jamess@firefox.co.uk (Jamess) writes:
quoted 4 lines It might seem odd, but does anyone hear any jungle stuff?>It might seem odd, but does anyone hear any jungle stuff?
>With all the hype recently, I couldn't resist picking up a handful
>of highly recommended releases, and I think one or two are genuinely
>interesting from an "intelligent" point of view. Of course you have
don't use that word 'intelligent'. :P
quoted 1 line to be able to withstand 170bpm breakbeats to appreciate this stuff,>to be able to withstand 170bpm breakbeats to appreciate this stuff,
no, you don't. a lot of drum & bass coming out isn't very fast at
all. why? well, there are no solid beats, just bass lines. no 4/floor,
that slows it down a lot.
not to mention some labels like reinforced release stuff around 140
bpm.
quoted 3 lines The complex drum patterns which jungle has developed are reminiscent>The complex drum patterns which jungle has developed are reminiscent
>of those used in much of "our" kind of idm - just a hell of a lot
>faster.
no. 'idm' sticks (for the most part) to the 4 on the floor. jungle
and drum & bass goes beyond this, as someone else would say,
'original ideas in percussion', or something like that.
am i saying drum & bass and jungle are more 'intelligent' than idm?
hell, yes. :P
andrewf@foe.co.uk (Andrew Freeman) writes:
quoted 8 lines I just picked up an excellent compilation called 'This is Jungle' on>I just picked up an excellent compilation called 'This is Jungle' on
>Ultrasound. The chewns were compiled by Nicky Blackmarket of Blackmarket
>Records and they are all produced this year. A good section of reggae,
>darkside and ballad style cuts (16 tracks). Having ignored this scene for
>a couple of years I have been most impressed by some of the work that has
>been done over this summer in London. It has come light years from the
>rave crap of 'Sesames Treat/Trumpton' , and seems to be moving off into
>directions determined by the artists background, ie reggae, techno, soul.
hmm. i liked that 'rave crap'. it made you happy. it was fun. too bad
people have minds like steal traps. :P
dbdodd@midway.uchicago.edu (David Dodd)
quoted 1 line It's cool to hear people on this list talking about jungle, since a bunch>It's cool to hear people on this list talking about jungle, since a bunch
yeah, well, i've been reading about it for a while on the breaks list.
quoted 1 line of releases lately seem to really be listening music as much as dance>of releases lately seem to really be listening music as much as dance
i think saying a certain type of music is not good for listening to
but dancing too is pretty stupid and opiniated, but that's what this
list is all about. :P
quoted 4 lines music. I really like Omni Trio and Metalheads (aka Goldie) as far as>music. I really like Omni Trio and Metalheads (aka Goldie) as far as
>interesting listening. I recently got a tape made by a DJ here (Chicago)
>that he describes as "intelligent drum and bass" which is very interesting
>in a dubby sort of way, but unfortunately I don't have a track listing.
i guess it's too late. you wankers have already stuck the 'intelligent'
label on it. :P
quoted 4 lines Looking at jungle in terms of musical progression, the junglists seem to>Looking at jungle in terms of musical progression, the junglists seem to
>be developing some really interesting ways to employ samplers. On the
>best stuff they have gotten out of the whole problem of having a monotonous
>d a long time ago, and it looks like you 'idm'ers are still
stuck there. :P
quoted 5 lines sound effects to keep the time and use the drum samples more as a lead>sound effects to keep the time and use the drum samples more as a lead
>instrument, and in a fairly non-repetitive way. Of course, I'm talking
>about the best (IMHO) stuff; jungle always runs the risk of degenerating
>into noisy sound-effects records, or worse yet, into extremely fast rap
>music.
uh. yeah. whatever. i disagree. you'll see why if you keep reading.
quoted 5 lines To anyone who's interested in this kind of stuff, I'd recommend trying>To anyone who's interested in this kind of stuff, I'd recommend trying
>to find Simon Reynold's article about ambient jungle in _the Wire_
>(I think it was last month's issue). In general _the Wire_ seems to
>cover jungle releases from an "intelligent" standpoint, and they often review
>jungle singles and compilations.
there is no such thing as ambient jungle. i've said this...how many times?
jungle is stuff like krome & time, dms & the boneman x, shy fx, yes, even
m beat, although many junglists dislike him cos he did that track with
levy.
drum & bass is the style you are discussing here!
omni trio is not jungle. he is drum & bass. same with the rest this
list has been discussing. i think if most of you heard an actual
'jungle' record you'd hate it (cos you have no taste? :P )
and by the way, don't use the 'a' word to describe it either. :P
and as for recommendations, i'd suggest signing on to the breaks list.
i see a lot better reviews there than in any magazine that takes it from
a damned 'intelligent' viewpoint.
just when are people going to drop this pretentious 'intelligent' crap
and just listen to the f*cking music?
no music is more intelligent than another form. that's like saying
this painting is smarter than that one! how can you label a work of
art like that?
pfft.
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