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2001-04-11 01:17Blioux .o0O(Robot_in_Disguise)O0o. [idm] fuck cycling74...
└─ 2001-04-12 21:25Lee Azzarello Re: [idm] fuck cycling74...
2001-04-11 04:56Static Beats Re: [idm] fuck cycling74...
└─ 2001-04-11 05:49Christopher Sorg Re: [idm] fuck cycling74...
└─ 2001-04-11 17:36Brian MacDonald Re: [idm] fuck cycling74...
2001-04-11 18:40Static Beats Re: [idm] fuck cycling74...
└─ 2001-04-11 19:04Christopher Sorg Re: [idm] fuck cycling74...
2001-04-11 20:03William VanLoo Re: [idm] fuck cycling74...
└─ 2001-04-11 23:47Shawn Hatfield Re: [idm] i heart cycling74
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2001-04-11 01:17Blioux .o0O(Robot_in_Disguise)O0o.check mamalala.de for the story . _ . .o0(_)0o. . . ____________________________________
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check mamalala.de for the story . _ . .o0(_)0o. . . _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-12 21:25Lee Azzarelloon 4/10/01 6:17 PM, Blioux .o0O(Robot_in_Disguise)O0o. at blioux@hotmail.com wrote: > chec
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on 4/10/01 6:17 PM, Blioux .o0O(Robot_in_Disguise)O0o. at blioux@hotmail.com wrote:
quoted 1 line check mamalala.de for the story> check mamalala.de for the story
This person has never used jMax. If he had, he wouldn't speak so highly of it. Young, naive but down with the software kids, -------------------- -l[e^2] *new { ^this.shouldNotImplement(thisMethod) } --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-11 04:56Static Beatsright. except jMax is for linux. and cycling 74's products are for mac. so my point is fuc
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right. except jMax is for linux. and cycling 74's products are for mac. so my point is fuck 'em both. go rebirth ! LOL Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com Electronic Music For The Mind ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blioux .o0O(Robot_in_Disguise)O0o." <blioux@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:17 PM Subject: [idm] fuck cycling74...
quoted 2 lines check mamalala.de for the story> check mamalala.de for the story >
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2001-04-11 05:49Christopher SorgHuh? Do you even know what Max/MSP does? It is a modular system that can do Rebirth + 1 mi
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Huh? Do you even know what Max/MSP does? It is a modular system that can do Rebirth + 1 million other things. More like go Reaktor!, only even then you don't get NATO... Perhaps if one can get PD running fairly stable without crashing. _________________________ Christopher Sorg Multimedia Artist/Teacher http://csorg.cjb.net csorg@enteract.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-11 17:36Brian MacDonaldGot PD running on my system here at work using Windows 2000. Very very nice.... for someth
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Got PD running on my system here at work using Windows 2000. Very very nice.... for something that's practically beta-freeware, surely. I haven't used it extensively (as in, left it running for hours) to know how stable or robust it really is, but it survives long enough to get some great use (i.e. render some wave files) out of it. Though I imagine it's tough to use unless you have some programming language/math/sound background in school. I just like the fact that they named an object "moses" :) (Maybe this was a hand-me-down from Max) Ultimately though, there's just no substitution for just using C/C++ to make a program to process sound for you... though something like Max or PD is a helpful to test out some mathematical ideas beforehand. ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> "Capital punishment turns the state into a murderer. But imprisonment turns the state into a gay dungeon-master." -- Emo Philips ======================================================================= On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Christopher Sorg wrote:
quoted 15 lines Perhaps if one can get PD running fairly stable without crashing.> Perhaps if one can get PD running fairly stable without crashing. > > _________________________ > Christopher Sorg > Multimedia Artist/Teacher > http://csorg.cjb.net > csorg@enteract.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-04-11 18:40Static BeatsYeah I know. It was just a joke - hence the LOL. People have made some really negative com
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Yeah I know. It was just a joke - hence the LOL. People have made some really negative comments about Rebirth here in the past so I thought it would be funny to say "Go Rebirth" as it was sure to get a lot of people inflamed before realizing I was kidding. I was annoyed at the "fuck cycling 74" comment with a link to some linux-only software. The comment and the link did not go together very well. In reading further posts this afternoon it appears that the comment was more directed at something Cycling 74 *did* and not their software or chosen platform. Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com Electronic Music For The Mind ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Sorg <csorg@enteract.com> To: Static Beats <static@staticbeats.com> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [idm] fuck cycling74...
quoted 5 lines Huh? Do you even know what Max/MSP does? It is a modular system that> Huh? Do you even know what Max/MSP does? It is a modular system that > can do Rebirth + 1 million other things. More like go Reaktor!, only even > then you don't get NATO... > > Perhaps if one can get PD running fairly stable without crashing.
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2001-04-11 19:04Christopher Sorg> Yeah I know. It was just a joke - hence the LOL. > People have made some really negative
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quoted 4 lines Yeah I know. It was just a joke - hence the LOL.> Yeah I know. It was just a joke - hence the LOL. > People have made some really negative comments about Rebirth here in the > past so I thought it would be funny to say "Go Rebirth" as it was sure to > get a lot of people inflamed before realizing I was kidding.
Well, considering I've only been on this list for about a week, I wouldn't know that. I would consider intentially starting a flame war pretty much childish and at the very least a waste of my time. I thought I'd learn something new, have some interesting discussions, etc, etc. I'll be sure and avoid being bated by moronic comments in the future.
quoted 5 lines I was annoyed at the "fuck cycling 74" comment with a link to some> I was annoyed at the "fuck cycling 74" comment with a link to some > linux-only software. The comment and the link did not go together very well. > In reading further posts this afternoon it appears that the comment was more > directed at something Cycling 74 *did* and not their software or chosen > platform.
At least this is a legitimate gripe. It seems to me that all Cycling 74 does is package and resell a product that is already in the public domain, namely PD. Apparently from the link, one of their few *actual* contributions, NATO, seems to actually have been ripped off of NN. Cycling has been announcing a PC version of Max/MSP for quite some time as well (a year at least?), and pushed back their original 2nd quarter release time, so why shouldn't be a consumer be angry? They're charging a lot for product developed by other individuals and public money. Sounds pretty fishy to me, IMHO.
quoted 25 lines Shimone/Justes> Shimone/Justes > http://www.staticbeats.com > Electronic Music For The Mind > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christopher Sorg <csorg@enteract.com> > To: Static Beats <static@staticbeats.com> > Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:49 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] fuck cycling74... > > > > Huh? Do you even know what Max/MSP does? It is a modular system that > > can do Rebirth + 1 million other things. More like go Reaktor!, only even > > then you don't get NATO... > > > > Perhaps if one can get PD running fairly stable without crashing. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-04-11 20:03William VanLooVeering off-topic...check the bottom of this e-mail for actual IDM content... > At least t
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Veering off-topic...check the bottom of this e-mail for actual IDM content...
quoted 3 lines At least this is a legitimate gripe. It seems to me that all Cycling 74> At least this is a legitimate gripe. It seems to me that all Cycling 74 > does is package and resell a product that is already in the public domain, > namely PD.
Actually, that's incorrect. From Cycling74's site: <blockquote site="http://www.cycling74.com/products/max.html"> A little historical information: Max was originally developed at IRCAM, a music research institute in Paris, France, by Miller Puckette. Max is named for Max Mathews, a pioneer of computer music who worked with Miller Puckette in developing a scheduling algorithm similar to that used in the software. Max was further developed for commercial release by David Zicarelli and published by Opcode Systems until 1999. Cycling '74, founded by Zicarelli in 1997, has been developing and supporting Max and is now its exclusive publisher. </blockquote> C74's own site clearly explains the origins of Max, so why would you make the assumption that they're trying to pull a fast one? Now as for the claim that they add no value - I'd say that's pretty ignorant. I've had Max/MSP for about a month now, and even with my limited exposure, I've been pretty overwhelmed by the quality of documentation, the completeness of objects, and the overall power of the package.
quoted 3 lines Apparently from the link, one of their few *actual*> Apparently from the link, one of their few *actual* > contributions, NATO, seems to actually have been ripped off of > NN.
NATO has nothing to do with Cycling '74 except that NATO extends Max's capabilities.
quoted 6 lines Cycling has been announcing a PC version of Max/MSP for quite some> Cycling has been announcing a PC version of Max/MSP for quite some > time as well (a year at least?), and pushed back their original 2nd > quarter release time, so why shouldn't be a consumer be angry? > They're > charging a lot for product developed by other individuals and public > money. Sounds pretty fishy to me, IMHO.
Hey, I'd rather have a working, bug-free PC version of software than a rushed-to-market rework that's full of bugs. I don't mean to come off as a C74 apologist, and I don't work for them, but I also don't like seeing decent small companies with a great product get slandered. Now, for the actual IDM content: Hrvatski was right - the new Prefuse73 is great from the MP3s I've heard. I'll be buying it as soon as it's out (on May 14, according to the Warp site). Cheers, Bill -- http://www.chromedecay.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-11 23:47Shawn Hatfieldwell said....I've been biting my tongue on this one. i have a tremendous amount of respect
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well said....I've been biting my tongue on this one. i have a tremendous amount of respect for cycling74 and am joyous at the possibilities of the Max/Msp programming environment. David and his team of programmers have developed some amazing externals for use inside Max. Are you aware that PD doesn't even scratch the surface of what Msp can do? Have you really checked out PD enough to say it's the same as Max/Msp? why don't we take a look at a comparison chart and see just how they add up shall we.... http://pd-lib.sourceforge.net/status.html seems Msp is kicking ass. maybe I'm biased because i am closer to cycling74 than your average consumer, but this also gives me an insight into the amount of work these people do to bring you one of the most amazing applications available. Twerk Shawn Hatfield At 04:03 PM 4/11/01 -0400, you wrote:
quoted 66 lines Veering off-topic...check the bottom of this e-mail for actual IDM>Veering off-topic...check the bottom of this e-mail for actual IDM >content... > > > At least this is a legitimate gripe. It seems to me that all Cycling 74 > > does is package and resell a product that is already in the public domain, > > namely PD. > >Actually, that's incorrect. From Cycling74's site: > ><blockquote site="http://www.cycling74.com/products/max.html"> > A little historical information: Max was originally developed at > IRCAM, a music research institute in Paris, France, by Miller > Puckette. Max is named for Max Mathews, a pioneer of computer > music who worked with Miller Puckette in developing a scheduling > algorithm similar to that used in the software. Max was further > developed for commercial release by David Zicarelli and > published by Opcode Systems until 1999. Cycling '74, founded by > Zicarelli in 1997, has been developing and supporting Max and is > now its exclusive publisher. ></blockquote> > >C74's own site clearly explains the origins of Max, so why would you >make the assumption that they're trying to pull a fast one? > >Now as for the claim that they add no value - I'd say that's pretty >ignorant. I've had Max/MSP for about a month now, and even with my >limited exposure, I've been pretty overwhelmed by the quality of >documentation, the completeness of objects, and the overall power of the >package. > > > Apparently from the link, one of their few *actual* > > contributions, NATO, seems to actually have been ripped off of > > NN. > >NATO has nothing to do with Cycling '74 except that NATO extends Max's >capabilities. > > > Cycling has been announcing a PC version of Max/MSP for quite some > > time as well (a year at least?), and pushed back their original 2nd > > quarter release time, so why shouldn't be a consumer be angry? > > They're > > charging a lot for product developed by other individuals and public > > money. Sounds pretty fishy to me, IMHO. > >Hey, I'd rather have a working, bug-free PC version of software than a >rushed-to-market rework that's full of bugs. > >I don't mean to come off as a C74 apologist, and I don't work for them, >but I also don't like seeing decent small companies with a great product >get slandered. > >Now, for the actual IDM content: > >Hrvatski was right - the new Prefuse73 is great from the MP3s I've >heard. I'll be buying it as soon as it's out (on May 14, according to >the Warp site). > >Cheers, > >Bill >-- >http://www.chromedecay.org > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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