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The Los Angeles Times reported today that Orbital are considering playing this years Lollapalooza festival. If this doesn't make your heart sink, I don't know what will. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, hell, downright evil news. If Orbital played Lollapalooza it would be an utter disaster. They'd get booed off the stage, which they would probably end up playing in the middle of the day (not the best time to see orbital live), by an endless sea of American Highschoolers and meatheads who came to see Metalica and Soundgarden. It would be the worst kind of publicity for them, since they'd be torn apart by every god damn back water rock critic for not playing 'real' insturments. And of course, we'd all be forced to endure a full day of hell since we wouldn't want to miss seeing Orbital live. Even stranger is that Perry Ferrell has decieded to break off his ENIT festival from Lollapalooza and carry it on on his own. Let me say that ENIT was the worst fucking experience of my life last year. Although I was able to see Teachings From the Electronic Brain and saw Single Cell Orchestra and Freaky Chakra live, Moby performed absolutely horribly and the utterly talentless (unless you count sucking a dick) Traci Lords was alowed to 'D.J.'. And to cap it off I suffered permanent hearing dammage from the terrible sound mix.... -Fresh ========================================================================= Fullerton College claims no responsibility to the opinion expressed above (This is an automatic stamp from our Email system and not from the user.) =========================================================================

On Tue, 12 Mar 1996, Gonzalo Merchan wrote:

quoted 8 lines The Los Angeles Times reported today that Orbital are considering

> The Los Angeles Times reported today that Orbital are considering > playing this years Lollapalooza festival. If this doesn't make your > heart sink, I don't know what will. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, > hell, downright evil news. If Orbital played Lollapalooza it would be an > utter disaster. They'd get booed off the stage, which they would > probably end up playing in the middle of the day (not the best time to > see orbital live), by an endless sea of American Highschoolers and > meatheads who came to see Metalica and Soundgarden. It would be the

I'm going to respectfully disagree here. I saw Orbital during the NASA tour, and any opportunity to see the Brothers Hartnoll is worth enduring, say, Soundgarden (who I've actually seen a couple of times already). Look on the bright side - they'll definitely have fun with it, they'll really, really get the crowd going (how can you not groove to Orbital??), and "our" music will find a new audience. I think it's a great idea! When Ice Cube played an early slot on the '92 Lolla tour, the whole crowd went nuts. Stranger things have happened. Dave "Isn't that new?" "Why, yes - it is. Do you like it?" dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu............dave.manning@entex.com

quoted 1 line Stranger things have happened.

>Stranger things have happened.

Indeed. I'm truly curious to hear what people (here) think of such news. For the most part I'm not sure how I feel about it but I do have this strange feeling like "something monsterous is waiting in the closet". I'm not sure of the nature of the beast, I'm just certain there's something in the closet... The NASA tour provided a good time indeed but even that suffered from the whackness that previals you know where. Now, with good taste back in fasion, are people finding there's a new cast of characters on the scene safely guiding the masses to our little secret called KICK ASS music, or are the same TIRED representatives just switching around their playcharts based on shifts in the market? DIG?! Teep on now: full brain 6.0 - mike brown "....come into my house" aran@mit.edu po box 581 cambridge,ma 02142 USA

On Tue, 12 Mar 1996, Aran Parillo wrote:

quoted 3 lines Stranger things have happened.

> >Stranger things have happened. > > Indeed. I'm truly curious to hear what people (here) think of such news.

I don't think Orbital could be truly effective at Lollapalooza. Short of going dead last. First off is the light show. Dance music without an excessive amount of blinding lights just doesn't work for me. Orbital also have a FANTASTIC video mixer who just does beautiful stuff *live* to accompany what Orbital is playing. I have no idea who the other Lollapalooza bands are this year. And I don't care either. But if Orbital are on at night. I'll be there. I can't seem them ever being bad in any location. Sounds a little fan-crazy but they have never disappointed live, ever. Of course we can rehash Select voting them best live show at Glastonbury'94 over all the rock bands. In subsequent issues Select has named this Orbital as the best gig of all time. Don't forget the Select *never* mentions dance music, unless it's Bjork or some such band. High praise indeed. In other news of techno becoming more mainstream, Spanners was of course given 9/10 last summer in Details, and was also given the album cover picture on the reviews section. If this doesn't impress you, Bjork - Post was in the same issue buried somewhere in the back - 8/10. And a couple of weeks ago People magazine actually reviewed Goldie - Timeless with a VERY favourable review, describing it not as jungle, but as a fusion of techno, ambient, and jazz. Phil Downey

quoted 3 lines Don't forget the Select

>Don't forget the Select >*never* mentions dance music, unless it's Bjork or some such band. High >praise indeed.

Other than four or five full pages in the "First Bass" section every month, and usually around twice that many album reviews (LFO's 'Advance' is the lead review in the most recent issue I've seen). Are we talking about the same magazine? C. -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker)

Oops, mental confusion abounds in my brain. Why didn't you all read my mind and know I was talking about Details? Phil Downey On Wed, 13 Mar 1996, Chris.Hilker wrote:

quoted 9 lines Don't forget the Select

> >Don't forget the Select > >*never* mentions dance music, unless it's Bjork or some such band. High > >praise indeed. > > Other than four or five full pages in the "First Bass" section every month, > and usually around twice that many album reviews (LFO's 'Advance' is the > lead review in the most recent issue I've seen). Are we talking about the > same magazine? >

quoted 29 lines The Los Angeles Times reported today that Orbital are considering

>The Los Angeles Times reported today that Orbital are considering >playing this years Lollapalooza festival. If this doesn't make your >heart sink, I don't know what will. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, >hell, downright evil news. If Orbital played Lollapalooza it would be an >utter disaster. They'd get booed off the stage, which they would >probably end up playing in the middle of the day (not the best time to >see orbital live), by an endless sea of American Highschoolers and >meatheads who came to see Metalica and Soundgarden. It would be the >worst kind of publicity for them, since they'd be torn apart by every >god damn back water rock critic for not playing 'real' insturments. And >of course, we'd all be forced to endure a full day of hell since we >wouldn't want to miss seeing Orbital live. > >Even stranger is that Perry Ferrell has decieded to break off his ENIT >festival from Lollapalooza and carry it on on his own. Let me say that >ENIT was the worst fucking experience of my life last year. Although I >was able to see Teachings From the Electronic Brain and saw Single Cell >Orchestra and Freaky Chakra live, Moby performed absolutely horribly and >the utterly talentless (unless you count sucking a dick) Traci Lords was >alowed to 'D.J.'. And to cap it off I suffered permanent hearing dammage >from the terrible sound mix.... > > >-Fresh > >========================================================================= >Fullerton College claims no responsibility to the opinion expressed above >(This is an automatic stamp from our Email system and not from the user.) >=========================================================================

Actually, I think Perry Farrell has his heart in the right place. He admires the rave concept, but he didn't have the contacts to put together a *real* rave. So he found the artists the mainstream press are aware of (remember, Moby is being praised by the old-fart mainstream critics as the "future of techno,") dug up a few easy-to-find outsiders, and rushed his own version of a rave together. I'm positive he'll do better next time, with a little time to research things. You should read the article in the current issue of Spin. Based on that article, I have a tiny glimmer of hope that he'll get it right this time, just like he got the first Lollapalooza right for its time. -Phil [----------] [---] [-----] [-----] [-----] [----------] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [----------] [----------] [---] [---] [----------] [----------] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [--------] [-----] [-----] [---] [-----] [----------] Home is where the stereo is!

quoted 7 lines Actually, I think Perry Farrell has his heart in the right place. He

>Actually, I think Perry Farrell has his heart in the right place. He >admires the rave concept, but he didn't have the contacts to put together a >*real* rave. So he found the artists the mainstream press are aware of >(remember, Moby is being praised by the old-fart mainstream critics as the >"future of techno,") dug up a few easy-to-find outsiders, and rushed his >own version of a rave together. I'm positive he'll do better next time, >with a little time to research things.

I don't understand this. If he admires the "rave concept" whatever that is, why would he have to research it, like <it> was some kind of biology lab?

quoted 4 lines You should read the article in the current issue of Spin. Based on that

>You should read the article in the current issue of Spin. Based on that >article, I have a tiny glimmer of hope that he'll get it right this time, >just like he got the first Lollapalooza right for its time. >

Flat out - US <Rock> publications like Spin <suck donkey farts>. They have always held electronic music and dance music in contempt. For most of the rock press, techno is <not music> 'cause there are no words and it doesnt sound like part of the rock pantheon (name the rock-critic fav here -Velevet -sonic yuth - iggy...blah, blah, blah). The only type of electronic music the rock press likes is faux-industrial like Ministry and NIN 'cause they have words and wear leather trousers. I could go on..... _____________________________ Fight the Power!!!

I was trying to send a reply to this message detailing the absurdity of George Clinton's 45 minute set at Lollapalooza 94, how much the Butthole Surfers rocked Shoreline's massive (more massive than Ozzy's two weeks ago at a larger venue) soundsystem even though they played at 2pm, and generally taking a casual attitude toward the fear of (micro)cultural burglary perpetrated by the masses/media. But then a large chunk of the Internet went down around where I live so all you got to see was a few misfires by my sevice provider. This American capitalist system keeps itself culturally relevant by recuperating it's marginal nooks and providing them to consumers for purchase and fandom: look at the TV commercials for skateboarding shoes. I've come to take it as inevitable, and it keeps my taste evolving since newer stuff keeps cropping up for me to find forcing me to ask myself "what the fuck is THAT?" But I can see where it would be frustrating to see a distance growing between a myself and a band that that I'd supported since the early years, seeing them with 100 of my dearest cofans at the little club that summer, only to see them explode all over Mtv's Underground Beach House Rave. The bands can lose it with fame - that happens too - but then ya move on. I figure Atom Heart has a few more good albums to put out before Entertainment Tonight catches him in delicti with Claudia Schiffer-Copperfield. But hey, in addition to all this post-Marxist rhetoric, the whole mainstream-underground argument bores me. It's a weak reason to like or dis a band and seems to be becoming a genre by itself, aside from seemingly contradictory complications like obscure pop bands or Mr. Bungle. I can remember going to see Green Day when they were still in high school but I don't grudge them their success, I thought they were a great band then and it was only a matter of time before they got discovered. Good for them, it was inevitable because they were so good. The new Tori Amos record has some amazing vocals on it, btw. ObIDM: Does anyone know of a David Morley discography? I checked De Digitale Stad, but I don't know any Dutch. eric, who is comfortable with his mainstream tendencies

On Wed, 13 Mar 1996, Phil Downey wrote:

quoted 7 lines In other news of techno becoming more mainstream, Spanners was of course

> In other news of techno becoming more mainstream, Spanners was of course > given 9/10 last summer in Details, and was also given the album cover > picture on the reviews section. If this doesn't impress you, Bjork - > Post was in the same issue buried somewhere in the back - 8/10. And a > couple of weeks ago People magazine actually reviewed Goldie - Timeless > with a VERY favourable review, describing it not as jungle, but as a > fusion of techno, ambient, and jazz.

Not to defend the mainstream music press, but...didn't Spin list Moby, Wagon Christ, and Goldie in their best of 1995 issue? I believe Everything Is Wrong was their album of the year, no? And Entertainment Weekly ranked it 3rd best. --+ Brian +-------------------- http://world.std.com/~bgoddard/ -------------------------------

Metallica and Soundgarden are playing Lollapallooza this year!?!? Didn't Soundgarden play just a few years ago? I didn't know they were repeating acts that had already played for them. Well I figured Lollapalooza'd lost it when they gave George Clinton only 45 minutes for his set. I mean geez, don't these promoters have _any_ sense of the music they're putting out there? I guess the argument could be made that as long as some of the music gets out then it's ok, but what part of the music are you really putting out if Clinton's (e.g.) music is based on being able to play for 5 hours (like he did later that night at the Fillmore)? But if you're going to put pop-alternative music out in a shitty context, better Orbital than Stone Pimple Toilets. Speaking of, at the first one, the Butthole Surfers fucking blew all the other bands away, even at 2pm. Sure, they didn't have the sex-change films on the screen next to an episode of Charlie Angels, but Shoreline Amphitheater has one of THE hugest sound systems I've ever come across and they know how to work those speakers. Much bigger than the ones Ozzy had when I saw HIM a couple weeks ago (at a larger venue!). eric the shameless mainstream ticket buyer and metal fan