quoted 7 lines From: "Anig Browl" <anig_browl@yahoo.com>
>From: "Anig Browl" <anig_browl@yahoo.com>
>
>This is a criticism I hear levelled at rap all the time by white people
>(I'm
>white, lest anyone think I'm race-baiting). Some of it is definitely sexist
>drivel, sure. But a lot of it is not meant to be taken seriously - dust off
>your sense of irony and sarcasm, folks!
Sorry I just don't find listening about big asses and popping a cap in
someone amusing. Sorry, I guess I like more sophisticated humor. I never
cared for fart jokes either.
Public Enemy on the other hand had some intelligent lyrics. They were good.
However, the overwhelming majority of hip hop that you are going to hear
out is total crap. Yes, there are some good underground releases if you
want to seek them out. I'm not interest in looking for them.
quoted 4 lines What really irritates me is to hear
>What really irritates me is to hear
>white people (in general, not in this list) dissing rap for being juvenile,
>and five minutes later saying 'that X is a dog, I wanna get some of what Y
>has in her panties, she's one hot slut!'.
That's why I made the comparison of 80s hair metal. A lot of the
videos/songs were pretty weak in the intelligence department. Dumb ass
lyrics, guitarist acting like their guitars were penises, etc. etc.
Crap music is crap music I don't care if it's "from the street" or someone's
living room.
Maybe 5% of hair rock is good, I don't care to seek it out. And I don't
care if I'm ignorant of that 5%. There's more than enough music out there
to look for.
quoted 3 lines Let's have a little context here, yes? Rap is street music, first and
>Let's have a little context here, yes? Rap is street music, first and
>foremost - you get together with some friends and a boombox (or mouth your
>beats) and boom, you have a jam session.
I think you are talking about the early 80s man. I don't see kids on
corners doing a beatbox Doug E. Fresh style.
quoted 1 line Now what do guys do while they're hanging out?
>Now what do guys do while they're hanging out?
Drink, talk about music or work. Talk about travel. I don't talk about
picking a ho or going to cap someone.
quoted 12 lines They watch the ladies go by and kill time talking about what
>They watch the ladies go by and kill time talking about what
>they'd like to get up to with them (or not). This is not a black thing, go
>hang in a white sports bar or eavesdrop on a karaoke session, and it's the
>same thing - guys getting together spend about 50% of their time
>dreaming/bragging about getting laid because it's a topic everyone can
>participate in, doesn't require much intellectual effort, compensates for
>insecurities, and passes the time. Putting on my psychological hat, it's
>one
>of those topics that offers the opportunity to bond and share stress
>without
>having to engage in much personal intimacy. You can just go with the flow
>and feel like one of the guys. Or girls, of course women do this too.
First off, I don't hang out in sports or karaoke bars. If there are some
attractive women around, yes I might mention it. I don't make degrading
comments about anybody male or female, and I certainly do not treat women
like hos. So I see a difference.
quoted 3 lines Now, given that lots of people spend lots of time thinking about getting
>Now, given that lots of people spend lots of time thinking about getting
>laid, and that it's such a handy conversation piece, is it any wonder that
>some rap showcases or satirises these conversations?
I don't usually listen to songs about sex, if I did I would listen to top 40
R & B. Is that what nearly everyone of those tunes is about? I don't
usually sit around talking about sex either. I guess it's a maturity thing
or maybe I just read too much about issues other than sex and always have
something to talk about.
quoted 14 lines Dig around a bit more,
>Dig around a bit more,
>and hear some of the many rap/r&b records about sex, the guy going on about
>what a hot lover he is and the girl saying how he talks the talk but don't
>walk the walk, or she doesn't care about his caddy, 'cause he ain't revving
>her engine, or he's saying that he needs to give his dick and his ears a
>rest while she argues that she's the queen and should always get what she
>wants. A lot of this stuff is funny as fuck, and more importantly
>*relevant*
>to what happens in people's lives. So rap is often crude and rude - guess
>what, so is sex, so are guys, so are girls. One of my radio faves used to
>be
>some tune called 'Doin' it'...on the 12 inch, it ends with the woman having
>this totally OTT orgasm while the guy finally loses and cracks up laughing
>at how they're 'gettin paid to record this shit'.
Precisely why I have no interest in listening to that SHIT! Not to mention
the music is not the slightest bit interesting.
quoted 9 lines Now, contrast this with the 'whiter' styles of rock and pop (yeah, it's a
>Now, contrast this with the 'whiter' styles of rock and pop (yeah, it's a
>meaningless generalisation, so what). How much of this consists of 'Baby I
>value you so much emotionally (can we go to bed now?)' or 'I'm never going
>to cheat on you (again)', or 'I need your love so bad (or I'll kill myself
>and everyone will blame you)'? I used to mainly listen to 'alternative
>rock'
>until about 1995 when electronics took hold of me. I was getting totally
>disenchanted with the music I'd been listening to because much of it struck
>me as emotional double-dealing, manipulative, bullshit.
The alternative rock I was listening to do seems to be of a different
caliber of what you described.
quoted 9 lines I'm not saying that rap lyrics are more 'real' than rock or pop, or that
>I'm not saying that rap lyrics are more 'real' than rock or pop, or that
>white people's music is neurotic or anything like that. My point is that
>you
>can pick on *any* genre, and find plenty of stuff to show that it is the
>province of emotional retards and losers, and that there is a deliberate
>exploitation of this by cynical producers. Every genre produces a large
>amount of awful processed-cheese filler. Most of us are into IDM because
>newer/more obscure genres aren't as much of a gravy train for copycat
>producers and wannabes as the popular ones.
It's super easy to pick on the rock and hip hop coming out today. Sure
every genre can be picked on in some degree. You can pick on anything.
quoted 1 line Equally, every genre produces its share of genius tracks.
>Equally, every genre produces its share of genius tracks.
I'm not completely sold on that. I've never heard any genius bluegrass
tunes.
quoted 5 lines I bet every one of
>I bet every one of
>you has some little pop pearl in your musical treasure chest that you are
>too cool to admit to liking in public. And if it lights up your emotional
>world, that's great - because musical (or any other) taste is not a fucking
>competition.
I don't think there is anything that I'm embarassed to say I like in public.
quoted 2 lines Being hip/down/cool/there does not mean that the music you like
>Being hip/down/cool/there does not mean that the music you like
>is better - it means that you like it more.
Wow, you must be really bored to write so much.
quoted 6 lines You will perceive other people
>You will perceive other people
>as hip to the extent that you anticipate being able to have a good
>conversation about music/movies/books with them. The real dumb asses are
>the
>ones who can't see why someone else would enjoy somthing that they
>themselves hate.
Then I guess EVERYONE in the world is a dumb ass. Obviously, there are
going to be different types of people that don't understand why someone else
likes something else. I don't think there a single person on the planet
that doesn't hate something that some else likes.
Actually this thread is really boring so off to something better........
quoted 22 lines This needn't even apply to music. I used to work with someone who always
>This needn't even apply to music. I used to work with someone who always
>showed up looking like they fell out of a fashion magazine and who thought
>Celine Dion was where it's at. We used to have arguments about about access
>to the store stereo, while our sales lady at the front thought we were
>crazy
>and tuned into sports all day. Oh yes, I definitely had the coolest record
>collection. You could chill your beer in my taste locker. But then the
>accountant always looked like a million dollars and didn't ever worry about
>paying her bills on time. The sales lady had her fun by winning practically
>every sports bet she made with my boss, chuckling that money won is twice
>as
>sweet as money earned. Who's 'right'? Nobody. Everyone wants different shit
>out of life, some people want thrills, some want comfort, some want
>company.
>Taste is just a signpost towards finding other people we are comfortable
>with. And of course, who will go to bed with us :-)
>
>My last 2 cents on this topic.
>
>Anig Browl
>
>
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