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2000-11-15 15:55Tosh Cooey [idm] house vs. idm
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└─ 2000-11-16 18:05Irene McC [idm] On-U Sound
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2000-11-15 17:55Ross Balmer Re: [idm] house vs. idm
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2000-11-15 15:55Tosh Cooeythe general stereotype is that IDM is boring chin-stroking look at your feet or the perfor
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the general stereotype is that IDM is boring chin-stroking look at your feet or the performer music. for house it's one of gino(a)'s dancing to foofy music with no intellect behind it. Anyone who actively believes either is an idiot. Of course anyone who actively disbelieves either is also an idiot. The basic reason that IDM people aren't so into house is all psychological. People who base their self-worth more on their intelligence don't base it as much on their physical appearance, and vice versa, and when at a club listening to house music physical appearance is the most emphacized (mostly because it's too loud to chin stroke with someone else about the music) and people who feel uncomfortable about their physical appearance aren't comfortable in that kind of setting and hence dismissive of the music. So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably because you have a low sense of self-worth WRT to physical appearance, so get over yourself already, house has been around a lot longer then IDM. Oh and go get the Swayzak album. Tosh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 20:13Wendy Kok, i really cant resist - the rest of this post was so illogical it made no sense. perhap
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ok, i really cant resist - the rest of this post was so illogical it made no sense. perhaps we need a thread on the origins of idm - did it really start with aphex twin & autechre? thought idm has origins with people like philip glass, steve reich, john cage, stockhausen, eno. maybe i'm wrong again. i have deep house records from the early eighties - what was juan atkins cybotron and early experimental hip hop electro??? and electronic music from san francisco that i would consider idm from the same time period. although i look like a thin bearded boy named bob with glasses i didnt think my self esteem was that low. i also have latin, middle eastern, sufi, sitar, reggae, dub, hard techno drum n bass, frank sinatra, james brown, sade (!) and jack kerouac reading poetry to some jazz dudes blowing mean & hard in my record collection...so i probably dont even BELONG on this list. oh yeah, and as an ex san frandisKo resident, i got some disco, jefferson airplane, country joe & the fish, hendrix, joplin and quicksilver messenger service albums 2 - but that doesnt mean i'm a smelly tied died dead head does it???? i'm just some old skool dude with musical perspective. *L* tosh said:
quoted 5 lines So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably> >So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably >because you have a low sense of self-worth WRT to physical appearance, >so get over yourself already, house has been around a lot longer then >IDM.
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2000-11-15 20:54Lee AzzarelloThere is no IDM in my house. -l on 11/15/00 7:55 AM, Tosh Cooey at tosh@c4.ca wrote: > the
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There is no IDM in my house. -l on 11/15/00 7:55 AM, Tosh Cooey at tosh@c4.ca wrote:
quoted 29 lines the general stereotype is that IDM is boring chin-stroking look at your> the general stereotype is that IDM is boring chin-stroking look at your > feet or the performer music. for house it's one of gino(a)'s dancing to > foofy music with no intellect behind it. > > Anyone who actively believes either is an idiot. Of course anyone who > actively disbelieves either is also an idiot. > > The basic reason that IDM people aren't so into house is all > psychological. People who base their self-worth more on their > intelligence don't base it as much on their physical appearance, and > vice versa, and when at a club listening to house music physical > appearance is the most emphacized (mostly because it's too loud to chin > stroke with someone else about the music) and people who feel > uncomfortable about their physical appearance aren't comfortable in that > kind of setting and hence dismissive of the music. > > So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably > because you have a low sense of self-worth WRT to physical appearance, > so get over yourself already, house has been around a lot longer then > IDM. > > Oh and go get the Swayzak album. > > Tosh > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-11-16 00:54oralI'm seeking contacts and addresses of experimental electronic labels and artists. In order
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I'm seeking contacts and addresses of experimental electronic labels and artists. In order to build a database for future events in Montreal, Quebec Any infos welcome, reply privately, please! Thanks Eric Mattson ORAL, labOral............ Oral: http://www.oral.qc.ca ............ ............ Oral at BIly Kuhn, 354 Mont_Royal est, Montreal, Quebec Dr P(r)axil: Tuesdays and thursdays, 10 PM to 2AM DJ Mir: Fridays, 10 PM to 2AM ............ ............ ORAl #1: Akufen 01-02, 12", june 2000, available distribution: Formic, Kompakt upcoming: ORAl #CD1: Ælab, Sparks CD, november 2000 distribution: ? ............ ............ MUTEK 2001, "ideator" http://www.mutek.ca --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 17:35ff ghaha, wow man, you ve got it all figured out. Well i do sort of agree w/ you to some exten
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haha, wow man, you ve got it all figured out. Well i do sort of agree w/ you to some extent; i was even making refrence to that in a joke about some guy's stuff i was hearing the other day, saying he's trying to do this fucked up music as revenge for not being able to participate in club action. The simple fact is, house is predictable and boring to listen to, and i may not be bad looking--and all the girls on the dance floor may be fine as fuck (i live in miami, trust me)..but it's just cheesy, repetitive music. Straight up...i can chill to house after ive had about 5 beers and i dont care anymore what's on and i'm gettin down. So basically i think house is just definitely for having fun , and not for 'listening' per say. d --- Tosh Cooey <tosh@c4.ca> wrote:
quoted 39 lines the general stereotype is that IDM is boring> the general stereotype is that IDM is boring > chin-stroking look at your > feet or the performer music. for house it's one of > gino(a)'s dancing to > foofy music with no intellect behind it. > > Anyone who actively believes either is an idiot. Of > course anyone who > actively disbelieves either is also an idiot. > > The basic reason that IDM people aren't so into > house is all > psychological. People who base their self-worth > more on their > intelligence don't base it as much on their physical > appearance, and > vice versa, and when at a club listening to house > music physical > appearance is the most emphacized (mostly because > it's too loud to chin > stroke with someone else about the music) and people > who feel > uncomfortable about their physical appearance aren't > comfortable in that > kind of setting and hence dismissive of the music. > > So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like > house it's probably > because you have a low sense of self-worth WRT to > physical appearance, > so get over yourself already, house has been around > a lot longer then > IDM. > > Oh and go get the Swayzak album. > > Tosh > >
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2000-11-15 18:54Kent williamsOn Wed, 15 Nov 2000, ff g wrote: > The simple fact is, house is predictable and boring to
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quoted 2 lines The simple fact is, house is predictable and boring to> The simple fact is, house is predictable and boring to > listen to,
There are loads of house records that are interesting and rewarding. And watch Terrence Parker DJ if you think House can't be exciting. You can't condemn a genre for it's worst examples. I could make you a list of crappy IDM tracks if it comes to that... Of course the whole point of House music is the dance/club experience. As the saying goes, House Music Is A Feeling. It's party music. It's purpose built. It probably won't work to sit at home reading Foucault, sip tea and listen to bangin house music. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 19:35Jeff Shoemaker>The simple fact is, house is predictable and boring to >listen to, only predictable and b
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quoted 2 lines The simple fact is, house is predictable and boring to>The simple fact is, house is predictable and boring to >listen to,
only predictable and boring house is predictable and boring and i may not be bad looking--and all the
quoted 5 lines girls on the dance floor may be fine as fuck (i live>girls on the dance floor may be fine as fuck (i live >in miami, trust me)..but it's just cheesy, repetitive >music. Straight up...i can chill to house after ive >had about 5 beers and i dont care anymore what's on >and i'm gettin down.
you mean after your inhibitions have been reduced by alcohol? sounds like you "want" to get down, but something's stopping you. So basically i think house is
quoted 2 lines just definitely for having fun , and not for>just definitely for having fun , and not for >'listening' per say.
you know, all my raver/clubber friends think that they know all about idm too. they think they've got it pegged because they dropped the needle on EP7 or some Mego rec at the record store a year ago. it's all "squiggly, chirpy, boring" stuff. your wholesale dismissal of house as all "cheesy, repetitive" is as provincial and laughable as their assessment of idm. if you truly think that then you are simply listening to the wrong house. i know plenty of house djs that bring a shitload of thoughtfulness and emotion to their selection and spinning. Coy West and Tektite's Merrick Brown spring instantly to mind. the same mister Brown, by the way, that has released tunes by several respected "idm" guys as well as bringing the Stewart Walker full length to the world. frankly, it's as "intelligent" as anything else IMO. and a damn sight more delight per pound than a night of chin-stroking and trainspotting. what's more, i can sit down and listen to tapes of theirs and rock out at home. whether i'm rocking in a "house" way or an "idm" way is, truthfully, something that i don't think merits discussion at all. some crap miami house dj mixing up dubs of whitney houston songs is NOT house in a nutshell, as much as you want it to be. feel free to flaunt your ignorance as much as you like on the list, though, 'cause i'm sure you can find plenty of people to agree with you. what the hell kind of crap, misguided aceticism led us to this? when did a fundamental split between the mind and body become so hip for grown men? i mean, when i was a jack-boot wearing industrial kid in 1990 i felt that house was crap, but i was 15. since then i've watched industrial, techno, and most recently drum and bass lose all it's funk and drown in it's own sophomoric, i-can-now-grow-a-beard waste. now, in retrospect, it seems as if idm was tailor made for this end. sometimes i'm scared to shit of the politics of idm. i thought i left this shit behind in high school. . .that reminds me, there's a new Geddy Lee solo CD, so go geddit and show people how progressive your tastes are. respect to those that haven't lost the plot. ------------ 1642 try 621 ------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 19:39atomlyI don't mean to be a dick, but this thread is really starting to piss me off- I can't beli
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I don't mean to be a dick, but this thread is really starting to piss me off- I can't believe the arrogance and being exuded by uninformed people on this list right now. I don't know how people can say that IDM is complex music that you sit and listen to because it's so hard to understand- I have yet to find *any* IDM like this. IDM is simply house music with beats that are slightly weirder and different synths. It's not any less repetitive or any more "heady." Most fucking IDM producers don't even know how to make a key change, much less write music that requires me to sit down because it's so fucking complex i can't listen to it and stand up at the same time. Sure, a lot of bad house (and there is a lot of it) sounds the same, but how many Autechre clones are there out there? They're certainly not doing anything crazier than a lot of the house producers out there, of whom there are a lot of great ones, especially in the "tech-house" areas. Go to www.mad-net.de and listen for a long time then come back and talk to me. -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 22:14Lee AzzarelloOnce again atomly speaks truth. a breath of fresh air in a angry polluted environment. His
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Once again atomly speaks truth. a breath of fresh air in a angry polluted environment. His musics sound good and he knows what they are. +++++++++++all uninformed and eager persons and brains need more birds and grasshoppers in their houses and less idmeming to pollute their musical landscape+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [my house doesn't need any key changes] idlmno need loops processed by acid-kraft http://www.sonicfoundry.com/Loop_Libraries/ShowLoop.asp?PID=376 -lee on 11/15/00 11:39 AM, atomly at atomly@atomly.com wrote:
quoted 22 lines I don't mean to be a dick, but this thread is really starting to piss me> I don't mean to be a dick, but this thread is really starting to piss me > off- I can't believe the arrogance and being exuded by uninformed people > on this list right now. > > I don't know how people can say that IDM is complex music that you sit > and listen to because it's so hard to understand- I have yet to find > *any* IDM like this. IDM is simply house music with beats that are > slightly weirder and different synths. It's not any less repetitive or > any more "heady." > > Most fucking IDM producers don't even know how to make a key change, > much less write music that requires me to sit down because it's so > fucking complex i can't listen to it and stand up at the same time. > > Sure, a lot of bad house (and there is a lot of it) sounds the same, but > how many Autechre clones are there out there? They're certainly not > doing anything crazier than a lot of the house producers out there, of > whom there are a lot of great ones, especially in the "tech-house" > areas. > > Go to www.mad-net.de and listen for a long time then come back and talk > to me.
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2000-11-15 22:48%andrew<Someone said something along these lines...> > I don't mean to be a dick, but this thread
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quoted 3 lines I don't mean to be a dick, but this thread is really starting to piss me> I don't mean to be a dick, but this thread is really starting to piss me > off- I can't believe the arrogance and being exuded by uninformed people > on this list right now.
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quoted 9 lines I don't know how people can say that IDM is complex music that you sit> I don't know how people can say that IDM is complex music that you sit > and listen to because it's so hard to understand- I have yet to find > *any* IDM like this. IDM is simply house music with beats that are > slightly weirder and different synths. It's not any less repetitive or > any more "heady." > > Most fucking IDM producers don't even know how to make a key change, > much less write music that requires me to sit down because it's so > fucking complex i can't listen to it and stand up at the same time.
I couldn't agree more.
quoted 5 lines Sure, a lot of bad house (and there is a lot of it) sounds the same, but> Sure, a lot of bad house (and there is a lot of it) sounds the same, but > how many Autechre clones are there out there? They're certainly not > doing anything crazier than a lot of the house producers out there, of > whom there are a lot of great ones, especially in the "tech-house" > areas.
I would venture to say that many of the new "tech-house minimal groove" releases of late are many, many times more "challenging" and interesting than any IDM I've heard in the last few years. "Challenging" in that they actually are doing something different, redefining "house" and taking it to a whole new level. If you pick up a Perlon record, you're actually going to hear something that is fresh and knocks your socks off, not some rehashed, DSP wank-off track made my some geezer who couldn't write a funky track if their legs were on the line. The same can be said for a lot of newer techno records. Please, PLEASE, let's not write off genres of music until we've heard all they have to offer... that's not a very "intelligent" thing to do. -andrew -- Eupholus Records (217)353-5188 http://www.eupholus.net/ "We use sex, rock 'n roll, and dope as part of the communist plot. That's a hard combination to beat!" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 22:50indecision_of_a_childOn Wed, 15 Nov 2000, atomly wrote: > I don't mean to be a dick, but this thread is really
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, atomly wrote:
quoted 7 lines I don't mean to be a dick, but this thread is really starting to piss me> I don't mean to be a dick, but this thread is really starting to piss me > off- I can't believe the arrogance and being exuded by uninformed people > on this list right now. > > I don't know how people can say that IDM is complex music that you sit > and listen to because it's so hard to understand- I have yet to find > *any* IDM like this.
you're above me. there is plenty of idm that has made me sit down and think twice :) thats usually the stuff i buy. come to think of it, i have bought house for this reason. and pop (olivia tremor control anybody?). and noise. and techno. and punk (oh how i love thee boredoms). and milk cult. idm that has done this to me? arovane (not tides, which i find dull in that funkstorung sort of typical idm sort of way), autechre, the aphex twin track on the "or some music comp" (that i keep mentioning :), the new christian voegl and jamie lidell, si begg stuff, phoenecia (especially this last time i saw them live), richie devine, land of the loops (okay, maybe they are not idm and maybe they didnt make me think -- but theyre cute and nice to cuddle to), some of the lexacunculpt i have heard that never seems to hit cd/record (just to spark a thread about how we here in socal suck and lex sucks or is god or rips off whoever), phthalocyanine (!!), or bassland during numerous occasions (who cross into house/techno/whatever), jega, m-ziq live (who otherwise bores me because im above it all ya know?)... well, enough of that. chris. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 23:24*!*!> Go to www.mad-net.de and listen for a long time then come back and talk > to me. oh yes.
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quoted 2 lines Go to www.mad-net.de and listen for a long time then come back and talk> Go to www.mad-net.de and listen for a long time then come back and talk > to me.
oh yes.. the home of perlon, kompakt, klang and playhouse. lovely idm-house music is music is music. anyone pick up the new Matthew Herbert on Tresor. Kind of surprising to see herbert on tresor...but overall.... its IDM!!!! hahah.. its weird crunchy house music... like tresor meets ...welll...herbert. =) i also highly recommend the steve bug release on Dessous (who knew...fancy panties!) the downtempo track is amazing...as well as the flip.. acid techno meets house music == IDM!!!!! so....can anyone answer this: Is Plastikman defined as: A) Techno B) Trance C) House D) IDM p.s. i dont mean richie hawtin. i mean Plastikman...the old production side of hawtin. hahah good luck fuckers. -m ------------------------------------------------------------ "If your raver happens to be a professional DJ, don't let him/her talk you into calling him/her a techno shaman or priest. S/he spins records, not guides souls." -- Tips on dating a raver --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 22:32atomlyOn Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 05:24:38PM -0600, *!*! wrote: > oh yes.. the home of perlon, kompa
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quoted 2 lines oh yes.. the home of perlon, kompakt, klang and playhouse. lovely> oh yes.. the home of perlon, kompakt, klang and playhouse. lovely > idm-house
And *RAUM* which is the fucking dopest label ever. Any of you who say house isn't intelligent- go pick up a record on Raum tomorrow.
quoted 3 lines anyone pick up the new Matthew Herbert on Tresor. Kind of surprising to> anyone pick up the new Matthew Herbert on Tresor. Kind of surprising to > see herbert on tresor...but overall.... its IDM!!!! hahah.. its > weird crunchy house music... like tresor meets ...welll...herbert. =)
Yea, this record is fucking awesome- I need to check out the mix CD. -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-16 15:30Kent williamsOn Wed, 15 Nov 2000, atomly wrote: > > Most fucking IDM producers don't even know how to m
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quoted 5 lines Most fucking IDM producers don't even know how to make a key change,> > Most fucking IDM producers don't even know how to make a key change, > much less write music that requires me to sit down because it's so > fucking complex i can't listen to it and stand up at the same time. >
You know that's a quote worthy of your tombstone -- I about bust a gut laughing. Though it might be more accurate to say, "most IDM producers aren't aware of it WHEN they make a key change." People modulate all the time, without really knowing what that means. And it becomes a pretty blurry concept in the folk/pop tradition of the last 50 years, which is based around changing guitar chords in sometimes arbitrary ways. I actually was, as they say "classically trained" -- my mum is a composer and my dad a symphony conductor. Dance music is as different from traditional pop and 'serious' western music as gamelan or indian classical music. To the extent that dance music has harmonic content, it's usually pretty simple stuff -- it's going to be more based on standard folk music motifs than anything else. You might not hear the connection between Woody Guthrie and Boards of Canada, but it's there. There are people doing stuff that's 'Jazzy' but I doubt many of them have any deep theoretical grasp of how Jazz changes and scales work. Hell I don't get most of that shit. It's 'Jazzy' rather than Jazz in my book because Jazz is about live improvisation. Jazzy Electronic music is about mouse clicks -- you can ape the harmonies of jazz (or sample it wholesale), but there is no spontenaeity to what you're doing. And my point -- and I do have one -- is that IDM in particular and dance music in general IS complex rhythmically and texturally, even when it's simple harmonically and structurally. Very few tracks get beyond switching up one or two four bar loops with different variations. Many don't ever stray from a monotonic tonal center. Perhaps people need to try and drag some other tools out of the shed. Hell Squarepusher's reputation for innovation rests entirely on two fairly simple things -- he throws triplets into his breaks, and he can play an actual instrument. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 20:54indecision_of_a_childOn Wed, 15 Nov 2000, ff g wrote: > haha, wow man, you ve got it all figured out. Well i >
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quoted 15 lines haha, wow man, you ve got it all figured out. Well i> haha, wow man, you ve got it all figured out. Well i > do sort of agree w/ you to some extent; i was even > making refrence to that in a joke about some guy's > stuff i was hearing the other day, saying he's trying > to do this fucked up music as revenge for not being > able to participate in club action. > The simple fact is, house is predictable and boring to > listen to, and i may not be bad looking--and all the > girls on the dance floor may be fine as fuck (i live > in miami, trust me)..but it's just cheesy, repetitive > music. Straight up...i can chill to house after ive > had about 5 beers and i dont care anymore what's on > and i'm gettin down. So basically i think house is > just definitely for having fun , and not for > 'listening' per say.
yeah. when i listen to john tejada, thomas brinkman and herbert doing house stuff, i just cannot help but look suave, drink up, and dance about -- because if i do not, i find myself dull, just like the music. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 17:40p h o n ksay, how much do you idm-ers love that euro-house parody by daft punk + romanthony uh? i,
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say, how much do you idm-ers love that euro-house parody by daft punk + romanthony uh? i, for one, love it. and my friends don't love me anymore :) p h o n k oo /|\ support / \ mutation ~~~~~~~ --------------------------------- http://www.mp3.com/megaphonk bleeps.clicks.pop http://www.mp3.com/margaritafilterkings bbeats.piano.slapbass --------------------------------- http://www.phonk.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 19:29Brian MacDonaldActually, for squelchy humorous sounding house-funk, Sir Drew/Chicken Lips is where it's a
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Actually, for squelchy humorous sounding house-funk, Sir Drew/Chicken Lips is where it's at... easily the best artist/artists on the Kingsize label. (Chicken Lips is the duo of Sir Drew and a member from Athletico). The best introduction is the "Git Back" EP by Chicken Lips. "Master Jammin'" puts to shame anything that Daft Punk or Basement Jaxx have released as far as the P-funk influences go... The Sir Drew singles are also worth searching out too. Has anyone heard the new Chicken Lips album? I have the "Jerk Chicken" single, and it sounds like they're becoming less fun and more minimal. Does anyone have an xtra copy of Chicken Lips' "Shoe Beast" EP? That's still number one on my wanted list, and I'll willing to trade.. I have a chunk of rare On-U Sound/Tackhead-related singles... np: No Knife "Drunk On The Moon" ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> ======================================================================= On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, p h o n k wrote:
quoted 25 lines say, how much do you idm-ers love that euro-house parody by daft punk +> say, how much do you idm-ers love that euro-house parody by daft punk + > romanthony uh? > > i, for one, love it. and my friends don't love me anymore :) > > p h o n k > oo > /|\ support > / \ mutation > ~~~~~~~ > > --------------------------------- > http://www.mp3.com/megaphonk bleeps.clicks.pop > http://www.mp3.com/margaritafilterkings bbeats.piano.slapbass > --------------------------------- > http://www.phonk.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2000-11-16 18:05Irene McCOn 15 Nov 2000, Brian MacDonald wrote re Re: [idm] house vs. idm: > I have a chunk of rare
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quoted 1 line I have a chunk of rare On-U Sound/Tackhead-related singles...> I have a chunk of rare On-U Sound/Tackhead-related singles...
Speaking of which : I just came across a used copy of the 2xCD "15 years in an open Boat" retrospective of the On-U label - I've got quite a few their albums already; anybody know whether this is a gem worth grabbing? I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-16 20:14Adesh Deosaranhas anyone ever heard the On-U-Sound remix of Depeche Mode's "People are People", one IDM
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has anyone ever heard the On-U-Sound remix of Depeche Mode's "People are People", one IDM sounding track! form 1984 ____________________________________________ p l u m b d e s i g n Adesh Deosaran | Information Designer 157 chambers st ny ny 10007 p.212-285-8600 x240 f.212-285-8999 -----Original Message----- From: Irene McC [mailto:substar@iafrica.com] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 1:06 PM To: brianm@kuci.org; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] On-U Sound On 15 Nov 2000, Brian MacDonald wrote re Re: [idm] house vs. idm:
quoted 1 line I have a chunk of rare On-U Sound/Tackhead-related singles...> I have a chunk of rare On-U Sound/Tackhead-related singles...
Speaking of which : I just came across a used copy of the 2xCD "15 years in an open Boat" retrospective of the On-U label - I've got quite a few their albums already; anybody know whether this is a gem worth grabbing? I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-17 04:20Greg ClowAt 03:14 PM 16/11/00, Adesh Deosaran wrote: >has anyone ever heard the On-U-Sound remix of
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quoted 2 lines has anyone ever heard the On-U-Sound remix of Depeche Mode's "People are>has anyone ever heard the On-U-Sound remix of Depeche Mode's "People are >People", one IDM sounding track! form 1984
Yeah, it's great. As is the even rarer On-U Sound/Sherwood mix of "Master & Servant". Greg -- Greg Clow - greg@stainedproductions.com - greg@feedbackmonitor.com concert & event promotions - http://www.stainedproductions.com electronic music radio/reviews/interviews - http://www.feedbackmonitor.com 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor - Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 - Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-17 14:49Adesh Deosaranhmm, I didn't know that Sherwood did a mix of Master & Servant, I bet its awesome. I do ha
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hmm, I didn't know that Sherwood did a mix of Master & Servant, I bet its awesome. I do have his other mix of people are people that comes on Master & Servant US version, its call are people people, some really great shit, I think I need to spin one of those two this week ____________________________________________ p l u m b d e s i g n Adesh Deosaran | Information Designer 157 chambers st ny ny 10007 p.212-285-8600 x240 f.212-285-8999 -----Original Message----- From: Greg Clow [mailto:greg@stainedproductions.com] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:21 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] On-U Sound At 03:14 PM 16/11/00, Adesh Deosaran wrote:
quoted 2 lines has anyone ever heard the On-U-Sound remix of Depeche Mode's "People are>has anyone ever heard the On-U-Sound remix of Depeche Mode's "People are >People", one IDM sounding track! form 1984
Yeah, it's great. As is the even rarer On-U Sound/Sherwood mix of "Master & Servant". Greg -- Greg Clow - greg@stainedproductions.com - greg@feedbackmonitor.com concert & event promotions - http://www.stainedproductions.com electronic music radio/reviews/interviews - http://www.feedbackmonitor.com 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor - Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 - Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-16 20:22Brian MacDonaldWhat's the track listing? My basic rule of thumb for On-U sound material... From 80s: grab
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What's the track listing? My basic rule of thumb for On-U sound material... From 80s: grab it. From 90s and present: be cautious. ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> ======================================================================= On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Irene McC wrote:
quoted 15 lines On 15 Nov 2000, Brian MacDonald wrote re Re: [idm] house vs. idm:> On 15 Nov 2000, Brian MacDonald wrote re Re: [idm] house vs. idm: > > > I have a chunk of rare On-U Sound/Tackhead-related singles... > > Speaking of which : I just came across a used copy of the 2xCD "15 > years in an open Boat" retrospective of the On-U label - I've got > quite a few their albums already; anybody know whether this is a > gem worth grabbing? > > I > * > > > >
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2000-11-15 17:55Ross BalmerDuh. Well I thought that a lot of this so--called intelligent dance music _was_ house. It'
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Duh. Well I thought that a lot of this so--called intelligent dance music _was_ house. It's not all autechre and aphex clones you know. Talking of house, has anybody here heard Circulation - Colours? It's great atmospheric tech-house, I'm surprised it's not been mentioned more. Ross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tosh Cooey" <tosh@c4.ca> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: [idm] house vs. idm
quoted 29 lines the general stereotype is that IDM is boring chin-stroking look at your> the general stereotype is that IDM is boring chin-stroking look at your > feet or the performer music. for house it's one of gino(a)'s dancing to > foofy music with no intellect behind it. > > Anyone who actively believes either is an idiot. Of course anyone who > actively disbelieves either is also an idiot. > > The basic reason that IDM people aren't so into house is all > psychological. People who base their self-worth more on their > intelligence don't base it as much on their physical appearance, and > vice versa, and when at a club listening to house music physical > appearance is the most emphacized (mostly because it's too loud to chin > stroke with someone else about the music) and people who feel > uncomfortable about their physical appearance aren't comfortable in that > kind of setting and hence dismissive of the music. > > So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably > because you have a low sense of self-worth WRT to physical appearance, > so get over yourself already, house has been around a lot longer then > IDM. > > Oh and go get the Swayzak album. > > Tosh > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-11-15 19:01Diana Pottswell while we're having this coup of house...suggestions: Lady D, Naked Kaleidescope (afte
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well while we're having this coup of house...suggestions: Lady D, Naked Kaleidescope (afterhours) Season's Recordings, Nature's Composition, mix by Jamie Thinnes (Seasons Recordings) and most of the San Fran DJs Some of the newer stuff by Morgan Gheist (sp) (Environ Recordings) San Fran = where the IDM and House labels live in harmony.(hint) d -----Original Message----- From: Ross Balmer [mailto:ross@tui.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 12:56 PM To: IDM Subject: Re: [idm] house vs. idm Duh. Well I thought that a lot of this so--called intelligent dance music _was_ house. It's not all autechre and aphex clones you know. Talking of house, has anybody here heard Circulation - Colours? It's great atmospheric tech-house, I'm surprised it's not been mentioned more. Ross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tosh Cooey" <tosh@c4.ca> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: [idm] house vs. idm
quoted 29 lines the general stereotype is that IDM is boring chin-stroking look at your> the general stereotype is that IDM is boring chin-stroking look at your > feet or the performer music. for house it's one of gino(a)'s dancing to > foofy music with no intellect behind it. > > Anyone who actively believes either is an idiot. Of course anyone who > actively disbelieves either is also an idiot. > > The basic reason that IDM people aren't so into house is all > psychological. People who base their self-worth more on their > intelligence don't base it as much on their physical appearance, and > vice versa, and when at a club listening to house music physical > appearance is the most emphacized (mostly because it's too loud to chin > stroke with someone else about the music) and people who feel > uncomfortable about their physical appearance aren't comfortable in that > kind of setting and hence dismissive of the music. > > So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably > because you have a low sense of self-worth WRT to physical appearance, > so get over yourself already, house has been around a lot longer then > IDM. > > Oh and go get the Swayzak album. > > Tosh > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-11-15 18:14Panty Pryde(you could start this with)dear Guido's and idiots > >the general stereotype is that IDM i
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(you could start this with)dear Guido's and idiots >
quoted 3 lines the general stereotype is that IDM is boring chin-stroking look at your>the general stereotype is that IDM is boring chin-stroking look at your >feet or the performer music. for house it's one of gino(a)'s dancing to >foofy music with no intellect behind it.
are you insane?
quoted 3 lines Anyone who actively believes either is an idiot. Of course anyone who> >Anyone who actively believes either is an idiot. Of course anyone who >actively disbelieves either is also an idiot.
so we are all idiots or Italians
quoted 7 lines The basic reason that IDM people aren't so into house is all> >The basic reason that IDM people aren't so into house is all >psychological. People who base their self-worth more on their >intelligence don't base it as much on their physical appearance, and >vice versa, and when at a club listening to house music physical >appearance is the most emphacized (mostly because it's too loud to chin >stroke with someone else about the music) and people who feel
i can peform the chin stroke at any decibel.
quoted 2 lines uncomfortable about their physical appearance aren't comfortable in that>uncomfortable about their physical appearance aren't comfortable in that >kind of setting and hence dismissive of the music.
what the fuck are you saying,if you don't mind mirror balls you're pretty/if you enjoy oval you are deformed?
quoted 5 lines So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably> >So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably >because you have a low sense of self-worth WRT to physical appearance, >so get over yourself already, house has been around a lot longer then >IDM.
stereo-typing morons and mediocre music have always been around too but i don't feel the need to promote either.further- you must have one anemic music collection ,the line ( house/'music for un-attractive people') has been blurred by many artists, on source for example. and most of it is shit.is daft punk 'house'?i like them very much. Please post a picture of your self,you must be really hot.You may find a non Italian non idiot who loves house music and IDM inspite of her or his drop dead good looks superior intellect and enough selfesteem to choke a horse.
quoted 1 line Oh and go get the Swayzak album.>Oh and go get the Swayzak album.
if you suggested something I already have I may have a hard time listening to it for a while.
quoted 1 line Tosh>Tosh
i am very curious as to where you live.i don't think toshy made it to the big city yet.and yes,panty is pretty. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 19:31Diana Pottsbefore everyone goes twisting themselves about Tosh's post. please don't. People get so be
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before everyone goes twisting themselves about Tosh's post. please don't. People get so bent out of shape over _list_ posts...there's better things to put your energy towards. Think about what you are reading rather than going off on some flame tangent. As far as Tosh's looks. well, I will say this: The Greek Gods have _nothing_ on him.isn't that right Tosh? ;) and for the others, its not what you look like-its how you chose to wear it ...or something meaningful like that. focus people (ba-dum-dum ching) diana -----Original Message----- From: Panty Pryde [mailto:pantypryde@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 1:14 PM To: tosh@c4.ca; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] house vs. idm (you could start this with)dear Guido's and idiots >
quoted 3 lines the general stereotype is that IDM is boring chin-stroking look at your>the general stereotype is that IDM is boring chin-stroking look at your >feet or the performer music. for house it's one of gino(a)'s dancing to >foofy music with no intellect behind it.
are you insane?
quoted 3 lines Anyone who actively believes either is an idiot. Of course anyone who> >Anyone who actively believes either is an idiot. Of course anyone who >actively disbelieves either is also an idiot.
so we are all idiots or Italians
quoted 7 lines The basic reason that IDM people aren't so into house is all> >The basic reason that IDM people aren't so into house is all >psychological. People who base their self-worth more on their >intelligence don't base it as much on their physical appearance, and >vice versa, and when at a club listening to house music physical >appearance is the most emphacized (mostly because it's too loud to chin >stroke with someone else about the music) and people who feel
i can peform the chin stroke at any decibel.
quoted 2 lines uncomfortable about their physical appearance aren't comfortable in that>uncomfortable about their physical appearance aren't comfortable in that >kind of setting and hence dismissive of the music.
what the fuck are you saying,if you don't mind mirror balls you're pretty/if you enjoy oval you are deformed?
quoted 5 lines So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably> >So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably >because you have a low sense of self-worth WRT to physical appearance, >so get over yourself already, house has been around a lot longer then >IDM.
stereo-typing morons and mediocre music have always been around too but i don't feel the need to promote either.further- you must have one anemic music collection ,the line ( house/'music for un-attractive people') has been blurred by many artists, on source for example. and most of it is shit.is daft punk 'house'?i like them very much. Please post a picture of your self,you must be really hot.You may find a non Italian non idiot who loves house music and IDM inspite of her or his drop dead good looks superior intellect and enough selfesteem to choke a horse.
quoted 1 line Oh and go get the Swayzak album.>Oh and go get the Swayzak album.
if you suggested something I already have I may have a hard time listening to it for a while.
quoted 1 line Tosh>Tosh
i am very curious as to where you live.i don't think toshy made it to the big city yet.and yes,panty is pretty. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 18:41Panty Pryde(you could start this with)dear Guido's and idiots > >the general stereotype is that IDM i
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(you could start this with)dear Guido's and idiots >
quoted 3 lines the general stereotype is that IDM is boring chin-stroking look at your>the general stereotype is that IDM is boring chin-stroking look at your >feet or the performer music. for house it's one of gino(a)'s dancing to >foofy music with no intellect behind it.
are you insane?
quoted 3 lines Anyone who actively believes either is an idiot. Of course anyone who> >Anyone who actively believes either is an idiot. Of course anyone who >actively disbelieves either is also an idiot.
so we are all idiots or Italians
quoted 7 lines The basic reason that IDM people aren't so into house is all> >The basic reason that IDM people aren't so into house is all >psychological. People who base their self-worth more on their >intelligence don't base it as much on their physical appearance, and >vice versa, and when at a club listening to house music physical >appearance is the most emphacized (mostly because it's too loud to chin >stroke with someone else about the music) and people who feel
i can peform the chin stroke at any decibel.
quoted 2 lines uncomfortable about their physical appearance aren't comfortable in that>uncomfortable about their physical appearance aren't comfortable in that >kind of setting and hence dismissive of the music.
what the fuck are you saying,if you don't mind mirror balls you're pretty/if you enjoy oval you are deformed?
quoted 5 lines So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably> >So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably >because you have a low sense of self-worth WRT to physical appearance, >so get over yourself already, house has been around a lot longer then >IDM.
stereo-typing morons and mediocre music have always been around too but i don't feel the need to promote either.further- you must have one anemic music collection ,the line ( house/'music for un-attractive people') has been blurred by many artists, on source for example. and most of it is shit.is daft punk 'house'?i like them very much. Please post a picture of your self,you must be really hot.You may find a non Italian non idiot who loves house music and IDM inspite of her or his drop dead good looks and enough selfesteem to choke a horse.
quoted 1 line Oh and go get the Swayzak album.>Oh and go get the Swayzak album.
if you suggested something I already have I may have a hard time listening to it for a while.
quoted 1 line Tosh>Tosh
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2000-11-15 19:03Panty Pryde(you could start this with)dear Guido's and idiots > >the general stereotype is that IDM i
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(you could start this with)dear Guido's and idiots >
quoted 3 lines the general stereotype is that IDM is boring chin-stroking look at your>the general stereotype is that IDM is boring chin-stroking look at your >feet or the performer music. for house it's one of gino(a)'s dancing to >foofy music with no intellect behind it.
are you insane?
quoted 3 lines Anyone who actively believes either is an idiot. Of course anyone who> >Anyone who actively believes either is an idiot. Of course anyone who >actively disbelieves either is also an idiot.
so we are all idiots or Italians
quoted 7 lines The basic reason that IDM people aren't so into house is all> >The basic reason that IDM people aren't so into house is all >psychological. People who base their self-worth more on their >intelligence don't base it as much on their physical appearance, and >vice versa, and when at a club listening to house music physical >appearance is the most emphacized (mostly because it's too loud to chin >stroke with someone else about the music) and people who feel
i can peform the chin stroke at any decibel.
quoted 2 lines uncomfortable about their physical appearance aren't comfortable in that>uncomfortable about their physical appearance aren't comfortable in that >kind of setting and hence dismissive of the music.
what the fuck are you saying,if you don't mind mirror balls you're pretty/if you enjoy oval you are deformed?
quoted 5 lines So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably> >So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably >because you have a low sense of self-worth WRT to physical appearance, >so get over yourself already, house has been around a lot longer then >IDM.
stereo-typing morons and mediocre music have always been around too but i don't feel the need to promote either.further- you must have one anemic music collection ,the line ( house/'music for un-attractive people') has been blurred by many artists, on source for example. and most of it is shit.is daft punk 'house'?i like them very much. Please post a picture of your self,you must be really hot.You may find a non Italian non idiot who loves house music and IDM inspite of her or his drop dead good looks and enough selfesteem to choke a horse.
quoted 1 line Oh and go get the Swayzak album.>Oh and go get the Swayzak album.
if you suggested something I already have I may have a hard time listening to it for a while.
quoted 1 line Tosh>Tosh
i am very curious as to where you live.i don't think toshy made it to the big city yet.and yes,panty is pretty. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 19:14Chris Fahey> say, how much do you idm-ers love that euro-house parody by > daft punk + romanthony uh?
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quoted 2 lines say, how much do you idm-ers love that euro-house parody by> say, how much do you idm-ers love that euro-house parody by > daft punk + romanthony uh?
Love both of the artists, but have not heard this track. What's it called? Where is it? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 19:23p h o n k> > say, how much do you idm-ers love that euro-house parody by > > daft punk + romanthony
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quoted 7 lines say, how much do you idm-ers love that euro-house parody by> > say, how much do you idm-ers love that euro-house parody by > > daft punk + romanthony uh? > > > Love both of the artists, but have not heard this track. What's it called? > Where is it? >
it's called "one more time" and it's absolutely everywhere :) p h o n k oo /|\ support / \ mutation ~~~~~~~ --------------------------------- http://www.mp3.com/megaphonk bleeps.clicks.pop http://www.mp3.com/margaritafilterkings bbeats.piano.slapbass --------------------------------- http://www.phonk.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 19:55Panty Pryde>From: "Diana Potts" <diapot@allmusic.com> >To: "Panty Pryde" <pantypryde@hotmail.com>, <t
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quoted 21 lines From: "Diana Potts" <diapot@allmusic.com>>From: "Diana Potts" <diapot@allmusic.com> >To: "Panty Pryde" <pantypryde@hotmail.com>, <tosh@c4.ca>, ><idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: RE: [idm] house vs. idm >Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:31:56 -0500 > >before everyone goes twisting themselves about Tosh's post. >please don't. People get so bent out of shape over _list_ posts...there's >better >things to put your energy towards. Think about what you are reading rather >than going >off on some flame tangent. > >As far as Tosh's looks. well, I will say this: The Greek Gods have >_nothing_ on him.isn't that right Tosh? ;) > >and for the others, its not what you look like-its how you chose to wear it >...or something meaningful like that. > >focus people >(ba-dum-dum ching)
diana alter ego of Josh panty not in a bunch.if you have nothing to say,say it loud. *appologies,there will be 4 identical posts possibly ,connection difficulties. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 21:05Giles DickersonDAMN, and i thought we all one big happy family. It's all the same shit, get over yourselv
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DAMN, and i thought we all one big happy family. It's all the same shit, get over yourselves and stop getting your panties in a knot over "descriptions". It's all god. Only the fool thinks of Armand Van Helden when they hear the word house. What do I think of? Deep Chord Farben Basc Channel Blue Six Derrick Carter Tikiman Muslimgauze Brass Costruction Theo Parrish Force Tracks Alton Miller it's endless, it's just a rhythm pattern and speed! 4 x 4 // 110 - 135. instead of arguing go to flatplastic and listen to the real shit!! ( new visuals last night btw, you'll all enjoy and the tracklisting is stellar) http://www.flatplastic.com // giles Ross Balmer wrote:
quoted 47 lines Duh. Well I thought that a lot of this so--called intelligent dance music> Duh. Well I thought that a lot of this so--called intelligent dance music > _was_ house. It's not all autechre and aphex clones you know. > > Talking of house, has anybody here heard Circulation - Colours? It's great > atmospheric tech-house, I'm surprised it's not been mentioned more. > > Ross. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tosh Cooey" <tosh@c4.ca> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:55 PM > Subject: [idm] house vs. idm > > > the general stereotype is that IDM is boring chin-stroking look at your > > feet or the performer music. for house it's one of gino(a)'s dancing to > > foofy music with no intellect behind it. > > > > Anyone who actively believes either is an idiot. Of course anyone who > > actively disbelieves either is also an idiot. > > > > The basic reason that IDM people aren't so into house is all > > psychological. People who base their self-worth more on their > > intelligence don't base it as much on their physical appearance, and > > vice versa, and when at a club listening to house music physical > > appearance is the most emphacized (mostly because it's too loud to chin > > stroke with someone else about the music) and people who feel > > uncomfortable about their physical appearance aren't comfortable in that > > kind of setting and hence dismissive of the music. > > > > So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably > > because you have a low sense of self-worth WRT to physical appearance, > > so get over yourself already, house has been around a lot longer then > > IDM. > > > > Oh and go get the Swayzak album. > > > > Tosh > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2000-11-15 21:15Matt AndersonWARNING: this post is coming mainly from a 'musician's' point of view... ( I use musician
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WARNING: this post is coming mainly from a 'musician's' point of view... ( I use musician because I don't know what else to use) What it comes down to for me is that I am not generally a fan of any purpose built music. Mainly because to do so, it has to conform to rules. I make music because I love the creative freedom that comes along with doing so. It is just an audible version of a collage or poem. No rules, and I can do whatever I want. So to me, when I see that to make a house track, it HAS to have energy, HAS to be between 110-135 BPM, HAS to have a consistant beat, etc. I say no thanks... These rules/guidlines seem totally restricting. If you enjoy making regimented music, then fine, but I would certainly feel like part of a cookie cutter process if I made house music. Don't take this as an attack on skill or intelligence... It takes great skill in producing good house, but for me it's about creative freedom. -Matt- www.konstruktiv.net "In communications, familiarity breeds apathy." -William Bernbach --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 23:02Gause, Brianre: the history of idm This isn't something I can relate in a few paragraphs, but as a sum
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re: the history of idm This isn't something I can relate in a few paragraphs, but as a summary. Personally, I would say that modern IDM did originate with Warp, the early AI comps and a few lads in england that went on to become Aphex Twin, Link/Reload/GC, Autechre and Black Dog. As far back as I remember it, there was a core scene of people who seemed to have similar sensibilities and a taste for the same range of musical sound. These aren't bubble-people, though. There are always influences. If you want to talk about electronic music (and IDM as a sub-group of this), then you have to look at The Orb/The KLF (and their electronic pop and Jamaican influences). Thirty-five years ago, people were untrusting of electronics and thought such music cold. So look then at the huge electronic pop explosion of the 80s. People found a way to make electronic music warmer. Then Punk. If punk, as music and as a scene, left the world with anything, it's this overwhelming and open DIY ethic. Where would all these closet IDM artists today be without the change in thinking that punk gave us? Then back to music again...Eno, Bowie, Byrne, Fripp...the list of artists experimenting with new ways to make sound electronically is huge and these are only four names. But if you look at "76:14" by GC work, you can find similarities with Tangerine Dream. And wasn't there a group a few years back called the Heavenly Music Corporation? This was the name of an album by eno (and fripp, if I'm not mistaken). The Orb, and later MUCH of the ambient scene, was obviously influenced by Eno's early experiments in the field...and being laid up in bed after getting hurt. IF you want to go further back, look at Cage and Stockhausen and Tangerine Dream. Then Pink Floyd (don't tell me namlook wasn't HEAVILY inspired by these guys)....then Erik Satie. The list is endless because influences are not absolute and even harder to measure accurately. Especially if consider this from the perspective of western music. Would The Orb ever have been The Orb without dub? Would Pole be Pole without the Orb or without dub? Dub is certainly not western. One of Aphex's biggest early tracks was Didgeridoo...isn't this Australian? Who's going to tell me that heavy basslines come from Europe? Anyone want to make that leap? You simply cannot trace the origins of IDM through a single line...there are influences from all over the world, from widely distinct times and places and arriving in many different ways. And if, by chance, you're interested enough, go check out some of David Toop's writing...he's done a fair bit of work on this and not so incomplete as my ramblings here. Sure IDM has a past, but idm is a silly, close-minded little genre...this is not what Eno meant. This is not what punk wanted to produce. IDM is not the endpoint of a straight line...it is a single branch on a larger tree, way out at the edge, but even now, not all the way out anymore. Perspective. ---brian ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 365-8203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 -----Original Message----- From: Wendy K [mailto:wendy@ninjatune.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 12:14 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] house vs. idm ok, i really cant resist - the rest of this post was so illogical it made no sense. perhaps we need a thread on the origins of idm - did it really start with aphex twin & autechre? thought idm has origins with people like philip glass, steve reich, john cage, stockhausen, eno. maybe i'm wrong again. i have deep house records from the early eighties - what was juan atkins cybotron and early experimental hip hop electro??? and electronic music from san francisco that i would consider idm from the same time period. although i look like a thin bearded boy named bob with glasses i didnt think my self esteem was that low. i also have latin, middle eastern, sufi, sitar, reggae, dub, hard techno drum n bass, frank sinatra, james brown, sade (!) and jack kerouac reading poetry to some jazz dudes blowing mean & hard in my record collection...so i probably dont even BELONG on this list. oh yeah, and as an ex san frandisKo resident, i got some disco, jefferson airplane, country joe & the fish, hendrix, joplin and quicksilver messenger service albums 2 - but that doesnt mean i'm a smelly tied died dead head does it???? i'm just some old skool dude with musical perspective. *L* tosh said:
quoted 5 lines So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably> >So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably >because you have a low sense of self-worth WRT to physical appearance, >so get over yourself already, house has been around a lot longer then >IDM.
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2000-11-16 03:04Conway, Simonand where was detroit when all this was going on ? Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:02:00 -0800 T
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and where was detroit when all this was going on ? Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:02:00 -0800 To: idm@hyperreal.org From: "Gause, Brian" <bgause@SECTORBASE.COM> Subject: RE: [idm] house vs. idm Message-ID: <8F4C99C66D04D4118F580090272A7A2325D9CC@sectorbase1.sectorbase.com> re: the history of idm This isn't something I can relate in a few paragraphs, but as a summary. Personally, I would say that modern IDM did originate with Warp, the early AI comps and a few lads in england that went on to become Aphex Twin, Link/Reload/GC, Autechre and Black Dog. As far back as I remember it, there was a core scene of people who seemed to have similar sensibilities and a taste for the same range of musical sound. These aren't bubble-people, though. There are always influences. If you want to talk about electronic music (and IDM as a sub-group of this), then you have to look at The Orb/The KLF (and their electronic pop and Jamaican influences). Thirty-five years ago, people were untrusting of electronics and thought such music cold. So look then at the huge electronic pop explosion of the 80s. People found a way to make electronic music warmer. Then Punk. If punk, as music and as a scene, left the world with anything, it's this overwhelming and open DIY ethic. Where would all these closet IDM artists today be without the change in thinking that punk gave us? Then back to music again...Eno, Bowie, Byrne, Fripp...the list of artists experimenting with new ways to make sound electronically is huge and these are only four names. But if you look at "76:14" by GC work, you can find similarities with Tangerine Dream. And wasn't there a group a few years back called the Heavenly Music Corporation? This was the name of an album by eno (and fripp, if I'm not mistaken). The Orb, and later MUCH of the ambient scene, was obviously influenced by Eno's early experiments in the field...and being laid up in bed after getting hurt. IF you want to go further back, look at Cage and Stockhausen and Tangerine Dream. Then Pink Floyd (don't tell me namlook wasn't HEAVILY inspired by these guys)....then Erik Satie. The list is endless because influences are not absolute and even harder to measure accurately. Especially if consider this from the perspective of western music. Would The Orb ever have been The Orb without dub? Would Pole be Pole without the Orb or without dub? Dub is certainly not western. One of Aphex's biggest early tracks was Didgeridoo...isn't this Australian? Who's going to tell me that heavy basslines come from Europe? Anyone want to make that leap? You simply cannot trace the origins of IDM through a single line...there are influences from all over the world, from widely distinct times and places and arriving in many different ways. And if, by chance, you're interested enough, go check out some of David Toop's writing...he's done a fair bit of work on this and not so incomplete as my ramblings here. Sure IDM has a past, but idm is a silly, close-minded little genre...this is not what Eno meant. This is not what punk wanted to produce. IDM is not the endpoint of a straight line...it is a single branch on a larger tree, way out at the edge, but even now, not all the way out anymore. Perspective. ---brian ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 365-8203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 ********************************************************************** Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) ********************************************************************** --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-16 15:40Chris Fahey> From: Gause, Brian > re: the history of idm > > This isn't something I can relate in a f
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quoted 5 lines From: Gause, Brian> From: Gause, Brian > re: the history of idm > > This isn't something I can relate in a few paragraphs, but as > a summary.
<snip> Nice history, but you still forgot house, disco, soul, and hip hop. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-16 16:00Scott AllisonFuck, its all music in the end, alot of shit, and alot of really good shit. Vladislav dela
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Fuck, its all music in the end, alot of shit, and alot of really good shit. Vladislav delay (aka lumuo, aka sistol - the reason lumuo got started, check the track listing on sistol) really never was idm so to speak, ele is more a dub album than anything else, to me it all seems to be about production that holds all this together. idm is just a label and a bad one at that. I guess people need definitions to help them understand whats around them, well i suggest you all dig into some detroit ghetto tech. Paris is fresh. I really am not all to knowledgeable about house, but i have a strong feeling that boards of canada may have some seroius influences from that scene. Fuck where all just a bunch of punk ass fuckers who are into fucking up sound with what ever we can get our hands on, so fuck it, enjoy it all, hate it all, it doesnt matter. The fact is this is the most diy thing happening right now, so much more so than anything else ever has been. Fuck record labels, we dont need them anymore, we have mp3s and the internet to distribute. Dont get me wrong i love all the labels out there, but our little friend the computer has really fucked everything up, we shound not waste our time arguing over whats better house or idm, who fucking cares, i want to see juan atkins, richard devine, and the detroit grand pu bas fuck up mtv, lets make that happen, and not waste energy on internal arguments are are not creative in the end. peace -scott --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-16 19:16wells@hiro.submute.netOne of the things I always appreciated and loved about the IDM genre is that a good portio
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Re: Re: [idm] house vs. idm
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One of the things I always appreciated and loved about the IDM genre is that a good portion of the 'producers' out there are basically geeks with computers and a few boxen. I liked the idea that people were out there with no musical background, perhaps not even the ability to play any instrument, yet still they were pumping out this wonderfully different kind of music. Original Message: ----------------- From: Kent williams kent@avalon.net Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:30:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [idm] house vs. idm Though it might be more accurate to say, "most IDM producers aren't aware of it WHEN they make a key change." People modulate all the time, without really knowing what that means. And it becomes a pretty blurry concept in the folk/pop tradition of the last 50 years, which is based around changing guitar chords in sometimes arbitrary ways. .. Perhaps people need to try and drag some other tools out of the shed. Hell Squarepusher's reputation for innovation rests entirely on two fairly simple things -- he throws triplets into his breaks, and he can play an actual instrument. ------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been posted from Mail2Web http://www.mail2web.com/ Web Hosting for $9.95 per month! Visit: http://www.yourhosting.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-16 23:07%andrew<Someone said something along these lines...> > One of the things I always appreciated and
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Re: Re: [idm] house vs. idm
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Re: Re: [idm] house vs. idm
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quoted 7 lines One of the things I always appreciated and loved> One of the things I always appreciated and loved > about the IDM genre is that a good > portion of the 'producers' out there are basically > geeks with computers and a few boxen. I liked the idea that > people were out there with no musical background, perhaps not > even the ability to play any instrument, yet still they were pumping > out this wonderfully different kind of music.
Oh I know! I mean, look at house and techno, both of these forms of "music" started out as intellectual movements at the university of michigan! Lots of wealthy white music professors got togather with the best equipment available at the time, and created hundreds of high-produced, well engineered records. Good thing IDM came along and tought us that you don't have to be righ and white to make good music. You need a history lesson, pal. -andrew
quoted 32 lines Original Message:> Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Kent williams kent@avalon.net > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:30:30 -0600 (CST) > Subject: Re: [idm] house vs. idm > > > Though it might be more accurate to say, "most IDM producers aren't > aware of it WHEN they make a key change." People modulate all the time, > without really knowing what that means. And it becomes a pretty blurry > concept in the folk/pop tradition of the last 50 years, which is based > around changing guitar chords in sometimes arbitrary ways. > > .. > > Perhaps people need to try and drag some other tools out of the shed. Hell > Squarepusher's reputation for innovation rests entirely on two fairly simple > things -- he throws triplets into his breaks, and he can play an actual > instrument. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > This message has been posted from Mail2Web http://www.mail2web.com/ > Web Hosting for $9.95 per month! Visit: http://www.yourhosting.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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