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I thought I'd save bandwidth and weigh in on a bunch of stuff that's been flying around the list this week in one e-mail. first...

quoted 1 line Album: String Theory - Tevatron

> Album: String Theory - Tevatron

er ... it's not so much an album as a track ... but thanks for the mention :) watch out for a split 12" this summer on Skam, don't know who's on the other side yet...

quoted 3 lines I post this list for the people that is rather new in the Intelligent music

> I post this list for the people that is rather new in the Intelligent music > stuff like me (I had been listening to the "other" electronic music... maybe > called "dumb" for many years).

see, this is the problem with a name like Intelligent Dance Music -- it suggests that other Dance music is NON-Intelligent ... I'm not saying there isn't a huge mess of dumb dance music out there but it's not so much the "intelligence" of the music that intrigues me as the individualism. I think the #1 rule of making this "IDM" is trying to push boundaries in directions they haven't been pushed before. When the boundaries get pushed out, it opens up much more space for the "genre" ( i hate genres ) to grow. But these boundaries get pushed by people other than Booth/Brown/James/Jenkinson/IDM-Artist-Of-The-Minute. To wax geometric for a moment: IDM is one very interesting face on a pan-dimensional mega-hedron that is modern music, and just as the IDM face gets stretched into new territory, other faces deform as a result. The opposite is true as well.

quoted 3 lines There are a lot of subscribers to the list. Can you guys please enlighthen

> There are a lot of subscribers to the list. Can you guys please enlighthen > the path to the rather new people in this list? We just want some > recommendations.

I have only been on this list for a couple weeks so perhaps I am seeing an anomaly that will correct itself soon but I have to say this is by far the most negative, snotty list I have ever been on. The whole POINT of an e-mail list is to share information and express opinions. For people to jump all over other list members for asking questions and expressing opinions (even though they may not be shared by a single other person on the list) seems juvenille and elitist.

quoted 2 lines I?m sorry if someone hates me for asking this, but ALL of us were newbies

> I?m sorry if someone hates me for asking this, but ALL of us were newbies > sometime.....

A poster to a list should never feel inclined to use a disclaimer like that... Maybe I'm just a hippie. Josh -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Here's some stuff I enjoy dancing to which has been discussed on this list (my brilliant attempt at a purely pragmatic definition of IDM :-) Plenty of stuff involving Patrick Pulsinger, especially the album 'Carerra' by Sluts'n'Strings & 909s. Electro, sometimes tending towards hip-hop and vocoders and so on, sometimes more towards grungey techno... damn cool. The Modernist. Kinda "dinky" sounding; bright and clean sounds. Repetitive in a way that gets a bit much for me, but great FUN. Photek, Paradox (or Alaska :-), Klute. All drum n bass, all really good, IMO. Paradox is the most likely to inspire phrases like "fucking bad ass", ie his music's more rough and obviously dance floor than the others. The label Thule. Try the comp 'Fishcake'. Techno, influenced by/derivative of Chain Reaction stuff. It's got a bit more swing than most CR material, IMO. Selected moments by the Black Dog and/or Plaid. They've done some great dance tracks. To be honest, I mostly enjoy dancing to stuff that doesn't get much/any time on this list, eg. reggae, hip-hop, and funk.. Hopefully letting you in on that gives you a better perspective on my tastes/recommendations. Michael PS. I presume the Falsch (Mego imprint) recommendation was actually someone taking the piss. Check http://www.fals.ch to make up your own mind. -+- Involve Records http://involve.co.nz Jet Jaguar MP3s http://mp3.com/jetjag/ -+- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In a message dated 05/19/2000 9:46:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ramestoy@infovia.com.ar writes: << Maybe my question should be: can anyone recommend INTELLIGENT artists/albums/labels for the dancefloor (like intelligent drum & bass / jungle, Minimalistic, etc...)? I´m sure there must be plenty of IDM for the dancefloor. >> Well I think your question is one big can of worms that a lot of people are wisely keeping away from because ineveitably it will spawn a "My music is the most smartest and yours is dum." thread. But really, it all depends on how you define "Intelligent" music. If you mean music that is created by people with a good idea of what their own colon looks like, then there's not a lot out there that you can dance to because quite a few "artists" out there are deliberately making undanceable music as some sort of a statement. Never mind that this statement has already been made several times over and what should be done now is taking what we have learned from the odd polyrhythms of such music and applying it to music that can make you think with your booty. But thats just my opinion. Anyway, here's some stuff that I think is a little more dancefloor than your average bedroom techno or a little more bedroom than your average dancefloor techno. Underworld The Orb Some Orbital Fluke Some Leftfield Roni Size There are plenty of others, but I have to run. Hope that helped. -Thad [AIM:BlueCommie ICQ: 46006046] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I always thought some of the early Aphex stuff was quite danceable...the analog bubblebath stuff, in particular, as well as stuff like Digeridoo (if you can dance THAT fast)... ---brian Guido wrote:

quoted 63 lines Hi, two week ago I asked for recommendations for IDM that can be put in the

> Hi, two week ago I asked for recommendations for IDM that can be put in the > dancefloor. I didn´t get much feeback; there were just LOTS of people > telling me: "hey, when you get a good list of danceable IDM send it to me!". > I don´t know if my question was wrong or if IDM is mostly for listening (as > Hyperreal´s definition of IDM). > > The "list" of artists/albums/labels of IDM for the dancefloor so far is: > > Vladislav Delay (Chain Reaction) > Monolake > Mike Ink > Plastikman > Thomas Brinkmann > Mouse on Mars (A- Musik) > Boards of Canada > Niena (Mille Plateaux) > Autopoieses (Mille Plateaux) > Scorn > Funkstorung > Schematic > Porter Ricks (Chain Reaction) > Richard Devine > Burger/Ink > Photek > > Label: Fals (sub label of Mego) > Label: Kompact > Label: Tresor > Label: Submerge > Label: Basic Channel > Label: Chain Reaction > Label: Mille Plateaux > Label: Plate Lunch > Label: Rastermusic (label from Carlsten Nicolai a.k.a. Noto) > > Album: Mouse on Mars - Autoditacker (A - Musik) > Album: Farmer´s manual (Mego) > Album: Squarepusher - Selection 16 > Album: String Theory - Tevatron > > I post this list for the people that is rather new in the Intelligent music > stuff like me (I had been listening to the "other" electronic music... maybe > called "dumb" for many years). > > Maybe my question should be: can anyone recommend INTELLIGENT > artists/albums/labels for the dancefloor (like intelligent drum & bass / > jungle, Minimalistic, etc...)? I´m sure there must be plenty of IDM for the > dancefloor. > > There are a lot of subscribers to the list. Can you guys please enlighthen > the path to the rather new people in this list? We just want some > recommendations. > > I´m sorry if someone hates me for asking this, but ALL of us were newbies > sometime..... > > Kindly regards > > Guido > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

-- And then the evil hurdy-gurdy came tumbling down. And all that remained was the purple alien and his bodhisatva friend who salivated too much to have his own friends. Brian Gause Technical Writer Applications Division Oracle Corporation (650) 506-1311 bgause@us.oracle.com The statements and opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily represent those of Oracle Corporation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines I thought I'd save bandwidth and weigh in on a bunch of stuff that's been

>I thought I'd save bandwidth and weigh in on a bunch of stuff that's been >flying around the list this week in one e-mail.

oh hey, that sounds good :) i'll do that too

quoted 1 line I post this list for the people that is rather new in the Intelligent

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>ybe >> called "dumb" for many years). > >see, this is the problem with a name like Intelligent Dance Music -- it >suggests that other Dance music is NON-Intelligent ... I'm not saying >there isn't a huge mess of dumb dance music out there but it's not so much >the "intelligence" of the music that intrigues me as the individualism.

oh my. how incredibly profound! instead of intelligent dance music, it's individual dance music. and we can keep the silly acronym too. hmm.. that sounded sarcastic. actually i think it's a rather good idea. it's not really something you play at a club for everyone, but it's definitely something that people listen to more when they're by themselves. and the dancing thing is more true, because as was discussed here quite a while ago, someone dancing at a club is likely feeling the music in a similar but markedly different way from someone who's dancing to it sitting at home typing away (ahem.. hehe). the music is also made by individuals based on individual taste, and [usually] is made for other individuals to listen to (as opposed to mindless clones at a "rave" or "club" (no offense to the ravers and clubbers on the list). other topic: all the mp3 stuff is interesting, i'm sure, but it sounds like all of the people arguing on this list are under the impression that people like ninja tune are the same size as labels like warner, atlantic, etc. from experience, i've never been able to find good idm (in reference to my reappropriated labelling above (hehe)) on these free-for-all sites. i have gotten mp3's from friends, but that's not much different than having them lend you the cd or making a tape of it. i've found aphex twin on napster and like oth.net (which never works anyways), but i mean, who *doesn't* have come to daddy? if the superstructure of the recording industry changes from mp3's, the big labels will lose out because their entire system is based on controlling "fads" and "trends". the seattle "grunge" thing was already full blown in seattle long before the industry got ahold of it, and they killed it (imo). people like metallica and dr. dre write music about destroying the system because it gets them more publicity, but they're all perfectly fine getting a check from the system. people like ninjatune, skam, pitchcadet, etc., pretty much avoid the system. i mean, geez, in amon tobin's new cd he thanks the montreal ninja crew and the people subscribed to this list. amon tobin isn't making the amount of money as metallica is, and hence, since less people are even aware of amon tobin's existence, fewer people are buying the cd's, and it's getting posted as mp3's in much fewer quantities. it would be rather absurd, in a pop-culture viewpoint, if there were headlines all over saying "Ninjatune Fights Napster! Amon Tobin Cancels Remainder Of US Tour!". time for a generalization: most people who enjoy listening to metallica, or dr. dre, or similar (there are tons), don't really care about the music. they just like getting mad or angry or bopping/banging their head to something. most people who enjoy autechre are surprisingly proud of the autechre they own. there's a difference... hmm.. i wonder why... =) -derek due to bandwidth stipulations, no signature has been provided. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

hielo, i must say, at least for myself anyway, that dancing in and of itself is a spiritual and physical realease. I am not a "Raver", nor am i an "Intelligent Dancer", I just DANCE dammit!!..and yeah I battle kidz at raves and I do umm, stuff there 2wo...and I know half of ya'll don't give a rats ass what anyone says here about themselves or what they think about their own beliefs and circumspect all who don't know every freekin' iota of IDM knowlege up to this milllisecond in the 4th dimension... aaaaaaaaanyway...I do believe what Derek stated is 100% true, gawd, I wish everybody was kinder and more aware of how beneficial we could all be..(i know i know...romaticising the IDM list will NOT be tolerated) for one another... for the original inquiree... COLD KILLA' LABELZ> Isophlux- heeeee-hawwww!!! square dancin' out da' muvafukka'!!! Braindance(rephlex)- ahhhhh...and i know iLL get heat for this...imagine an endless loop of cylob....!!shrieks!! Planet Mu- we'll, I do, and Everyone can if they wanted to...yes, you can! aRTISTES> Nostrum- ::sneakybastard:: KnowOne- if you can track down his tape... Alpha K(byzar, Wetm, 187)- i guess some might think they're low onthe IDM food chain, Byzar is absolutely rite their with ALL Idm artists, and some of thoz Liquid Sky (final home??)katz are Ill willy bentified to tha extreem Guy Called Gerald- all across the board he burns it up>>>(use to be in 808 state) some others: FREEFORM, ED RUSH, DILLINJA(PESHAY), ANDY C, AMON TOBIN, BOLA, METAMATICS(dopilicious!!!), DEEP BANANA BLACKOUT(wha!wha!) et cetera

quoted 1 line jus' look thru your local platter retailers bins and explore your world,

>>>jus' look thru your local platter retailers bins and explore your world,

dooders!!! peace and chicken grease, centripdLL_ nowspinnin':::EAR/thurstonmoore+donfleming-Sputnik "one day we will all be one" ...wait we all have been already....like the guido(no, not you man..) anthem...Do it again!! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line time for a generalization: most people who enjoy listening to metallica,

> time for a generalization: most people who enjoy listening to metallica,

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quoted 4 lines dr. dre, or similar (there are tons), don't really care about the music.

> dr. dre, or similar (there are tons), don't really care about the music. > they just like getting mad or angry or bopping/banging their head to > something. most people who enjoy autechre are surprisingly proud of the > autechre they own. there's a difference... hmm.. i wonder why... =)

Time for a flippant answer: bollocks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Good Answer Giles...but go easy on the chap.... I make generalization all the time, I can see where he's going but I disagree......its the ole intellectual complex. "My music is in this genre and itsmuch more intelligent.......ohhhh brother......Funkadelic is intelligent! but the funny thing is, musical "intellectuals" during this time said their music wasnt shit---now U figure..... O-Face! -----Original Message----- From: Giles Ward [mailto:gilesw@clara.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 10:50 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Intelligent music then.....

quoted 1 line time for a generalization: most people who enjoy listening to metallica,

> time for a generalization: most people who enjoy listening to metallica,

or

quoted 4 lines dr. dre, or similar (there are tons), don't really care about the music.

> dr. dre, or similar (there are tons), don't really care about the music. > they just like getting mad or angry or bopping/banging their head to > something. most people who enjoy autechre are surprisingly proud of the > autechre they own. there's a difference... hmm.. i wonder why... =)

Time for a flippant answer: bollocks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org