IDM Mailing Archive

jamess@firefox.co.uk (Jamess) writes:

quoted 4 lines It might seem odd, but does anyone hear any jungle stuff?

>It might seem odd, but does anyone hear any jungle stuff? >With all the hype recently, I couldn't resist picking up a handful >of highly recommended releases, and I think one or two are genuinely >interesting from an "intelligent" point of view. Of course you have

don't use that word 'intelligent'. :P

quoted 1 line to be able to withstand 170bpm breakbeats to appreciate this stuff,

>to be able to withstand 170bpm breakbeats to appreciate this stuff,

no, you don't. a lot of drum & bass coming out isn't very fast at all. why? well, there are no solid beats, just bass lines. no 4/floor, that slows it down a lot. not to mention some labels like reinforced release stuff around 140 bpm.

quoted 3 lines The complex drum patterns which jungle has developed are reminiscent

>The complex drum patterns which jungle has developed are reminiscent >of those used in much of "our" kind of idm - just a hell of a lot >faster.

no. 'idm' sticks (for the most part) to the 4 on the floor. jungle and drum & bass goes beyond this, as someone else would say, 'original ideas in percussion', or something like that. am i saying drum & bass and jungle are more 'intelligent' than idm? hell, yes. :P andrewf@foe.co.uk (Andrew Freeman) writes:

quoted 8 lines I just picked up an excellent compilation called 'This is Jungle' on

>I just picked up an excellent compilation called 'This is Jungle' on >Ultrasound. The chewns were compiled by Nicky Blackmarket of Blackmarket >Records and they are all produced this year. A good section of reggae, >darkside and ballad style cuts (16 tracks). Having ignored this scene for >a couple of years I have been most impressed by some of the work that has >been done over this summer in London. It has come light years from the >rave crap of 'Sesames Treat/Trumpton' , and seems to be moving off into >directions determined by the artists background, ie reggae, techno, soul.

hmm. i liked that 'rave crap'. it made you happy. it was fun. too bad people have minds like steal traps. :P dbdodd@midway.uchicago.edu (David Dodd)

quoted 1 line It's cool to hear people on this list talking about jungle, since a bunch

>It's cool to hear people on this list talking about jungle, since a bunch

yeah, well, i've been reading about it for a while on the breaks list.

quoted 1 line of releases lately seem to really be listening music as much as dance

>of releases lately seem to really be listening music as much as dance

i think saying a certain type of music is not good for listening to but dancing too is pretty stupid and opiniated, but that's what this list is all about. :P

quoted 4 lines music. I really like Omni Trio and Metalheads (aka Goldie) as far as

>music. I really like Omni Trio and Metalheads (aka Goldie) as far as >interesting listening. I recently got a tape made by a DJ here (Chicago) >that he describes as "intelligent drum and bass" which is very interesting >in a dubby sort of way, but unfortunately I don't have a track listing.

i guess it's too late. you wankers have already stuck the 'intelligent' label on it. :P

quoted 4 lines Looking at jungle in terms of musical progression, the junglists seem to

>Looking at jungle in terms of musical progression, the junglists seem to >be developing some really interesting ways to employ samplers. On the >best stuff they have gotten out of the whole problem of having a monotonous >d a long time ago, and it looks like you 'idm'ers are still

stuck there. :P

quoted 5 lines sound effects to keep the time and use the drum samples more as a lead

>sound effects to keep the time and use the drum samples more as a lead >instrument, and in a fairly non-repetitive way. Of course, I'm talking >about the best (IMHO) stuff; jungle always runs the risk of degenerating >into noisy sound-effects records, or worse yet, into extremely fast rap >music.

uh. yeah. whatever. i disagree. you'll see why if you keep reading.

quoted 5 lines To anyone who's interested in this kind of stuff, I'd recommend trying

>To anyone who's interested in this kind of stuff, I'd recommend trying >to find Simon Reynold's article about ambient jungle in _the Wire_ >(I think it was last month's issue). In general _the Wire_ seems to >cover jungle releases from an "intelligent" standpoint, and they often review >jungle singles and compilations.

there is no such thing as ambient jungle. i've said this...how many times? jungle is stuff like krome & time, dms & the boneman x, shy fx, yes, even m beat, although many junglists dislike him cos he did that track with levy. drum & bass is the style you are discussing here! omni trio is not jungle. he is drum & bass. same with the rest this list has been discussing. i think if most of you heard an actual 'jungle' record you'd hate it (cos you have no taste? :P ) and by the way, don't use the 'a' word to describe it either. :P and as for recommendations, i'd suggest signing on to the breaks list. i see a lot better reviews there than in any magazine that takes it from a damned 'intelligent' viewpoint. just when are people going to drop this pretentious 'intelligent' crap and just listen to the f*cking music? no music is more intelligent than another form. that's like saying this painting is smarter than that one! how can you label a work of art like that? pfft. now playing::: 'terrorist' by renegade -- @ ''''#####'.#.'#####''''' . '## :::ryan pals . - . '.#####.' . - .'###.## :::fk453@cleveland.freenet.edu @@'#...#''%&@ %###%#%##.''#...#'..'### :::this iz tha phuture... @&#....#%&@ %###%##%####....########

quoted 3 lines i think saying a certain type of music is not good for listening to

> i think saying a certain type of music is not good for listening to > but dancing too is pretty stupid and opiniated, but that's what this > list is all about. :P

No, its just a matter of moods. Some types of music make a lot more sense on the dance floor or when you want to get hyped up, and others for when you want to sit down and read, or smoke, or even do the ironing.

quoted 4 lines drum & bass is the style you are discussing here!

> drum & bass is the style you are discussing here! > omni trio is not jungle. he is drum & bass. same with the rest this > list has been discussing. i think if most of you heard an actual > 'jungle' record you'd hate it (cos you have no taste? :P )

erm getting a bit contentious here, thank you.

quoted 8 lines and by the way, don't use the 'a' word to describe it either. :P

> and by the way, don't use the 'a' word to describe it either. :P > > and as for recommendations, i'd suggest signing on to the breaks list. > i see a lot better reviews there than in any magazine that takes it from > a damned 'intelligent' viewpoint. > > just when are people going to drop this pretentious 'intelligent' crap > and just listen to the f*cking music?

I think you'll find that the people on this list spend most of their time _listening_ to music

quoted 3 lines no music is more intelligent than another form. that's like saying

> no music is more intelligent than another form. that's like saying > this painting is smarter than that one! how can you label a work of > art like that?

To an extent we are just using labels to draw a vague line around all the stuff we are talking about. These terms always become incomprehensible to those outside a given scene (look at the regular club scene in the UK - "handbag", "digifunk" etc etc.) - hence the misunderstanding we have in your viewpoint of the word "jungle". We are simply using labels we understand and if you don't like that well sorry. Let's try and keep the discussion open minded shall we. J ^