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2003-12-05 14:09Peter Becker[ No specific ambient or idm content, though it may interest some. Sorry for the crosspost

From:: Peter Becker <pbecker3@nyc.rr.com>
To:: Ambient List <ambient@hyperreal.org>, IDM list <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:09:44 -0500
Subject:: [idm] music on commercials

[ No specific ambient or idm content, though it may interest some. Sorry for the crosspost. ] Apologies if this has been brought up recently. I've been away for a while. From time to time on the music lists there are questions as to what song is on what commercial. Then the banter and bicker starts regarding selling out, copyright, royalties, who's no longer "cool", etc. I found this site which looks to me ( conspiracy mode on) like a pervasive attempt to blur the lines between commerce and art. It seems we're headed towards a newer more powerful marketing dynamic. Music sales driven by TV ads is certainly not a new phenomena. Its just this site seems so....deliberate? http://www.whatsthatcalled.com/ Peter np: Hakan Libdo- From Stockholm with Love --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-12-05 15:17Dan Brusca> I found this site which looks to me ( conspiracy mode on) like a pervasive > attempt to

From:: Dan Brusca <mail@affluxion.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:17:56 +0000
Subject:: Re: [idm] music on commercials
Reply to:: [idm] music on commercials

quoted 7 lines I found this site which looks to me ( conspiracy mode on) like a pervasive

> I found this site which looks to me ( conspiracy mode on) like a pervasive > attempt to blur the lines between commerce and art. It seems we're headed > towards a newer more powerful marketing dynamic. Music sales driven by TV > ads is certainly not a new phenomena. Its just this site seems > so....deliberate? > > http://www.whatsthatcalled.com/

Well, you might be concerned by this then: http://www.commercialbreaksandbeats.co.uk ;) -- Dan Brusca www.affluxion.com Independent electronic music radio --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-12-05 15:38chthonic streams>>I found this site which looks to me ( conspiracy mode on) like a pervasive >>attempt to

From:: chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:38:59 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] music on commercials
Reply to:: Re: [idm] music on commercials

quoted 5 lines I found this site which looks to me ( conspiracy mode on) like a pervasive

>>I found this site which looks to me ( conspiracy mode on) like a pervasive >>attempt to blur the lines between commerce and art. It seems we're headed >>towards a newer more powerful marketing dynamic. Music sales driven by TV >>ads is certainly not a new phenomena. Its just this site seems >>so....deliberate?

more deliberate than the vangelis album that was reissued with the sticker "includes WINE COMMERCIAL" ? d. -- http://www.chthonicstreams.com http://www.dreamintodust.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-12-05 15:39seeklektekFrom: "chthonic streams" > >>I found this site which looks to me ( conspiracy mode on) lik

From:: seeklektek <eclectics@comcast.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:39:19 -0800
Subject:: Re: [idm] music on commercials

From: "chthonic streams"

quoted 5 lines I found this site which looks to me ( conspiracy mode on) like a pervasive

> >>I found this site which looks to me ( conspiracy mode on) like a pervasive > >>attempt to blur the lines between commerce and art. It seems we're headed > >>towards a newer more powerful marketing dynamic. Music sales driven by TV > >>ads is certainly not a new phenomena. Its just this site seems > >>so....deliberate?

quoted 3 lines more deliberate than the vangelis album that was reissued with the sticker

> more deliberate than the vangelis album that was reissued with the sticker > "includes WINE COMMERCIAL" ? > d.

"Whine Commercial" Sleazy, anyone?: http://www.brainwashed.com/coil/music/hellraiser/ seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-12-05 15:59Glenn McClements>"Whine Commercial" >Sleazy, anyone?: > http://www.brainwashed.com/coil/music/hellraiser/

From:: Glenn McClements <glenn.mcclements@openwave.com>
To:: seeklektek <eclectics@comcast.net>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:59:08 +0000
Subject:: [idm] Surprsing Coil factoid of the day (was music on commercials)
Reply to:: Re: [idm] music on commercials

quoted 1 line "Whine Commercial"

>"Whine Commercial"

quoted 2 lines Sleazy, anyone?:

>Sleazy, anyone?: > http://www.brainwashed.com/coil/music/hellraiser/

Anyone know what adverts they did the music for? I couldn't find it on Brainwashed. What I did find there however was a list of the the videos Sleazy's made, some I knew about, some I didn't and some like Bjorn Again and Barry Gibb just can't be true.... It makes me wonder how the Hanson video shoot went >:) * Marc Almond - Waifs and Strays, Tainted Love '91, and Say Hello Wave Goodbye '91 * Asia - (track unknown) * Bjorn Again - A Little Respect * Jerry Cantrall - Cut You In * Crystal Method - (track unknown) * Erasure - Chains of Love, A Little Respect, Stop * The Firm - (track unknown) * Gavin Friday - (track unknown) * Front 242 - Rhythm of Time * Diamanda Galas - Double Barrel Prayer * Gemini - (unknown) * Barry Gibb - Now Voyager (long form made-for-television music film) * Hanson - I Will Come to You * Nona Hendrix - (track unknown) * K's Choice - Not an Addict (live version), Everything for Free * The Law - (track unknown) * Magnum - (track unknown) * Paul McCartney - Going Home (From Rio to Liverpool) * Ministry - N.W.O., Just One Fix * Nine Inch Nails - Pinion, Wish, Gave Up, Help Me I Am In Hell, and March of the Pigs, and all the little 'inbetween things' on the Closure collection * Robert Plant - Tall Cool One * Rage Against the Machine - Freedom, Killing in the Name Of, Bombtrack, Bulls on Parade, People of the Sun * Senser - Age of Panic * Sepultura - Refuse/Resist * Silverchair - Pure Massacre * Stabbing Westward - Lies * 10cc - unknown The The - Infected, The Mercy Beat * 3lb Thrill - Something Will Come * Van Halen - Don't Tell Me * Jah Wobble - Becoming More Like God * Yes - Owner of a Lonely Heart (debatable) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-01-21 00:27SokelAHi group Some weeks ago I was asking for swap and the people behind it. I found out that o

From:: SokelA <alekos.bibudis@s1998.tu-chemnitz.de>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:27:39 +0100
Subject:: [idm] swap = leekon + violatcen
Reply to:: [idm] Surprsing Coil factoid of the day (was music on commercials)

Hi group Some weeks ago I was asking for swap and the people behind it. I found out that one of them is now known as 'leekon'. But few years ago he was doing some livestuff and recording with a guy now called 'violatcen', together as swap. And violatcen now is working on new stuff being released in february-march this year. SokelA --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-12-05 16:26ersatz_noddythis is silliness, no? to reject commercial applications of any art form is to make the gr

From:: ersatz_noddy <noddy@ersatzdesign.com>
To:: seeklektek <eclectics@comcast.net>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 08:26:12 -0800
Subject:: Re: [idm] music on commercials
Reply to:: Re: [idm] music on commercials

this is silliness, no? to reject commercial applications of any art form is to make the grave assumption that media has no right to aesthetic concerns. the music industry, even those parts that cater to the most esoteric borders, run on revenue generated from commercial means, marketing, and demand. i don't mean to suggest that britney spears can be compared to autechre but their fundamental differences do not lie in a commercial/non-commercial dichotomy. yes, more creative license is given to artists on a label like skam than on any of the "Big Four" but in its most abstract sense, it is the same. you can't blur the line between commerce and art because commerce is art and art is commerce. m* p.s. what is most sad is that many of the largest marketing campaigns in the past decade have taken more chances in their inclusion of music than what the general population normally has access to on virtually every major radio station and their standard rotation. i would be delighted if i could walk into a safeway and hear nobukazu takemura pumped through the loudspeaker as i trot down the produce aisle. mmmm...yeah...

quoted 34 lines From: "seeklektek" <eclectics@comcast.net>

> From: "seeklektek" <eclectics@comcast.net> > Organization: self-organized > Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:39:19 -0800 > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Subject: Re: [idm] music on commercials > > From: "chthonic streams" > > > >>>> I found this site which looks to me ( conspiracy mode on) like a pervasive >>>> attempt to blur the lines between commerce and art. It seems we're headed >>>> towards a newer more powerful marketing dynamic. Music sales driven by TV >>>> ads is certainly not a new phenomena. Its just this site seems >>>> so....deliberate? > >> more deliberate than the vangelis album that was reissued with the sticker >> "includes WINE COMMERCIAL" ? >> d. > > > > "Whine Commercial" > > Sleazy, anyone?: > http://www.brainwashed.com/coil/music/hellraiser/ > > > seek > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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2003-12-05 16:51Muffin> p.s. what is most sad is that many of the largest marketing campaigns in the > past deca

From:: Muffin <muffin@signmytits.com>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:51:52 +0000
Subject:: Re: [idm] music on commercials
Reply to:: Re: [idm] music on commercials

quoted 6 lines p.s. what is most sad is that many of the largest marketing campaigns in the

> p.s. what is most sad is that many of the largest marketing campaigns in the > past decade have taken more chances in their inclusion of music than what > the general population normally has access to on virtually every major radio > station and their standard rotation. i would be delighted if i could walk > into a safeway and hear nobukazu takemura pumped through the loudspeaker as > i trot down the produce aisle. mmmm...yeah...

Amen. Advertisers have helped underground music break through to the mainstream, which has increased the influence and diversity of musical forms build. A chance which is not given by the music industry, because the motives of radio etc. are tied up in popularity, whereas a large amount of cool advertising is dependant on being different and unique. Hence things like Pole being used on a Levi's advert. Advertising as an industry is evil, but the so is music as an industry. If we were all free from the bonds of work and material objects and able to learn, create and share then we wouldn't need these industries... but that's whole other argument - not all humans are motivated to learn, create and share. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-12-05 16:56chthonic streams>this is silliness, no? to reject commercial applications of any art form is >to make the

From:: chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:56:24 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] music on commercials
Reply to:: Re: [idm] music on commercials

quoted 10 lines this is silliness, no? to reject commercial applications of any art form is

>this is silliness, no? to reject commercial applications of any art form is >to make the grave assumption that media has no right to aesthetic concerns. >the music industry, even those parts that cater to the most esoteric >borders, run on revenue generated from commercial means, marketing, and >demand. i don't mean to suggest that britney spears can be compared to >autechre but their fundamental differences do not lie in a >commercial/non-commercial dichotomy. yes, more creative license is given to >artists on a label like skam than on any of the "Big Four" but in its most >abstract sense, it is the same. you can't blur the line between commerce and >art because commerce is art and art is commerce.

bravo. well said. i can't say whether or not i would reject such an offer, i think it would depend on the commercial and the product. i mean, chris cunningham has done some cool spots, and i probably wouldn't turn down being the soundtrack to a commercial he directed. unless it was nike or something horrid like that.

quoted 3 lines p.s. what is most sad is that many of the largest marketing campaigns in the

station and their standard rotation. i hadn't thought of that. i think it may be true because marketing companies often employ young, hip, "cool finders". their job is to seek out the odd trends bubbling in the underground that might win over the cynical people who normally reject adverts, or shake things up for the mainstream people who've learned to tune out most commercials because they're exposed to so many of them. d. np: aphex twin 'drukqs' (no, i'm not going to type which song it is, all the titles are bs anyway) -- http://www.chthonicstreams.com http://www.dreamintodust.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-12-05 16:26Muffinon 5/12/03 3:39 pm the person going by the name seeklektek at eclectics@comcast.net spake

From:: Muffin <muffin@signmytits.com>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:26:49 +0000
Subject:: Re: [idm] music on commercials
Reply to:: Re: [idm] music on commercials

on 5/12/03 3:39 pm the person going by the name seeklektek at eclectics@comcast.net spake :

quoted 20 lines From: "chthonic streams"

> From: "chthonic streams" > > > >>>> I found this site which looks to me ( conspiracy mode on) like a pervasive >>>> attempt to blur the lines between commerce and art. It seems we're headed >>>> towards a newer more powerful marketing dynamic. Music sales driven by TV >>>> ads is certainly not a new phenomena. Its just this site seems >>>> so....deliberate? > >> more deliberate than the vangelis album that was reissued with the sticker >> "includes WINE COMMERCIAL" ? >> d. > > > > "Whine Commercial" > > Sleazy, anyone?: > http://www.brainwashed.com/coil/music/hellraiser/

Weird. I've not got my copies of that in front of me, but IIRC my copy of TUTFH on 10" hasn't got that tracklisting, and it's much more similar to the tracklisting given for the CD single. _muff._ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-12-05 16:17seeklektekFrom: "Glenn McClements" > >"Whine Commercial" > >Sleazy, anyone?: > > http://www.brainwas

From:: seeklektek <eclectics@comcast.net>
To:: Glenn McClements <glenn.mcclements@openwave.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:17:45 -0800
Subject:: [idm] Re: Surprsing Coil factoid of the day (was music on commercials)

From: "Glenn McClements"

quoted 3 lines "Whine Commercial"

> >"Whine Commercial" > >Sleazy, anyone?: > > http://www.brainwashed.com/coil/music/hellraiser/

quoted 1 line Anyone know what adverts they did the music for? I couldn't find it on Brainwashed.

> Anyone know what adverts they did the music for? I couldn't find it on Brainwashed.

Airline 1 Liqueur Purfume Video Recorder Airline 2 Natural Gas Cosmetic 1 Cosmetic 2 Analgesic Road Surface Accident Insurance Sleazy also worked with the Hipgnosis design group, on Pink Floyd covers, amongst others. He's a great eye. seek

quoted 1 line What I did find there however was a list of the the videos Sleazy's made, some I knew

> What I did find there however was a list of the the videos Sleazy's made, some I knew about, some

I didn't and some like Bjorn Again and Barry Gibb just can't be true.... It makes me wonder how the Hanson video shoot went >:)

quoted 36 lines * Marc Almond - Waifs and Strays, Tainted Love '91, and Say Hello

> * Marc Almond - Waifs and Strays, Tainted Love '91, and Say Hello > Wave Goodbye '91 > * Asia - (track unknown) > * Bjorn Again - A Little Respect > * Jerry Cantrall - Cut You In > * Crystal Method - (track unknown) > * Erasure - Chains of Love, A Little Respect, Stop > * The Firm - (track unknown) > * Gavin Friday - (track unknown) > * Front 242 - Rhythm of Time > * Diamanda Galas - Double Barrel Prayer > * Gemini - (unknown) > * Barry Gibb - Now Voyager (long form made-for-television music film) > * Hanson - I Will Come to You > * Nona Hendrix - (track unknown) > * K's Choice - Not an Addict (live version), Everything for Free > * The Law - (track unknown) > * Magnum - (track unknown) > * Paul McCartney - Going Home (From Rio to Liverpool) > * Ministry - N.W.O., Just One Fix > * Nine Inch Nails - Pinion, Wish, Gave Up, Help Me I Am In Hell, and > March of the Pigs, and all the little 'inbetween things' on the Closure > collection > * Robert Plant - Tall Cool One > * Rage Against the Machine - Freedom, Killing in the Name Of, > Bombtrack, Bulls on Parade, People of the Sun > * Senser - Age of Panic > * Sepultura - Refuse/Resist > * Silverchair - Pure Massacre > * Stabbing Westward - Lies > * 10cc - unknown > The The - Infected, The Mercy Beat > * 3lb Thrill - Something Will Come > * Van Halen - Don't Tell Me > * Jah Wobble - Becoming More Like God > * Yes - Owner of a Lonely Heart (debatable)

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2003-12-05 16:29Glenn McClementsYeah I know the track names but I was wondering about the actual products and if I've seen

From:: Glenn McClements <glenn.mcclements@openwave.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:29:13 +0000
Subject:: [idm] Re: Surprsing Coil factoid of the day (was music on commercials)
Reply to:: [idm] Re: Surprsing Coil factoid of the day (was music on commercials)

Yeah I know the track names but I was wondering about the actual products and if I've seen any of the adverts when I was a kid. Like is 'Liqueur' from those annoying 80's Tia Maria adverts? :-)

quoted 19 lines Anyone know what adverts they did the music for? I couldn't find it

>> Anyone know what adverts they did the music for? I couldn't find it >> on Brainwashed. > > > >Airline 1 >Liqueur >Purfume >Video Recorder >Airline 2 >Natural Gas >Cosmetic 1 >Cosmetic 2 >Analgesic >Road Surface >Accident Insurance > > >

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2003-12-05 16:54seeklektek----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn McClements" > Yeah I know the track names but I

From:: seeklektek <eclectics@comcast.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:54:46 -0800
Subject:: Re: [idm] Re: Surprsing Coil factoid of the day (was music on commercials)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn McClements"

quoted 3 lines Yeah I know the track names but I was wondering about the actual

> Yeah I know the track names but I was wondering about the actual > products and if I've seen any of the adverts when I was a kid. Like is > 'Liqueur' from those annoying 80's Tia Maria adverts? :-)

Oooops. =) I'll ask around and get back to you. =) seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-12-06 00:44Andrew Hime> Anyone know what adverts they did the music for? I couldn't find it on Brainwashed. > >

From:: Andrew Hime <hime@charter.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:44:55 -0600
Subject:: Re: [idm] Surprsing Coil factoid of the day (was music on commercials)

quoted 1 line Anyone know what adverts they did the music for? I couldn't find it on

> Anyone know what adverts they did the music for? I couldn't find it on

Brainwashed.

quoted 2 lines What I did find there however was a list of the the videos Sleazy's made,

> > What I did find there however was a list of the the videos Sleazy's made,

some I knew about, some I didn't and some like Bjorn Again and Barry Gibb just can't be true.... It makes me wonder how the Hanson video shoot went

quoted 2 lines :)

>:) >

If y'all're talking about Cristopherson or whatever his name is, I wanna say he also did the Sean "Horrible" Mullins followup video to that horrible song. And if you don't know, you are SO lucky. And you probably also never leave the house and go places where music is played in the background. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

[idm] Surprsing Coil factoid of the day (was music on commercials)