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At 01:55 AM 4/24/00 GMT, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines I compared the Caustic Window version to the commercial, they are different

>I compared the Caustic Window version to the commercial, they are different >versions. Theres about six different remixes of the original, by Gershon >Kingsley

There's a lot more than that actually... check out www.popcornsong.com =) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Has anyone heard Gershon Kingsley's new version of popcorn which was done entirely on a Roland Groovebox? (MC-505) It's on this awesome (idea for a compilation) on Grand Royal. They gave one of these "techno grooveboxes" to some artists to see what they could do with it. Included are Jean Jacques Perrey, Buffalo Daughter, John McEntire, Air, Pavement, Money Mark, Beck, Sean Lennon, Gershon Kingsley, SOnic Youth, Bis, Cibo Matto, Bonnie "Prince" Billy, and Dick Hyman. Tracks are hit and miss (the Air one is GREAT if you like Air), but it's interesting to see what different routes these artists take with the constraint of equipment which is target-marketed towards the 4 to the floor crowd. The name of the comp is "At Home With The Groovebox" in case anyone is interested. At 09:03 AM 4/24/2000 -0700, you wrote:

quoted 10 lines At 01:55 AM 4/24/00 GMT, you wrote:

>At 01:55 AM 4/24/00 GMT, you wrote: > >I compared the Caustic Window version to the commercial, they are different > >versions. Theres about six different remixes of the original, by Gershon > >Kingsley > >There's a lot more than that actually... check out www.popcornsong.com =) > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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yeah ive heard this and its really nice. grand royal wasnt the first to do a compilation in this style though. the first (that i know of) is called "groovebox experience" which came out on distance in 97. same concept as "at home..." but with the mc-303. its got technossomy and scan x contributions among others... btw: i got a 3xcd compilation called "ohm: the early gurus of electronic music" tonight. i havent listened to it yet as i just got home but it looks like its going to be great. like i said its got 3 cds with 43 artists from 1948 to 1980 plus a 90+ page booklet with interviews/bios and some nice sturdy packaging. also: about a month ago i bought a cd/book by carsten nicolai called "polyfoto". really nice art and essays along with a 20 minute disc similar in looks to the '20 to 2000 series. i had no idea carsten nicolai was also into visual art. im very impressed with everything ive heard and seen by him. what else should i look for? matt on now: steve roden- crop circles. -------- www.spaceistheplace.org/ambientmafia On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:19:05 -0400 Bill Wright <wwright@clemson.edu> writes:

quoted 43 lines Has anyone heard Gershon Kingsley's new version of popcorn which was

>Has anyone heard Gershon Kingsley's new version of popcorn which was >done >entirely on a Roland Groovebox? (MC-505) It's on this awesome (idea >for a >compilation) on Grand Royal. They gave one of these "techno >grooveboxes" >to some artists to see what they could do with it. Included are Jean > >Jacques Perrey, Buffalo Daughter, John McEntire, Air, Pavement, Money >Mark, >Beck, Sean Lennon, Gershon Kingsley, SOnic Youth, Bis, Cibo Matto, >Bonnie >"Prince" Billy, and Dick Hyman. Tracks are hit and miss (the Air one >is >GREAT if you like Air), but it's interesting to see what different >routes >these artists take with the constraint of equipment which is >target-marketed towards the 4 to the floor crowd. > >The name of the comp is "At Home With The Groovebox" in case anyone is > >interested. > >At 09:03 AM 4/24/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>At 01:55 AM 4/24/00 GMT, you wrote: >> >I compared the Caustic Window version to the commercial, they are >different >> >versions. Theres about six different remixes of the original, by >Gershon >> >Kingsley >> >>There's a lot more than that actually... check out >www.popcornsong.com =) >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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At 03:59 AM 4/25/2000 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 5 lines also: about a month ago i bought a cd/book by carsten nicolai called

>also: about a month ago i bought a cd/book by carsten nicolai called >"polyfoto". really nice art and essays along with a 20 minute disc >similar in looks to the '20 to 2000 series. i had no idea carsten >nicolai was also into visual art. im very impressed with everything ive >heard and seen by him. what else should i look for?

If you like the Polyfoto ep check out Noto's 20' to 2000 contribution or his recent Empty Garden cdep. I dont have the new Alva Noto cd on Mille Plateaux but I hear that is excellent as well. Noto's Infinity - endless loops editiion 2x10" is quite fun featuring nothing but over 100 lock grooves that were used to compose his Infinity cd. Finally his Kerne is a nice, but somewhat quieter journey into the Noto digital landscapes that you are just starting to discover. Other Noto releases of note: . Noto: spin cd (Rastermusic) . Noto: infinity cd (Noton) . Noto: infinity - endless loops edition lock groove 2x10" (Noton) . Ø + Noto: mikro makro cd/2x10" (Rastermusic) . Noto: kerne cd (Plate Lunch) . Noto: 20' to 2000 - #9 cd (Rastermusic) . Noto: empty garden - inside.out cd (A1/Rastermusic) . Alva Noto: prototypes cd (Mille Plateaux) Comp appearances: . Microscopic Sounc comp cd (Caipirinha) . Modulation & Transformation vol 4 comp 3xcd/4xlp (Mille Plateaux) . Clicks_+_Cutc comp 2xcd/3xlp (Mille Plateaux) -->-Lance--- lance@inaudible.com p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Lance mentioned a couple of recent Noto works -- Empty Garden, and the cd under the Alva Noto moniker. Empty Garden, let it be noted, is extremely minimal, high-frequency stuff that brings to mind Ryoji Ikeda -- at times it's actually quite painful to listen to (literally), so be forewarned. Alva Noto, on the other hand, represents Carsten Nicolai's newest alter ego, and is the name for his more "melodic," rhythmically-oriented projects (as opposed to his more austere sound-design explorations). The Alva Noto CD (the name of which completely escapes me) I have to say I find to be possibly his best work yet. I wholeheartedly recommend it even if you're not into extreme glitch. Even cooler - Nicolai is currently at work on a *string quartet*, reportedly in the vein of Reich... very exciting. The requisite plug: for more info on Nicolai check the interview at http://www.urbansounds.com/us_current/thumbnail/nicolai_1.html. Also, keep your eyes peeled for a Nicolai feature in *Surface magazine in about 2 months... Philip Sherburne Senior Editor, Technology 510-985-7885 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines Alva Noto, on the other hand, represents Carsten Nicolai's newest alter

>Alva Noto, on the other hand, represents Carsten Nicolai's newest alter >ego, and is the name for his more "melodic," rhythmically- >oriented projects (as opposed to his more austere sound-design >explorations). The Alva Noto CD (the name of which completely escapes me) >I have to say I find to be possibly his best work yet. I wholeheartedly >recommend it even if you're not into extreme glitch.

i'd be into "extreme" glitch, i just can't afford the snowboard, bunjee cord and helicopter. the alva noto sounds interesting. better than his rather stultifying volume of the 20:2000 series?

quoted 2 lines Even cooler - Nicolai is currently at work on a *string quartet*,

>Even cooler - Nicolai is currently at work on a *string quartet*, >reportedly in the vein of Reich... very exciting.

more like terrifying. i thought that electronic musicians had gotten over the "oh, well, electronic music is great fun but now i'm older and it's time to start writing _serious_, _classical_ music" thing in the 60s. what with stockhausen being something of a joke after he decided to forsake electronics in favor of "composition." well, i'm sure the result will be terribly interesting, or interestingly terrible.

quoted 1 line >http://www.urbansounds.com/us_current/thumbnail/nicolai_1.html.

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quoted 2 lines the alva noto sounds interesting. better than his rather stultifying

> >the alva noto sounds interesting. better than his rather stultifying > >volume of the 20:2000 series?

Personally, I think the Noto entry in the 20:2000 series is one of the best sets of "microsound" I've heard. It's also my favorite disc in the (somewhat disappointing) series.

quoted 2 lines what with stockhausen being something of a joke after he decided to forsake

> >>what with stockhausen being something of a joke after he decided to forsake > >>electronics in favor of "composition."

Stocky composed some important accoustic pieces (Kreuzpiel, some of the Klavierstücke, etc.) before he started composing electronic music. And he's still composing a lot of electronic music. http://www.stockhausen.org/ Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines stockhausen being something of a joke after he decided to forsake

>stockhausen being something of a joke after he decided to forsake >electronics in favor of "composition."

hah? I mean, stockhausen is something of a joke from start to finish in my book (and not always a bad joke)...but he was composing notated music for acoustic instruments before, during and after his electronic music making. but perhaps you mean he was originally a TV repairman or something.... kurt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 5 lines one interesting point that nicolai made was that with so many people working

>one interesting point that nicolai made was that with so many people working >in the clicks'n'cuts vein (and as he puts it, "releasing so many cds that >all sound the same), where attention to process is increasingly eclipsing >the success of the output, a turn to acoustic instruments is a way of at >least temporarily side-stepping that particular problem.

I was just wondering last night how many recent electronic artists rate the success of their work on the process or concept, rather than the end result. I can imagine very, VERY few music listeners (and again, even less buyers) rate things that way. I started trying to think of artists who might well approach music that way and was thinking many of those represented by something like Clicks and Cuts (and many releases on Mille Plateaux) might fit that category. I'm just saying this because it interests me to then find that the guy behind Alta Noto (on that very compilation) complains about the output. Mind you, I guess SND, while clearly interested in process, care about the results too, as evinced in their interview in 'The Wire'. Something nags at me that a lot of people interested in working with rhythm are definitely concerned with the results, but they needn't be. Still, I suppose few "conceptual artists" (if I can use that term really broadly) working with sound don't entirely discount what the results are like, although such people certainly exist. As another thought, if anyone can suggest to me (off-list, I guess) some examples of electronic music that you know was written with no attention to the end result (ie. a purely conceptual or process-driven piece of music) I'd love to hear about it. I dimly think of acts like the Hafler Trio... sometimes their music seems to be documenting a concept, rather than something at all connected to aesthetics. Michael np. 'Voodoo' - D'Angelo (yeah again. :P ) -+- Involve Records http://involve.co.nz Jet Jaguar MP3s http://mp3.com/jetjag/ -+- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 02:01 27/04/00 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 6 lines Something nags at me that a lot of people interested in working with

>Something nags at me that a lot of people interested in working with >rhythm are definitely >concerned with the results, but they needn't be. Still, I suppose few >"conceptual artists" (if I can use that term really broadly) working with >sound don't entirely discount what the results are like, although such people >certainly exist.

Hmm, not my finest moment in typing. What I meant was this: I have a niggling suspicion that a lot of people interesting in working with rhythm are doing so because they care about the results, but I suppose that needn't be true of all people working with rhythm. Having said that, I guess that most "conceptual artists" working with sound don't entirely discount what the results are like, although some certainly do. Thinking about it some more, I actually think almost all of those involved with clicks and cuts style stuff are very much into the results... as listeners on this list (rightly) describe it, this is "sound design". But being concerned with process and the conceptual side of an art work certainly is in no ways incommensurate with giving a shit about the results. Michael PS. Glad I got the word "incommensurate" in there. ;-) -+- Involve Records http://involve.co.nz Jet Jaguar MP3s http://mp3.com/jetjag/ -+- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org