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2002-09-07 21:28michael feldman [idm] books on glitch music
└─ 2002-09-08 00:51J.P.L'asthme Fawn Re: [idm] books on glitch music
2002-09-08 21:43kurt Re: [idm] books on glitch music
├─ 2002-09-08 21:53shift8 Re: [idm] books on glitch music
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2002-09-07 21:28michael feldmanhave there been any books written on the subject of glitch music?? Im considering basing m
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have there been any books written on the subject of glitch music?? Im considering basing my senior design thesis on the subject...i have some articles...but are there any books, or maybe great articles that someone could recommend??? thank you. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-09-08 00:51J.P.L'asthme Fawnhave you seen 'the aesthetics of failure' by kim cascone at the mediamatic site? mediamati
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have you seen 'the aesthetics of failure' by kim cascone at the mediamatic site? mediamatic.nl normally i'm not really one for academic language, but there are some interesting points raised here. also keep an eye out for things matthew herbert has written, when he's not bashing you over the head with political things (granted, he's allowed and i even find myself agreeing with him most of the time), he's got some pretty nice things to say about music, and mistakes in particular. i'd say that glitch music hasn't come enough into it's own yet in order to have been written about in book form, though surely there must be some kind of definitive tome singing the praises of mistakes from which you could apply bits and pieces. gregory --- michael feldman <datahiccup@yahoo.com> wrote:
quoted 18 lines have there been any books written on the subject of> have there been any books written on the subject of > glitch music?? Im considering basing my senior > design > thesis on the subject...i have some articles...but > are > there any books, or maybe great articles that > someone > could recommend??? > > > thank you. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > >
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2002-09-08 21:43kurt>have you seen 'the aesthetics of failure' >by kim cascone at the mediamatic site? > >medi
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quoted 7 lines have you seen 'the aesthetics of failure'>have you seen 'the aesthetics of failure' >by kim cascone at the mediamatic site? > >mediamatic.nl > >i'd say that glitch music hasn't come enough into >it's own yet in order to have been written about
in book form I wonder if it's possible that it will ever...it's an idea that had an astonishing freshness to it a few years back. once the idea had been identified, it was used by a lot of musicians, sometimes well, sometimes not. unexpectedly, the sounds of digital audio fucking up became increasingly familiar, until they no longer represented cheeky conceptual innovation or Cage-ian openess, but a new status quo with a palette of sounds as familiar and tired as any set of pre-sets on a commercial synth. (Perhaps I exaggerate.) I don't think the sounds will go away, nor do I think it's a bad idea to exploit accidents and so forth. but i think these sounds and strategies are receding as being of primary interest. k --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-09-08 21:53shift8troll. did i just say that?? hehe... i mean, yeah - i can see where you are comming from,
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troll. did i just say that?? hehe... i mean, yeah - i can see where you are comming from, but at the same time, i doubt the idea of happy accidents will ever get old. there's quite a bit to be said about serendipity. and the fact that serendipity is relative to your frame of reference. receding as a primary interest, -star On Sun, 2002-09-08 at 14:43, kurt wrote:
quoted 31 lines have you seen 'the aesthetics of failure'> >have you seen 'the aesthetics of failure' > >by kim cascone at the mediamatic site? > > > >mediamatic.nl > > > >i'd say that glitch music hasn't come enough into > >it's own yet in order to have been written about > in book form > > I wonder if it's possible that it will ever...it's an idea that had > an astonishing freshness to it a few years back. > > once the idea had been identified, it was used by a lot of musicians, > sometimes well, sometimes not. unexpectedly, the sounds of digital > audio fucking up became increasingly familiar, until they no longer > represented cheeky conceptual innovation or Cage-ian openess, but a > new status quo with a palette of sounds as familiar and tired as any > set of pre-sets on a commercial synth. (Perhaps I exaggerate.) > > I don't think the sounds will go away, nor do I think it's a bad idea > to exploit accidents and so forth. but i think these sounds and > strategies are receding as being of primary interest. > > > k > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2002-09-08 22:00kingfoolDo anything enough times and someone is bound to get bored with it :) -----Original Messag
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Do anything enough times and someone is bound to get bored with it :) -----Original Message----- From: kurt [mailto:supine@bway.net] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 5:44 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Cc: ignorantdancemusic@yahoo.com; datahiccup@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [idm] books on glitch music
quoted 7 lines have you seen 'the aesthetics of failure'>have you seen 'the aesthetics of failure' >by kim cascone at the mediamatic site? > >mediamatic.nl > >i'd say that glitch music hasn't come enough into >it's own yet in order to have been written about
in book form I wonder if it's possible that it will ever...it's an idea that had an astonishing freshness to it a few years back. once the idea had been identified, it was used by a lot of musicians, sometimes well, sometimes not. unexpectedly, the sounds of digital audio fucking up became increasingly familiar, until they no longer represented cheeky conceptual innovation or Cage-ian openess, but a new status quo with a palette of sounds as familiar and tired as any set of pre-sets on a commercial synth. (Perhaps I exaggerate.) I don't think the sounds will go away, nor do I think it's a bad idea to exploit accidents and so forth. but i think these sounds and strategies are receding as being of primary interest. k --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-09-09 11:12J.P.L'asthme Fawnit's a matter of taste and context and that's it, really. when i listen to music i don't t
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it's a matter of taste and context and that's it, really. when i listen to music i don't try and put it into some kind of conceptual framework unless the artist is making that intention so clearly outlined that it can't be helped. and furthermore, i think that we'll find that just as contemporary classical composers (schoenberg, stravinsky, et al) had tried to take the music where their predecessors had not, and people like arvo part, john tavener, henryk gorecki, were trying to advance the music into even less frequently charted waters, very soon people will get bored with john cage and pauline oliveros and those types, and start adjusting conceptual ideas en masse (i'm not asserting that no headway has been made as to founding new concepts, i'm just saying that the dominant, landmark achievement type things)... this is primarily because i think most listeners (myself included) find cage and oliveros music extremely boring to listen to, and fail to read much into the rigorous and perhaps overly cerebral 'concepts'. this is really going somewhere, i think, let's see if it really is, yes, hmmm,,, uhh ! you have to give props where they're due, the forebears of new techniques invent the pallette with which their followers will paint their masterpieces. glitch music came around, and we'll just say that oval or someone of that ilk (maybe even paul lansky, but that's arguable) could be called the modern progenitor of that music-- he (they, then, i guess) devised certain techniques previously unknown to most listeners and so his music sounded fresh and exciting and inspired a lot of other people to think similarly about where their music ought to go, so those techniques became popularized and appeared everywhere from the smallest byline in the wire to nsync's song 'pop' and now people say they're jaded with glitch and it's over and blah blah blah when in fact it only just started a little under a decade ago and sure, the honeymoon is over but we don't a divorce yet. there's plenty of good music coming out of the glitch movement, from dntel's album (which happens to be in my top 5 out of the last ten years) to the notwist to a billion other things that would be too much trouble to get into in a post already this muddled. imagine if people had given up on the guitar so easily. the world would be less a lot of brilliant music because a few people suggested the notion that maybe you couldn't do anything else with those six strings, or that they sounded 'tired'... i think that when people get sick of sounds quickly like that it's a real sign of just exactly how fast society/development/ technology is moving. if you look at the ascendance of these things on a curve, it's really well a very slight almost unnoticable upward grade from millions of years ago to the nineteenth century with only a few exceptions/advancements, then you get to the industrial revolution and all that garbage and then you get to the latter of half of the last century and it's like, 'holy fuck! slow down, people, we're fucking vertical and we're probably gonna hit a glass ceiling really soon, you saw willy wonka, right?' uhh... hmmm..., anyway. gregory --- kurt <supine@bway.net> wrote:
quoted 23 lines I wonder if it's possible that it will ever...it's> I wonder if it's possible that it will ever...it's > an idea that had > an astonishing freshness to it a few years back. > > once the idea had been identified, it was used by a > lot of musicians, > sometimes well, sometimes not. unexpectedly, the > sounds of digital > audio fucking up became increasingly familiar, until > they no longer > represented cheeky conceptual innovation or Cage-ian > openess, but a > new status quo with a palette of sounds as familiar > and tired as any > set of pre-sets on a commercial synth. (Perhaps I > exaggerate.) > > I don't think the sounds will go away, nor do I > think it's a bad idea > to exploit accidents and so forth. but i think these > sounds and > strategies are receding as being of primary > interest.
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