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2003-01-14 04:52Chispas De Muerte [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
└─ 2003-01-14 07:40Eric Sorenson Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
├─ 2003-01-14 07:44dave_dunstan Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
└─ 2003-01-14 09:39Ryan Verner Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
└─ 2003-01-19 16:54urb Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
├─ 2003-01-19 16:57Ryan Verner Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
└─ 2003-01-19 16:58EggyToast Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
2003-01-14 20:34Mark Fleschler Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
└─ 2003-01-14 20:54EggyToast Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
2003-01-15 12:47Keith Duncan Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
2003-01-15 19:15Sean Portnoy Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
└─ 2003-01-15 19:39EggyToast Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
2003-01-15 19:41Peter Heide Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
└─ 2003-01-15 19:48EggyToast Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
2003-01-15 21:04inky Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
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2003-01-15 22:10Peter Heide Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
└─ 2003-01-15 22:13Brett Dietsch Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
└─ 2003-01-15 23:53The REAL Mxyzptlk Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
└─ 2003-01-16 00:48Brett Dietsch Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
├─ 2003-01-16 01:35kingfool RE: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
└─ 2003-01-16 03:45The REAL Mxyzptlk Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
2003-01-16 01:06Peter Heide Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
2003-01-16 10:58The REAL Mxyzptlk Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
└─ 2003-01-16 10:20Magnus Karlsson RE: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
2003-01-19 17:42seeklektek Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
2003-01-19 17:51Andrew Hime II - Andrew Hime's Revenge, Esquire Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
2003-01-19 18:51Peter Heide Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
2003-01-20 22:03Chispas De Muerte [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
└─ 2003-01-20 22:22EggyToast Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
└─ 2003-01-21 00:27Chispas De Muerte Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
└─ 2003-01-21 01:57EggyToast Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
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2003-01-21 06:58Eric [idm] Re: AE draft 7.30 promo
└─ 2003-01-22 04:51Chispas De Muerte Re: [idm] Re: AE draft 7.30 promo
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2003-01-21 12:05Peter Heide Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
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2003-01-14 04:52Chispas De MuerteJust downloaded the first track off this, quite an interesting suprise. Xylin Room sounds
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Just downloaded the first track off this, quite an interesting suprise. Xylin Room sounds better to me than most of the last four years for them. Anyone heard the rest of this, is it all like this? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-14 07:40Eric SorensonOn Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Chispas De Muerte wrote: > Just downloaded the first track off this,
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On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Chispas De Muerte wrote:
quoted 4 lines Just downloaded the first track off this, quite an> Just downloaded the first track off this, quite an > interesting suprise. Xylin Room sounds better to me > than most of the last four years for them. Anyone > heard the rest of this, is it all like this?
Having gotten the rest of this its pretty clearly fake, assuming you got the same thing I did .. filesizes in the left column 3785 01 - xylin room.mp3 --> steve reich (?) or a knockoff 7233 02 - iv vv iv vv vii.mp3 --> cant place this one 1768 03 - 6ie.or.mp3 --> some goofy vocoder shit 2803 04 - tapr.mp3 --> "you got the game wrong" mashup 6471 05 - surripere.mp3 --> Newcleus "na na beat" 3737 06 - theme of sudden roundabout.mp3 --> michael jackson "PYT" 2389 07 - vl al.mp3 --> jerky boys?? some phony phone call 4917 08 - p ntil.mp3 --> ska remix? mephiskafeles maybe 2472 09 - v-proc.mp3 --> another hiphop mashup 4503 10 - reninform puls.mp3 --> lost interest So there's at least one fake floating around... Fortunately I have a T1 and didnt waste much time with this. Next up, tracks labelled "4 track promo".. but I cant imagine why they'd be track numbers 1,3,5, and 6. There's be such goofy presets sprinkled throughout "6ie.cr" and "surripere" 4022 01 - xylin room.mp3 5592 03 - 6ie.cr.mp3 7586 05 - surripere.mp3 10847 06 - theme of sudden roundabout.mp3 Make that two fakes. This is your debunking squad signing off for the evening... -- Eric Sorenson - EXPLOSIVE Networking - http://explosive.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-14 07:44dave_dunstanDue to the insanely high density of bizarre file names and crazy arcane IDM-list type shit
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Due to the insanely high density of bizarre file names and crazy arcane IDM-list type shit - would someone clue me in? Enquiring minds want to know. dave On 1/13/03 11:40 PM, "Eric Sorenson" <eric@explosive.net> wrote:
quoted 35 lines On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Chispas De Muerte wrote:> On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Chispas De Muerte wrote: > >> Just downloaded the first track off this, quite an >> interesting suprise. Xylin Room sounds better to me >> than most of the last four years for them. Anyone >> heard the rest of this, is it all like this? > > Having gotten the rest of this its pretty clearly fake, assuming > you got the same thing I did .. filesizes in the left column > > 3785 01 - xylin room.mp3 --> steve reich (?) or a knockoff > 7233 02 - iv vv iv vv vii.mp3 --> cant place this one > 1768 03 - 6ie.or.mp3 --> some goofy vocoder shit > 2803 04 - tapr.mp3 --> "you got the game wrong" mashup > 6471 05 - surripere.mp3 --> Newcleus "na na beat" > 3737 06 - theme of sudden roundabout.mp3 --> michael jackson "PYT" > 2389 07 - vl al.mp3 --> jerky boys?? some phony phone call > 4917 08 - p ntil.mp3 --> ska remix? mephiskafeles maybe > 2472 09 - v-proc.mp3 --> another hiphop mashup > 4503 10 - reninform puls.mp3 --> lost interest > > So there's at least one fake floating around... Fortunately I have a T1 > and didnt waste much time with this. > > Next up, tracks labelled "4 track promo".. but I cant imagine why > they'd be track numbers 1,3,5, and 6. There's be such goofy presets > sprinkled throughout "6ie.cr" and "surripere" > > 4022 01 - xylin room.mp3 > 5592 03 - 6ie.cr.mp3 > 7586 05 - surripere.mp3 > 10847 06 - theme of sudden roundabout.mp3 > > Make that two fakes. This is your debunking squad signing off for > the evening...
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2003-01-14 09:39Ryan Verner-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:40:52 -0800 (PST) Eri
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On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:40:52 -0800 (PST) Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> wrote:
quoted 11 lines Next up, tracks labelled "4 track promo".. but I cant imagine why> Next up, tracks labelled "4 track promo".. but I cant imagine why > they'd be track numbers 1,3,5, and 6. There's be such goofy presets > sprinkled throughout "6ie.cr" and "surripere" > > 4022 01 - xylin room.mp3 > 5592 03 - 6ie.cr.mp3 > 7586 05 - surripere.mp3 > 10847 06 - theme of sudden roundabout.mp3 > > Make that two fakes. This is your debunking squad signing off for > the evening...
Just downloaded this, along with these tracks is a "draft-info.txt". It contains: - -- pRom0 leAk pRom0 leAk pRom0 leAk pRom0 leAk pRom0 leAk pRom0 leAk pRom0 leAk pRom0 leAk 4 songs from autechre's most minimal and pop oriented release to date. following in the wake of confield, draft 7.30 further reveals autechre's exponentially accelerating reinvention and is sure to stir up an unprecedented level of controversy between their fans. commentary and leak courtesy of <<<KLF_MOB>>> greetz! <youknowwhoyouarewekowwhatyourupto> [about 4 pages of white space] boo! this aint autechre foo,,, but i got you to listen to my demo,, hah either you were like, this shit is bangin-godbless the internet for hooking me up- boy they sure are getting better,or you were like this aint fukin autechre they wouldn't do this kinda crap production, cuz they got da ill skillz,, well either way it was me. hope you liked my stuff. sorry if i ruined your day. please keep in mind that there are new emerging electronic artists(such as myself) who need your support more than autechre or any one else on a big label like warp. so if you thought this stuff was decent even if it obviously wasn't autechre,, keep your eyes peeled for us amatuers who are just trying to make ends meet, and help us out, if it wernt for us small guys you would be stuck with a stale scene in no time. sooner or later we get known. and the sooner you rock out to us instead of "mr.dsp" on that new trendy label that spoon feeds people "hip" the sooner that is. still, i can't wait to hear draft though.... peace - -- I can see how it'd fool most people though, does have that Autechre kind of sound to it. Xylin Room is definitely cool. R - -- Ryan Verner <xfesty@computeraddictions.com.au> PGP: 5819 DE5D B5AE 9381 7E60 5B4C 45CC 64DF D3CC EB07 MSN: dev.festy@start.com.au IRC: xf/irc.oublinet.net EQ: [46 Bard] Mummer Hummer (Human) PH: +61 418 186 604 (*) cynical: a word used by the frightened to describe the realistic. [PGP signature removed] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-19 16:54urb> boo! this aint autechre foo,,, but i got you to listen to my demo,, hah [snip] > > - --
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quoted 1 line boo! this aint autechre foo,,, but i got you to listen to my demo,, hah> boo! this aint autechre foo,,, but i got you to listen to my demo,, hah
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quoted 5 lines - --> > - -- > > I can see how it'd fool most people though, does have that Autechre kind of > sound to it. Xylin Room is definitely cool.
Xylin Room is cool, and it reminds me of something, can't figure out what though. Also the Theme of Sudden Roundabout is kinda cool. This is how I imagined Autechres new 'poppy' sound would be like. Surripere is too bouncy and goofy, while 6IE.CR reminds me a bit of somthing off Amber. All in all, a worthwhile download. Now, what puzzles me is that the guy who made this fake went to all this trouble, just to get noticed, but didn't identify himself (or herself). regards, urb --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-19 16:57Ryan VernerOn Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:54:08 +0100 urb <hansjorg-idm@orakel.ntnu.no> wrote: > All in all,
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On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:54:08 +0100 urb <hansjorg-idm@orakel.ntnu.no> wrote:
quoted 3 lines All in all, a worthwhile download. Now, what puzzles me is that the guy> All in all, a worthwhile download. Now, what puzzles me is that the guy > who made this fake went to all this trouble, just to get noticed, but > didn't identify himself (or herself).
Hahaha... I was thinking the same thing, probably so carried away with his little plan he forgot to mention who he was. Maybe he's on this list? ;-) Definitely interested in getting more stuff. R -- Ryan Verner <xfesty@computeraddictions.com.au> PGP: 5819 DE5D B5AE 9381 7E60 5B4C 45CC 64DF D3CC EB07 MSN: dev.festy@start.com.au IRC: xf/irc.oublinet.net EQ: [46 Bard] Mummer Hummer (Human) PH: +61 418 186 604 (*) cynical: a word used by the frightened to describe the realistic.
2003-01-19 16:58EggyToast>All in all, a worthwhile download. Now, what puzzles me is that the guy >who made this fa
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quoted 3 lines All in all, a worthwhile download. Now, what puzzles me is that the guy>All in all, a worthwhile download. Now, what puzzles me is that the guy >who made this fake went to all this trouble, just to get noticed, but >didn't identify himself (or herself).
If he's that desperate for attention, he's probably not the smartest ball o' twine. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- coming soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-14 20:34Mark FleschlerGood lord, it's barely 2003. This album comes out April 7th (pending the inevitable Warp p
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Good lord, it's barely 2003. This album comes out April 7th (pending the inevitable Warp pressing problems and subsequent delays). You shouldn't find a promo anywhere until MAYBE February. Confield wasn't leaked until maybe a month prior to release, and that would mean you'd be waiting until March! Patience, peoples. It's way to early to be searching for leaked promos. -Mark Ryan Verner wrote:
quoted 23 lines Hash: SHA1>>Hash: SHA1 > >On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:40:52 -0800 (PST) Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> >wrote: > > > >>Next up, tracks labelled "4 track promo".. but I cant imagine why >>they'd be track numbers 1,3,5, and 6. There's be such goofy presets >>sprinkled throughout "6ie.cr" and "surripere" >> >>4022 01 - xylin room.mp3 >>5592 03 - 6ie.cr.mp3 >>7586 05 - surripere.mp3 >>10847 06 - theme of sudden roundabout.mp3 >> >>Make that two fakes. This is your debunking squad signing off for >>the evening... >> >> > > >
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2003-01-14 20:54EggyToast>Good lord, it's barely 2003. This album comes out April 7th >(pending the inevitable Warp
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quoted 7 lines Good lord, it's barely 2003. This album comes out April 7th>Good lord, it's barely 2003. This album comes out April 7th >(pending the inevitable Warp pressing problems and subsequent >delays). You shouldn't find a promo anywhere until MAYBE February. >Confield wasn't leaked until maybe a month prior to release, and >that would mean you'd be waiting until March! Patience, peoples. >It's way to early to be searching for leaked promos. >
I figure I'll listen to all of that OTHER music coming out until I see it on PJ's list. It's a good system that works well for me :D derek -- eggytoast.com -------------- commerce soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-15 12:47Keith Duncanhee hee most of the unknown tracks on the album fake are by sd1138 or sg1138 or something
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hee hee most of the unknown tracks on the album fake are by sd1138 or sg1138 or something who's a slsk user dunno who did the 4track promo fake but i renamed them before listening to them to correspond with the actual album order. cheers0s kyf
quoted 9 lines On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Chispas De Muerte wrote:> On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Chispas De Muerte wrote: > > > Just downloaded the first track off this, quite an > > interesting suprise. Xylin Room sounds better to me > > than most of the last four years for them. Anyone > > heard the rest of this, is it all like this? > > Having gotten the rest of this its pretty clearly fake, assuming > you got the same thing I did ..
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2003-01-15 19:15Sean Portnoyi'm being told promos are being sent out on cassette to thwart rips/uploads. sean grooves
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i'm being told promos are being sent out on cassette to thwart rips/uploads. sean grooves magazine groovesmag.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-15 19:39EggyToast>i'm being told promos are being sent out on cassette >to thwart rips/uploads. And to prev
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quoted 2 lines i'm being told promos are being sent out on cassette>i'm being told promos are being sent out on cassette >to thwart rips/uploads.
And to prevent them from being played in the first place. I don't even own a tape playing device anymore :D derek -- eggytoast.com -------------- commerce soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-15 19:41Peter Heidetransfer the cassette to a cdr . it would be no problem to rip a cassette that way and the
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transfer the cassette to a cdr . it would be no problem to rip a cassette that way and then upload. ----- Oprindelig meddelelse ----- Fra: "Sean Portnoy" <grooves1200@yahoo.com> Til: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sendt: 15. januar 2003 20:15 Emne: Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
quoted 15 lines i'm being told promos are being sent out on cassette> i'm being told promos are being sent out on cassette > to thwart rips/uploads. > > sean > grooves magazine > groovesmag.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2003-01-15 19:48EggyToast>transfer the cassette to a cdr . it would be no problem >to rip a cassette that way and t
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quoted 2 lines transfer the cassette to a cdr . it would be no problem>transfer the cassette to a cdr . it would be no problem >to rip a cassette that way and then upload.
Yep. which is the exact problem why music will never be a truly un-copy-able medium. If you can play it back, you can record it :D Given the ruling handed down by the supreme court on copyright v. recently, looks like we're going to end up copying for the long haul.. *sigh* derek -- eggytoast.com -------------- commerce soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-15 21:04inkyyou really won't want to hear it, imagine starvin marvin mc'ing for 60mins. ----- Original
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you really won't want to hear it, imagine starvin marvin mc'ing for 60mins. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Heide" <peter@heide.1a.dk> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo transfer the cassette to a cdr . it would be no problem to rip a cassette that way and then upload. ----- Oprindelig meddelelse ----- Fra: "Sean Portnoy" <grooves1200@yahoo.com> Til: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sendt: 15. januar 2003 20:15 Emne: Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
quoted 15 lines i'm being told promos are being sent out on cassette> i'm being told promos are being sent out on cassette > to thwart rips/uploads. > > sean > grooves magazine > groovesmag.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2003-01-15 21:52Oneaphex@aol.comi read that some record companies are sending out promos in portable cd players glued shut
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i read that some record companies are sending out promos in portable cd players glued shut which the reviewers have to mail back after listening. and i guess most of them were mailed back. kaiser
2003-01-15 22:10Peter Heidei kiss idm list .......joke of the year :-) : > i read that some record companies are send
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i kiss idm list .......joke of the year :-) :
quoted 3 lines i read that some record companies are sending out promos in portable cd> i read that some record companies are sending out promos in portable cd > players glued shut which the reviewers have to mail back after listening. and > i guess most of them were mailed back.
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2003-01-15 22:13Brett DietschOn Wednesday, January 15, 2003, at 05:10 PM, Peter Heide wrote: > i kiss idm list .......j
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On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, at 05:10 PM, Peter Heide wrote:
quoted 1 line i kiss idm list .......joke of the year :-) :> i kiss idm list .......joke of the year :-) :
this isnt a joke, there was an article in time about it.
quoted 5 lines i read that some record companies are sending out promos in portable>> i read that some record companies are sending out promos in portable >> cd >> players glued shut which the reviewers have to mail back after >> listening. and >> i guess most of them were mailed back.
the headphones were also glued on. so you can either snip some wires and make it obvious that you've tampered with it, or leave it be. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-15 23:53The REAL Mxyzptlk> >>>i read that some record companies are sending out promos in portable cd >>>players gl
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quoted 8 lines i read that some record companies are sending out promos in portable cd> >>>i read that some record companies are sending out promos in portable cd >>>players glued shut which the reviewers have to mail back after >>>listening. and >>>i guess most of them were mailed back. > >the headphones were also glued on. so you can either snip some wires and >make it obvious that you've tampered with it, or leave it be.
Well, if you really wanted to get at it, couldn't you simply dissolve the glue and then glue it shut again afterwards? jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-16 00:48Brett DietschOn Wednesday, January 15, 2003, at 06:53 PM, The REAL Mxyzptlk wrote: > >> >>>> i read tha
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On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, at 06:53 PM, The REAL Mxyzptlk wrote:
quoted 13 lines i read that some record companies are sending out promos in> >> >>>> i read that some record companies are sending out promos in >>>> portable cd >>>> players glued shut which the reviewers have to mail back after >>>> listening. and >>>> i guess most of them were mailed back. >> >> the headphones were also glued on. so you can either snip some wires >> and make it obvious that you've tampered with it, or leave it be. > > Well, if you really wanted to get at it, couldn't you simply dissolve > the glue and then glue it shut again afterwards?
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2003-01-16 01:35kingfoolYou could always play it back to a microphone and record it. But of course with lower qual
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You could always play it back to a microphone and record it. But of course with lower quality as a result. -----Original Message----- From: Brett Dietsch [mailto:elph@lawngnome.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:49 PM To: The REAL Mxyzptlk Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, at 06:53 PM, The REAL Mxyzptlk wrote:
quoted 9 lines i read that some record companies are sending out promos in> >> >>>> i read that some record companies are sending out promos in >>>> portable cd >>>> players glued shut which the reviewers have to mail back after >>>> listening. and >>>> i guess most of them were mailed back. >> >> the headphones were also glued on. so you can either snip some wires
quoted 4 lines and make it obvious that you've tampered with it, or leave it be.>> and make it obvious that you've tampered with it, or leave it be. > > Well, if you really wanted to get at it, couldn't you simply dissolve > the glue and then glue it shut again afterwards?
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2003-01-16 03:45The REAL Mxyzptlk>>> >>>>>i read that some record companies are sending out promos in portable cd >>>>>play
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quoted 14 lines i read that some record companies are sending out promos in portable cd>>> >>>>>i read that some record companies are sending out promos in portable cd >>>>>players glued shut which the reviewers have to mail back after >>>>>listening. and >>>>>i guess most of them were mailed back. >>> >>>the headphones were also glued on. so you can either snip some wires >>>and make it obvious that you've tampered with it, or leave it be. >> >>Well, if you really wanted to get at it, couldn't you simply dissolve the >>glue and then glue it shut again afterwards? > >would you really want to send back an obviously tampered with device back >to a record company?
No, I wouldn't...which is why I said "if *you* really wanted to get at it". Besides, I'm not so sure that using something like acetone to dissolve superglue (assuming that's what it was) and then resealing it would be obvious. I would imagine that anyone wishing to get at it that badly would just keep the player. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-16 01:06Peter Heide> would you really want to send back an obviously tampered with device > back to a record
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quoted 2 lines would you really want to send back an obviously tampered with device> would you really want to send back an obviously tampered with device > back to a record company?
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2003-01-16 10:58The REAL MxyzptlkAt 08:55 PM 1/15/2003, anthony noviello wrote: >I'd keep the damn thing and sell it on Eba
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At 08:55 PM 1/15/2003, anthony noviello wrote:
quoted 3 lines I'd keep the damn thing and sell it on Ebay. Unless it had a time detonation>I'd keep the damn thing and sell it on Ebay. Unless it had a time detonation >device on it. Then I would just hurry up and dub it. >-
You'd most likely get suspended but could get off with a warning from ebay. Record companies keep a pretty good watch on ebay for people selling copies in advance of release dates. They then file complaints with ebay and it doesn't take ebay long to close the auction (and sometimes the seller) down. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-16 10:20Magnus KarlssonAnd look what just showed up... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2501317
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And look what just showed up... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2501317720&category=1600 MVH Magnus Karlsson <magnus@karlsson.com>
quoted 30 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: The REAL Mxyzptlk [mailto:therealmxyzptlk@comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:58 AM > To: anthony noviello > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo > > > At 08:55 PM 1/15/2003, anthony noviello wrote: > >I'd keep the damn thing and sell it on Ebay. Unless it had a > time detonation > >device on it. Then I would just hurry up and dub it. > >- > > You'd most likely get suspended but could get off with a warning > from ebay. > Record companies keep a pretty good watch on ebay for people > selling copies > in advance of release dates. They then file complaints with ebay and it > doesn't take ebay long to close the auction (and sometimes the > seller) down. > > jeff > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2003-01-19 17:42seeklektekFrom: "EggyToast" Subject: Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo > >All in all, a worthwhile downl
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quoted 3 lines All in all, a worthwhile download. Now, what puzzles me is that the guy> >All in all, a worthwhile download. Now, what puzzles me is that the guy > >who made this fake went to all this trouble, just to get noticed, but > >didn't identify himself (or herself).
quoted 2 lines If he's that desperate for attention,> If he's that desperate for attention, > he's probably not the smartest ball o' twine.
quoted 1 line derek> derek
Would that make him/her a Rope-a-Dope? ;) .o0O}cassiusclay{O0o. n.p.- Meteosound 003 Select Cuts --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-19 17:51Andrew Hime II - Andrew Hime's Revenge, Esquire> All in all, a worthwhile download. Now, what puzzles me is that the guy > who made this
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quoted 3 lines All in all, a worthwhile download. Now, what puzzles me is that the guy> All in all, a worthwhile download. Now, what puzzles me is that the guy > who made this fake went to all this trouble, just to get noticed, but > didn't identify himself (or herself).
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2003-01-19 18:51Peter Heideoh boy-o, was it really a fake ?? : ......................................................
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oh boy-o, was it really a fake ?? : ...................................................................... a 4 track promo warpmc111p (cassette) : 1 xylin room 2 gie.cr 3 surripere 4 theme of sudden roundabout ...................................................................... IF.....who made that music which made so much fun down in our local sauna ? pete --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-20 22:03Chispas De MuerteYeah it would be great to know who made those tracks. Definitley better than all of the ot
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Yeah it would be great to know who made those tracks. Definitley better than all of the other hoax MP3's that are floating around, and in my opinion the last few Autechre releases. What confuses me is someone posted a review of a promo tape he recieved a few days ago, with the same tracklisting and pretty similar descriptions of the music contained therein. Who knows maybe if this person were going to the trouble of mailing out a bunch of friggin cassette tapes they might be wise to withhold thier name in case of any legal backlash from Warp or Autechre for that matter. Something about intellectual property or something. Copyright laws? I think there are two different types of IDM listeners. One group listens to IDM in a more technical sense, listening for new sequencing/synthesis techniques and music that pushes the boundaries of electronic programming capabilites, whether or not the results are neccesarily coherent or cohesive. The other type listens to IDM as pure asthetic gratification, caring less about the process than the ability of a track to infect ones auditory senses in a pleasurable way. (This is of course all subjective, which I guess creates another group, or a mixture of the two. Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder). My point bieng that since possibley ep7 or lp5 AE has been releasing material entirely appealing to the first group, leaving a lot of people in the second group pretty dissapointed. It would be nice to hear something from them that took a little more direction, and didn't SOUND like computers spewing out a bunch of randomized parameters, time signatures and harmonics. I mean if they could get all crazy experimental and have it sound good, that I would be happy with, and actually would probabley give them more artistic props. ep7 is a good example of that, as well as the second peel session and a lot of thier remix work. Well thier track on the pool party mix doesn't sound too promising as far as my tastes go, but from what I gathered from an interview I read about them in xlr8r a year or so ago, these days they really aren't all that interested in the listeners opinion anyway. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-20 22:22EggyToast>My point bieng that since possibley ep7 or lp5 AE has >been releasing material entirely a
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quoted 7 lines My point bieng that since possibley ep7 or lp5 AE has>My point bieng that since possibley ep7 or lp5 AE has >been releasing material entirely appealing to the >first group, leaving a lot of people in the second >group pretty dissapointed. It would be nice to hear >something from them that took a little more direction, >and didn't SOUND like computers spewing out a bunch of >randomized parameters, time signatures and harmonics.
I don't hear that at all. It all sounds very intentional and planned to my ears. I can hear the feelings that are in there, or that I at least perceive to be in there. And, sure, I like to hear interesting sounds too, but I listen for enjoyability and aesthetics. Not for wankery.
quoted 10 lines I mean if they could get all crazy experimental and>I mean if they could get all crazy experimental and >have it sound good, that I would be happy with, and >actually would probabley give them more artistic >props. ep7 is a good example of that, as well as the >second peel session and a lot of thier remix work. >Well thier track on the pool party mix doesn't sound >too promising as far as my tastes go, but from what I >gathered from an interview I read about them in xlr8r >a year or so ago, these days they really aren't all >that interested in the listeners opinion anyway.
I don't think they were ever interested in listener's opinions. If they were, they'd probably sound like the Chemical Brothers or the awful Underworld. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- coming soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-21 00:27Chispas De Muerte--- EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> wrote:I don't hear that at all. It all sounds very inte
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--- EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> wrote:I don't hear that at all. It all sounds very intentional and planned to my ears. I can hear the feelings that are in there, or that I at least perceive to be in there. And, sure, I like to hear interesting sounds too, but I listen for enjoyability and aesthetics. Not for wankery. Well in that same interview they spoke about thier recording techniques, (for Confield) and a lot of the random generation process, and how they keep thier machines running these algorithms and spitting out tracks, and then they go through the output and maybe use 1% of what comes out and very little final editing goes into it. Which as an idea is really great and fascinating, and it definnitley takes some smarts to do that, but I fail to hear the beauty in it that other people do. Maybe I haven't had the patience to really listen to it enough to enjoy it. Maybe it's like one of those posters those computer generated 3d posters that you need to cross your eyes a certain way to see the hidden image, and maybe I'm not crossing my ears in the right way. Props to you for bieng able to hear something else than I am hearing, I don't find fault in people for liking or hearing something in music that I care for, including the hordes of Chemical Brothers and Underworld fans, or people who like Van Halen, Rod Stewart or any of the music out there that I can't stand. Having said that, what level of concern for the listener is neccessary when you are making and releasing music, for what reason do you make music other than for someone other than yourself to listen to it? And if for your own pleasure, what difference between that and wankery?
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2003-01-21 01:57EggyToastAt 04:27 PM 1/20/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Well in that same interview they spoke about thie
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At 04:27 PM 1/20/2003 -0800, you wrote:
quoted 10 lines Well in that same interview they spoke about thier>Well in that same interview they spoke about thier >recording techniques, (for Confield) and a lot of the >random generation process, and how they keep thier >machines running these algorithms and spitting out >tracks, and then they go through the output and maybe >use 1% of what comes out and very little final editing >goes into it. Which as an idea is really great and >fascinating, and it definnitley takes some smarts to >do that, but I fail to hear the beauty in it that >other people do.
See, how is that much different from someone tweaking synth sounds until they get a sound they want to use? It's not a perfect analogy, sure, but it is somewhat applicable. If an artist "randomly" tweaks some knobs around on a synth to get some sounds, they probably also only use 1% of the sounds they created to make a track in a song, and then do the same with another bit. Of course, as I'm sure you've probably figured out, over time, that artist gets an understanding of whatever he's working with, and can manipulate the seemingly random sounds to do what he wants. He's not just "wanking," he knows what part of the sound his particular modifications are changing and can then work with those. Now, they may very well be simply writing some long math equations with no idea what's going on, and simply using the ones that sound like something. But as someone who's played around with algorithmic and generative music on a small level, being able to even make something that sounds like a track is far from easy. You wouldn't get a sound like "parheric triangle," that's for sure :) Plus, despite the weirdness in their songs, they certainly still follow some normal track behaviors, like buildups, breakdowns, and the like. It may be obvious, but I think their later stuff is significantly more dynamic than their early stuff, which usually had rather formulaic buildups/breakdowns/progressions, and the repetitive nature sometimes hindered the music, rather than giving it a chance to change over time. You may be familiar with chaos theory, but if you're not, it's about seeing the patterns in chaos, or randomness. It's seeing whether what's random really is random, and if there is a pattern, then seeing how you can manipulate the pattern and what that changes. To a slight degree, that's what I hear when I consider Autechre to be "random," but really, it's a bit too "unrandom" to be random. There may not be a cut and dried melody, but there's nearly always a rhythm, and that rhythm usually consists of a few set sounds that work off of one another in rather predictable, workable ways. They may be randomly generated, but compared to random, academic music, there's a world of difference. That might be the editing process, but it sounds much more like something they're setting up to do what's going on. There are plenty of algorithms that will take a set pattern and add randomisations to it, as well, which I wouldn't put past autechre as describing as a "random pattern." Those pushes and pulls of rhythm that happen all over their more recent output *sounds* more like them fiddling with the pattern rather than letting the maths do it, as generative patterns like fractals certainly don't do that :)
quoted 17 lines Maybe I haven't had the patience to> Maybe I haven't had the patience to >really listen to it enough to enjoy it. Maybe it's >like one of those posters those computer generated 3d >posters that you need to cross your eyes a certain way >to see the hidden image, and maybe I'm not crossing my >ears in the right way. Props to you for bieng able to >hear something else than I am hearing, I don't find >fault in people for liking or hearing something in >music that I care for, including the hordes of >Chemical Brothers and Underworld fans, or people who >like Van Halen, Rod Stewart or any of the music out >there that I can't stand. Having said that, what level >of concern for the listener is neccessary when you are >making and releasing music, for what reason do you >make music other than for someone other than yourself >to listen to it? And if for your own pleasure, what >difference between that and wankery?
I think that is the difference, actually -- your own *pleasure*. It's making something you like. I mean, if you like wanking, that's cool, but I think there is a difference between doing something that you like, and doing something just because you can do it. It's a subtle difference, sure, but still a difference. And as long as their music sounds like they're pushing and pulling their own understanding of whatever software they're using to the satisfaction of their own [human] ears, I think it will remain interesting. Especially compared to what I've heard in the "doing it for the sake of doing it" camp in academia... *shudder* derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- coming soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-21 07:28sleesluealthough derek pulled him up tight, well, autechre threads i find most interesting... here
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although derek pulled him up tight, well, autechre threads i find most interesting... here it is again: "Why do autechre fans seem so polarized in opinion?" -- their music is complex, cryptic, innovative and not easy to pigeonhole. This combination of aesthetic properties blended with the reclusive, recalcitrant public image of the creators leads to all sorts of vociferous posturing. "What do you mean by complex, cryptic, and innovative?" -- autechre is complex in the arrangement of sound layers and the harmonies that these layers produce. In dealing with odd frequencies, accessed through fourier control, the harmonies can be extremely subtle and shifting, though always harmonious. The music is cryptic in the sense that the timbre of the sounds are often unavailable with presets! This leads to the next adjective innovative which describes these timbres, their production and finally their alignment in complex rhythms and harmonies. "Why do some dismiss autechre as musique concrete or aleatoric/generative chaos?" -- this has to do with the manner in which hype, mathematics and computer culture collide in the presentation of electronic music. computers, math and music are inextricably linked and excursions into technical construction are often needed to explain 'how' a sound was obtained. With the nature of electronic sound synthesis being mathematical and the listening experience of autechre's music being confrontational, their sounds are often shelved as being chaos, aleatoric, when with a simple understanding of synthesis and a sharp ear, the music could be appreciated as such. This phenomenon is often called the Peter Principle....any group of people will always defer to the least competent practice. In a nutshell, this is lazy thinking. "Wow, with all this controversy and misunderstanding it seems autechre may be worth listening to.. where should one begin in their prolific catalogue?" -- that all depends on what sort of listener one is. Many like to experience a new old group as though their first album were just now arriving. Take heed, though, as the modern ear may be tainted with the 'update principle', where older art isn't as welcome due to the lack of latest and greatest in technological achievements. Many youth refuse to watch older films as the actors aren't as familiar and the effects not as advanced as modern tinkering. This is a fatal error, as the concepts and encapsulated time period of these older works can be just as interesting and valuable for that very lack of control which technology enables. Creativity thrives in the face of obstacles, such is the nature of existence and adaptation. If one has an adventurous ear, Confield would be the starter's kit for autechre. It was possibly the most alien and esoteric record produced in 2001. The beats are misleadingly complex, the melodies are both frightening and lovely, while the transitions are nothing short of amazing. Gantz Graf is quite simply a masterpiece of aural pleasure. They take you to places noone would dare conceive and somehow make it a seamless, gratifying and enlightening experience. Autechre ups the ante with each new release. Their music is quite entwined with technology and they apparently have the very best of gear in terms of providing absolute control over discrete and integrated quanta of sound. Cavity Job, their first release is somewhat juvenile and definitely dated. Incunabula is an interesting if uneventfull experiment in melody and beats. Amber is the first masterpiece. Garbage is anything but. Anvil Vapre and Tri Repetae are fabulous sonic landscapes, evocative synaesthetic complexes. Cichlisuite is amazing synth work, with tilapia as the highlighted pinnacle of pristine beauty. Envane is unbelievably groovy and enjoyable with 902 Quarter providing and uncontested melody toward the end, you'll be in tears. Chiastic Slide is a feast of excellent cut and paste, mechanical ratchetlike organisms. LP5 simply must be heard to believed, again ridiculous synth work here, noone has done this before or synse. Peel Sessions 1 is a spiritual experience culminating in the droning majesty of drane. EP7 is such interesting and clever music, it'll stay in your player for years. And Peel Session 2 is delicate beauty constructed for shifting reality. All of autechre's singles and remixes are stellar with the highlight being the remix of Stereolab's Refractions in the Plastic Pulse. Just note the timbre of the beats and the gorgeous synths as well as a very human bass line. "ok, it looks like i've a road of pleasure ahead, thanks for the info!" -- right, just form your own opinions, while factoring out envy, trend hopping, complacency and all the silly wankers you'll encounter. Like a photographer taking thousands of photos to capture that one glimpse of perfection, you'll tread through thousands of personalities before you find the one or two worth speaking with. Cheers and luck! fuck the punters, fuck the radge cunty baw simps fuck the spastic slighted daft pickles that masquerade as real. You stew in the pot you made for yourself. 5l33 and so, good ole slee put the top on, its really quite simple when you consider the lot of them.... like those who cannae distinguish from colours, there are quite a few with difficulty in differentiating tones whose harmonics are not conventional(ie: pop) Grotesque art, visionary music, steven stapleton... those who defend 'just good music, likes... no that mr. dsp shite...' are a type of lazy habitual listeners for whom music must be in the mid c or the g. I can't imagine a world without those challenging conventions, you need no listen to fans, you make something and throw it out, if it flyz, righteous! if no, we enjoyed it, the process and the creation... maybe try again. elementary me dear bronson, ya cunt. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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2003-01-21 06:58Eric> My point bieng that since possibley ep7 or lp5 AE has > been releasing material entirely
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quoted 12 lines My point bieng that since possibley ep7 or lp5 AE has> My point bieng that since possibley ep7 or lp5 AE has > been releasing material entirely appealing to the > first group, leaving a lot of people in the second > group pretty dissapointed. It would be nice to hear > something from them that took a little more direction, > and didn't SOUND like computers spewing out a bunch of > randomized parameters, time signatures and harmonics. > I mean if they could get all crazy experimental and > have it sound good, that I would be happy with, and > actually would probabley give them more artistic > props. ep7 is a good example of that, as well as the > second peel session and a lot of thier remix work.
At the risk of helping along another interminable thread that ends yet again with people coming to the conclusion that music appreciation is a subjective activity as if it comes (again) from god's blistering tongue, you are stoned on something. So we have two kinds of IDM listeners: those who like Autechre's newer music and those who are like you. People in the second group (you) are disappointed because they are making tracks that you don't find musical, artistic, or similar to the IDM (Autechre) tracks you already like. Count yourself among the slobbering masses who only wish they would make the same music they made <x> years ago. Oh, but more experimental, right? Welp, here's a newsflash: they are getting "all crazy experimental". Dizzig? Plenty of people don't like it, plenty of others do. Got anything else to add to that conclusion? Are there four kinds of IDM listeners yet? Come on, it's okay not to like Autechre anymore if that's the way it is for you, but don't spew this grandiose sociological theory junk like it holds any water. It's all about you, just admit it, spend your time listening to music you like, and get on with your life. -e --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-22 04:51Chispas De Muerte--- Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: Count yourself among the slobbering masses who only
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--- Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: Count yourself among the slobbering masses who only wish they would make the same music they made <x> years ago. No that's not my point at all, I don't want them to rehash Amber or ep7, I want them to make music that I enjoy listening to. So I guess then in a sense yes it is all about me. Plaid has been evolving in interesting ways over the years without sounding like some John Cage on synthesizers experiment, so have a lot of old school artists of that generation. Is everyone that can't hear what you hear in "Confield" part of the slobbering masses? Maybe Autechre can start releasing music that is entirley triggered by marbles falling on a specially built MIDI triggered studio floor, and you can read some friggin book about it, scratch you chin, pat yourself on the back, and congradulate youself on your educated ear and be proud of the fact that you are far superior than the filthy slobbering masses. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-22 06:08Eric> Is everyone that can't hear what you hear in "Confield" > part of the slobbering masses?
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quoted 2 lines Is everyone that can't hear what you hear in "Confield"> Is everyone that can't hear what you hear in "Confield" > part of the slobbering masses?
Nope, just those who lament Autechre's lack of concern for their distaste. -e --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-21 12:05Peter Heide> what exactly does this mean ? > > > IF.....who made that music which made so much fun do
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quoted 6 lines what exactly does this mean ?> what exactly does this mean ? > > > IF.....who made that music which made so much fun down in our local > > sauna ? > > > > pete
well........ we got a sauna where i live and after a icecold bath we jump in it and normally listen to some music while we drink some beers.....and this socalled ae-promo is a fave down there for the moment. hit the north, pete --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-26 01:57killog123@juno.comI'd like to think the reason this person didn't take credit for these is because they (the
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I'd like to think the reason this person didn't take credit for these is because they (the mp3's) are hilariously BAD, SAD, and EMBARRASSING! the fact that a few of you said kind things about them really confuses me and makes ME sad. yes, i downloaded them hoping they might be real but what i got was Obvious right off the bat, uninspired, time wasted, no talent whatsoever fakes. this is 1 of the reasons i hate this idm scene. any kid with a computer makes some sounds, TRYING to sound like other real Original Artists and ends up being raved about on this list. idm=copy and paste (which is kinda fitting i guess) it's called talent folks. originality. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-26 23:10Peter Heide----- Oprindelig meddelelse ----- Fra: <killog123@juno.com> Til: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sendt
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----- Oprindelig meddelelse ----- Fra: <killog123@juno.com> Til: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sendt: 26. januar 2003 02:57 Emne: Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo
quoted 8 lines I'd like to think the reason this person didn't take> > I'd like to think the reason this person didn't take > credit for these is because they (the mp3's) > are hilariously BAD, SAD, and EMBARRASSING! > > the fact that a few of you said kind things about > them really confuses me and makes ME sad. >
dont be sad dear fellow, i was the one who praised the lord for this socalled new ae release.....and HOT DAMN i still like it !! Well its not ae, but who cares, its GOOD,FUN and made by a STAND UP GUY/WOMAN !! peter --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-27 01:59Peter Heide----- Oprindelig meddelelse ----- Fra: <killog123@juno.com> Til: <peter@heide.1a.dk> Sendt
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----- Oprindelig meddelelse ----- Fra: <killog123@juno.com> Til: <peter@heide.1a.dk> Sendt: 27. januar 2003 02:41 Emne: Re: [idm] AE draft 7.30 promo > dont be sad dear fellow, i was the one who praised the lord > for this socalled new ae release.....and HOT DAMN i still like > it !! yea, you were ONE of the ones who praised this crap. i have no idea what your musical taste is but i will be firmly suspect of it now. i mean, jesus, come on. have you not actually heard recorded sound before ? > Well its not ae, but who cares, its GOOD,FUN and made by a > STAND UP GUY/WOMAN !! i'm all about fun, but this is not what i would call fun. i enjoy Real, Original, Artistry myself. not just a kid wipping up some electronic sounds.
quoted 1 line peter> peter
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