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Bowie pulled the same shite with Nine in Nails. They even did a duet (terrible). Nothing is more pathetic than an aging rocker (visionary) riding the coat tails of latest trend, something Bowie has done since disco. Bowie is a whore!!!! Mody is an asswad and every one of his fucking songs sound exactly like the last. He needs to get off that epic pisno crap.

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>From: Syntax8rror@aol.com >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Fw: moby is an asswad >Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:15:54 EDT > >Dans un courrier dat? du 04/08/02 6:14:07 Paris, Madrid (heure d'?t?), >hmshih@eclipse.net a ?crit : > > > > What the hell is Bowie doing opening up for Moby anyway ? > > > That would be like having Depeche Mode open up for > > > Fischerspooner! > > Or Meat Beat Manifesto opening up for Prodigy? > >or autechre for funst?rung >LOL > >/yann > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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I disagree. I have was a huge Bowie fan growing up. I though that everything up until Low was quite original. I still listen to Space Oddity and and Ziggy Stardust.

quoted 24 lines From: Mxyzptlk <jpklein@telocity.com>

>From: Mxyzptlk <jpklein@telocity.com> >To: "Sean Horton" <sean_horton@hotmail.com>,Syntax8rror@aol.com, >idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Fw: moby is an asswad, Bowie is a whore >Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 15:18:04 -0500 > >At 02:09 PM 8/4/2002, Sean Horton wrote: >>Bowie pulled the same shite with Nine in Nails. They even did a duet >>(terrible). Nothing is more pathetic than an aging rocker (visionary) >>riding the coat tails of latest trend, something Bowie has done since >>disco. > >Not true. It's something he did long before disco. He used to be a folkie, >then a rocker, then a freak, etc. >I guess I would argue that there would have been no Trenties had there been >no Bowie. At least Bowie is a classy whore. > > jeff > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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At 02:18 PM 8/4/2002, Sean Horton wrote:

quoted 3 lines I disagree. I have was a huge Bowie fan growing up. I though that

>I disagree. I have was a huge Bowie fan growing up. I though that >everything up until Low was quite original. I still listen to Space Oddity >and and Ziggy Stardust.

Disagree all you want. He copped onto the Folk thing and shifted gears when it suited him. This is something he has freely admitted to doing in interviews forever - he calls *himself* a chameleon. He may have taken various styles to different places, but I certainly wouldn't call him an innovator - not even vocally (he is consciously trying to cop Scott Walker - another thing he admits) . As far as being a fan, I was following him before he hit the charts with Space Oddity and I still think he's worthy of a listen (although I find his latest record tedious and unspectacular). jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

It's funny that we consider older musicians to be whores when they try (struggle?) to maintain a sense of cultutal currency and while we (culturally speaking we) deride other musicians for not changing. So I guess it's better for Bowie to do nothing and never play live again or never release another album?

quoted 18 lines At 02:09 PM 8/4/2002, Sean Horton wrote:

>At 02:09 PM 8/4/2002, Sean Horton wrote: >>Bowie pulled the same shite with Nine in Nails. They even did a duet >>(terrible). Nothing is more pathetic than an aging rocker (visionary) >>riding the coat tails of latest trend, something Bowie has done since >>disco. > >Not true. It's something he did long before disco. He used to be a folkie, >then a rocker, then a freak, etc. >I guess I would argue that there would have been no Trenties had there been >no Bowie. At least Bowie is a classy whore. > > jeff > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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At 02:29 PM 8/4/2002, donna summer wrote:

quoted 5 lines It's funny that we consider older musicians to be whores when they try

>It's funny that we consider older musicians to be whores when they try >(struggle?) to maintain a sense of cultutal currency and while we >(culturally speaking we) deride other musicians for not changing. So I >guess it's better for Bowie to do nothing and never play live again or >never release another album?

Not by me. I maintain that he's only doing what he has always done - be a chameleon, and quite well, thank you. I think that some people became familiar with him during a certain period when he was popular (the one in which he probably had the greatest success in terms of being "big") and so when he does what he has always done, they see it as a loss of his "originality". Stand him next to Jagger and he looks quite relevant. And I've heard far less acceptable attempts to incorporate the electronic cultural currency into an old-line popstar's playlist than "Earthling". jeff ...just don't get me started on Jeff Lynne :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 02:29 PM 8/4/2002, donna summer wrote:

quoted 5 lines It's funny that we consider older musicians to be whores when they try

>It's funny that we consider older musicians to be whores when they try >(struggle?) to maintain a sense of cultutal currency and while we >(culturally speaking we) deride other musicians for not changing. So I >guess it's better for Bowie to do nothing and never play live again or >never release another album?

What I found quite interesting along those lines was the McCartney/Youth "Fireman" project. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 03:44 PM 8/4/02 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 2 lines What I found quite interesting along those lines was the McCartney/Youth

>What I found quite interesting along those lines was the McCartney/Youth >"Fireman" project.

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On 4 Aug 2002 at 15:44, Mxyzptlk wrote:

quoted 3 lines What I found quite interesting along those lines was the McCartney/Youth

> > What I found quite interesting along those lines was the McCartney/Youth > "Fireman" project.

Interesting thing about that project was the fact that McC's name does NOT appear anywhere on the release. It's totally hush-hush that he's behind it. I suppose he was scared of 'offending' his fan-base or losing people who've followed his more pop career all along ? I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Bowie a folkie? When??? like 1965??? Mxyzptlk wrote:

quoted 16 lines At 02:09 PM 8/4/2002, Sean Horton wrote:

> > At 02:09 PM 8/4/2002, Sean Horton wrote: > >Bowie pulled the same shite with Nine in Nails. They even did a duet > >(terrible). Nothing is more pathetic than an aging rocker (visionary) > >riding the coat tails of latest trend, something Bowie has done since disco. > > Not true. It's something he did long before disco. He used to be a folkie, > then a rocker, then a freak, etc. > I guess I would argue that there would have been no Trenties had there been > no Bowie. At least Bowie is a classy whore. > > jeff > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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At 03:56 PM 8/4/02 -0700, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines Bowie a folkie?

>Bowie a folkie? >When??? >like 1965???

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At 05:56 PM 8/4/2002, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines Bowie a folkie?

>Bowie a folkie? >When??? >like 1965???

Pretty close. Late 60s. He was a mod of sorts as well. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

er... but wouldn't those pre-date Dylan? interesting, at any rate I'll have to dig those up and give a listen "andrij kopytko." wrote:

quoted 7 lines At 03:56 PM 8/4/02 -0700, you wrote:

> > At 03:56 PM 8/4/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Bowie a folkie? > >When??? > >like 1965??? > > There are Bob Dylan-esque tracks all over his first few records.

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Heavens, no. Bob is - what? - 61 now and has been making records since 1962. I may be off by a year there, but not more than that. He predates Bowie and is a huge influence on him - as he was/is on most from that period. jeff At 09:03 PM 8/4/2002, you wrote:

quoted 12 lines er... but wouldn't those pre-date Dylan?

>er... but wouldn't those pre-date Dylan? >interesting, at any rate >I'll have to dig those up and give a listen > >"andrij kopytko." wrote: > > > > At 03:56 PM 8/4/02 -0700, you wrote: > > >Bowie a folkie? > > >When??? > > > > > > There are Bob Dylan-esque tracks all over his first few records.

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