well said....I've been biting my tongue on this one. i have a tremendous amount
of respect for cycling74 and am joyous at the possibilities of the Max/Msp
programming environment. David and his team of programmers have developed
some amazing externals for use inside Max. Are you aware that PD doesn't even
scratch the surface of what Msp can do? Have you really checked out PD
enough to say
it's the same as Max/Msp?
why don't we take a look at a comparison chart and see just how they add up
shall we....
http://pd-lib.sourceforge.net/status.html
seems Msp is kicking ass. maybe I'm biased because i am closer to cycling74
than
your average consumer, but this also gives me an insight into the amount of
work these people
do to bring you one of the most amazing applications available.
Twerk
Shawn Hatfield
At 04:03 PM 4/11/01 -0400, you wrote:
quoted 66 lines Veering off-topic...check the bottom of this e-mail for actual IDM
>Veering off-topic...check the bottom of this e-mail for actual IDM
>content...
>
> > At least this is a legitimate gripe. It seems to me that all Cycling 74
> > does is package and resell a product that is already in the public domain,
> > namely PD.
>
>Actually, that's incorrect. From Cycling74's site:
>
><blockquote site="http://www.cycling74.com/products/max.html">
> A little historical information: Max was originally developed at
> IRCAM, a music research institute in Paris, France, by Miller
> Puckette. Max is named for Max Mathews, a pioneer of computer
> music who worked with Miller Puckette in developing a scheduling
> algorithm similar to that used in the software. Max was further
> developed for commercial release by David Zicarelli and
> published by Opcode Systems until 1999. Cycling '74, founded by
> Zicarelli in 1997, has been developing and supporting Max and is
> now its exclusive publisher.
></blockquote>
>
>C74's own site clearly explains the origins of Max, so why would you
>make the assumption that they're trying to pull a fast one?
>
>Now as for the claim that they add no value - I'd say that's pretty
>ignorant. I've had Max/MSP for about a month now, and even with my
>limited exposure, I've been pretty overwhelmed by the quality of
>documentation, the completeness of objects, and the overall power of the
>package.
>
> > Apparently from the link, one of their few *actual*
> > contributions, NATO, seems to actually have been ripped off of
> > NN.
>
>NATO has nothing to do with Cycling '74 except that NATO extends Max's
>capabilities.
>
> > Cycling has been announcing a PC version of Max/MSP for quite some
> > time as well (a year at least?), and pushed back their original 2nd
> > quarter release time, so why shouldn't be a consumer be angry?
> > They're
> > charging a lot for product developed by other individuals and public
> > money. Sounds pretty fishy to me, IMHO.
>
>Hey, I'd rather have a working, bug-free PC version of software than a
>rushed-to-market rework that's full of bugs.
>
>I don't mean to come off as a C74 apologist, and I don't work for them,
>but I also don't like seeing decent small companies with a great product
>get slandered.
>
>Now, for the actual IDM content:
>
>Hrvatski was right - the new Prefuse73 is great from the MP3s I've
>heard. I'll be buying it as soon as it's out (on May 14, according to
>the Warp site).
>
>Cheers,
>
>Bill
>--
>http://www.chromedecay.org
>
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