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hi, i am curious about IDM/dub/jungle music creators using trackers for their music still. some good examples would be md - appelsap, between gaps (merck) - done in fast tracker 2 machine drum - now you know, half the battle, urban biology (merck) - all tracks by machine drum (not the remixes necessarily) done in impulse tracker 2 ilkae - pistachio island (merck) - done in fast tracker 2 brothomstates, previously dune of orange, who did everything in scream tracker 3, impulse tracker 2, and fast tracker 2, though i understand the majority of his new tracks are done in various newer softwares (logic, audiomulch, buzz) muffler, on urban takeover, with a cd on trsi recordz USED to use protracker and whatever other amiga tracker software, though i understand he uses "professional gear" now. psidream, can't recall what label he is on but he does some great drumnbass/jungle tracks in impulse tracker. most all of this stuff has been mastered professionally after being done in a simple, no automation/realtime effects/vsti environment. i'm curious if you are aware of other idm musicians using similar software? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

The rather excellent Lackluster uses (or at least used to use) trackers. I had Starcell U.K. in its original Impulse Tracker format... Lackluster and Brothomstates (and probably some of the others you mention) comes from the Amiga/PC demo-scene, where trackers were almost the only thing used to make music. At least until a couple of years ago, when mp3:s took over... (Which doesn't exclude that they still originally were in some tracker format ;-) MVH Magnus Karlsson <magnus@karlsson.com>

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> -----Original Message----- > From: Clint [mailto:clinta@cvol.net] > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 5:11 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] tracking > > > hi, i am curious about IDM/dub/jungle music creators using trackers for > their music still. > some good examples would be > md - appelsap, between gaps (merck) - done in fast tracker 2 > machine drum - now you know, half the battle, urban biology (merck) - > all tracks by machine drum (not the remixes necessarily) done in impulse > tracker 2 > ilkae - pistachio island (merck) - done in fast tracker 2 > brothomstates, previously dune of orange, who did everything in scream > tracker 3, impulse tracker 2, and fast tracker 2, though i understand > the majority of his new tracks are done in various newer softwares > (logic, audiomulch, buzz) > muffler, on urban takeover, with a cd on trsi recordz USED to use > protracker and whatever other amiga tracker software, though i > understand he uses "professional gear" now. > psidream, can't recall what label he is on but he does some great > drumnbass/jungle tracks in impulse tracker. > most all of this stuff has been mastered professionally after being done > in a simple, no automation/realtime effects/vsti environment. > i'm curious if you are aware of other idm musicians using similar > software? > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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My first record was Fast Tracker 2 and ModPlug, everything since then is Buzz Tracker. -- :: atomly :: [ atomly@atomly.com : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 877.741.3571 ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

You missed the most obvious one in my opinion - Venetian Snares uses trackers (octaMED I think) or used to anyway. g.

quoted 23 lines hi, i am curious about IDM/dub/jungle music creators using trackers for

>hi, i am curious about IDM/dub/jungle music creators using trackers for >their music still. >some good examples would be >md - appelsap, between gaps (merck) - done in fast tracker 2 >machine drum - now you know, half the battle, urban biology (merck) - >all tracks by machine drum (not the remixes necessarily) done in impulse >tracker 2 >ilkae - pistachio island (merck) - done in fast tracker 2 >brothomstates, previously dune of orange, who did everything in scream >tracker 3, impulse tracker 2, and fast tracker 2, though i understand >the majority of his new tracks are done in various newer softwares >(logic, audiomulch, buzz) >muffler, on urban takeover, with a cd on trsi recordz USED to use >protracker and whatever other amiga tracker software, though i >understand he uses "professional gear" now. >psidream, can't recall what label he is on but he does some great >drumnbass/jungle tracks in impulse tracker. >most all of this stuff has been mastered professionally after being done >in a simple, no automation/realtime effects/vsti environment. >i'm curious if you are aware of other idm musicians using similar >software? > >

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I did almost everything in FT2 as well.... I also used Rebirth a lot for my acid tunes. Also Alex Cortex (of Source Rec.) uses FT2... and VSNARES has a bit sounding like he uses trackers sometimes... and Bogdan Raczynski obviously... maybe OVUCA as well? hmm... anyway i like trackers becouse they are simple. i hate sitting as the computer all day long so at least i use an easy-to-use program :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 1 line and VSNARES has a bit sounding like he uses trackers

> and VSNARES has a bit sounding like he uses trackers

He uses OctaMED for Windows. -- :: atomly :: [ atomly@atomly.com : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 877.741.3571 ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

can you guys explain trackers a bit more? so they don't involve software use.....? or....? sorry! thank you

quoted 2 lines can you guys explain trackers a bit more? so they don't involve software

>can you guys explain trackers a bit more? so they don't involve software >use.....? or....? sorry! thank you

Nope, still software. Based on sampling and sequencing those samples directly, without any midi. Somewhat tough to get into based on the hex code used for most of it, but once you get into the mindset properly, they're pretty slick for bangin' out tracks. Obviously since they're sample based they work much better for percussion than melody, which is also why most of the artists mentioned as tracker users are much more complex with their percussion than with their (rather simple) melodies. derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

goto castlex.com and check trackers out --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I use the PC version of Octamed, for sample stuff and MIDI, and do some post fx with soundforge. I find writing both melody and complex rythym stuff much faster in trackers than anything like cubase. But then it could be because I've been using it since I was 13, and trying to change to a new method over ten years later can be really hard! I think YeeKing uses octamed too (still on the Amiga though). Eddie www.bovaflux.co.uk '2002' mini-album mp3s/cdrs available now! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:33:11 +0200 (CEST) To: idm@hyperreal.org From: "adrian jonsson" <adrian.jonsson@telia.com> Subject: re: tracking Message-Id: <200210120933.g9C9XBx21757@d1o829.telia.com> i use buzz, which is basically a tracker with the addition of softsynths. i find that the tracker interface is essential (at least for me) for writing drill'n'bass or other complex rythm stuff. that's probably why a lot of these people use trackers. writing this stuff in plain midi sequencers is a royal pain in the ass. /adrian (cellular) http://cellmusic.cjb.net ------------------------------ Confidentiality and Disclaimer of liability for the content of the message. "This email and any attachments is confidential and are for the intended addressee only. If you have received it in error, you must not use, disclose, copy, retain, disseminate or otherwise deal with it. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender by return email and delete it from your system. Any views or opinions expressed in this email and any attachments do not necessarily represent those of Blitz Games Limited who accept no responsibility for such views or opinions." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

been following this thread with some interest and I'm a little bit curious. in what ways is a tracker better for producing music of idm-ish styles? in other words, how is it superior to loading up a bunch of samples into a plugin and doing it with a step sequencer? all this talk has got me about ready to explore the possibilities but in the mean time if somebody wants to clarify this point I'd love to hear the answer. cheers, max --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

well... i'm not familiar with wintel/mac tracking software, but the one i have used gives really glitchy results because of the interface. when you hit a 'note' (pitch sample) in edit mode, it will put the note on the closest tracker channel mark. imagine using a controller/sequencer with hard quantize set to the value of your pattern length. so, it's good for eye de emm 'cause 20% of the time, the notes go where you want them to go. 80% of the time, the notes go where ever they go, but they will be quantized so beacoup 'accidents' i'm using SoundTracker on linux, and it's a little buggy, but works pretty cool. nicest feature? auto conversion of any data to audio - ie, in the sample loader, i select a binary file, or a freinds email, or a pgp hash, etc and it pops up a dialog asking me whether the new file should be 8-16 bit, stereo or mono, little or big endian. while still playing the pattern/song in the back ground. so - trackers make it easy to make music. make's it a little harder to do it on purpose, tho :) On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 12:11, Max Lansing wrote:

quoted 18 lines been following this thread with some interest and I'm a little bit

> been following this thread with some interest and I'm a little bit > curious. in what ways is a tracker better for producing music of > idm-ish styles? in other words, how is it superior to loading up a > bunch of samples into a plugin and doing it with a step sequencer? > > all this talk has got me about ready to explore the possibilities but > in the mean time if somebody wants to clarify this point I'd love to > hear the answer. > > cheers, > max > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 8 lines been following this thread with some interest and I'm a little bit

>been following this thread with some interest and I'm a little bit >curious. in what ways is a tracker better >for producing music of >idm-ish styles? in other words, how is it superior to loading up a >bunch of >samples into a plugin and doing it with a step sequencer? > >all this talk has got me about ready to explore the possibilities >but in the mean time if somebody wants >to clarify this point I'd >love to hear the answer.

I wouldn't say "better," just very "pattern based." It's made for punching in note data to trigger samples, whereas most sequencers nowadays are created to record someone playing, and there's little to help out people who want to do it all on screen. Most trackers also map out the spread of the keyboard across the qwerty keyboard, so you don't need extra stuff to play notes/melodies and it's relatively easy to play by ear. There's no "piano roll" and everything is heavily quantized, but for "idm" that's actually a plus, thanks to the abundance of simple melodies and complex rhythms. however, looking at pages upon pages of vertical note data represented with hexadecimal code isn't exactly "inviting," so it's not for everyone. But, on the plus side, mostly all of them are free. Modplug is a modern one that works pretty well and can import other mod files both for playing and modifying. They're worthwhile to at least look at and play with. The advantage over doing it with a step sequencer is that there really aren't very many good ones on the software side, and they're free compared to hardware sequencers. On the downside, I'm not sure about their midi capabilities and am pretty doubtful any support midi sequencing. That's not very "trackish" derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org