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From a DJ standpoint there really is no argument, CD's lack any sort of personality. Besides vinyl is much better for rolling joints on. Wig

OK, with this smallish turntable discussion going on, I though I would lend my hand at dispelling any misconceptions/questions about getting a turntable or vinyl in general. I am a 17 year old student/part time worker, just so you know. 1. "I can't afford a turntable!!" -Yes, you can. I work at a really crappy job, and I just saved to get my 1200 for a long time. And you don't even need a 1200. Get a Gemeni 1000. Decent price, decent preformance. Just save. 2. "Why do you guys love vinyl? CD's are so much better!" (not said, but I am sure was thought) - Vinyl is great because it's so much more *real* than a CD. Its big, its solid, it's *there*. You see it being played, you can see the grooves. You manipulate the playing manually. It has a distinctive sound to it. You can find it cheap. Lots of *great* stuff is only on vinyl. Vinyl has larger, better artwork on the packaging. On the other hand, CD's are so *cold*. I mean, I use them when I have to, yeah. But it's so technical, so false. You put it in a closed little area, and you don't know what the hell is going on in there. :) So thats my 2 cents and more. Thats why I dig vinyl, thats how I got my table. SKAM02 is worth my money alone. Really. Later, all. Stay mellow. Shane -- If you have ICQ, you can reach me by using this number: 2220289 Leave me a world wide page at http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2220289 GO GET ICQ NOW!!! http://www.mirabilis.com

quoted 3 lines -Yes, you can. I work at a really crappy job, and I just saved to

> -Yes, you can. I work at a really crappy job, and I just saved to > get my 1200 for a long time. And you don't even need a 1200. Get a > Gemeni 1000. Decent price, decent preformance. Just save.

come on. you can afford anything if you save long enough. have a look at my 401(k) plan.

quoted 3 lines CD's are so *cold*. I mean, I use them when I have to, yeah. But it's so

> CD's are so *cold*. I mean, I use them when I have to, yeah. But it's so > technical, so false. You put it in a closed little area, and you don't > know what the hell is going on in there. :)

the most meaningless part of a consitantly meaningless argument. people like vinyl, for the same reason they like little cuddly wuzzy fuzz bunnies. there is no reason. you're anthropomorphizing a recording medium. records are no more human than cds. as for the sound quality: i laugh at the man who thinks that music recorded digitally (like much of what's talked about here) can possibly sound better on an analog medium. different, maybe, but degraded from the original. the only reason to have a record player: to play music not available on CD. i will trade my GAK 12" for the CD single if anyone's got it.

quoted 8 lines - Vinyl is great because it's so much more *real* than a CD. Its

> - Vinyl is great because it's so much more *real* than a CD. Its >big, its solid, it's *there*. You see it being played, you can see the >grooves. You manipulate the playing manually. It has a distinctive sound >to it. You can find it cheap. Lots of *great* stuff is only on vinyl. >Vinyl has larger, better artwork on the packaging. On the other hand, >CD's are so *cold*. I mean, I use them when I have to, yeah. But it's so >technical, so false. You put it in a closed little area, and you don't >know what the hell is going on in there. :)

THE APHEX TWIN SUCKS! C. -- Chris.Hilker (cspot@hyperreal.org) "One being, that talking about things, while not exactly causing them to happen, does cause something,-- which is almost the same, tho' not quite. Unless it is possible to smoke a Potatoe."

quoted 10 lines - Vinyl is great because it's so much more *real* than a CD. Its

> > - Vinyl is great because it's so much more *real* than a CD. Its > >big, its solid, it's *there*. You see it being played, you can see the > >grooves. You manipulate the playing manually. It has a distinctive sound > >to it. You can find it cheap. Lots of *great* stuff is only on vinyl. > >Vinyl has larger, better artwork on the packaging. On the other hand, > >CD's are so *cold*. I mean, I use them when I have to, yeah. But it's so > >technical, so false. You put it in a closed little area, and you don't > >know what the hell is going on in there. :) > > THE APHEX TWIN SUCKS!

yeah, i thought it's supposed to be "intelligent" dance music? what's that supposed to mean?

I think he was comparing us to nazis. On Tue, 5 August 1997, at 21:19:25, john/bergmayer wrote:

quoted 6 lines THE APHEX TWIN SUCKS!

> > > > THE APHEX TWIN SUCKS! > > yeah, i thought it's supposed to be "intelligent" dance music? what's > that supposed to mean? >

quoted 5 lines 2. "Why do you guys love vinyl? CD's are so much better!" (not said, but

>2. "Why do you guys love vinyl? CD's are so much better!" (not said, but >I am sure was thought) > - Vinyl is great because it's so much more *real* than a CD. Its >big, its solid, it's *there*. You see it being played, you can see the >grooves.

Yeah. Big, bulky and difficult to transport or play anywhere except home are always good characteristics for a medium in my book! I love to load up my 6 12" record changer in my car with the latest IDM and try to figure out if what I'm listening to is what Autechre intended me to hear or the needle jumping around! I love to take my Sony 12" discman with me to school, it's great for listening to records in between classes! Ok, I'll stop being a dick now. I'll take the portability and playability of my cds over vinyl anyday. If I want the artwork big as day, I'll get a poster ... Let the war begin! Woo-hoo! markw@southwind.net

On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, mark weddle wrote:

quoted 4 lines Ok, I'll stop being a dick now. I'll take the portability and playability of

> > Ok, I'll stop being a dick now. I'll take the portability and playability of > my cds over vinyl anyday. If I want the artwork big as day, I'll get a > poster ...

Have to say that portability has never been a reason for me to buy CDs (I buy both CD and vinyl, although my vinyl buying is a bit limited in Chile). I have no intention of ever buying a personal CD player just for some wanker to mug and run off with it and God know how many precious CDs (precious to me at least). If I want to listen to something out of the house I record it to tape and if something gets stolen or broken (accidents happen, I've seen enough horror stories on this list to convince me of this) all I lose is a blank and a worthless walkman (must be about 10 years old now).

quoted 6 lines Let the war begin! Woo-hoo!

> > Let the war begin! Woo-hoo! > > markw@southwind.net > >

bellic Tim Those who set out to serve both God and Mammon soon find there is no God.

sorry. ignore the quotes on my later text.

quoted 49 lines mark weddle wrote: .

> mark weddle wrote: . > > > Yeah. Big, bulky and difficult to transport or play anywhere except > > > home > > are always good characteristics for a medium in my book! I love to > > load > > up my 6 12" record changer in my car with the latest IDM and try to > > figure out if what I'm listening to is what Autechre intended me to > > hear > > or the needle jumping around! I love to take my Sony 12" discman > with > > > > me to school, it's great for listening to records in between > classes! > > > > Ok, I'll stop being a dick now. I'll take the portability and > > playability of > > my cds over vinyl anyday. If I want the artwork big as day, I'll > get > > a > > poster ... > > > > Let the war begin! Woo-hoo! > > > > markw@southwind.net > > Well, I don't expect to be able to play records in my car... ever, > > but I have found an exceedingly portable and high-quality portable > record player. It's manufactured now (meaning I didn't pick it up at > some junk shop) and it has really great components, like an > audio-technica cartdridge. Yeah, it's from Japan and you have to pay > $50 > to just > to ship it here, but, hey, it's rad. Here is the URL. > http://www.osk.threewebnet.or.jp/~vacuum05 > > I never expect vinyl to be as portable as a CD or cassette. It's > something you have to live with. I much more enjoy my music at home, > anyways. > > Shane > > -- > If you have ICQ, you can reach me by using this number: 2220289 > Leave me a world wide page at http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2220289 > > GO GET ICQ NOW!!! http://www.mirabilis.com

Before we all jump in on this vinyl vs. CD thing, again, let's just state the facts: Vinyl: analog: a needle plays the actual vinyl. You hear the music through the vinyl, so you get its character, imperfections, hear when there's dust on it, dust on your needle, etc. An abused record: you'll hear the abuse, etc. CDs: digital: you are not hearing what the CD player is playing in reaction to this particular CD (like a needle on a record), you are hearing the result of the CD reading the zeros and ones (digital data) from the CD and they are heard by you as music. When you hear music on vinyl it is completely different from the chain of events when you hear music that is on a CD. Not better, not worse, but different. Because one is analog and the other is digital, there are differences in the sound. Some prefer one, some prefer the other, but please let's not get into a debate about it. As for those who DJ: Some who DJ will prefer one over the other, some use both. Had to get this out, but 4 hours of sleep have not made this eloquent, and I apologize. Thanks. Andrew -- Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9 TEL 902-422-7132 FAX 902-422-1262 http://www.globalserve.net/~cognition (Cognition Audioworks/In The Mix: listen : read) In The Mix show 575:Richie Hawtin/Neil Landstrumm/Merrick Brown 574:Octave One/DJ Orion 573:Mike Dunn/Byron Stingily/Dylan Drazen *upcoming:Juan Atkins, UR, Damon Wild, John Tejada, D.JeRome, Miguel Graca

i think baby diddy was joking when he brought this up. it was added as a PS. there is absolutely NO reason to go over this again. buy what you buy in whatever format you buy it in. i will say though, the vinyl folks will at least still have their music after 20 years, while we the CD players will be scratching our heads and wondering why we put our CD in the player and nothing comes out of the speakers. i cringe whenever i think about it. On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks wrote:

quoted 34 lines Before we all jump in on this vinyl vs. CD thing, again, let's just

> Before we all jump in on this vinyl vs. CD thing, again, let's just > state the facts: > > Vinyl: analog: a needle plays the actual vinyl. You hear the music > through the vinyl, so you get its character, imperfections, hear when > there's dust on it, dust on your needle, etc. An abused record: you'll > hear the abuse, etc. > > CDs: digital: you are not hearing what the CD player is playing in > reaction to this particular CD (like a needle on a record), you are > hearing the result of the CD reading the zeros and ones (digital data) > from the CD and they are heard by you as music. When you hear music on > vinyl it is completely different from the chain of events when you hear > music that is on a CD. Not better, not worse, but different. > > Because one is analog and the other is digital, there are differences in > the sound. Some prefer one, some prefer the other, but please let's not > get into a debate about it. As for those who DJ: Some who DJ will > prefer one over the other, some use both. Had to get this out, but 4 > hours of sleep have not made this eloquent, and I apologize. Thanks. > Andrew > > -- > Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks > 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9 > TEL 902-422-7132 FAX 902-422-1262 > http://www.globalserve.net/~cognition > (Cognition Audioworks/In The Mix: listen : read) > In The Mix show 575:Richie Hawtin/Neil Landstrumm/Merrick Brown > 574:Octave One/DJ Orion 573:Mike Dunn/Byron Stingily/Dylan Drazen > *upcoming:Juan Atkins, UR, Damon Wild, John Tejada, D.JeRome, Miguel > Graca > >

All I got to say is vinyl-only releases piss me off!!!

At 10:42 AM 10/2/98 -0300, Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks wrote:

quoted 2 lines Before we all jump in on this vinyl vs. CD thing, again, let's just

>Before we all jump in on this vinyl vs. CD thing, again, let's just >state the facts:

Everyone's got it wrong, it's all about hand-cranked phonographs for your IDM audio fidelity. Newfangled "tunrtables" and "cd players." Modern-day trinkets! -- "Danae hand-rolling hypocrisy, funeral faces, chain-smoking other people's sorrows. Stepped-on newspapers rotating, people a piece of newspaper blowing by." http://www.doombug.com/speek/

Ho hum.... If it goes thump thump thump I'll buy it on vinyl. If it goes whoosh, or thump wiggle crackle wiggle I'll buy it on CD. Some labels release different versions of tracks on vinyl than on CD, or mix up the track order, or even take a few tracks out on the vinyl release. Often CDs have shorter versions of tracks than the vinyl.... ("Remedy" by Basement Jaxx is a prime example of the vinyl release being completely different from the CD... but that's not exactly IDM?? Although I detected a few twinges of digital trickery on many tracks)...... I haven't bought a CD though in nearly a year.... Aaron np: Antonelli Electr. "The Realist" (Italic) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In a message dated 28/12/99 5:46:42 matttudor@yahoo.com writes:

quoted 2 lines Out of curiosity - when given a choice to buy an album

> Out of curiosity - when given a choice to buy an album > on vinyl or cd, what format do you prefer?

In general - both formats. Cd exposes a crisper digital dynamic range/ vinyl gives a warmer/ analog sound. Also, there is a decay factor for vinyl which over time tends to mature in sound (like a good wine). Specifically, I prefer the digital format for electronics, ambient and live recordings. For techno, house and jazz oriented music, I perfer vinyl for a more robust 'bottom end' sound. And for the mixability factor too! I tend to have 2 copies of classic releases. For example, the Speedy J - G spot LP on vinyl is good for straight up techno tracks such as G-Spot, Ping Pong and Fun Equations, where more ambient tracks such as Extruma, Lanzarote and Treatments sound excellent on CD. Thanks for taking in this point of view. A Z --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org