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Ewwwww Rob! ::::::Component Records::::::: Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 www.componentrecords.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent williams <kent@avalon.net> To: i'd do mary <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:59 PM Subject: [idm] Genesis P Orridge, where is he now?

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We've spotted him in Williamsburg Brooklyn and Kent isn't kidding, that's him. That particular photo is better than real life even. Adesh http://www.recordcamp.com/label Sky Tucker : Pressing Matters EP [Out Now!] Various Artists : Brooklyn Keeps on Takin' it [Out Now!] -----Original Message----- From: component [mailto:component@mindstorm.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:58 PM To: Kent williams; i'd do mary Subject: Re: [idm] Genesis P Orridge, where is he now? Ewwwww Rob! ::::::Component Records::::::: Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 www.componentrecords.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent williams <kent@avalon.net> To: i'd do mary <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:59 PM Subject: [idm] Genesis P Orridge, where is he now?

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On 5 Mar 2003 at 21:59, Kent williams wrote:

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MY SWEET HEAVEN !!!! Okay, that's enlightening ;-) I remember seeing Genesis P Orridge in the Modutions movie and then again in a *really* strange programme I sometimes catch by chance on TV but never know when the next installment is due. It's called Disinformation and it had an insert about a pretty 'in your face' performance artist - she had her labial lips sewn shut, etc etc (you get the general drift...) and Genesis P Orridge was somehow connected to her events or something... can't remember all the details, but he certainly is one interesting and unusual human being! I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I thought this was a gag. How do you know it's the same "guy"? I woulda followed up the gag with "probably shooting up heroin somewhere", but it all felt a little too real. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Record Camp" <lists@activaire.com> To: "'component'" <component@mindstorm.com> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:41 AM Subject: RE: [idm] Genesis P Orridge, where is he now?

quoted 55 lines We've spotted him in Williamsburg Brooklyn and Kent isn't kidding,

> We've spotted him in Williamsburg Brooklyn and Kent isn't kidding, > that's him. That particular photo is better than real life even. > > Adesh > http://www.recordcamp.com/label > Sky Tucker : Pressing Matters EP [Out Now!] > Various Artists : Brooklyn Keeps on Takin' it [Out Now!] > > -----Original Message----- > From: component [mailto:component@mindstorm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:58 PM > To: Kent williams; i'd do mary > Subject: Re: [idm] Genesis P Orridge, where is he now? > > > Ewwwww > > Rob! > ::::::Component Records::::::: > Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 > www.componentrecords.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent williams <kent@avalon.net> > To: i'd do mary <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:59 PM > Subject: [idm] Genesis P Orridge, where is he now? > > > > http://www.sternangel.com/sarah.html > > (not particularly work friendly, no nudity) > > > > Bottom pic 'Lady Sarah' is Gen. Seriously. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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The guy we met on the L train gave us his card and not only did he match photographic evidence but the card was for a person named "Genesis P Orridge". I believe that he has been banned from the UK because of obsenity or something like that. I've emailed him out of curiosity but have never received a response. I don't about his drug usage but he gets props for keeping it real, he's a cross dressing s/m loving ex-member of a legendary band and he ain't hiding it. Adesh http://www.recordcamp.com/label Sky Tucker : Pressing Matters EP [Out Now!] Various Artists : Brooklyn Keeps on Takin' it [Out Now!] -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hime [mailto:hime@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:52 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Genesis P Orridge, where is he now? I thought this was a gag. How do you know it's the same "guy"? I woulda followed up the gag with "probably shooting up heroin somewhere", but it all felt a little too real. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Record Camp" <lists@activaire.com> To: "'component'" <component@mindstorm.com> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:41 AM Subject: RE: [idm] Genesis P Orridge, where is he now?

quoted 56 lines We've spotted him in Williamsburg Brooklyn and Kent isn't kidding,

> We've spotted him in Williamsburg Brooklyn and Kent isn't kidding, > that's him. That particular photo is better than real life even. > > Adesh > http://www.recordcamp.com/label > Sky Tucker : Pressing Matters EP [Out Now!] > Various Artists : Brooklyn Keeps on Takin' it [Out Now!] > > -----Original Message----- > From: component [mailto:component@mindstorm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:58 PM > To: Kent williams; i'd do mary > Subject: Re: [idm] Genesis P Orridge, where is he now? > > > Ewwwww > > Rob! > ::::::Component Records::::::: > Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 > www.componentrecords.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent williams <kent@avalon.net> > To: i'd do mary <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:59 PM > Subject: [idm] Genesis P Orridge, where is he now? > > > > http://www.sternangel.com/sarah.html > > (not particularly work friendly, no nudity) > > > > Bottom pic 'Lady Sarah' is Gen. Seriously. > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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While i'm not much of a fan of his music, i was 1/2 the opening act for him last time he was in toronto with Thee Majesty and all I can say is he's a nice person. but not the type of person you expect to meet. ever. He's changed his appearance many times over the years. a friend of mine even stayed at his place in NYC, presumably in williamsburg as was previously mentioned. lalala la, what does this have to do with idm? i don't know, but Cristian Vogel's newish Dungeonmaster thing on Tresor is amazing....

quoted 9 lines The guy we met on the L train gave us his card and not only did he match

>The guy we met on the L train gave us his card and not only did he match >photographic evidence but the card was for a person named "Genesis P >Orridge". I believe that he has been banned from the UK because of >obsenity or something like that. I've emailed him out of curiosity but >have never received a response. > >I don't about his drug usage but he gets props for keeping it real, he's >a cross dressing s/m loving ex-member of a legendary band and he ain't >hiding it.

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OK: That *is* GPO. S/he began this transformation about 3-4 years ago, IIRC. This Domination escort biz bit ~is~ news to me, though. While on tour, in Tibet, his home in London was raided by Scotland Yard: they'd received information that he and the topy-cats were involved in satanic-ritualistic-abuse of underagers. Guess they'd seen some vids. Yeah: real 'cutting'-edge SRA. The bobbies confiscated his library, and declared he and Paula/Alaura 'wanted fugitives'. The two decided to not to return to the UK, given the conditions there. Why's move. They landed in Cali. Alaura split with Gen there and began topy-catting his catalog of riffs: visual-projections coupled with boring music and droll spoken-word mumbley-jumbo: ~pathetic~. Gen seemed a bit depressed by the way things had transperspired since leaving the UK on the tour from which he never returned. Some short time after Paula ditzed, er, ditched him, Gen's place burnt down: he barely escaped alive, and suffered injuries getting out of the fire. He soon-there-after ended up at Tim Leary's place, and was among the groovy-ghoulies who hung with Leery, er, Leary, awaiting the final 'trip'. Lots of nice, free dope there. Quite the psycho-delicatessen, evidently. After Leary dearly departed, GPO drifted: he performed with Pigface, and did some other shows with Bill Rieflin, IIRC. Sometime in late 99 or 2000, he put together a deal called Thee Majesty. Seemed like a swan song, in retrospect. He was ~dragging~ his tail by that time. Stuck in the middle, with ew: http://www.fopi.net/images/buttons/majesty.jpg Howl: thee might 'T' have fall in. =seek= np - October Love Song - Chris and Cosey! ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 4 lines I don't about his drug usage but he gets props for keeping it real, he's

> I don't about his drug usage but he gets props for keeping it real, he's > a cross dressing s/m loving ex-member of a legendary band and he ain't > hiding it. > Adesh

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Okay....seeing as there is so much misinformation circulating about GP-O here, why not go to www.genesisp-orridge.com and find out for yourselves :-)

I think one of the most interesting things about GP-O and the whole psychic tv thing is how the memes infiltrated mainstream culture - from lots of '23' references sneaking into mainstream cinema, to a lot of the commonly held ideas about dance culture. PTV and the temple of psychic youth (the countercultural youth tribe psychic tv started in the early 80's) seemed to have a lot to do with popularising and innovating the early acid house scene, as mentioned in Modulations. Disinformation has a very cool site at www.disinfo.com which has details on all the artists they screen, etc. -----Original Message----- From: Irene McC [mailto:substar@iafrica.com] MY SWEET HEAVEN !!!! Okay, that's enlightening ;-) I remember seeing Genesis P Orridge in the Modutions movie and then again in a *really* strange programme I sometimes catch by chance on TV but never know when the next installment is due. It's called Disinformation and it had an insert about a pretty 'in your face' performance artist - she had her labial lips sewn shut, etc etc (you get the general drift...) and Genesis P Orridge was somehow connected to her events or something... can't remember all the details, but he certainly is one interesting and unusual human being!

If you're in the UK, this month's Musik magazine has an Andy Weatherall interview with TG which includes a photo shoot of the band.

quoted 32 lines I think one of the most interesting things about GP-O and the whole psychic

>I think one of the most interesting things about GP-O and the whole psychic >tv thing is how the memes infiltrated mainstream culture - from lots of '23' >references sneaking into mainstream cinema, to a lot of the commonly held >ideas about dance culture. PTV and the temple of psychic youth (the >countercultural youth tribe psychic tv started in the early 80's) seemed to >have a lot to do with popularising and innovating the early acid house >scene, as mentioned in Modulations. > >Disinformation has a very cool site at www.disinfo.com which has details on >all the artists they screen, etc. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Irene McC [mailto:substar@iafrica.com] > > >MY SWEET HEAVEN !!!! > >Okay, that's enlightening ;-) > >I remember seeing Genesis P Orridge in the Modutions movie and then >again in a *really* strange programme I sometimes catch by chance on >TV but never know when the next installment is due. It's called >Disinformation and it had an insert about a pretty 'in your face' >performance artist - she had her labial lips sewn shut, etc etc (you >get the general drift...) and Genesis P Orridge was somehow connected >to her events or something... can't remember all the details, but he >certainly is one interesting and unusual human being! > > >

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On 6 Mar 2003 at 15:04, Aragorn wrote:

quoted 3 lines I think one of the most interesting things about GP-O and the whole

> I think one of the most interesting things about GP-O and the whole > psychic tv thing is how the memes infiltrated mainstream culture - > from lots of '23' references sneaking into mainstream cinema,

Yes ::: can you please further explain the '23' connection? I remember in that same Disinformation programme, seeing a brief flash of a cover of a comic book (I think?) titled "23 Things Fall Apart" - which, of course, is the title of the Digitonal release. Aaah! the plot thickens. But what does it all *mean* ??

quoted 2 lines Disinformation has a very cool site at www.disinfo.com which has

> Disinformation has a very cool site at www.disinfo.com which has > details on all the artists they screen, etc.

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quoted 6 lines Yes ::: can you please further explain the '23' connection?

> Yes ::: can you please further explain the '23' connection? > > I remember in that same Disinformation programme, seeing a brief > flash of a cover of a comic book (I think?) titled "23 Things Fall > Apart" - which, of course, is the title of the Digitonal release. > Aaah! the plot thickens. But what does it all *mean* ??

Isn't it from Robert Anton Wilson and "The Illuminatus! Trilogy" [also responsible for the Justified Ancients of Mu Mu and a lot of the KLF mythology]. The 23 thing is about 23 being the most commonly occurring number and some maths and numerology hocus pocus [ like http://afgen.com/num23.html ]... Of course this can be countered by the idea that once you look for a pattern your start seeing it. Kind of like Sir Francis Galton and his attempt at being paranoid... As someone said: "89% of statistics are made up on the spot" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Shame he never updates it. his new book "painful..." has some damn good articles in it.

quoted 8 lines From: Aragorn <aragorn@digerati.co.za>

>From: Aragorn <aragorn@digerati.co.za> >To: "'idm@hyperreal.org'" <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: RE: [idm] Genesis P Orridge, where is he now? >Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:16:34 +0200 > >Okay....seeing as there is so much misinformation circulating about GP-O >here, why not go to www.genesisp-orridge.com and find out for yourselves >:-)

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quoted 5 lines Gen seemed a bit depressed by the way things had transperspired since

>Gen seemed a bit depressed by the way things had transperspired since >leaving the UK on the tour from which he never returned. >Some short time after Paula ditzed, er, ditched him, Gen's >place burnt down: he barely escaped alive, and suffered injuries >getting out of the fire.

It wasn't Gen's place. The fire occurred at a studio owned by producer Rick Rubins. At the time, Gen was visiting the studio - he had been invited there by Love & Rockets, who were recording a new album. Gen was awarded 2 million dollars for his injuries. Here is a short article I found: GENESIS P. ORRIDGE BURNS RICK RUBIN You may remember that Love & Rockets narrowly escaped from a fire three years ago while recording an album at one of producer Rick Rubin's homes in California. Also present the day of the fire was Genesis P. Orridge, the founder and brain trust behind arty band Pyschic T.V.. P. Orridge was injured quite badly when he was forced to jump from a second storey window. He suffered a broken wrist, ribs and a shattered elbow in the fall, and was recently awarded $2 million U.S. in damages that presumably Rubin's insurance company will have to pay. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

The Robert Anton Wilson connection is from Discordianism, which he wrote about but did not invent. Discordians worship Eris, the goddess of discord. Discordians believe in the Law of Fives, which is that anything (with enough ingenuity) can be related to the number 5, or the number 23 (2+3=5). The saying goes that (with enough ingenuity :-) anything can be related to the number 5 (or 23). Here is a page about Discordianism, with a number of useful and interesting links: http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id342/pg1.html I myself am a Discordian Pope (and as such I should be properly addressed as "your excellency") - anybody can be a Discordian Pope. (The Black Dog have been known to go under the name "Discordian Popes" - another IDM link). William Burroughs described something called the "23 enigma". Possibly this is where the Discordians got it from, and this is the origin of it's use by Genesis P. Orridge and Psychic TV. I found a page here which describes it: http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id327/pg1/ Ross :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Muffin" <muffin@signmytits.com> To: "IDM" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [idm] Genesis P Orridge, where is he now?

quoted 12 lines Yes ::: can you please further explain the '23' connection?

> > Yes ::: can you please further explain the '23' connection? > > > > I remember in that same Disinformation programme, seeing a brief > > flash of a cover of a comic book (I think?) titled "23 Things Fall > > Apart" - which, of course, is the title of the Digitonal release. > > Aaah! the plot thickens. But what does it all *mean* ?? > > Isn't it from Robert Anton Wilson and "The Illuminatus! Trilogy" [also > responsible for the Justified Ancients of Mu Mu and a lot of the KLF > mythology]. The 23 thing is about 23 being the most commonly occurring > number and some maths and numerology hocus pocus [ like > http://afgen.com/num23.html ]... Of course this can be countered by the

idea

quoted 11 lines that once you look for a pattern your start seeing it. Kind of like Sir

> that once you look for a pattern your start seeing it. Kind of like Sir > Francis Galton and his attempt at being paranoid... > > As someone said: "89% of statistics are made up on the spot" > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Just to put the story straight on some of the misinfo flying around here, GPO did not have any influence on the acid house scene. He very publicly tried to jump the bandwagon a bit too late in the day and was extremely unsuccessful. He became seen as a charlatan and laughing stock as he went around giving interviews claiming to have single-handedly invented the scene. He released an atrocious fake 'acid house compilation' with made up bands, name of it escapes me but it had a union jack on the cover. Also I believe he is completely anti-drug so the jacking up in an alleyway fears are likely to be groundless. I gather thee temple ov psuckik yoof was not so much a 'countercultural youth tribe' as a mail order fan club. I knew a guy who joined but balked when he was supposed to send them a sample of semen drawn at dawn or somesuch. I think it all became a bit marilyn manson for the british. (Just to keep the Lady Sarah theme going, in case you missed it here's a classic one of kevin rowland from dexys midnight runners - http://www.oilzine.com/images/features/kevinrolandIndrag.jpg) -- ed http://www.noiseloop.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 02:33:45 -0000, info@noiseloop.com wrote:

quoted 3 lines Just to put the story straight on some of the misinfo flying

>Just to put the story straight on some of the misinfo flying >around here, GPO did not have any influence on the acid house >scene.

Not being any sort of expert on acid house, didn't it come around about '85-86? PTV were still singing pop songs about dead Stones at that point.

quoted 3 lines He released an atrocious fake 'acid house compilation' with

>He released an atrocious fake 'acid house compilation' with >made up bands, name of it escapes me but it had a union >jack on the cover.

"Jack the Tab"-- it had one really good song, imo, but it was a double-album...

quoted 2 lines Also I believe he is completely anti-drug so the jacking up in

>Also I believe he is completely anti-drug so the jacking up in >an alleyway fears are likely to be groundless.

I don't believe this to be true at all. I seem to remember seeing a large use of hallucinogens in PTV live videos (the "Black Video"?).

quoted 2 lines I gather thee temple ov psuckik yoof was not so much a

>I gather thee temple ov psuckik yoof was not so much a >'countercultural youth tribe' as a mail order fan club.

Depends on which TOPY group or troupe or whatever they called themselves you belonged to, really. I guess it was like the Crowleyan equivilant to being in the Church of the SubGenius. -- andrij. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 6 lines I gather thee temple ov psuckik yoof was not so much a

> >I gather thee temple ov psuckik yoof was not so much a > >'countercultural youth tribe' as a mail order fan club. > > Depends on which TOPY group or troupe or whatever they called > themselves you belonged to, really. I guess it was like the > Crowleyan equivilant to being in the Church of the SubGenius.

Yeah, not to mention there was that whole Psychick Warriors Ov Gaia thing and all, not PTV or Genesis, but obviously clued into the same wavelength. PWOG's first 12", Exit 23, I believe, came out in 89 or so -- very early "acid" house (depsite the lack of a 303). cheers w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 3 lines Yeah, not to mention there was that whole Psychick Warriors Ov

>Yeah, not to mention there was that whole Psychick Warriors Ov >Gaia thing and all, not PTV or Genesis, but obviously clued >into the same wavelength.

Haha, I remember when GPO sued PWOG for using thee[sic] Psychick Cross. -- andrij. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines (Just to keep the Lady Sarah theme going, in case you missed it here's a

> (Just to keep the Lady Sarah theme going, in case you missed it here's a > classic one of kevin rowland from dexys midnight runners - > http://www.oilzine.com/images/features/kevinrolandIndrag.jpg)

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October 1990 CMJ conference, Hotel Vista, WTC NYC: -Panel discussion w/ KRS-1 (probly something political, cant quite remember) -GPO, short grey hair and wearing a grey Priest's shirt/outfit, stands up from the audience during the middle of the panel discussion, and asks, "What I want to know is, how many of you have done acid?" man it was so weird. His remark was completely out of context. Acid house was on it's way down and the chinstrokers in the room kinda put their hands over their eyes, like "oh boy, please don't do this to yourself, buddy" such a sad first in-the-flesh GPO intro for me! But I still love that rekkid w/ the godstar song on it. Ill go back & jerk off now. Mully --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 4 lines Just to put the story straight on some of the misinfo flying around here,

> Just to put the story straight on some of the misinfo flying around here, > GPO did not have any influence on the acid house scene. He very publicly > tried to jump the bandwagon a bit too late in the day and was extremely > unsuccessful.

BULLSHIT on that! Time to seperate 'Signal' from 'Noiseloop'. Despite what else I may have offered in this thread, I *must* stand up for Gen here: PTV *more* than influenced the Acid House scene: they made *the* record that kicked off the scene: "To All The Young People", with the Superman label (which pissed off DC comics). Psychic TV were *very* much responsible for the start of Acid House in the UK *and* in the US. Gen was in the States on a tour, in Chicago, and asked a clerk in a shop there for the 'oddest' records that they'd in the shop. He was given 'Acid Tracks' by Marshall Jefferson and DJ Pierre (recording as Phuture). Upon return to England, he grafted the house beats with his 'hyperdelic' sound (the hyperdelic stuff is best displayed on Godstar, on which 'J'taime', mentioned on list in this discussion earlier, is the B-side: btw, the song 'J'taime' sucks big-time, bad-time, IMO. The record 'Turn On: to all the Young People' is seminal and should not be missed: the same can be said for 'Jack The Tab' and 'Tekno Acid Beat': get 'em if you ain't got 'em already.

quoted 4 lines He became seen as a charlatan and laughing stock as he went

> He became seen as a charlatan and laughing stock as he went > around giving interviews claiming to have single-handedly invented the > scene. He released an atrocious fake 'acid house compilation' with made up > bands, name of it escapes me but it had a union jack on the cover.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 'Jack The Tab', the record referred to above, was made by folks ~not ~in PTV, along with Gen and PTVers: Richard Norris (Grid, Soft Cell) had more to with the production of that record than did Gen. And Evil Eddie Richards was in on it, too, IIRC. It's a *fucking* great record!!! As is 'Tekno Acid Beat': *great* shit, man. Also I

quoted 2 lines believe he is completely anti-drug so the jacking up in an alleyway fears

> believe he is completely anti-drug so the jacking up in an alleyway fears > are likely to be groundless.

Anti-drug: HaHaHa!!!!! You "believe" but you do not *know*. Gen was ~totally~ down with the lysergics. 'Blue Pyramid' ;)

quoted 4 lines I gather thee temple ov psuckik yoof was not so

> I gather thee temple ov psuckik yoof was not so > much a 'countercultural youth tribe' as a mail order fan club. I knew a guy > who joined but balked when he was supposed to send them a sample of semen > drawn at dawn or somesuch.

What? He couldn't get 'it' up?????

quoted 2 lines I think it all became a bit marilyn manson for

> I think it all became a bit marilyn manson for > the british.

Irony???? Peter Christopherson directed Marilyn Manson videos. ;) TOPY had some very wonderful cool, Coyotes. And Kalis. Many of these folks at this 'time' (2003! ;)) are creating: music, sculpture, video, fiction, poetry, etc, so on, what-not. You know what: if one takes Gen *not* seriously, one has a better time with him and his 'body' ov work. Gen, I hope that you seek and find happiness. =seek= ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

From: "andrij"

quoted 3 lines Not being any sort of expert on acid house, didn't it come

> Not being any sort of expert on acid house, didn't it come > around about '85-86? PTV were still singing pop songs about > dead Stones at that point.

_________________________________________________ No: first Acid House record: Phuture -Acid Tracks (TRAX) 1987 Produced by Marshall Jefferson (drunk and fucking around with a 303; helped by DJ Pierre.)

quoted 2 lines "Jack the Tab"-- it had one really good song, imo, but it was a

> "Jack the Tab"-- it had one really good song, imo, but it was a > double-album...

_______________________________________________________________ No it wasn't: it was a single piece of vinyl. On Castalia Records (ACID 001) 1988. I have a copy right next me, right here, right now! ;) "Expanding the Frontiers of Space Technology" Meet Every Situation Head-on!!!!!!! Forward in all directions. ;) =seek= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 21:01:20 -0800, seeklektek wrote:

quoted 1 line No it wasn't: it was a single piece of vinyl.

>No it wasn't: it was a single piece of vinyl.

WAX127 is a 2LP/2CD -- andrij. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 21:24:23 -0800, seeklektek wrote:

quoted 3 lines And that is *not* the original issue: it is a compilation of

>And that is *not* the original issue: it is a compilation of >the album and assorted other tracks: it is not the album that >was released by PTV and Gen: it is a licensed deal.

Are you always this anal? =P -- andrij. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

just fyi more than anything, i lifted the title "23:thingsfallapart" from an issue of The Invisibles by Grant Morrison. if you're not familiar with The Invisibles - it was a truly amazing comic series written by the man above throughout the 90s which managed to draw from all of the stuff mentioned below without degenerating in to the typical x-files/pomo nonsense that typified 90's popular culture. totally recommended - it's amazing. the whole order/chaos thing fitted in quite nicely with where i'm coming from musically, hence the nod to Mr Morrison. cheers, andy.digitonal>: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Balmer" <ross@i2dm.co.uk> To: <idm@hyperreal.org>; <substar@iafrica.com> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [idm] Genesis P Orridge, where is he now?

quoted 2 lines The Robert Anton Wilson connection is from Discordianism, which he wrote

> The Robert Anton Wilson connection is from Discordianism, which he wrote > about but did not invent. Discordians worship Eris, the goddess of

discord.

quoted 1 line Discordians believe in the Law of Fives, which is that anything (with

> Discordians believe in the Law of Fives, which is that anything (with

enough

quoted 7 lines ingenuity) can be related to the number 5, or the number 23 (2+3=5). The

> ingenuity) can be related to the number 5, or the number 23 (2+3=5). The > saying goes that (with enough ingenuity :-) anything can be related to the > number 5 (or 23). Here is a page about Discordianism, with a number of > useful and interesting links: > http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id342/pg1.html > > I myself am a Discordian Pope (and as such I should be properly addressed

as

quoted 4 lines "your excellency") - anybody can be a Discordian Pope. (The Black Dog have

> "your excellency") - anybody can be a Discordian Pope. (The Black Dog have > been known to go under the name "Discordian Popes" - another IDM link). > > William Burroughs described something called the "23 enigma". Possibly

this

quoted 1 line is where the Discordians got it from, and this is the origin of it's use

> is where the Discordians got it from, and this is the origin of it's use

by

quoted 46 lines Genesis P. Orridge and Psychic TV. I found a page here which describes it:

> Genesis P. Orridge and Psychic TV. I found a page here which describes it: > http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id327/pg1/ > > Ross :-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Muffin" <muffin@signmytits.com> > To: "IDM" <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:50 AM > Subject: Re: [idm] Genesis P Orridge, where is he now? > > > > > Yes ::: can you please further explain the '23' connection? > > > > > > I remember in that same Disinformation programme, seeing a brief > > > flash of a cover of a comic book (I think?) titled "23 Things Fall > > > Apart" - which, of course, is the title of the Digitonal release. > > > Aaah! the plot thickens. But what does it all *mean* ?? > > > > Isn't it from Robert Anton Wilson and "The Illuminatus! Trilogy" [also > > responsible for the Justified Ancients of Mu Mu and a lot of the KLF > > mythology]. The 23 thing is about 23 being the most commonly occurring > > number and some maths and numerology hocus pocus [ like > > http://afgen.com/num23.html ]... Of course this can be countered by the > idea > > that once you look for a pattern your start seeing it. Kind of like Sir > > Francis Galton and his attempt at being paranoid... > > > > As someone said: "89% of statistics are made up on the spot" > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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