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├─ 2001-08-17 15:30Adam Piontek [idm] 'timeless' music (was Re: NIN?)
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2001-08-17 15:00Loptimiste@aol.comIn a message dated 8/17/01 5:03:13 AM, lmarta@fccn.pt writes: << Skinny Puppy are timeless
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In a message dated 8/17/01 5:03:13 AM, lmarta@fccn.pt writes: << Skinny Puppy are timeless, Einsturzend Neubauten are timeless, Ministry are timeless (well, maybe only until "Psalm 69..."), but NIN... I really don't find them timeless at all. >> Well, that's an opinion... But the fact of the matter is that many more people know who NIN is, compared to probably all 3 of those bands put together... I'd say more people are going to rememer NIN. The downward spiral is timeless. On a songwriting level, and a metaphorical level.. I have a little analyzation of the first couple of tracks of that album by a former engineer for nothing studios, and the moderator of the Tumorlist. Amazing stuff. <<What new contribution did they give to the industrial genre? >> Is that the new definition of "timeless"? Who cares what contribution they gave to the industrial genre, NIN goes so much further than that. The great thing about NIN is what he's tried to do for mainstream music.. NIN is like a gateway drug. Open you up to all sorts of new things, but a lot of people just keep going back to it. <<Compared to what was being done in the late 80's, none.>> For instance...? <<I think that since the album "Last Rights" by Skinny Puppy in 92, nothing really new happened.>> Once again this is personal opinion... I do think Gridlock has been quite new and exciting. But once again.. You're comparing apples and oranges, for the longest time Trent has rejected the industrial label. He doesn't want to be part of that "genre". He knows its dead. And NIN has always been completely different than SP, Neubauten, or Ministry. NIN deals with different issues, and is on a much more personal, and emotional level than any of the 3 bands you mentioned. This, for some people, is a turn off. They want their music to be all high minded... About politics... etc. Personally, I still love to listen to a very personal song, and identify with it. It's why I'm not into old school punk all that much... It's all about the government. That interests me (musically) little to none. I want the music i listen to, to have some sort of personal edge to it, and that's what thing that NIN can offer that none of the 3 bands listed above can. <<This one also makes NIN look like a very sweet pop band...>> It is a pop band.. After the "Broken" album came out, he decided that he was going to stop making the "hardest" album ever, and focus on something else... -j --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-17 15:30Adam PiontekSince some people recently are debating the "timeless" nature of Nine Inch Nais and relate
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Since some people recently are debating the "timeless" nature of Nine Inch Nais and related industrial bands (most of which I freely admit I don't and haven't ever listened to), I've been thinking about it as well. I find that I seem to have a much stricter meaning for the word "timeless" than most people. I take it almost literally. You see, while an angst-ridden teenager, I found some meaning and importance in The Downward Spiral, and even now I admit that some of the lyrics have a certain poetic quality to them, and much of the music is still well-done and enjoyable. Much of what I listened to as a teenager is even "timeless" in a very general sense, as applies to my life - a lot of it is so much a part of me, even though it's not my favorite music anymore, that if I do listen to it again, I still enjoy it a lot or get something out of it. However, it's not really, really "timeless". It continues to have some meaning to me, but to me, "timeless" is Shakespeare's Macbeth; "timeless" is Beethoven's 5th; "timeless" is anything that touches so close to the human spirit or the human condition (whatever those are) that they continue to have meaning and affect us, even hundereds of years later. I hate to say this, but I really don't think that NIN or even Coil will still be remembered or thought of much a few hundred years from now. However, I'm fairly confident that many of Shakespeare's plays, or the old Greek plays, or tons of classical music, will be. Is anything "timeless" still being made? Sure it is. Heck, maybe a few odd pop tunes here and there will make it, and maybe NIN's TDS will be one of the longer-lasting pieces - I don't know for sure. I think some of the music by The Police is more timeless than TDS, though. Just because an industrial band takes some themes from the bible and existentialist thought, waters them down 100-fold, embeds it in talk of "machines" and such (how 20th-century!), doesn't make it a great work of art, and certainly doesn't render it timeless. Will any IDM be timeless? I'm willing to bet that some of it might actually gain some wider hearing eventually (probably the mid-career work by Autechre) and last a while. Part of the problem is that true "timelessness" is a largely cultural phenomenon, relying on the majority of the people in a culture appreciating and enjoying a work, and in that way, the culture internalizing the work such that you can't hardly grow up without being exposed to the work in some aspect. So, to a certain extent, I don't see many "timeless" things coming out of the modern age at all, simply because there are so many people and so many works that even the truly potentially timeless works are not absorbed or noticed by everyone. Culture is less fluid; it has become a gas, moving around extremely fast and randomly. A chaotic system in which artistic works flounder and find niches in which they grow, but it takes a gargantuan Hollywood effort to really reach the great mass of people that is today's global culture. Imagine, if humankind does reach out into the great beyond and colonize other worlds, someday there will be multiple cultures on different planets, all developing on their own, with different new "timeless" art that separate worlds will not share. Will they all still remember Shakespeare and Mozart? Probably some relics from the past will always remain. However, how many of us remember much of the "timeless" art that must have been created in Babylonian times? We have almost no record of any Egyptian art - for example, there must have been some form of theater (acting is something humans do without thinking - it isn't much of a leap to act out a story). Why is the earliest theater Greek? The earliest music lost? Because eventually it is all lost. So, will NIN be around in 50 years? Probably it'll be around as long as Trent's fans are alive, but given how culturally-bound the music is (industrial is easily "dated"!), I doubt if the kids 50 years from now will find it as appealing as you did when you were 15. If anything, music kills itself nowadays because most of it is marketed towards kids, and kids are so flighty and picky - they don't *want* old music, for the most part - they want something new that makes them unique; they want music that's different from everything else. They want to feel special. A ready-made market for the music industry to always churn out something new that's just different enough for the new batch of teens to think "this is *my* music - no one else likes this!" Sorry, I've been reading too much Vonnegut lately. -Ada~` __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-17 15:48Kent williamsOn Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Adam Piontek wrote: > I hate to say this, but I really don't think th
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Adam Piontek wrote:
quoted 3 lines I hate to say this, but I really don't think that NIN> I hate to say this, but I really don't think that NIN > or even Coil will still be remembered or thought of > much a few hundred years from now.
Coil has a better chance than NIN, of course, because it's better music. But think about how few artists in popular music from the 1920s has any current interest. It's Duke Ellington, Louis Armstrong, and maybe Bix Beiderbeck (who is probably unknown unless you're either a complete jazz nut or from Iowa). Compare that to the thousands of people who made records back then. When I was a kid adults were gaga over swing music from the 40's. that was maybe 20 years after the fact. Now that generation is starting to die off and all sorts of people that were household names are languishing in obscurity. Right now, the crap I listened to in high school is the staple for oldies stations. People generally are obsessed with what they listened to in their teens, which is what they imprint on. I'm probably an exception in that I've been obsessed with whatever is new and cool. No one my age even hears my favorite stuff as musical... my wife's famous line when she heard something i was listening to is "is there something wrong with the stereo?" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-17 17:57MxyzptlkKent : you are not alone. And I'm even older than you :-) jeff At 10:48 AM 8/17/2001, Kent
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Kent : you are not alone. And I'm even older than you :-) jeff At 10:48 AM 8/17/2001, Kent williams wrote:
quoted 3 lines No one my age even hears my favorite> No one my age even hears my favorite >stuff as musical... my wife's famous line when she heard something >i was listening to is "is there something wrong with the stereo?"
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2001-08-17 22:13WildStyle24_7> -----Original Message----- > From: Kent williams [mailto:kent@avalon.net] > Sent: 17 Aug
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quoted 10 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Kent williams [mailto:kent@avalon.net] > Sent: 17 August 2001 16:48 > To: Adam Piontek > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] 'timeless' music (was Re: NIN?) > > my wife's famous line when she heard something > i was listening to is "is there something wrong with the stereo?" >
That sounds familiar - I remember playing Hardfloor's "Reverberate Opinion", and my wife asking why I was sandpapering the needle on the record player... she's also summed up my Jazz collection as "that lift music stuff" on occasion. Proof that opposites attract, perhaps? -- "Screw that, make it Episode 2: Attack Of The Clowns instead. Luke, I am your father, *squirt* *honk* *honk*." - Daemon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-17 23:33MxyzptlkMy wife lumps all things from V/Vm to Oval to newer AE in to a category she calls "dirt mu
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My wife lumps all things from V/Vm to Oval to newer AE in to a category she calls "dirt music". jeff At 05:13 PM 8/17/2001, WildStyle24_7 wrote:
quoted 9 lines my wife's famous line when she heard something> > my wife's famous line when she heard something > > i was listening to is "is there something wrong with the stereo?" > > >That sounds familiar - I remember playing Hardfloor's "Reverberate Opinion", >and my wife asking why I was sandpapering the needle on the record player... >she's also summed up my Jazz collection as "that lift music stuff" on >occasion. Proof that opposites attract, perhaps? >-- >"
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2001-08-17 16:24MxyzptlkNot to incite flames, but merely to highlight the element of subjectivity to the notion of
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Not to incite flames, but merely to highlight the element of subjectivity to the notion of "timelessness", personally I consider all of the below ( with the exception of EU) relics and quite overrated - especially NIN. What's remembered may well have to do with MTV exposure than with anything else. jeff At 10:00 AM 8/17/2001, Loptimiste@aol.com wrote:
quoted 9 lines In a message dated 8/17/01 5:03:13 AM, lmarta@fccn.pt writes:>In a message dated 8/17/01 5:03:13 AM, lmarta@fccn.pt writes: > ><< Skinny Puppy are timeless, Einsturzend Neubauten are timeless, Ministry are > >timeless (well, maybe only until "Psalm 69..."), but NIN... I really don't > >find them timeless at all. >> > >Well, that's an opinion...
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2001-08-17 16:49Julia Matusovdropping into this a bit late... not having read all the opinions but most, so I hope I do
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dropping into this a bit late... not having read all the opinions but most, so I hope I dont repeat any... but.. hahaha, I just pictured a bunch of college students and a professor sitting there and listening to "I wanna fuck you like an animal. I wanna feel you from the inside. You get me closer to go-od." 200 years from now. Can you picture that? Analyzing the composition, taking notes ferociously. Who knows... it might happen. Henry Miller is a big icon and all he talks about is his big cock. I always felt really embarassed for NIN though... I dont know why, Trent is just such a little princess squirming around shirtless and trying to be all shocking... Maybe its the lack of integrity in his fame and his ego-centricism. I am sorry if I am upsetting anyone, but I really really hope that they are forgotten. I know people get really emotionally attached to Nine Inch Nails, so I do truly apologize. I would kill anyone who disses Pink Floyd. Grrr. Kraftwerk, Pink Floyd, Brian Eno... i dont know, Coil. But that shit... is just bad... since I am not from the US I have a hard time feeling any nostalgia towards NIN, just deep embarassment...
quoted 123 lines From: Adam Piontek <apiontek@yahoo.com>>From: Adam Piontek <apiontek@yahoo.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] 'timeless' music (was Re: NIN?) >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:30:32 -0700 (PDT) > >Since some people recently are debating the "timeless" >nature of Nine Inch Nais and related industrial bands >(most of which I freely admit I don't and haven't ever >listened to), I've been thinking about it as well. > >I find that I seem to have a much stricter meaning for >the word "timeless" than most people. I take it >almost literally. > >You see, while an angst-ridden teenager, I found some >meaning and importance in The Downward Spiral, and >even now I admit that some of the lyrics have a >certain poetic quality to them, and much of the music >is still well-done and enjoyable. Much of what I >listened to as a teenager is even "timeless" in a very >general sense, as applies to my life - a lot of it is >so much a part of me, even though it's not my favorite >music anymore, that if I do listen to it again, I >still enjoy it a lot or get something out of it. > >However, it's not really, really "timeless". It >continues to have some meaning to me, but to me, >"timeless" is Shakespeare's Macbeth; "timeless" is >Beethoven's 5th; "timeless" is anything that touches >so close to the human spirit or the human condition >(whatever those are) that they continue to have >meaning and affect us, even hundereds of years later. > >I hate to say this, but I really don't think that NIN >or even Coil will still be remembered or thought of >much a few hundred years from now. However, I'm >fairly confident that many of Shakespeare's plays, or >the old Greek plays, or tons of classical music, will >be. > >Is anything "timeless" still being made? Sure it is. >Heck, maybe a few odd pop tunes here and there will >make it, and maybe NIN's TDS will be one of the >longer-lasting pieces - I don't know for sure. I >think some of the music by The Police is more timeless >than TDS, though. Just because an industrial band >takes some themes from the bible and existentialist >thought, waters them down 100-fold, embeds it in talk >of "machines" and such (how 20th-century!), doesn't >make it a great work of art, and certainly doesn't >render it timeless. > >Will any IDM be timeless? I'm willing to bet that >some of it might actually gain some wider hearing >eventually (probably the mid-career work by Autechre) >and last a while. > >Part of the problem is that true "timelessness" is a >largely cultural phenomenon, relying on the majority >of the people in a culture appreciating and enjoying a >work, and in that way, the culture internalizing the >work such that you can't hardly grow up without being >exposed to the work in some aspect. > >So, to a certain extent, I don't see many "timeless" >things coming out of the modern age at all, simply >because there are so many people and so many works >that even the truly potentially timeless works are not >absorbed or noticed by everyone. Culture is less >fluid; it has become a gas, moving around extremely >fast and randomly. A chaotic system in which artistic >works flounder and find niches in which they grow, but >it takes a gargantuan Hollywood effort to really reach >the great mass of people that is today's global >culture. > >Imagine, if humankind does reach out into the great >beyond and colonize other worlds, someday there will >be multiple cultures on different planets, all >developing on their own, with different new "timeless" >art that separate worlds will not share. Will they >all still remember Shakespeare and Mozart? Probably >some relics from the past will always remain. >However, how many of us remember much of the >"timeless" art that must have been created in >Babylonian times? We have almost no record of any >Egyptian art - for example, there must have been some >form of theater (acting is something humans do without >thinking - it isn't much of a leap to act out a >story). Why is the earliest theater Greek? The >earliest music lost? Because eventually it is all >lost. > >So, will NIN be around in 50 years? Probably it'll be >around as long as Trent's fans are alive, but given >how culturally-bound the music is (industrial is >easily "dated"!), I doubt if the kids 50 years from >now will find it as appealing as you did when you were >15. If anything, music kills itself nowadays because >most of it is marketed towards kids, and kids are so >flighty and picky - they don't *want* old music, for >the most part - they want something new that makes >them unique; they want music that's different from >everything else. They want to feel special. A >ready-made market for the music industry to always >churn out something new that's just different enough >for the new batch of teens to think "this is *my* >music - no one else likes this!" > >Sorry, I've been reading too much Vonnegut lately. > >-Ada~` > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-08-17 17:18Kent williamsOn Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Julia Matusov wrote: > > hahaha, I just pictured a bunch of college s
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quoted 8 lines hahaha, I just pictured a bunch of college students and a professor sitting> > hahaha, I just pictured a bunch of college students and a professor sitting > there and listening to "I wanna fuck you like an animal. I wanna feel you > from the inside. You get me closer to go-od." 200 years from now. Can you > picture that? Analyzing the composition, taking notes ferociously. > Who knows... it might happen. Henry Miller is a big icon and all he talks > about is his big cock. >
The University of Iowa has a guy who teaches Elvis studies... And in a perfect world, Weird Al's version of Closer would last longer than Trent's. Trent Resnor made industrial music safe for the shopping mall. The best thing he ever did was release a bunch of autechre albums domestic in the US. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-18 23:54andregurov@juno.comHA! You guys have it easy. My (new) wife won't even let me play music when she's home. Alt
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HA! You guys have it easy. My (new) wife won't even let me play music when she's home. Although she's a great sport when it comes to live concerts. And for the record, she really likes NiN. J "iam nemo, fessus satiate videndi, suspicere in coeli dignatur lucida templa" - Lucretius On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:33:15 -0500 Mxyzptlk <jpklein@telocity.com> writes:
quoted 6 lines My wife lumps all things from V/Vm to Oval to newer AE in to a> My wife lumps all things from V/Vm to Oval to newer AE in to a > category she > calls "dirt music". > jeff > >
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2001-08-20 19:30SteevJust thought id tell you something i found very interesting. I hadnt heard skinny puppy ti
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Just thought id tell you something i found very interesting. I hadnt heard skinny puppy till t his last weekend. I have heard most other (idm+industrial stuff), but never got round to listening to skinny puppy as friends have said that it has been done better. How wrong was I!!!!! I cant believe how derivative everything sounds since listening to this. FLA, NIN, Front 242, Ministry, Ring tailed snorter, lassigue bendthaus, download the list goes on....Please bear in mind that i am a huge fan of all the above artists, and related works and lots of much more specialised stuff. But, in context of the thread, and becuase of my exposure to the bands who have been influenced by skinnypuppy first, rather than skinny puppy, i think i have a privileged position. I cant believe how it fills in so many gaps for me. So many things i thought could have been done better, have been. by an older band... hhhmmmm....NIN is timeless, if you take into acct its fkkn unoriginal. (imo) steev ----- Original Message ----- From: <andregurov@juno.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [idm] 'timeless' music (was Re: NIN?)
quoted 27 lines HA! You guys have it easy. My (new) wife won't even let me play music> HA! You guys have it easy. My (new) wife won't even let me play music > when she's home. Although she's a great sport when it comes to live > concerts. And for the record, she really likes NiN. > > J > > "iam nemo, fessus satiate videndi, suspicere in coeli > dignatur lucida templa" - Lucretius > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:33:15 -0500 Mxyzptlk <jpklein@telocity.com> > writes: > > My wife lumps all things from V/Vm to Oval to newer AE in to a > > category she > > calls "dirt music". > > jeff > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2001-08-21 05:06Steevis would also like to add that ive just done my homework. Perhaps i should learn about the
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is would also like to add that ive just done my homework. Perhaps i should learn about the band before writing about them. Bill leeb was originally william schroeder in skinny puppy from 86 onwards, and download was a project by skinny puppy anyway. Boy am i impressed. thank you for introducing me to this revelation. cheers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steev" <libel234@yahoo.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [idm] 'timeless' music (was Re: NIN?)
quoted 1 line Just thought id tell you something i found very interesting. I hadnt> Just thought id tell you something i found very interesting. I hadnt
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quoted 2 lines skinny puppy till t his last weekend. I have heard most other> skinny puppy till t his last weekend. I have heard most other > (idm+industrial stuff), but never got round to listening to skinny puppy
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quoted 10 lines friends have said that it has been done better. How wrong was I!!!!!> friends have said that it has been done better. How wrong was I!!!!! > > I cant believe how derivative everything sounds since listening to this. > FLA, NIN, Front 242, Ministry, Ring tailed snorter, lassigue bendthaus, > download the list goes on....Please bear in mind that i am a huge fan of > all the above artists, and related works and lots of much more specialised > stuff. > > But, in context of the thread, and becuase of my exposure to the bands who > have been influenced by skinnypuppy first, rather than skinny puppy, i
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quoted 44 lines i have a privileged position. I cant believe how it fills in so many gaps> i have a privileged position. I cant believe how it fills in so many gaps > for me. So many things i thought could have been done better, have been. > by an older band... > > hhhmmmm....NIN is timeless, if you take into acct its fkkn unoriginal. > (imo) > > steev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <andregurov@juno.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 4:54 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] 'timeless' music (was Re: NIN?) > > > > HA! You guys have it easy. My (new) wife won't even let me play music > > when she's home. Although she's a great sport when it comes to live > > concerts. And for the record, she really likes NiN. > > > > J > > > > "iam nemo, fessus satiate videndi, suspicere in coeli > > dignatur lucida templa" - Lucretius > > > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:33:15 -0500 Mxyzptlk <jpklein@telocity.com> > > writes: > > > My wife lumps all things from V/Vm to Oval to newer AE in to a > > > category she > > > calls "dirt music". > > > jeff > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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