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2001-05-04 23:53Michael UptonNo, I'm not being facetious. I'm just getting increasingly curious as to whether there's a

From:: Michael Upton <jetjag@paradise.net.nz>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sat, 05 May 2001 11:53:25 +1200
Subject:: [idm] Anyone else on here not like "IDM"?

No, I'm not being facetious. I'm just getting increasingly curious as to whether there's anyone else out there who no longer listens to eg. Autechre, Aphex Twin, thinks labels like MAS and Skam are boring, doesn't like all these post-Aphex distorted drum machine sounds, disjointed rhythms, etc. etc... I stay on the list because there is enough discussion of acts I do like which I would never find elsewhere. I guess these are some of the things I enjoy reading about: Chain Reaction style minimal stuff (eg. Vlad. Delay, old Porter Ricks, the new Andreas Tilliander LP), "neu-Kraut" and the A-Musik related stuff (eg. To Rococo Rot, Tarwater, MoM, Vert, C-Schulz & Hajsh), some Detroit sounds (eg. Shake, Carl Craig) and yes this weirdo house business (eg. Herbert, recent Matmos, some Force Tracks 12s) ... I guess I find some good hip-hop tips on here as well. So, yeah, I'm just wondering whether anyone else is in a similar boat? No need to reply to the whole list, certainly no need to make a "these are all IDM"/"there aren't IDM at all, what are you doing here??" thread. :-) Mind you, with all this said, when I received my copies of that Surgery Records comp 'Initial Release' I found I really enjoyed the vast majority of tracks. They're pretty damn downbeat though... I guess I'm a sucker for the far softer end of the spectrum... or if I want rowdy I listen to rock. Thinking out loud... Michael np. mp3.com/loscil --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-05-05 09:27j dif a song is good, doesnt matter what style it is. if its been done before, it just means

From:: j d <oberheim_thief@yahoo.co.uk>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sat, 5 May 2001 02:27:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Anyone else on here not like "IDM"?
Reply to:: [idm] Anyone else on here not like "IDM"?

if a song is good, doesnt matter what style it is. if its been done before, it just means its gotta be done better to catch my attention. i dont stop listening to anything. i just listen to more variety. anyway, how can you call skam boring? at least they arent trying to pander to a market. it baffles me that a tune can "become" boring. sounds to me like you just overplayed it. vary your diet! --- Michael Upton <jetjag@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

quoted 50 lines No, I'm not being facetious. I'm just getting

> No, I'm not being facetious. I'm just getting > increasingly curious as to > whether there's anyone else out there who no longer > listens to eg. > Autechre, Aphex Twin, thinks labels like MAS and > Skam are boring, doesn't > like all these post-Aphex distorted drum machine > sounds, disjointed > rhythms, etc. etc... > > I stay on the list because there is enough > discussion of acts I do like > which I would never find elsewhere. I guess these > are some of the things I > enjoy reading about: Chain Reaction style minimal > stuff (eg. Vlad. Delay, > old Porter Ricks, the new Andreas Tilliander LP), > "neu-Kraut" and the > A-Musik related stuff (eg. To Rococo Rot, Tarwater, > MoM, Vert, C-Schulz & > Hajsh), some Detroit sounds (eg. Shake, Carl Craig) > and yes this weirdo > house business (eg. Herbert, recent Matmos, some > Force Tracks 12s) ... I > guess I find some good hip-hop tips on here as well. > > So, yeah, I'm just wondering whether anyone else is > in a similar boat? No > need to reply to the whole list, certainly no need > to make a "these are all > IDM"/"there aren't IDM at all, what are you doing > here??" thread. :-) > > Mind you, with all this said, when I received my > copies of that Surgery > Records comp 'Initial Release' I found I really > enjoyed the vast majority > of tracks. They're pretty damn downbeat though... I > guess I'm a sucker for > the far softer end of the spectrum... or if I want > rowdy I listen to rock. > > Thinking out loud... > > Michael > > np. mp3.com/loscil > > >

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2001-05-05 15:36thomas shrubsole--- Michael Upton <jetjag@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > No, I'm not being facetious. I'm just

From:: thomas shrubsole <ageispolis0000@yahoo.co.uk>
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Date:: Sat, 5 May 2001 16:36:04 +0100 (BST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Anyone else on here not like "IDM"?: YES
Reply to:: [idm] Anyone else on here not like "IDM"?

--- Michael Upton <jetjag@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > No, I'm not being facetious. I'm just getting

quoted 32 lines increasingly curious as to

> increasingly curious as to > whether there's anyone else out there who no longer > listens to eg. > Autechre, Aphex Twin, thinks labels like MAS and > Skam are boring, doesn't > like all these post-Aphex distorted drum machine > sounds, disjointed > rhythms, etc. etc... > > I stay on the list because there is enough > discussion of acts I do like > which I would never find elsewhere. I guess these > are some of the things I > enjoy reading about: Chain Reaction style minimal > stuff (eg. Vlad. Delay, > old Porter Ricks, the new Andreas Tilliander LP), > "neu-Kraut" and the > A-Musik related stuff (eg. To Rococo Rot, Tarwater, > MoM, Vert, C-Schulz & > Hajsh), some Detroit sounds (eg. Shake, Carl Craig) > and yes this weirdo > house business (eg. Herbert, recent Matmos, some > Force Tracks 12s) ... I > guess I find some good hip-hop tips on here as well. > > So, yeah, I'm just wondering whether anyone else is > in a similar boat? No > need to reply to the whole list, certainly no need > to make a "these are all > IDM"/"there aren't IDM at all, what are you doing > here??" thread. :-) >

huzzah! i am glad someone has said this. yes the damned sparlkly synth washes and quirky distorted laptop arsing around rhythms are getting VERY hackneyed.i get very annoyed by the rent-a-kook laptop chimps. and yes CR and related excursions into deep electronics is v v good. -thomas ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-05-05 22:56erik pearsonSome recent newsmagazineshow (forget which) offered the opinion that consumers have had th

From:: erik pearson <efric@hotmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sat, 05 May 2001 22:56:26 -0000
Subject:: Re: [idm] Anyone else on here not like "IDM"?

Some recent newsmagazineshow (forget which) offered the opinion that consumers have had their "fill" of new technologies (yes, they used a dinner metaphor). Maybe the same dissemination of DSP-technology is affecting with what we listen and respond to... I think that after all the hype around new production software that is powerful/scalable (MAX, Reaktor, etc.), these tools end up with a specific, identifiable sound because they do a certain, limited number of things quickly and easily. And that's what the majority of producers use them for. Kind of like when hardware samplers first became afforable... in theory they are chamelons but in retrospect, early sampler-based work used a ton of pitch-shifting, reversing, looping, whatever because it was new and easy. In the end, you could easily pick out that a track that used a sampler. Could simply be your tired of hearing the quick and easy application of technology. If so, is cool... me too. :) Maybe all likeminded individuals should start an IDM-recovery list. erik statemusic (a lurker by nature)

quoted 40 lines From: Michael Upton <jetjag@paradise.net.nz>

>From: Michael Upton <jetjag@paradise.net.nz> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] Anyone else on here not like "IDM"? >Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 11:53:25 +1200 > >No, I'm not being facetious. I'm just getting increasingly curious as to >whether there's anyone else out there who no longer listens to eg. >Autechre, Aphex Twin, thinks labels like MAS and Skam are boring, doesn't >like all these post-Aphex distorted drum machine sounds, disjointed >rhythms, etc. etc... > >I stay on the list because there is enough discussion of acts I do like >which I would never find elsewhere. I guess these are some of the things I >enjoy reading about: Chain Reaction style minimal stuff (eg. Vlad. Delay, >old Porter Ricks, the new Andreas Tilliander LP), "neu-Kraut" and the >A-Musik related stuff (eg. To Rococo Rot, Tarwater, MoM, Vert, C-Schulz & >Hajsh), some Detroit sounds (eg. Shake, Carl Craig) and yes this weirdo >house business (eg. Herbert, recent Matmos, some Force Tracks 12s) ... I >guess I find some good hip-hop tips on here as well. > >So, yeah, I'm just wondering whether anyone else is in a similar boat? No >need to reply to the whole list, certainly no need to make a "these are all >IDM"/"there aren't IDM at all, what are you doing here??" thread. :-) > >Mind you, with all this said, when I received my copies of that Surgery >Records comp 'Initial Release' I found I really enjoyed the vast majority >of tracks. They're pretty damn downbeat though... I guess I'm a sucker for >the far softer end of the spectrum... or if I want rowdy I listen to rock. > >Thinking out loud... > >Michael > >np. mp3.com/loscil > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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2001-05-06 10:49The ChisaI've said it before, and I'll say it again: IDM is gimmicky and therefore doomed. I'll tak

From:: The Chisa <matt@holland.deathhouse.net>
To:: erik pearson <efric@hotmail.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sun, 6 May 2001 06:49:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Anyone else on here not like "IDM"?
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Anyone else on here not like "IDM"?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: IDM is gimmicky and therefore doomed. I'll take Gorecki over Global Communication any day of the week. m@2zo www.thechisa.com "Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of the shadow of death!'" -- Mr. T On Sat, 5 May 2001, erik pearson wrote:

quoted 74 lines Some recent newsmagazineshow (forget which) offered the opinion that

> Some recent newsmagazineshow (forget which) offered the opinion that > consumers have had their "fill" of new technologies (yes, they used a dinner > metaphor). Maybe the same dissemination of DSP-technology is affecting with > what we listen and respond to... > > I think that after all the hype around new production software that is > powerful/scalable (MAX, Reaktor, etc.), these tools end up with a specific, > identifiable sound because they do a certain, limited number of things > quickly and easily. And that's what the majority of producers use them for. > Kind of like when hardware samplers first became afforable... in theory they > are chamelons but in retrospect, early sampler-based work used a ton of > pitch-shifting, reversing, looping, whatever because it was new and easy. In > the end, you could easily pick out that a track that used a sampler. > > Could simply be your tired of hearing the quick and easy application of > technology. If so, is cool... me too. :) > > Maybe all likeminded individuals should start an IDM-recovery list. > > erik > statemusic > > (a lurker by nature) > > > >From: Michael Upton <jetjag@paradise.net.nz> > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [idm] Anyone else on here not like "IDM"? > >Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 11:53:25 +1200 > > > >No, I'm not being facetious. I'm just getting increasingly curious as to > >whether there's anyone else out there who no longer listens to eg. > >Autechre, Aphex Twin, thinks labels like MAS and Skam are boring, doesn't > >like all these post-Aphex distorted drum machine sounds, disjointed > >rhythms, etc. etc... > > > >I stay on the list because there is enough discussion of acts I do like > >which I would never find elsewhere. I guess these are some of the things I > >enjoy reading about: Chain Reaction style minimal stuff (eg. Vlad. Delay, > >old Porter Ricks, the new Andreas Tilliander LP), "neu-Kraut" and the > >A-Musik related stuff (eg. To Rococo Rot, Tarwater, MoM, Vert, C-Schulz & > >Hajsh), some Detroit sounds (eg. Shake, Carl Craig) and yes this weirdo > >house business (eg. Herbert, recent Matmos, some Force Tracks 12s) ... I > >guess I find some good hip-hop tips on here as well. > > > >So, yeah, I'm just wondering whether anyone else is in a similar boat? No > >need to reply to the whole list, certainly no need to make a "these are all > >IDM"/"there aren't IDM at all, what are you doing here??" thread. :-) > > > >Mind you, with all this said, when I received my copies of that Surgery > >Records comp 'Initial Release' I found I really enjoyed the vast majority > >of tracks. They're pretty damn downbeat though... I guess I'm a sucker for > >the far softer end of the spectrum... or if I want rowdy I listen to rock. > > > >Thinking out loud... > > > >Michael > > > >np. mp3.com/loscil > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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2001-05-06 15:42Doc FaustusEverything is gimmicky, time for my anti-depressants... Roy Lopez exchange variation is gi

From:: Doc Faustus <faust1318@hotmail.com>
To:: <matt@holland.deathhouse.net>, <efric@hotmail.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sun, 06 May 2001 15:42:13
Subject:: Re: [idm] Anyone else on here not like "IDM"?

Everything is gimmicky, time for my anti-depressants... Roy Lopez exchange variation is gimmicky, King's Indian is gimmicky, eventually... get a Django record, get Mr.Dibbs scratchin a Django record. Come back to it in a while. Listen to Dr. Laura, fuck... what's the final solution? Sonic Youth? I know, my secret recordings :) Time for Three Skeleton Key vs. Edward Scissorhands. Create somethin and keep it a secret, there is too much culture. Keep something for yourself. Create and Nurture, don't destroy...

quoted 122 lines From: The Chisa <matt@holland.deathhouse.net>

>From: The Chisa <matt@holland.deathhouse.net> >To: erik pearson <efric@hotmail.com> >CC: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Anyone else on here not like "IDM"? >Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 06:49:03 -0400 (EDT) > > >I've said it before, and I'll say it again: IDM is gimmicky and therefore >doomed. I'll take Gorecki over Global Communication any day of the week. > > >m@2zo >www.thechisa.com > > >"Like David said in the 23rd Psalm, 'Though I walk through the valley of >the shadow of death.' See, nobody say, 'Hey, man, let's go shoppin' in >the valley of the shadow of death! Let's go buy a condo in the valley of >the shadow of death!'" > >-- Mr. T > > >On Sat, 5 May 2001, erik pearson wrote: > > > Some recent newsmagazineshow (forget which) offered the opinion that > > consumers have had their "fill" of new technologies (yes, they used a >dinner > > metaphor). Maybe the same dissemination of DSP-technology is affecting >with > > what we listen and respond to... > > > > I think that after all the hype around new production software that is > > powerful/scalable (MAX, Reaktor, etc.), these tools end up with a >specific, > > identifiable sound because they do a certain, limited number of things > > quickly and easily. And that's what the majority of producers use them >for. > > Kind of like when hardware samplers first became afforable... in theory >they > > are chamelons but in retrospect, early sampler-based work used a ton of > > pitch-shifting, reversing, looping, whatever because it was new and >easy. In > > the end, you could easily pick out that a track that used a sampler. > > > > Could simply be your tired of hearing the quick and easy application of > > technology. If so, is cool... me too. :) > > > > Maybe all likeminded individuals should start an IDM-recovery list. > > > > erik > > statemusic > > > > (a lurker by nature) > > > > > > >From: Michael Upton <jetjag@paradise.net.nz> > > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > > >Subject: [idm] Anyone else on here not like "IDM"? > > >Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 11:53:25 +1200 > > > > > >No, I'm not being facetious. I'm just getting increasingly curious as >to > > >whether there's anyone else out there who no longer listens to eg. > > >Autechre, Aphex Twin, thinks labels like MAS and Skam are boring, >doesn't > > >like all these post-Aphex distorted drum machine sounds, disjointed > > >rhythms, etc. etc... > > > > > >I stay on the list because there is enough discussion of acts I do like > > >which I would never find elsewhere. I guess these are some of the >things I > > >enjoy reading about: Chain Reaction style minimal stuff (eg. Vlad. >Delay, > > >old Porter Ricks, the new Andreas Tilliander LP), "neu-Kraut" and the > > >A-Musik related stuff (eg. To Rococo Rot, Tarwater, MoM, Vert, C-Schulz >& > > >Hajsh), some Detroit sounds (eg. Shake, Carl Craig) and yes this weirdo > > >house business (eg. Herbert, recent Matmos, some Force Tracks 12s) ... >I > > >guess I find some good hip-hop tips on here as well. > > > > > >So, yeah, I'm just wondering whether anyone else is in a similar boat? >No > > >need to reply to the whole list, certainly no need to make a "these are >all > > >IDM"/"there aren't IDM at all, what are you doing here??" thread. :-) > > > > > >Mind you, with all this said, when I received my copies of that Surgery > > >Records comp 'Initial Release' I found I really enjoyed the vast >majority > > >of tracks. They're pretty damn downbeat though... I guess I'm a sucker >for > > >the far softer end of the spectrum... or if I want rowdy I listen to >rock. > > > > > >Thinking out loud... > > > > > >Michael > > > > > >np. mp3.com/loscil > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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