jr. wrote:

quoted 139 lines Admittedly, Crunch isn't exactly breaking much new ground, but, uhm,

> > Admittedly, Crunch isn't exactly breaking much new ground, but, uhm, > does that mean that it's somehow not valid? ... I mean, this is exactly > the problem with Confield. It seems like a lot of people just want to hear > "Crazy New Shit", not good ol' well written songs. > > Sheesh, as if it's sacrilege to compare someone else to ae. > > -- - > Nintari Man > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:09:04 -0600 (MDT) > > From: Brian M. Cass <kingmob@nmt.edu> > > To: Nintari Man <nintarispam@nintari.com> > > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > I haven't heard chris clark or boulderdash, but Crunch? I'm listening to > > it now, and although I don't hate the album, how on earth can you, ugh, I > > mean this isn't anything Autechre couldn't have done around Chiastic, and > > even they didn't make such a simple cd, at least they went for more of an > > artistic slant. I've heard some of the tracks off of Confield, and > > personally I was hoping they would all be a bit more like Vis Scose, where > > each track doesn't pay off until half way through. > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nintari Man wrote: > > > > > > > > Alright, I'm disappointed. I'll admit it. Now I'll go off on a rant. > > > > > > <OPINION> > > > > > > As far as the melodic qualities of each track go, I'm entirely > > > unimpressed. There's not much to be said about that. It either seems to be > > > not there, not enough, or nothing new. Minimalism at it's most boring. > > > > > > Personally, I like the ass-shaking Autechre. This new album is most > > > definately devoid of ass-shaking beatage. the 'Beats that might sound > > > cool if they weren't so horribly fucked' aren't doing it for me. The > > > tracks that do have some kind of coherent rhythm sound like they were > > > programmed by a 3 year old with brain damage. Also, the oh-so-unsubtle and > > > ridiculous timing/tempo changes on some of the tracks, uhm ... not slick, > > > jack. > > > > > > I'm both amused and disturbed by how close the fakes I made ended up > > > sounding like the actual tracks. I thought to myself, "What would AE sound > > > like if they crawled a bit too far up their own asses", and proceeded to > > > make tracks in 5 minutes that could probably quite easily fit in on > > > Confield. Scary. > > > > > > Perhaps AE decided to get a laugh out of releasing a terrible record and > > > getting every idm jagoff to say that it's fresh. Sadly, I don't think > > > that's the case. The next step in hip hop from the Nth dimension? > > > Perhaps, but I'm not sure if it's a step in the right direction. > > > > > > My advice? Invest in some of the more impressive up-and-comers before > > > buying this album -- Boulderdash, Chris Clark, and Crunch. > > > > > > </OPINION> > > > > > > -- - > > > Nintari Man > > > > > > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Mark wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:27:12 -0700 > > > > From: Mark <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> > > > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > > > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > So now, trying to get off this roller coaster, what do people think of > > > > the album? Supposedly it's released out in Japan, and i've seen it on > > > > napster now, so I know some of you have it. Out with it! No more of > > > > this rhetorical discussion on discussion BS. Let's have the meat of the > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > -mark > > > > > > > > rw wrote: > > > > > > > > > The people who wrote this message have been sacked. > > > > > > > > > > rw > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "sarah ellenberger" <djdesada@hotmail.com> > > > > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:56 PM > > > > > Subject: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> dear fellow idmers > > > > >> > > > > >> it has come to my attention that perhaps we should not discuss whether or > > > > >> not to discuss the new autechre album. perhaps that would be against the > > > > >> consensus of the list. perhaps we should elect a senate to decide whether > > > > >> or not we should be discussing whether or not we should discuss the new > > > > >> autechre album... and then elect a different senate (composed of different > > > > >> members) to discuss whether or not to discuss whether or not we should > > > > >> discuss the new squarepusher release. > > > > >> > > > > >> perhaps? let me know what you all think. > > > > >> > > > > >> perhaps we should call Jerry Springer. > > > > >> _________________________________________________________________ > > > > >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

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Yeah, that would pretty much make you shallow, buddy. Call me crazy but: how about a nice balance of wacky new sounds AND competent songwriting? m@2zo www.thechisa.com "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of the shadow of death!'" -- Mr. T On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote:

quoted 158 lines Well, I might sound shallow or something, but yeah, I wanna hear crazy new

> Well, I might sound shallow or something, but yeah, I wanna hear crazy new > sounds. If I just wanna hear well written songs, which sometimes I do, > I'll listen to Bach, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Coltrane, Davis, Beatles, > Beach Boys etc. The point is as far as well written songs go there is > alot > more stuff out there alot better than crunch, and while it may not use > electronic sounds, if I want those I go to Autechre or whoever is up to > crazy weird shit. > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Michael J Henderson Jr. wrote: > > > > > Admittedly, Crunch isn't exactly breaking much new ground, but, uhm, > > does that mean that it's somehow not valid? ... I mean, this is exactly > > the problem with Confield. It seems like a lot of people just want to hear > > "Crazy New Shit", not good ol' well written songs. > > > > Sheesh, as if it's sacrilege to compare someone else to ae. > > > > -- - > > Nintari Man > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote: > > > > > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:09:04 -0600 (MDT) > > > From: Brian M. Cass <kingmob@nmt.edu> > > > To: Nintari Man <nintarispam@nintari.com> > > > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > > > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > I haven't heard chris clark or boulderdash, but Crunch? I'm listening to > > > it now, and although I don't hate the album, how on earth can you, ugh, I > > > mean this isn't anything Autechre couldn't have done around Chiastic, and > > > even they didn't make such a simple cd, at least they went for more of an > > > artistic slant. I've heard some of the tracks off of Confield, and > > > personally I was hoping they would all be a bit more like Vis Scose, where > > > each track doesn't pay off until half way through. > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nintari Man wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Alright, I'm disappointed. I'll admit it. Now I'll go off on a rant. > > > > > > > > <OPINION> > > > > > > > > As far as the melodic qualities of each track go, I'm entirely > > > > unimpressed. There's not much to be said about that. It either seems to be > > > > not there, not enough, or nothing new. Minimalism at it's most boring. > > > > > > > > Personally, I like the ass-shaking Autechre. This new album is most > > > > definately devoid of ass-shaking beatage. the 'Beats that might sound > > > > cool if they weren't so horribly fucked' aren't doing it for me. The > > > > tracks that do have some kind of coherent rhythm sound like they were > > > > programmed by a 3 year old with brain damage. Also, the oh-so-unsubtle and > > > > ridiculous timing/tempo changes on some of the tracks, uhm ... not slick, > > > > jack. > > > > > > > > I'm both amused and disturbed by how close the fakes I made ended up > > > > sounding like the actual tracks. I thought to myself, "What would AE sound > > > > like if they crawled a bit too far up their own asses", and proceeded to > > > > make tracks in 5 minutes that could probably quite easily fit in on > > > > Confield. Scary. > > > > > > > > Perhaps AE decided to get a laugh out of releasing a terrible record and > > > > getting every idm jagoff to say that it's fresh. Sadly, I don't think > > > > that's the case. The next step in hip hop from the Nth dimension? > > > > Perhaps, but I'm not sure if it's a step in the right direction. > > > > > > > > My advice? Invest in some of the more impressive up-and-comers before > > > > buying this album -- Boulderdash, Chris Clark, and Crunch. > > > > > > > > </OPINION> > > > > > > > > -- - > > > > Nintari Man > > > > > > > > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Mark wrote: > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:27:12 -0700 > > > > > From: Mark <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> > > > > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > > > So now, trying to get off this roller coaster, what do people think of > > > > > the album? Supposedly it's released out in Japan, and i've seen it on > > > > > napster now, so I know some of you have it. Out with it! No more of > > > > > this rhetorical discussion on discussion BS. Let's have the meat of the > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > -mark > > > > > > > > > > rw wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The people who wrote this message have been sacked. > > > > > > > > > > > > rw > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "sarah ellenberger" <djdesada@hotmail.com> > > > > > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:56 PM > > > > > > Subject: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> dear fellow idmers > > > > > >> > > > > > >> it has come to my attention that perhaps we should not discuss whether or > > > > > >> not to discuss the new autechre album. perhaps that would be against the > > > > > >> consensus of the list. perhaps we should elect a senate to decide whether > > > > > >> or not we should be discussing whether or not we should discuss the new > > > > > >> autechre album... and then elect a different senate (composed of different > > > > > >> members) to discuss whether or not to discuss whether or not we should > > > > > >> discuss the new squarepusher release. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> perhaps? let me know what you all think. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> perhaps we should call Jerry Springer. > > > > > >> _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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So all Richard Devine fans are sub-human soul-less robot monsters then? eh, and I did mention I sometimes like to listen to stuff with melodies, and the stuff I mentioned contains better melodies than most any electronic act, so mabye when I'm not shallow and soul-less, I'm really really really not shallow and soul-less, and people who stick to electronic stuff only are never truly and completely not shallow? On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, The Chisa wrote:

quoted 180 lines Yeah, that would pretty much make you shallow, buddy.

> > Yeah, that would pretty much make you shallow, buddy. > > Call me crazy but: how about a nice balance of wacky new sounds AND > competent songwriting? > > > m@2zo > www.thechisa.com > > > "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of > the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in > the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of > the shadow of death!'" > > -- Mr. T > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote: > > > Well, I might sound shallow or something, but yeah, I wanna hear crazy new > > sounds. If I just wanna hear well written songs, which sometimes I do, > > I'll listen to Bach, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Coltrane, Davis, Beatles, > > Beach Boys etc. The point is as far as well written songs go there is > > alot > > more stuff out there alot better than crunch, and while it may not use > > electronic sounds, if I want those I go to Autechre or whoever is up to > > crazy weird shit. > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Michael J Henderson Jr. wrote: > > > > > > > > Admittedly, Crunch isn't exactly breaking much new ground, but, uhm, > > > does that mean that it's somehow not valid? ... I mean, this is exactly > > > the problem with Confield. It seems like a lot of people just want to hear > > > "Crazy New Shit", not good ol' well written songs. > > > > > > Sheesh, as if it's sacrilege to compare someone else to ae. > > > > > > -- - > > > Nintari Man > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:09:04 -0600 (MDT) > > > > From: Brian M. Cass <kingmob@nmt.edu> > > > > To: Nintari Man <nintarispam@nintari.com> > > > > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > > > > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > I haven't heard chris clark or boulderdash, but Crunch? I'm listening to > > > > it now, and although I don't hate the album, how on earth can you, ugh, I > > > > mean this isn't anything Autechre couldn't have done around Chiastic, and > > > > even they didn't make such a simple cd, at least they went for more of an > > > > artistic slant. I've heard some of the tracks off of Confield, and > > > > personally I was hoping they would all be a bit more like Vis Scose, where > > > > each track doesn't pay off until half way through. > > > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nintari Man wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alright, I'm disappointed. I'll admit it. Now I'll go off on a rant. > > > > > > > > > > <OPINION> > > > > > > > > > > As far as the melodic qualities of each track go, I'm entirely > > > > > unimpressed. There's not much to be said about that. It either seems to be > > > > > not there, not enough, or nothing new. Minimalism at it's most boring. > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I like the ass-shaking Autechre. This new album is most > > > > > definately devoid of ass-shaking beatage. the 'Beats that might sound > > > > > cool if they weren't so horribly fucked' aren't doing it for me. The > > > > > tracks that do have some kind of coherent rhythm sound like they were > > > > > programmed by a 3 year old with brain damage. Also, the oh-so-unsubtle and > > > > > ridiculous timing/tempo changes on some of the tracks, uhm ... not slick, > > > > > jack. > > > > > > > > > > I'm both amused and disturbed by how close the fakes I made ended up > > > > > sounding like the actual tracks. I thought to myself, "What would AE sound > > > > > like if they crawled a bit too far up their own asses", and proceeded to > > > > > make tracks in 5 minutes that could probably quite easily fit in on > > > > > Confield. Scary. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps AE decided to get a laugh out of releasing a terrible record and > > > > > getting every idm jagoff to say that it's fresh. Sadly, I don't think > > > > > that's the case. The next step in hip hop from the Nth dimension? > > > > > Perhaps, but I'm not sure if it's a step in the right direction. > > > > > > > > > > My advice? Invest in some of the more impressive up-and-comers before > > > > > buying this album -- Boulderdash, Chris Clark, and Crunch. > > > > > > > > > > </OPINION> > > > > > > > > > > -- - > > > > > Nintari Man > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Mark wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:27:12 -0700 > > > > > > From: Mark <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> > > > > > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > > > > > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > > > > > So now, trying to get off this roller coaster, what do people think of > > > > > > the album? Supposedly it's released out in Japan, and i've seen it on > > > > > > napster now, so I know some of you have it. Out with it! No more of > > > > > > this rhetorical discussion on discussion BS. Let's have the meat of the > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > -mark > > > > > > > > > > > > rw wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The people who wrote this message have been sacked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "sarah ellenberger" <djdesada@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:56 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> dear fellow idmers > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> it has come to my attention that perhaps we should not discuss whether or > > > > > > >> not to discuss the new autechre album. perhaps that would be against the > > > > > > >> consensus of the list. perhaps we should elect a senate to decide whether > > > > > > >> or not we should be discussing whether or not we should discuss the new > > > > > > >> autechre album... and then elect a different senate (composed of different > > > > > > >> members) to discuss whether or not to discuss whether or not we should > > > > > > >> discuss the new squarepusher release. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> perhaps? let me know what you all think. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> perhaps we should call Jerry Springer. > > > > > > >> _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote:

quoted 1 line So all Richard Devine fans are sub-human soul-less robot monsters then?

> So all Richard Devine fans are sub-human soul-less robot monsters then?

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I am the shallowest, most soulless robot you will ever meet, sir. AND I'M COMING FOR YOUR DAUGHTER... m@2zo www.thechisa.com "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of the shadow of death!'" -- Mr. T On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote:

quoted 193 lines So all Richard Devine fans are sub-human soul-less robot monsters then?

> So all Richard Devine fans are sub-human soul-less robot monsters then? > > eh, and I did mention I sometimes like to listen to stuff with melodies, > and the stuff I mentioned contains better melodies than most any > electronic act, so mabye when I'm not shallow and soul-less, I'm really > really really not shallow and soul-less, and people who stick to > electronic stuff only are never truly and completely not shallow? > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, The Chisa wrote: > > > > > Yeah, that would pretty much make you shallow, buddy. > > > > Call me crazy but: how about a nice balance of wacky new sounds AND > > competent songwriting? > > > > > > m@2zo > > www.thechisa.com > > > > > > "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of > > the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in > > the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of > > the shadow of death!'" > > > > -- Mr. T > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote: > > > > > Well, I might sound shallow or something, but yeah, I wanna hear crazy new > > > sounds. If I just wanna hear well written songs, which sometimes I do, > > > I'll listen to Bach, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Coltrane, Davis, Beatles, > > > Beach Boys etc. The point is as far as well written songs go there is > > > alot > > > more stuff out there alot better than crunch, and while it may not use > > > electronic sounds, if I want those I go to Autechre or whoever is up to > > > crazy weird shit. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Michael J Henderson Jr. wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Admittedly, Crunch isn't exactly breaking much new ground, but, uhm, > > > > does that mean that it's somehow not valid? ... I mean, this is exactly > > > > the problem with Confield. It seems like a lot of people just want to hear > > > > "Crazy New Shit", not good ol' well written songs. > > > > > > > > Sheesh, as if it's sacrilege to compare someone else to ae. > > > > > > > > -- - > > > > Nintari Man > > > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote: > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:09:04 -0600 (MDT) > > > > > From: Brian M. Cass <kingmob@nmt.edu> > > > > > To: Nintari Man <nintarispam@nintari.com> > > > > > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > > > I haven't heard chris clark or boulderdash, but Crunch? I'm listening to > > > > > it now, and although I don't hate the album, how on earth can you, ugh, I > > > > > mean this isn't anything Autechre couldn't have done around Chiastic, and > > > > > even they didn't make such a simple cd, at least they went for more of an > > > > > artistic slant. I've heard some of the tracks off of Confield, and > > > > > personally I was hoping they would all be a bit more like Vis Scose, where > > > > > each track doesn't pay off until half way through. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nintari Man wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alright, I'm disappointed. I'll admit it. Now I'll go off on a rant. > > > > > > > > > > > > <OPINION> > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as the melodic qualities of each track go, I'm entirely > > > > > > unimpressed. There's not much to be said about that. It either seems to be > > > > > > not there, not enough, or nothing new. Minimalism at it's most boring. > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I like the ass-shaking Autechre. This new album is most > > > > > > definately devoid of ass-shaking beatage. the 'Beats that might sound > > > > > > cool if they weren't so horribly fucked' aren't doing it for me. The > > > > > > tracks that do have some kind of coherent rhythm sound like they were > > > > > > programmed by a 3 year old with brain damage. Also, the oh-so-unsubtle and > > > > > > ridiculous timing/tempo changes on some of the tracks, uhm ... not slick, > > > > > > jack. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm both amused and disturbed by how close the fakes I made ended up > > > > > > sounding like the actual tracks. I thought to myself, "What would AE sound > > > > > > like if they crawled a bit too far up their own asses", and proceeded to > > > > > > make tracks in 5 minutes that could probably quite easily fit in on > > > > > > Confield. Scary. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps AE decided to get a laugh out of releasing a terrible record and > > > > > > getting every idm jagoff to say that it's fresh. Sadly, I don't think > > > > > > that's the case. The next step in hip hop from the Nth dimension? > > > > > > Perhaps, but I'm not sure if it's a step in the right direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > My advice? Invest in some of the more impressive up-and-comers before > > > > > > buying this album -- Boulderdash, Chris Clark, and Crunch. > > > > > > > > > > > > </OPINION> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- - > > > > > > Nintari Man > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Mark wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:27:12 -0700 > > > > > > > From: Mark <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> > > > > > > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now, trying to get off this roller coaster, what do people think of > > > > > > > the album? Supposedly it's released out in Japan, and i've seen it on > > > > > > > napster now, so I know some of you have it. Out with it! No more of > > > > > > > this rhetorical discussion on discussion BS. Let's have the meat of the > > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rw wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The people who wrote this message have been sacked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "sarah ellenberger" <djdesada@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:56 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> dear fellow idmers > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> it has come to my attention that perhaps we should not discuss whether or > > > > > > > >> not to discuss the new autechre album. perhaps that would be against the > > > > > > > >> consensus of the list. perhaps we should elect a senate to decide whether > > > > > > > >> or not we should be discussing whether or not we should discuss the new > > > > > > > >> autechre album... and then elect a different senate (composed of different > > > > > > > >> members) to discuss whether or not to discuss whether or not we should > > > > > > > >> discuss the new squarepusher release. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> perhaps? let me know what you all think. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> perhaps we should call Jerry Springer. > > > > > > > >> _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >

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Didn't you already say this? And no, it really wouldn't make me shallow, I was being facetious. If you read the whole e-mail you'll see I don't always go for wacky new sounds, and alot of the stuff I go for has more melody and more complex song writing than the best of idm. As far as wacky new sounds AND competent songwriting goes though, WAKE UP APHEX On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, The Chisa wrote:

quoted 185 lines Yeah, that would pretty much make you shallow, buddy.

> > Yeah, that would pretty much make you shallow, buddy. > > Call me crazy but: how about a nice balance of wacky new sounds AND > competent songwriting? > > > m@2zo > www.thechisa.com > > > "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of > the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in > the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of > the shadow of death!'" > > -- Mr. T > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote: > > > Well, I might sound shallow or something, but yeah, I wanna hear crazy new > > sounds. If I just wanna hear well written songs, which sometimes I do, > > I'll listen to Bach, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Coltrane, Davis, Beatles, > > Beach Boys etc. The point is as far as well written songs go there is > > alot > > more stuff out there alot better than crunch, and while it may not use > > electronic sounds, if I want those I go to Autechre or whoever is up to > > crazy weird shit. > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Michael J Henderson Jr. wrote: > > > > > > > > Admittedly, Crunch isn't exactly breaking much new ground, but, uhm, > > > does that mean that it's somehow not valid? ... I mean, this is exactly > > > the problem with Confield. It seems like a lot of people just want to hear > > > "Crazy New Shit", not good ol' well written songs. > > > > > > Sheesh, as if it's sacrilege to compare someone else to ae. > > > > > > -- - > > > Nintari Man > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:09:04 -0600 (MDT) > > > > From: Brian M. Cass <kingmob@nmt.edu> > > > > To: Nintari Man <nintarispam@nintari.com> > > > > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > > > > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > I haven't heard chris clark or boulderdash, but Crunch? I'm listening to > > > > it now, and although I don't hate the album, how on earth can you, ugh, I > > > > mean this isn't anything Autechre couldn't have done around Chiastic, and > > > > even they didn't make such a simple cd, at least they went for more of an > > > > artistic slant. I've heard some of the tracks off of Confield, and > > > > personally I was hoping they would all be a bit more like Vis Scose, where > > > > each track doesn't pay off until half way through. > > > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nintari Man wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alright, I'm disappointed. I'll admit it. Now I'll go off on a rant. > > > > > > > > > > <OPINION> > > > > > > > > > > As far as the melodic qualities of each track go, I'm entirely > > > > > unimpressed. There's not much to be said about that. It either seems to be > > > > > not there, not enough, or nothing new. Minimalism at it's most boring. > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I like the ass-shaking Autechre. This new album is most > > > > > definately devoid of ass-shaking beatage. the 'Beats that might sound > > > > > cool if they weren't so horribly fucked' aren't doing it for me. The > > > > > tracks that do have some kind of coherent rhythm sound like they were > > > > > programmed by a 3 year old with brain damage. Also, the oh-so-unsubtle and > > > > > ridiculous timing/tempo changes on some of the tracks, uhm ... not slick, > > > > > jack. > > > > > > > > > > I'm both amused and disturbed by how close the fakes I made ended up > > > > > sounding like the actual tracks. I thought to myself, "What would AE sound > > > > > like if they crawled a bit too far up their own asses", and proceeded to > > > > > make tracks in 5 minutes that could probably quite easily fit in on > > > > > Confield. Scary. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps AE decided to get a laugh out of releasing a terrible record and > > > > > getting every idm jagoff to say that it's fresh. Sadly, I don't think > > > > > that's the case. The next step in hip hop from the Nth dimension? > > > > > Perhaps, but I'm not sure if it's a step in the right direction. > > > > > > > > > > My advice? Invest in some of the more impressive up-and-comers before > > > > > buying this album -- Boulderdash, Chris Clark, and Crunch. > > > > > > > > > > </OPINION> > > > > > > > > > > -- - > > > > > Nintari Man > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Mark wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:27:12 -0700 > > > > > > From: Mark <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> > > > > > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > > > > > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > > > > > So now, trying to get off this roller coaster, what do people think of > > > > > > the album? Supposedly it's released out in Japan, and i've seen it on > > > > > > napster now, so I know some of you have it. Out with it! No more of > > > > > > this rhetorical discussion on discussion BS. Let's have the meat of the > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > -mark > > > > > > > > > > > > rw wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The people who wrote this message have been sacked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "sarah ellenberger" <djdesada@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:56 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> dear fellow idmers > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> it has come to my attention that perhaps we should not discuss whether or > > > > > > >> not to discuss the new autechre album. perhaps that would be against the > > > > > > >> consensus of the list. perhaps we should elect a senate to decide whether > > > > > > >> or not we should be discussing whether or not we should discuss the new > > > > > > >> autechre album... and then elect a different senate (composed of different > > > > > > >> members) to discuss whether or not to discuss whether or not we should > > > > > > >> discuss the new squarepusher release. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> perhaps? let me know what you all think. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> perhaps we should call Jerry Springer. > > > > > > >> _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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I keep hearing about these Aphex Twins, but I can't seem to find any of their stuff. m@2zo www.thechisa.com "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of the shadow of death!'" -- Mr. T On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote:

quoted 198 lines Didn't you already say this? And no, it really wouldn't make me shallow,

> Didn't you already say this? And no, it really wouldn't make me shallow, > I was being facetious. If you read the whole e-mail you'll see I don't > always go for wacky new sounds, and alot of the stuff I go for has more > melody and more complex song writing than the best of idm. > > As far as wacky new sounds AND competent songwriting goes though, WAKE UP > APHEX > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, The Chisa wrote: > > > > > Yeah, that would pretty much make you shallow, buddy. > > > > Call me crazy but: how about a nice balance of wacky new sounds AND > > competent songwriting? > > > > > > m@2zo > > www.thechisa.com > > > > > > "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of > > the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in > > the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of > > the shadow of death!'" > > > > -- Mr. T > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote: > > > > > Well, I might sound shallow or something, but yeah, I wanna hear crazy new > > > sounds. If I just wanna hear well written songs, which sometimes I do, > > > I'll listen to Bach, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Coltrane, Davis, Beatles, > > > Beach Boys etc. The point is as far as well written songs go there is > > > alot > > > more stuff out there alot better than crunch, and while it may not use > > > electronic sounds, if I want those I go to Autechre or whoever is up to > > > crazy weird shit. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Michael J Henderson Jr. wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Admittedly, Crunch isn't exactly breaking much new ground, but, uhm, > > > > does that mean that it's somehow not valid? ... I mean, this is exactly > > > > the problem with Confield. It seems like a lot of people just want to hear > > > > "Crazy New Shit", not good ol' well written songs. > > > > > > > > Sheesh, as if it's sacrilege to compare someone else to ae. > > > > > > > > -- - > > > > Nintari Man > > > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote: > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:09:04 -0600 (MDT) > > > > > From: Brian M. Cass <kingmob@nmt.edu> > > > > > To: Nintari Man <nintarispam@nintari.com> > > > > > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > > > I haven't heard chris clark or boulderdash, but Crunch? I'm listening to > > > > > it now, and although I don't hate the album, how on earth can you, ugh, I > > > > > mean this isn't anything Autechre couldn't have done around Chiastic, and > > > > > even they didn't make such a simple cd, at least they went for more of an > > > > > artistic slant. I've heard some of the tracks off of Confield, and > > > > > personally I was hoping they would all be a bit more like Vis Scose, where > > > > > each track doesn't pay off until half way through. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nintari Man wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alright, I'm disappointed. I'll admit it. Now I'll go off on a rant. > > > > > > > > > > > > <OPINION> > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as the melodic qualities of each track go, I'm entirely > > > > > > unimpressed. There's not much to be said about that. It either seems to be > > > > > > not there, not enough, or nothing new. Minimalism at it's most boring. > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I like the ass-shaking Autechre. This new album is most > > > > > > definately devoid of ass-shaking beatage. the 'Beats that might sound > > > > > > cool if they weren't so horribly fucked' aren't doing it for me. The > > > > > > tracks that do have some kind of coherent rhythm sound like they were > > > > > > programmed by a 3 year old with brain damage. Also, the oh-so-unsubtle and > > > > > > ridiculous timing/tempo changes on some of the tracks, uhm ... not slick, > > > > > > jack. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm both amused and disturbed by how close the fakes I made ended up > > > > > > sounding like the actual tracks. I thought to myself, "What would AE sound > > > > > > like if they crawled a bit too far up their own asses", and proceeded to > > > > > > make tracks in 5 minutes that could probably quite easily fit in on > > > > > > Confield. Scary. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps AE decided to get a laugh out of releasing a terrible record and > > > > > > getting every idm jagoff to say that it's fresh. Sadly, I don't think > > > > > > that's the case. The next step in hip hop from the Nth dimension? > > > > > > Perhaps, but I'm not sure if it's a step in the right direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > My advice? Invest in some of the more impressive up-and-comers before > > > > > > buying this album -- Boulderdash, Chris Clark, and Crunch. > > > > > > > > > > > > </OPINION> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- - > > > > > > Nintari Man > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Mark wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:27:12 -0700 > > > > > > > From: Mark <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> > > > > > > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now, trying to get off this roller coaster, what do people think of > > > > > > > the album? Supposedly it's released out in Japan, and i've seen it on > > > > > > > napster now, so I know some of you have it. Out with it! No more of > > > > > > > this rhetorical discussion on discussion BS. Let's have the meat of the > > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rw wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The people who wrote this message have been sacked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "sarah ellenberger" <djdesada@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:56 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> dear fellow idmers > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> it has come to my attention that perhaps we should not discuss whether or > > > > > > > >> not to discuss the new autechre album. perhaps that would be against the > > > > > > > >> consensus of the list. perhaps we should elect a senate to decide whether > > > > > > > >> or not we should be discussing whether or not we should discuss the new > > > > > > > >> autechre album... and then elect a different senate (composed of different > > > > > > > >> members) to discuss whether or not to discuss whether or not we should > > > > > > > >> discuss the new squarepusher release. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> perhaps? let me know what you all think. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> perhaps we should call Jerry Springer. > > > > > > > >> _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >

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on 4/20/01 1:06 PM, The Chisa at matt@holland.deathhouse.net wrote:

quoted 3 lines I keep hearing about these Aphex Twins, but I can't seem to find any of

> > I keep hearing about these Aphex Twins, but I can't seem to find any of > their stuff.

You're kidding, right? Peter "Pachinko" Ý - http://www.mp3.com/pachinko - --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Kidding? No sir. I can't find EITHER of these so-called Aphex Twins in my local Sam Goody. Thompson Twins, yeah. Cocteau Twins, plenty. But no Aphex Twins. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong section. m@2zo www.thechisa.com "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of the shadow of death!'" -- Mr. T On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Peter Schrock wrote:

quoted 16 lines on 4/20/01 1:06 PM, The Chisa at matt@holland.deathhouse.net wrote:

> on 4/20/01 1:06 PM, The Chisa at matt@holland.deathhouse.net wrote: > > > > > I keep hearing about these Aphex Twins, but I can't seem to find any of > > their stuff. > You're kidding, right? > > Peter "Pachinko" ? > - http://www.mp3.com/pachinko - > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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You seem to be implying that the songs on the new Autechre release are not well written songs. Though they don't have a standard pop-0song structure, I do think that there is solid song writing there. To my ears I am carried through each piece and rewarded with peaks and valleys of sonic joy. And I find myself humming along ;) For me it is their best work to-date. peace, Chad Mossholder Twine/Twinesound Audio Productions ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????. http://www.four09.org/twine http://www.heftyrecords.com http://www.komplott.com twine@heftyrecords.com .??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? --"The original is unfaithful to the copy." Jorge Luis Borges

quoted 10 lines From: "Brian M. Cass" <kingmob@nmt.edu>

>From: "Brian M. Cass" <kingmob@nmt.edu> >To: "Michael J Henderson Jr." <mike@wolfetech.com> >CC: Nintari Man <nintarispam@nintari.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:07:00 -0600 (MDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [209.133.83.16] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBCA89EAC00A1400431E2D1855310057F0; Thu Apr 19 14:07:56 2001 >Received: (qmail 13968 invoked by uid 281); 19 Apr 2001 21:07:10 -0000 >Received: (qmail 13920 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 21:07:09 -0000

From idm-return-33266-twine_sound Thu Apr 19 14:09:39 2001

quoted 203 lines Mailing-List: contact idm-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm

>Mailing-List: contact idm-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: <mailto:idm-help@hyperreal.org> >list-unsubscribe: <mailto:idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org> >list-post: <mailto:idm@hyperreal.org> >Delivered-To: mailing list idm@hyperreal.org >X-Authentication-Warning: boardwalk.nmt.edu: kingmob owned process doing >-bs >In-Reply-To: ><Pine.LNX.4.21.0104190502050.17203-100000@holland.deathhouse.net> >Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0104191504360.6571-100000@boardwalk.nmt.edu> > >Well, I might sound shallow or something, but yeah, I wanna hear crazy new >sounds. If I just wanna hear well written songs, which sometimes I do, >I'll listen to Bach, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Coltrane, Davis, Beatles, >Beach Boys etc. The point is as far as well written songs go there is >alot >more stuff out there alot better than crunch, and while it may not use >electronic sounds, if I want those I go to Autechre or whoever is up to >crazy weird shit. > > >On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Michael J Henderson Jr. wrote: > > > > > Admittedly, Crunch isn't exactly breaking much new ground, but, uhm, > > does that mean that it's somehow not valid? ... I mean, this is exactly > > the problem with Confield. It seems like a lot of people just want to >hear > > "Crazy New Shit", not good ol' well written songs. > > > > Sheesh, as if it's sacrilege to compare someone else to ae. > > > > -- - > > Nintari Man > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Brian M. Cass wrote: > > > > > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:09:04 -0600 (MDT) > > > From: Brian M. Cass <kingmob@nmt.edu> > > > To: Nintari Man <nintarispam@nintari.com> > > > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > > > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > I haven't heard chris clark or boulderdash, but Crunch? I'm listening >to > > > it now, and although I don't hate the album, how on earth can you, >ugh, I > > > mean this isn't anything Autechre couldn't have done around Chiastic, >and > > > even they didn't make such a simple cd, at least they went for more of >an > > > artistic slant. I've heard some of the tracks off of Confield, and > > > personally I was hoping they would all be a bit more like Vis Scose, >where > > > each track doesn't pay off until half way through. > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nintari Man wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Alright, I'm disappointed. I'll admit it. Now I'll go off on a rant. > > > > > > > > <OPINION> > > > > > > > > As far as the melodic qualities of each track go, I'm entirely > > > > unimpressed. There's not much to be said about that. It either seems >to be > > > > not there, not enough, or nothing new. Minimalism at it's most >boring. > > > > > > > > Personally, I like the ass-shaking Autechre. This new album is most > > > > definately devoid of ass-shaking beatage. the 'Beats that might >sound > > > > cool if they weren't so horribly fucked' aren't doing it for me. The > > > > tracks that do have some kind of coherent rhythm sound like they >were > > > > programmed by a 3 year old with brain damage. Also, the >oh-so-unsubtle and > > > > ridiculous timing/tempo changes on some of the tracks, uhm ... not >slick, > > > > jack. > > > > > > > > I'm both amused and disturbed by how close the fakes I made ended up > > > > sounding like the actual tracks. I thought to myself, "What would AE >sound > > > > like if they crawled a bit too far up their own asses", and >proceeded to > > > > make tracks in 5 minutes that could probably quite easily fit in on > > > > Confield. Scary. > > > > > > > > Perhaps AE decided to get a laugh out of releasing a terrible record >and > > > > getting every idm jagoff to say that it's fresh. Sadly, I don't >think > > > > that's the case. The next step in hip hop from the Nth dimension? > > > > Perhaps, but I'm not sure if it's a step in the right direction. > > > > > > > > My advice? Invest in some of the more impressive up-and-comers >before > > > > buying this album -- Boulderdash, Chris Clark, and Crunch. > > > > > > > > </OPINION> > > > > > > > > -- - > > > > Nintari Man > > > > > > > > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Mark wrote: > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:27:12 -0700 > > > > > From: Mark <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> > > > > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > > > So now, trying to get off this roller coaster, what do people >think of > > > > > the album? Supposedly it's released out in Japan, and i've seen >it on > > > > > napster now, so I know some of you have it. Out with it! No more >of > > > > > this rhetorical discussion on discussion BS. Let's have the meat >of the > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > -mark > > > > > > > > > > rw wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The people who wrote this message have been sacked. > > > > > > > > > > > > rw > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "sarah ellenberger" <djdesada@hotmail.com> > > > > > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:56 PM > > > > > > Subject: [idm] on discussing autechre on the list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> dear fellow idmers > > > > > >> > > > > > >> it has come to my attention that perhaps we should not discuss >whether or > > > > > >> not to discuss the new autechre album. perhaps that would be >against the > > > > > >> consensus of the list. perhaps we should elect a senate to >decide whether > > > > > >> or not we should be discussing whether or not we should discuss >the new > > > > > >> autechre album... and then elect a different senate (composed >of different > > > > > >> members) to discuss whether or not to discuss whether or not we >should > > > > > >> discuss the new squarepusher release. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> perhaps? let me know what you all think. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> perhaps we should call Jerry Springer. > > > > > >> >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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on 4/19/01 1:13 PM, .Twine . at twine_sound@hotmail.com wrote:

quoted 5 lines You seem to be implying that the songs on the new Autechre release are not

> You seem to be implying that the songs on the new Autechre release are not > well written songs. Though they don't have a standard pop-0song structure, > I do think that there is solid song writing there. To my ears I am carried > through each piece and rewarded with peaks and valleys of sonic joy. And I > find myself humming along ;) For me it is their best work to-date.

I don't think anyone is disputing that, just merely an opinion that, at least from my stance, it isn't what I had hoped for, I guess that is my fault for having preconcieved ideas for what Autechre should sound like. Peter "Pachinko" Ý - http://www.mp3.com/pachinko - --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Hi. I have ADD. I like IDM. The new Autechre record sucks because they didn't answer my emails, and take my advice/expert opinons as to how they should sound. I've been waiting a long time for a new autechre album. I'm so dissapointed. I think I'm going to email them personally and tell them how much they suck. Die Autechre, Die. Keep it real, t2s == .,-:-,,. .AMMMHMMHHMII, .AMMHHMMMHHMMHMMMHHA. .AMHHMMMMHIMMMMMMHMHHHHHL .AHHIHHMMHIMMMMMMMHMHHHMHLH: ,LHHIIHHHHIHMHMMMMMHMHHHLHHAIA ;IHHIHHMMH:IHMHMMMMMMHMHIHLIHHIA .:IHHII:':'..:.:IHMHMMHHHHIHHLIHH. ,I:AVI::.'. .'.'.::IAHMHMHHIALVAIHA ,A:AVI::.'. . . '.:IAVMMHAVLVAIVHHA ;HIHHMHHIHHMHMMMMMHMHHIHI::.:.. : . . AHAA. .AHIHMMMHMHMHMMHMMMMHMHII::.:.. . . . ..:HMMH: AHV':HHMHHMHMMMHMMMMMHHI::.:.. .. . .AOAVA/'-.. :I''VHHMMMHHMMMHMMMMHMHI::... :. . . ..AOOLV/.:.:.:''--...,. ' .AHIHHMHHMMMMHMMMMMMMI:.... :. . .AAVAV/.:. . .: . .''''-. _____________________________________________________________ Get email for your site ---> http://www.everyone.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

You are my hero, sir. m@2zo www.thechisa.com "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of the shadow of death!'" -- Mr. T On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Totally 2 Step wrote:

quoted 34 lines Hi.

> Hi. > > I have ADD. I like IDM. The new Autechre record sucks because they didn't answer my emails, and take my advice/expert opinons as to how they should sound. I've been waiting a long time for a new autechre album. I'm so dissapointed. I think I'm going to email them personally and tell them how much they suck. > > Die Autechre, Die. > > Keep it real, > > t2s > > == > .,-:-,,. > .AMMMHMMHHMII, > .AMMHHMMMHHMMHMMMHHA. > .AMHHMMMMHIMMMMMMHMHHHHHL > .AHHIHHMMHIMMMMMMMHMHHHMHLH: > ,LHHIIHHHHIHMHMMMMMHMHHHLHHAIA > ;IHHIHHMMH:IHMHMMMMMMHMHIHLIHHIA > .:IHHII:':'..:.:IHMHMMHHHHIHHLIHH. > ,I:AVI::.'. .'.'.::IAHMHMHHIALVAIHA > ,A:AVI::.'. . . '.:IAVMMHAVLVAIVHHA > ;HIHHMHHIHHMHMMMMMHMHHIHI::.:.. : . . AHAA. > .AHIHMMMHMHMHMMHMMMMHMHII::.:.. . . . ..:HMMH: > AHV':HHMHHMHMMMHMMMMMHHI::.:.. .. . .AOAVA/'-.. > :I''VHHMMMHHMMMHMMMMHMHI::... :. . . ..AOOLV/.:.:.:''--...,. > ' .AHIHHMHHMMMMHMMMMMMMI:.... :. . .AAVAV/.:. . .: . .''''-. > > _____________________________________________________________ > Get email for your site ---> http://www.everyone.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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what are you saying? Are you implying that IDM is somehow, "stupid"? Die Autechre, Die, t2s --- Shawn Hatfield <twerk@audibleoddities.com>

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> wrote: >as we travel backwards in time........ > >Kuntanta of the African tribe 'Zimdangas' exclaims..."where the fuck did i >put my waldorf microwave XT!!!. Without >pads dripping emotional sensitivity...we're fucked!. Ok, pack up the drums, >we're obviously not music" > >Twerk > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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*** snip *** I'm flattered, but, uh, again. ...Those tracks are _not_ good. I did it as a goof, and they turned out somewhat similar, so, take that for what it's worth. If you want to hear my real music, go to http://www.deathhouse.net/teamtechno/ -- - Nintari Man *** unsnip *** i agree. i think the ae fakes suck. can't see falling for them as ae actually. on the other hand, the "untitled excerpt" of your actual music is nice. haven't heard the new ae yet, but i plan on giving it a careful listen. j __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 11 lines sux.

> > >> sux. >> worst album by them imo. >> ever. > > > Isn't this said about every album autechre's put out since tri repetae? > > In that case, now I'm *really* looking forward to it. >

Yeah, I'm starting to really like it. There's really only one totally non-melodic track, and it's actually pretty sick. The only track that leaves me stupified is the last one, where the song disintegrates into a barrage of beats for six minutes. One thing I really like, its the darkest Ae album they've released. Not cold, but EVIL. Got to love that. -mark

Too bad it's called Cornfield. That's not evil. That's not evil at all.

quoted 8 lines barrage of beats for six minutes.

> barrage of beats for six minutes. > > One thing I really like, its the darkest Ae album they've released. Not > > cold, but EVIL. Got to love that. > > -mark >

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it's not called cornfield, though. At 09:23 PM 4/19/2001 -0700, you wrote:

quoted 7 lines Too bad it's called Cornfield. That's not evil. That's not evil at all.

>Too bad it's called Cornfield. That's not evil. That's not evil at all. > > > barrage of beats for six minutes. > > > > One thing I really like, its the darkest Ae album they've released. Not > > > > cold, but EVIL. Got to love that.

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At 09:21 PM 4/19/2001 -0700, Mark wrote:

quoted 2 lines Yeah, I'm starting to really like it. There's really only one totally non-melodi

>Yeah, I'm starting to really like it. There's really only one totally non-melodic track, and it's actually pretty sick. The only track that leaves me stupified is the last one, where the song disintegrates into a barrage of beats for six minutes. >One thing I really like, its the darkest Ae album they've released. Not cold, but EVIL. Got to love that.

I have to add another vote that the new album sp4nks. It makes me think of Envane, for some reason. I'm just surprised at how stony and bassy tracks like "Sim Gishel" are. Definitely a slightly different emotional flavor from old Autechre. More ambiguous? If you still think Amber is their best album, you're probably going to find this their shittiest yet. Personally, I love the way they still have melody, but give it up within the song less easily. Their songs still all sound like the taste of copper to me, which never changes. I like the new Crush album as cute, well-written pop. MAS albums are like the Destiny's Child of IDM. It will be rinsed through my speakers often. While I'm liking things, I like peach Clearly Canadian, too. ---- Jeff Pitrman http://component.robotcore.net/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 15 lines .AMMMHMMHHMII,

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quoted 2 lines From: Jeff Pitrman <jeff@spof.net>

> From: Jeff Pitrman <jeff@spof.net> > I like the new Crush album as cute, well-written

pop. MAS

quoted 1 line albums are like the Destiny's Child of IDM. It will

> albums are like the Destiny's Child of IDM. It will

be rinsed

quoted 1 line through my speakers often.

> through my speakers often.

Whoah! Stop the press! I can't stand Destiny's Child (the lyrics! Ugh!), but likening Crunch to pop music intrigues me even more. I've always enjoyed the MAS 12" releases, so perhaps I should quit procrastinating and buy the damn album...

quoted 1 line While I'm liking things, I like peach Clearly

> While I'm liking things, I like peach Clearly

Canadian, too. I tried the Blackberry yesterday, and I can tell this could become addictive... like Frappucino. Yumma Gumma. -djgyn, forever ===== ======= "GASR" -(Accession recording artists)- << http://gasr.somewhere.net >> << http://www.accession-records.com >> "Transmissions From Scumsburg" -(Industrial Radio Show)- << http://www.angelfire.com/ma/scumsburg/ >> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

sorry but I had to post this: Raspberry Canadian Clear is my fave and I suggest you all check it out. hmmmm, should say something IDM related. Heard some Chris Clark tracks and they seemed pretty wicked, ordered that the other day, anyone wanna review Clarence Park? On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, djgyn forever wrote:

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> > From: Jeff Pitrman <jeff@spof.net> > > I like the new Crush album as cute, well-written > pop. MAS > > albums are like the Destiny's Child of IDM. It will > be rinsed > > through my speakers often. > > Whoah! Stop the press! I can't stand Destiny's Child > (the lyrics! Ugh!), but likening Crunch to pop music > intrigues me even more. I've always enjoyed the MAS > 12" releases, so perhaps I should quit procrastinating > and buy the damn album... > > > While I'm liking things, I like peach Clearly > Canadian, too. > > I tried the Blackberry yesterday, and I can tell this > could become addictive... like Frappucino. > > Yumma Gumma. > > -djgyn, forever > > > > ===== > ======= > "GASR" -(Accession recording artists)- > << http://gasr.somewhere.net >> > << http://www.accession-records.com >> > > "Transmissions From Scumsburg" -(Industrial Radio Show)- > << http://www.angelfire.com/ma/scumsburg/ >> > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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