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Re: [idm] the title 'IDM' (formerly 'hip hop and idm')

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2000-08-12 19:41ian Re: [idm] the title 'IDM' (formerly 'hip hop and idm')
└─ 2000-08-13 17:41Kent williams Re: [idm] the title 'IDM' (formerly 'hip hop and idm')
2000-08-13 01:26EggyToast Re: [idm] the title 'IDM' (formerly 'hip hop and idm')
2000-08-14 16:00ian Re: [idm] the title 'IDM' (formerly 'hip hop and idm')
└─ 2000-08-14 20:30Jamie Osborne Re(2): [idm] the title 'IDM' (formerly 'hip hop and idm')
2000-08-14 20:00Jacob Arnold Re: [idm] the title 'IDM' (formerly 'hip hop and idm')
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2000-08-12 19:41ianI think perhaps the problem with the name IDM for the genre is misleading especially when
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I think perhaps the problem with the name IDM for the genre is misleading especially when I can listen to something completely opposite in style and still appreciate it just as much "in my head"... for example grindcore... fast technical metal isnt something that most people call intelligent, but there are many bands that I think rip that I can "braindance" just as well as to some clicks or pops. Point being, idm could be more of an all-encompassing genre, rather than a nebulous and ambiguous definition of a style. IDM should be split in at least 100 categories but I dont think anyone would wanna take the time to subcategorize it -- it moves too damn fast anyway. (I like that tho.) IAn ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: choralone5 <FM-109@att.net> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 04:14:45 -0700
quoted 23 lines "">"" >In my humble opinion, the first 'lectronic intelligent dance music was >produced by the Bomb Squad (courtesy of the brothers Shocklee). Didn't >it >all start with "Yo, Bum Rush the Show!" in 1986? Kraftwerk was way >intelligent, as was Devo... but dance music? "" > > > > >when when was the first mantronix album? i mean that's definitely IDM, >and autechre's basscadet i believe is a tribute to mantronix's >"bassline" (the first track). the handclap pattern and effect is just >too similar. > >choralone5 > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > ></font>
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2000-08-13 17:41Kent williamsIDM is a mailing list, not a musical genre. If I keep repeating it, maybe people will stop
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IDM is a mailing list, not a musical genre. If I keep repeating it, maybe people will stop stressing on it as a tag. The whole idea of this list I hope is to discuss music that is primarily (though not exclusively) electronic, that bears repeated listening because it's actually art -- an idiosyncratic expression of the artist. That for me encompasses Steve Reich, Black Dog, Mad Professor, Amon Tobin, Jeff Mills, My Bloody Valentine, Edgar Varese, Thomas Brinkmann, and on and on til the break of dawn. While that means that precious little music will be off-topic, maybe the discussion about music and art can stay on topic if everyone unclamps their sphinctres a few clicks. kent williams -- kent@avalon.net http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=chaircrusher -- mix --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-08-13 01:26EggyToastheh, when you split things into 100 different categories, it no longer is a thing; it's si
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heh, when you split things into 100 different categories, it no longer is a thing; it's simply a collection of those individual parts. if we all thought of spleens and livers and pancreases as different autonomous parts then we'd be all like something else. besides, splitting things into subcategories is where you end up with things like "grindcore" anyways (heh) point being that "idm"s problem with categorization is that everyone who worries about it is trying to peg a definition on idm. and that's basically the antithesis of idm. idm is sort of the 'everything else' category. it's not trip hop, it's not electronica, it's not even braindance. but it's all those things. it's sort of the "everything else that has electronics" category. -derek
quoted 1 line I think perhaps the problem with the name IDM for the genre is misleading>I think perhaps the problem with the name IDM for the genre is misleading
especially >when I can listen to something completely opposite in style and still appreciate it just as >much "in my head"... for example grindcore... fast technical metal isnt something that >most people call intelligent, but there are many bands that I think rip that I can >"braindance" just as well as to some clicks or pops. Point being, idm could be more of >an all-encompassing genre, rather than a nebulous and ambiguous definition of a style. >IDM should be split in at least 100 categories but I dont think anyone would wanna take >the time to subcategorize it -- it moves too damn fast anyway. (I like that tho.)
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2000-08-14 16:00ianHey Kent, why dont you unclamp your sphincter a couple clicks, whatever the hell thats sup
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Hey Kent, why dont you unclamp your sphincter a couple clicks, whatever the hell thats supposed to mean. Everyone corresponding to the aforementioned topic was not only discussing IDM as a genre of sorts, (which to me it IS, so it is), but trying to expound on that. I'm glad you have some artists that you like, we all do too, so lets talk about them and not try to be overly pretentious. Bye. ian(delphi) ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Kent williams <kent@avalon.net> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:41:33 -0500 (CDT)
quoted 25 lines IDM is a mailing list, not a musical genre. If I keep repeating it, maybe>IDM is a mailing list, not a musical genre. If I keep repeating it, maybe >people will stop stressing on it as a tag. > >The whole idea of this list I hope is to discuss music that is primarily >(though not exclusively) electronic, that bears repeated listening because >it's actually art -- an idiosyncratic expression of the artist. > >That for me encompasses Steve Reich, Black Dog, Mad Professor, Amon Tobin, >Jeff Mills, My Bloody Valentine, Edgar Varese, Thomas Brinkmann, and on >and on til the break of dawn. > >While that means that precious little music will be off-topic, maybe the >discussion about music and art can stay on topic if everyone unclamps their >sphinctres a few clicks. > >kent williams -- kent@avalon.net >http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes >http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=chaircrusher -- mix > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > ></font>
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2000-08-14 20:30Jamie Osborne8/14/00 yo. Is this discussion archived? If not, would someone forward me messages from th
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8/14/00 yo. Is this discussion archived? If not, would someone forward me messages from this thread between 8/11/00 3:53 and 8/14/00 11:07? If so, where would I find those messages? ... our email server was down over the weekend. Thanks. J --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-08-14 20:00Jacob ArnoldI think Kent's point was meant to be anti-pretentious. The post he was replying to claimed
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I think Kent's point was meant to be anti-pretentious. The post he was replying to claimed a certain artist wasn't IDM (I'm afraid I don't have the original in front of me at the moment). Most people would assume that means we can't talk about that artist. Kent's saying let's not use the term IDM to just cover music with Autechresque beats. Why not discuss avant-garde classical music, dub, and hip hop? Don't say things like "Reich's not quite IDM." You'll be discouraging people from talking about him. I don't know about the whole sphincter business though :-)
quoted 4 lines Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:00:23 -0500>Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:00:23 -0500 >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >From: "ian" <ian@webice.net> >Subject: Re: [idm] the title 'IDM' (formerly 'hip hop
and idm')
quoted 13 lines Message-Id: <200008141100.AA807469204@webice.net>>Message-Id: <200008141100.AA807469204@webice.net> > >Hey Kent, why dont you unclamp your sphincter a >couple clicks, whatever the hell thats supposed to >mean. Everyone corresponding to the aforementioned >topic was not only discussing IDM as a genre of >sorts, (which to me it IS, so it is), but trying to >expound on that. I'm glad you have some artists that >you like, we all do too, so lets talk about them and >not try to be overly pretentious. >Bye. > >ian(delphi)
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