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On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 07:58:00PM -0000, teardropb teardropb wrote:

quoted 2 lines what techniques do you guys employ to acheive sounds in similar vein to

> what techniques do you guys employ to acheive sounds in similar vein to > richard devine or autechre

Play with granular synthesis and lots of things modulating each other for slowly evolving sounds... Those should keep you busy for a while. -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

There are many good max/msp patches out there that do this kind of stuff. For a generic "glitchy idm sound" try this: 64 step sequencer, delay line, resonance filter, 512 band fft, granulator, output. Use 808 or 909 drum sounds. Awwww, shit! Phatt and dsp in yo face. Also, there are some Kid606 remix tracks (i.e. the NWA remixes) where he just takes the stereo sound file and runs it through a granulator, delay line, multi-band fft and a bit cruncher...automates the fuck out of the plugins and presses play...sounds good tho. -l on 1/9/01 12:10 PM, atomly at atomly@atomly.com wrote:

quoted 6 lines On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 07:58:00PM -0000, teardropb teardropb wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 07:58:00PM -0000, teardropb teardropb wrote: >> what techniques do you guys employ to acheive sounds in similar vein to >> richard devine or autechre > > Play with granular synthesis and lots of things modulating each other > for slowly evolving sounds... Those should keep you busy for a while.

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I think this is the reason why 'pure' IDM is gradually losing my interest. I can't remember the last IDM record that truly moved me. I take it back Arovane's Tides moved me. We all have access to the same toolset now, and derivation is running rampant, with myself being one of the contributors. I'm not sure what to think actually. I don't know whether to be thrilled or depressed with this 'paradigm shift' of music creation (or any creation involving digital tools) we ar witnessing. And I type this as I watch the Apple Keynote showcasing the sick sick new G4 powerbooks (who doesn't want one of these?), including a clip of electronic music artist BT saying something about eveyone being able to make music now... is there such a thing as too much creation? Too much content? Are any of you guys' musical passions becoming desensitized due to this media blitzkrieg? just wondering nate On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Lee Azzarello wrote:

quoted 31 lines There are many good max/msp patches out there that do this kind of stuff.

> There are many good max/msp patches out there that do this kind of stuff. > For a generic "glitchy idm sound" try this: 64 step sequencer, delay line, > resonance filter, 512 band fft, granulator, output. Use 808 or 909 drum > sounds. Awwww, shit! Phatt and dsp in yo face. Also, there are some Kid606 > remix tracks (i.e. the NWA remixes) where he just takes the stereo sound > file and runs it through a granulator, delay line, multi-band fft and a bit > cruncher...automates the fuck out of the plugins and presses play...sounds > good tho. > > -l > > on 1/9/01 12:10 PM, atomly at atomly@atomly.com wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 07:58:00PM -0000, teardropb teardropb wrote: > >> what techniques do you guys employ to acheive sounds in similar vein to > >> richard devine or autechre > > > > Play with granular synthesis and lots of things modulating each other > > for slowly evolving sounds... Those should keep you busy for a while. > > > > -l[e^2] > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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there can never such a thing as too much creation. all it will do is accelerate the evolution of the state-of-the-art. if everybody grabs a laptop and starts sounding like autechre, somebody will eventually filter up to the top of the pile, and then everybody will start trying to sound like them... the problem arises when everybody thinks that the only way to "succeed" at making music is by finding the official autechre max patch. it's ridiculous ... the american breakbeat compilation is 2 cd's of completely undiscernable garbage. the morr music comp has like 3 tracks on it that stand out from the rest, and everything else is completely interchangable. but the instant something fresh comes along, we will all know it because everybody will recognize it. anyway ... don't blame the toolkit, blame the lack of imagination on the part of the users. -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, n:h wrote:

quoted 64 lines I think this is the reason why 'pure' IDM is gradually losing my interest.

> > I think this is the reason why 'pure' IDM is gradually losing my interest. > > I can't remember the last IDM record that truly moved me. I take it back > Arovane's Tides moved me. > > We all have access to the same toolset now, and derivation is running > rampant, with myself being one of the contributors. I'm not sure what to > think actually. I don't know whether to be thrilled or depressed with this > 'paradigm shift' of music creation (or any creation involving digital > tools) we ar witnessing. And I type this as I watch the Apple Keynote > showcasing the sick sick new G4 powerbooks (who doesn't want one of > these?), including a clip of electronic music artist BT saying something > about eveyone being able to make music now... > > is there such a thing as too much creation? Too much content? Are any of > you guys' musical passions becoming desensitized due to this media > blitzkrieg? > > just wondering > > nate > > > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Lee Azzarello wrote: > > > There are many good max/msp patches out there that do this kind of stuff. > > For a generic "glitchy idm sound" try this: 64 step sequencer, delay line, > > resonance filter, 512 band fft, granulator, output. Use 808 or 909 drum > > sounds. Awwww, shit! Phatt and dsp in yo face. Also, there are some Kid606 > > remix tracks (i.e. the NWA remixes) where he just takes the stereo sound > > file and runs it through a granulator, delay line, multi-band fft and a bit > > cruncher...automates the fuck out of the plugins and presses play...sounds > > good tho. > > > > -l > > > > on 1/9/01 12:10 PM, atomly at atomly@atomly.com wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 07:58:00PM -0000, teardropb teardropb wrote: > > >> what techniques do you guys employ to acheive sounds in similar vein to > > >> richard devine or autechre > > > > > > Play with granular synthesis and lots of things modulating each other > > > for slowly evolving sounds... Those should keep you busy for a while. > > > > > > > > -l[e^2] > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 04:07:20PM -0500, n:h wrote:

quoted 12 lines We all have access to the same toolset now, and derivation is running

> We all have access to the same toolset now, and derivation is running > rampant, with myself being one of the contributors. I'm not sure what to > think actually. I don't know whether to be thrilled or depressed with this > 'paradigm shift' of music creation (or any creation involving digital > tools) we ar witnessing. And I type this as I watch the Apple Keynote > showcasing the sick sick new G4 powerbooks (who doesn't want one of > these?), including a clip of electronic music artist BT saying something > about eveyone being able to make music now... > > is there such a thing as too much creation? Too much content? Are any of > you guys' musical passions becoming desensitized due to this media > blitzkrieg?

This is the most elitist idea I've heard in a long time... You're essentially saying that only rich people should be able to make music (I know that you may not have intended it this way, but that's how it's coming out). People made all these same arguments when cheap 4 track recorders came out and I'd say that those only served to help out music. You think punk or indie would've ever happened if bands couldn't record themselves? I will put this theory forward: As the monetary level of entry to music decreases, the worst music will be worse than previously, but the best music will also be better than previously... I can put up with having two bad Autechre ripoffs if it means that somebody as revolutionary as Autechre also comes along at some point. -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Not sure where you get that I imply 'that only rich people should be able to make music'. I did not mean to come off as elitist, the people on this list who know me know that's the farthest thing from my mind. In fact I am a huge propenent of the notion of putting the means of creation within everyone's reach. The point I was trying to make was that *there is simply so much to hear, see and experience*, in all media right now, I can't keep up. What's more the ratio of orginality vs. derivation (with reagrd to digital art) is snowballing in favor if derivation. And yes the argument of 'there will always be crap, filter it to find the gems' is a valid one. But I feel like more and more of our intuitive creation processes are being broken down into mathematical formulas, which I just don't 'feel' the way I did when I heard the first IDM type records 10 years ago. Who knows, perhaps I am just tired of IDM and need new highs... Part of my frustration is also based on the fact that as an art director working in the web industry, I see the exact same thing happening in that visual medium. Everyone craps their pants about the funkstorung and Schematic web sites, when both of them use every Flash formula in the book; formulas, like Max/MSP patches, which can downloaded from the web and used. All those little tricks on Funkstrong.com were taken from Josh Davis @ praystation.com. WHat's more, Josh freely distributes all these scripts, which is cool (going back to the whole idea of sharing/power to the people/whatever); in fact I used the dragg-able palette script in my own site! But the truth is, while I appreciate the technical aspects of funkstorung.com, or barneys.com, or one9ine.com (or any of the dozens of these types of sites), they don't *move* me. www.elixirstudios.com is about the only one of these sites I am truly moved by, because it is so smartly built, the concepts are just as strong as the execution...he's one of the gems I suppose sorry to go off on a web design tangent... I guess I am suffering from little 'digital arthritis' (anything that can be digital will be), and am not entirely convinced that all this 'sharing' is really helping things, at least in terms of making art with staying power, even when I am guilty of being one of the perpetrators... nate On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, atomly wrote:

quoted 41 lines On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 04:07:20PM -0500, n:h wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 04:07:20PM -0500, n:h wrote: > > We all have access to the same toolset now, and derivation is running > > rampant, with myself being one of the contributors. I'm not sure what to > > think actually. I don't know whether to be thrilled or depressed with this > > 'paradigm shift' of music creation (or any creation involving digital > > tools) we ar witnessing. And I type this as I watch the Apple Keynote > > showcasing the sick sick new G4 powerbooks (who doesn't want one of > > these?), including a clip of electronic music artist BT saying something > > about eveyone being able to make music now... > > > > is there such a thing as too much creation? Too much content? Are any of > > you guys' musical passions becoming desensitized due to this media > > blitzkrieg? > > This is the most elitist idea I've heard in a long time... You're > essentially saying that only rich people should be able to make music > (I know that you may not have intended it this way, but that's how it's > coming out). > > People made all these same arguments when cheap 4 track recorders came > out and I'd say that those only served to help out music. You think > punk or indie would've ever happened if bands couldn't record > themselves? > > I will put this theory forward: As the monetary level of entry to music > decreases, the worst music will be worse than previously, but the best > music will also be better than previously... I can put up with having > two bad Autechre ripoffs if it means that somebody as revolutionary as > Autechre also comes along at some point. > > -- > :: atomly :: > > atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com > http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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it's exactly the same problem as the 10,000 jokers with electric guitars in their garages, wailing away trying to be the next nirvana or limp bizkit or whatever ... once the tools are readily available people will start picking them up and trying to become craftsmen. it's easy as hell to download a granulation patch and start making a racket and "sound like autechre" but the key to real Quality (in the Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenence sense of the word) is not the tools, but the creative impulse behind their use. If you just try to sound like Autechre, chances are you will come up with a reasonable facsimile of an Autechre sound. But the thing that people should remember when they are trying to be "the next Autechre" is that Autechre did not become the touchstone of IDM by trying to be "the next Aphex Twin" ... they came at it with a completely individual approach and a distinctive sound. Anyway, with regard to filtering for Quality: that's what this list is for... when "the next Autechre" does finally appear, you'll probably hear about it here. -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

good points Josh, I guess that's what's kept me here all these years! happy listening... nate On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Josh Davison wrote:

quoted 24 lines it's exactly the same problem as the 10,000 jokers with electric guitars

> it's exactly the same problem as the 10,000 jokers with electric guitars > in their garages, wailing away trying to be the next nirvana or limp > bizkit or whatever ... once the tools are readily available people will > start picking them up and trying to become craftsmen. > > it's easy as hell to download a granulation patch and start making a > racket and "sound like autechre" but the key to real Quality (in the Zen > and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenence sense of the word) is not the tools, > but the creative impulse behind their use. If you just try to sound like > Autechre, chances are you will come up with a reasonable facsimile of an > Autechre sound. But the thing that people should remember when they are > trying to be "the next Autechre" is that Autechre did not become the > touchstone of IDM by trying to be "the next Aphex Twin" ... they came at > it with a completely individual approach and a distinctive sound. > > Anyway, with regard to filtering for Quality: that's what this list is > for... when "the next Autechre" does finally appear, you'll probably hear > about it here. > > -- > String Theory : Digital Music for Humans > http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi > >

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quoted 1 line I think this is the reason why 'pure' IDM is gradually losing my interest.

> I think this is the reason why 'pure' IDM is gradually losing my interest.

quoted 2 lines I can't remember the last IDM record that truly moved me. I take it back

> I can't remember the last IDM record that truly moved me. I take it back > Arovane's Tides moved me.

If you listen to IDM to be emotionally moved, might I respectfully suggest that you check out other genres of music. I can't speak for the rest of the folks here, but to me emotion just isn't the point of IDM, and complaining about it is even more pointless. You may as well criticize Gregorian chant for its lack of rhythm, Rap for its lack of grammar, or Punk for its lack of harmony. The Arovanes and Bolas are the exceptions, not the core of IDM. It's the sounds and rhythms that make it IDM, not the fine melodic lines. So much of the criticism on this list is like asking why oranges can't be red like apples; the existence of a few red oranges doesn't make the criticism any more valid. -Ed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 02:47 PM 1/9/2001 -0800, Ed Hall wrote:

quoted 18 lines "n:h" <nate@toshoklabs.com> wrote:

>"n:h" <nate@toshoklabs.com> wrote: > > I think this is the reason why 'pure' IDM is gradually losing my interest. > > > I can't remember the last IDM record that truly moved me. I take it back > > Arovane's Tides moved me. > >If you listen to IDM to be emotionally moved, might I respectfully suggest >that you check out other genres of music. I can't speak for the rest of >the folks here, but to me emotion just isn't the point of IDM, and complaining >about it is even more pointless. You may as well criticize Gregorian chant >for its lack of rhythm, Rap for its lack of grammar, or Punk for its lack >of harmony. > >The Arovanes and Bolas are the exceptions, not the core of IDM. It's the >sounds and rhythms that make it IDM, not the fine melodic lines. So much >of the criticism on this list is like asking why oranges can't be red like >apples; the existence of a few red oranges doesn't make the criticism any >more valid.

i respectfully disagree, but only a little. i think a lot of the "emotionless" idm is intentionally "colder" and "emotionless" as its emotion. i personally find a void of emotion to be sometimes as emotional as, well, very emotional tracks. plus, people get different emotions triggered in different ways. sure, there's no doubt that most people hear a tinge of melancholy in boards of canada, but some people prefer colder and more "empty" music to the "lush" music. i think this ties into the other bit, about "too much idm." previously, when there was very little, i think there was a lot of "wow" factor associated with "idm." which served as the emotional bit that people liked. now there's so much, that you really do have a choice in what you can listen to. before, it was, what, aphex twin, autechre, black dog, and other warp artists, with a few scattered people doing things that were similar (and subsequently making the genre as big as it is now). i think it's just that we've heard all of it before, so the "wow" factor is lost, and we look for something more. which is when we realize that most of it is still *just music*. cool music, but still only music. ah well. too many "quotes" :D then there's the "boring" idm. there's a lot more of this now too. but there's a lot more "idm" in general, so that's to be expected. cheers, /derek - - - - - Alice could not help her lips curing up into a smile as she began: "Do you know, I always thought Unicorns were fabulous monsters, too! I never saw one alive before!" "Well, now that we HAVE seen each other," said the Unicorn, "if you'll believe in me, I'll believe in you. Is that a bargain?" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

CAN YOU SAY IGNANT? At 06:13 PM 1/9/2001 -0500, n:h wrote:

quoted 93 lines Not sure where you get that I imply 'that only rich people should be able

>Not sure where you get that I imply 'that only rich people should be able >to make music'. > >I did not mean to come off as elitist, the people on this list who know me >know that's the farthest thing from my mind. In fact I am a huge propenent >of the notion of putting the means of creation within everyone's reach. > >The point I was trying to make was that *there is simply so much to hear, >see and experience*, in all media right now, I can't keep up. What's more >the ratio of orginality vs. derivation (with reagrd to digital art) is >snowballing in favor if derivation. And yes the argument of 'there will >always be crap, filter it to find the gems' is a valid one. But I feel >like more and more of our intuitive creation processes are being broken >down into mathematical formulas, which I just don't 'feel' the way I did >when I heard the first IDM type records 10 years ago. Who knows, perhaps I >am just tired of IDM and need new highs... > >Part of my frustration is also based on the fact that as an art director >working in the web industry, I see the exact same thing happening in that >visual medium. Everyone craps their pants about the funkstorung and >Schematic web sites, when both of them use every Flash formula in the >book; formulas, like Max/MSP patches, which can downloaded from the web >and used. All those little tricks on Funkstrong.com were taken from Josh >Davis @ praystation.com. WHat's more, Josh freely distributes all these >scripts, which is cool (going back to the whole idea of sharing/power to >the people/whatever); in fact I used the dragg-able palette script in my >own site! But the truth is, while I appreciate the technical aspects of >funkstorung.com, or barneys.com, or one9ine.com (or any of the dozens of >these types of sites), they don't *move* me. > >www.elixirstudios.com is about the only one of these sites I am truly >moved by, because it is so smartly built, the concepts are just as strong >as the execution...he's one of the gems I suppose > >sorry to go off on a web design tangent... > >I guess I am suffering from little 'digital arthritis' (anything that can >be digital will be), and am not entirely convinced that all this 'sharing' >is really helping things, at least in terms of making art with staying >power, even when I am guilty of being one of the perpetrators... > >nate > > > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, atomly wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 04:07:20PM -0500, n:h wrote: > > > We all have access to the same toolset now, and derivation is running > > > rampant, with myself being one of the contributors. I'm not sure what to > > > think actually. I don't know whether to be thrilled or depressed with > this > > > 'paradigm shift' of music creation (or any creation involving digital > > > tools) we ar witnessing. And I type this as I watch the Apple Keynote > > > showcasing the sick sick new G4 powerbooks (who doesn't want one of > > > these?), including a clip of electronic music artist BT saying something > > > about eveyone being able to make music now... > > > > > > is there such a thing as too much creation? Too much content? Are any of > > > you guys' musical passions becoming desensitized due to this media > > > blitzkrieg? > > > > This is the most elitist idea I've heard in a long time... You're > > essentially saying that only rich people should be able to make music > > (I know that you may not have intended it this way, but that's how it's > > coming out). > > > > People made all these same arguments when cheap 4 track recorders came > > out and I'd say that those only served to help out music. You think > > punk or indie would've ever happened if bands couldn't record > > themselves? > > > > I will put this theory forward: As the monetary level of entry to music > > decreases, the worst music will be worse than previously, but the best > > music will also be better than previously... I can put up with having > > two bad Autechre ripoffs if it means that somebody as revolutionary as > > Autechre also comes along at some point. > > > > -- > > :: atomly :: > > > > atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com > > http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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At 05:49 PM 1/9/2001 -0800, sprek@soundmangle.com wrote:

quoted 3 lines "www.elixirstudios.com is about the only one of these sites I am truly

>"www.elixirstudios.com is about the only one of these sites I am truly >moved by, because it is so smartly built, the concepts are just as strong >as the execution...he's one of the gems I suppose"

This site is really horrible IMO. "Everyone craps their pants about the funkstorung and Schematic web sites, when both of them use every Flash formula in the book; formulas, like Max/MSP patches, which can downloaded from the web and used. All those little tricks on Funkstrong.com were taken from Josh Davis @ praystation.com. " I think that tutorials for Flash are a godsend, they help me to understand the creation process and therefore add my own creativity and design to those procedures. As Leekon has done with the Schematic and Funkstörung sites(not to mention the BetaBodega site http://www.betabodega.de/). Its hard to be original in flash with action scripting seeing how most of it has already been done. Its like html, it being the structure of what holds your design together. Its all in the hands of the creator. Allot of people might say my music and designs suck, I could care less, i dont do this shit to impress you twits, I do it for my own personal reasons, wether it be fun, or emotional outbursting. but, hey...if you like it, kewl..more power to you. umm, okay...I'm gonna shut up now, I dont want to sound like an idiot now do i. Sprek http://spit.to/onesick --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 7 lines At 05:49 PM 1/9/2001 -0800, sprek@soundmangle.com wrote:

>At 05:49 PM 1/9/2001 -0800, sprek@soundmangle.com wrote: >I think that tutorials for Flash are a godsend, they help me to >understand the creation process and therefore add my own creativity >and design to those procedures. As Leekon has done with the >Schematic and Funkstörung sites(not to mention the BetaBodega site >http://www.betabodega.de/). Its hard to be original in flash with >action scripting seeing how most of it has already been done.

emm, has "it's hard to be original" ever been an excuse in the arts ? the possibilities for creativity (and art needn't be anything else) are always infinite. and what with all this talk of "i'm too cool for mediocre music", this is precisely the attitude that makes, well, art that isn't particularly original. now i don't want to rag on unoriginal art--although it does not seem to be very important to culture, it is incredibly valuable to recognizing, nay, creating a scene/movement (autechre alone are musical outcasts--autechre with ae-clones are pioneers). who are all you people complaining that every musician can't be brilliant ? great, if everybody in the idm scene were as talented (and prolific) as aphex, then there would be about 50 top-quality tracks written every day. and your complaint is that you sift through too much stuff ? witness, as normally excellent works become a nuissance. it happens quite easily. what, then, is 'bad' about 'bad music' ? if you don't like unoriginal tracks, unsubscribe from this list and wait till someone in the scene rises out of it. the whole point of a scene is that you stick with this style, you listen to as many of its artists as you can, and you help the good ones rise. it's a big job. well, now that i've totally ruined the definition of 'bad'-- ! .af. ps; if you liked the post, you'll LOVE the soundtrack ! mp3.com/aeflo thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

well to add to this thread briefly... I would say it's all fine and dandy to use whatever you find on a Flash tutorial website but if you're just going to take your concepts and replicate them in different ways several times - does that make you a good designer? http://www.schematic.com looks strikingly similar to http://www.betabodega.de/ which looks a lot like http://www.funkstorung.com I dunno, I think what seperates a good designer from a *great* designer is the ability to evolve and constantly produce NEW ideas. Which isn't to say those sites aren't nice just that they are a bit formulaic. Then of course there is the Designers Republic who somehow manage to replicate *and* innovate. Everything they make has that distinct DR feel to it and yet stays original, fresh and new. anyhow, just my 2 cents. Shimone http://www.staticbeats.com Electronic Music For the Mind [Original Message] Subject: Re: [idm] kyma/autechre/richard devine

quoted 5 lines At 05:49 PM 1/9/2001 -0800, sprek@soundmangle.com wrote:

> At 05:49 PM 1/9/2001 -0800, sprek@soundmangle.com wrote: > >"www.elixirstudios.com > > This site is really horrible IMO. >

All those little tricks on Funkstrong.com were taken from Josh

quoted 8 lines Davis @ praystation.com. "

> Davis @ praystation.com. " > > I think that tutorials for Flash are a godsend, >As Leekon has done with the Schematic and Funkstörung > sites(not to mention the BetaBodega site http://www.betabodega.de/). Its > hard to be original in flash with action scripting seeing how most of it > has already been done. >

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quoted 2 lines http://www.sche

> http://www.schematic.com looks strikingly similar to > http://www.betabodega.de/ which looks a lot like

http://www.funkstorung.com That's because they were all made by the same designer. The said designer (Leekon) also happens to record under the name Swap for Musik Aus Strom. Ed :::::: Future Funk & Fury :::::: ::: http://www.nubreaks.com ::: --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

... and the name of the design group is designers republic (programmed by kleber -mostly) www.kleber.co.uk www.thedesignersrepublic.com they do the lots of warp an r& s design NuBreaks schrieb:

quoted 16 lines Static Beats static@staticbeats.com said:

> Static Beats static@staticbeats.com said: > > > http://www.schematic.com looks strikingly similar to > > http://www.betabodega.de/ which looks a lot like > http://www.funkstorung.com > > That's because they were all made by the same designer. The said designer > (Leekon) also happens to record under the name Swap for Musik Aus Strom. > > Ed > :::::: Future Funk & Fury :::::: > ::: http://www.nubreaks.com ::: > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 2 lines ... and the name of the design group is designers republic (programmed by

>... and the name of the design group is designers republic (programmed by >kleber -mostly)

What? I like schematic's site and all, but that don't look DR at all. its not _that_ good... I stopped reading neo.dr a while ago so maybe I'm wrong, but i am 99% sure that DR had nothing to do with these sites. -- - Jeremy /"\ khfsaklhfSPGDooo ascii ribbon campaign \ / "I Hate Boy Dog Gun" against HTML email X 27 is the new 23 / \ "The original is unfaithful to the translation." - JLB --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

"but i am 99% sure that DR had nothing to do with these sites." Mr. Pike himself my friend. I know for a fact he did the designs on the Funkstörung web site..it says so. "basic design by: thedesignersrepublic." just thought I'd say that. I personally like the Rephlex site, nice and simple..to the point. But if you really want to get out of the flash sites and into some crazy java shit...well, Discover the world of Bodenstandig 2000, a multisensory experience you will never forget! –. http://www.bodenstaendig.de/2000/ns4.html?e or some fun over at http://www.sodaplay.com/ . but when it comes down to the nitty gritty, Vr2L gets my vote for web site of the years( http://www.vir2l.com/ ) honorable mention: http://www.digitalorganism.com/ http://www.planetquake.com/killjoy/ http://www.amoebacorp.com http://www.halfproject.com/ http://www.yugop.com/ver2/ yah yah, the list goes on and on. peas Sprek http://spit.to/onesick and soon to be released http://members.tripod.co.uk/Sprek/index.htm (new URL coming soon....please excuse the banner.) At 04:51 PM 1/10/2001 -0500, Jeremy Axon wrote:

quoted 20 lines ... and the name of the design group is designers republic (programmed by

>>... and the name of the design group is designers republic (programmed by >>kleber -mostly) > >What? I like schematic's site and all, but that don't look DR at all. its >not _that_ good... >I stopped reading neo.dr a while ago so maybe I'm wrong, but i am 99% sure >that DR had nothing to do with these sites. > >-- >- >Jeremy /"\ >khfsaklhfSPGDooo ascii ribbon campaign \ / >"I Hate Boy Dog Gun" against HTML email X >27 is the new 23 / \ >"The original is unfaithful to the translation." - JLB > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 5 lines "but i am 99% sure that DR had nothing to do with these sites."

> "but i am 99% sure that DR had nothing to do with these sites." > >Mr. Pike himself my friend. I know for a fact he did the designs on >the Funkstörung web site..it says so. "basic design by: >thedesignersrepublic." just thought I'd say that.

oops. my bad. i know they (tdr) did the Funkstörung site, but the schematic site? no way. even if ian anderson himself walks up to me and says "Jeremy, we did the Schematic web site" I won't believe it. -- -- Jeremy Axon www.objectools.com 243 College St. Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5T 1R5 416.955.0856 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i find most flash design to be pretty boring. i'm just tired of the shit. most graphic design is pretty crappy too now. there's just too many. i'm not gonna sit here and tell you i'm super design god guy, but i try (when not in the ecommce office) to make digital art, rather than web design. if you haven't already, check out www.greyscale.net this guy is nuts. beautiful stuff, really. and www.evilpupil.com ... alway tight. although i like their previous content better than this version. i like design talk. and TDR is awesome. sure they like those cliche angled objects and arrows, but they do it right and they do it well. if you need graphic design let me know. i'll be happy to work on stuff right now. if it's for a small record label or somethiung, i'd be down to figure out trade for pay thing. a. "Musicians . . . own music because music owns them." Virgil Thomson (1896 - 1989) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Totally, I agree. check out www.elementum.com , they have allot of the craziest sites I have ever seen reviewed and catalogued. Also from what I hear, Designers Republic isn't as original as they seem to be....turns out japan has been designing this way for years now, but their always 20 steps ahead of us over here in the states. peas, Sprek http://spit.to/onesick At 01:55 PM 1/10/2001 -0800, alland[byallo] wrote:

quoted 31 lines i find most flash design to be pretty boring.

>i find most flash design to be pretty boring. >i'm just tired of the shit. >most graphic design is pretty crappy too now. >there's just too many. >i'm not gonna sit here and tell you i'm super design god guy, >but i try (when not in the ecommce office) to make digital art, rather than >web design. >if you haven't already, check out www.greyscale.net >this guy is nuts. beautiful stuff, really. >and www.evilpupil.com ... alway tight. although i like their previous >content better than this version. > >i like design talk. > >and TDR is awesome. sure they like those cliche angled objects and arrows, >but they do it right and they do it well. > >if you need graphic design let me know. >i'll be happy to work on stuff right now. >if it's for a small record label or somethiung, i'd be down to figure out >trade for pay thing. > >a. > >"Musicians . . . own music because music owns them." >Virgil Thomson (1896 - 1989) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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http://www.shift.jp.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <sprek@soundmangle.com> To: "alland[byallo]" <alland@humbledesign.com>; "idm.list" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [idm] website design (was kyma/autechre/richard devine)

quoted 18 lines Totally, I agree.

> Totally, I agree. > check out www.elementum.com , they have allot of the craziest sites I have > ever seen reviewed and catalogued. Also from what I hear, Designers > Republic isn't as original as they seem to be....turns out japan has been > designing this way for years now, but their always 20 steps ahead of us > over here in the states. > > peas, > Sprek > http://spit.to/onesick > > At 01:55 PM 1/10/2001 -0800, alland[byallo] wrote: > >i find most flash design to be pretty boring. > >i'm just tired of the shit. > >most graphic design is pretty crappy too now. > >there's just too many. > >i'm not gonna sit here and tell you i'm super design god guy, > >but i try (when not in the ecommce office) to make digital art, rather

than

quoted 9 lines web design.

> >web design. > >if you haven't already, check out www.greyscale.net > >this guy is nuts. beautiful stuff, really. > >and www.evilpupil.com ... alway tight. although i like their previous > >content better than this version. > > > >i like design talk. > > > >and TDR is awesome. sure they like those cliche angled objects and

arrows,

quoted 22 lines but they do it right and they do it well.

> >but they do it right and they do it well. > > > >if you need graphic design let me know. > >i'll be happy to work on stuff right now. > >if it's for a small record label or somethiung, i'd be down to figure out > >trade for pay thing. > > > >a. > > > >"Musicians . . . own music because music owns them." > >Virgil Thomson (1896 - 1989) > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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ok. contest is opened ;))) http://www.mtv2.co.uk/ http://www.volumeone.com david schrieb:

quoted 64 lines http://www.shif

> http://www.shift.jp.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <sprek@soundmangle.com> > To: "alland[byallo]" <alland@humbledesign.com>; "idm.list" > <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 4:55 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] website design (was kyma/autechre/richard devine) > > > Totally, I agree. > > check out www.elementum.com , they have allot of the craziest sites I have > > ever seen reviewed and catalogued. Also from what I hear, Designers > > Republic isn't as original as they seem to be....turns out japan has been > > designing this way for years now, but their always 20 steps ahead of us > > over here in the states. > > > > peas, > > Sprek > > http://spit.to/onesick > > > > At 01:55 PM 1/10/2001 -0800, alland[byallo] wrote: > > >i find most flash design to be pretty boring. > > >i'm just tired of the shit. > > >most graphic design is pretty crappy too now. > > >there's just too many. > > >i'm not gonna sit here and tell you i'm super design god guy, > > >but i try (when not in the ecommce office) to make digital art, rather > than > > >web design. > > >if you haven't already, check out www.greyscale.net > > >this guy is nuts. beautiful stuff, really. > > >and www.evilpupil.com ... alway tight. although i like their previous > > >content better than this version. > > > > > >i like design talk. > > > > > >and TDR is awesome. sure they like those cliche angled objects and > arrows, > > >but they do it right and they do it well. > > > > > >if you need graphic design let me know. > > >i'll be happy to work on stuff right now. > > >if it's for a small record label or somethiung, i'd be down to figure out > > >trade for pay thing. > > > > > >a. > > > > > >"Musicians . . . own music because music owns them." > > >Virgil Thomson (1896 - 1989) > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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ahh, don't make me do it.... www.k10k.net www.skilla.com www.threeoh.com www.chapter3.net www.cemgul.com www.linkdup.com www.h73.com www.blastradius.com http://www.extralucky.com/ http://www.praystation.com/ http://www.angrymonkey.com/ http://www.ndroid.com/ http://www.dhky.com/ http://www.futurefarmers.com/ oh boy! david ----- Original Message ----- From: "zorn" <towerpark@web.de> To: "david" <david@psysurgeons.com> Cc: "alland[byallo]" <alland@humbledesign.com>; "idm.list" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [idm] website design (was kyma/autechre/richard devine)

quoted 19 lines ok. contest is opened ;)))

> ok. contest is opened ;))) > > http://www.mtv2.co.uk/ > http://www.volumeone.com > > > david schrieb: > > > http://www.shift.jp.org/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <sprek@soundmangle.com> > > To: "alland[byallo]" <alland@humbledesign.com>; "idm.list" > > <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 4:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [idm] website design (was kyma/autechre/richard devine) > > > > > Totally, I agree. > > > check out www.elementum.com , they have allot of the craziest sites I

have

quoted 2 lines ever seen reviewed and catalogued. Also from what I hear, Designers

> > > ever seen reviewed and catalogued. Also from what I hear, Designers > > > Republic isn't as original as they seem to be....turns out japan has

been

quoted 1 line designing this way for years now, but their always 20 steps ahead of

> > > designing this way for years now, but their always 20 steps ahead of

us

quoted 13 lines over here in the states.

> > > over here in the states. > > > > > > peas, > > > Sprek > > > http://spit.to/onesick > > > > > > At 01:55 PM 1/10/2001 -0800, alland[byallo] wrote: > > > >i find most flash design to be pretty boring. > > > >i'm just tired of the shit. > > > >most graphic design is pretty crappy too now. > > > >there's just too many. > > > >i'm not gonna sit here and tell you i'm super design god guy, > > > >but i try (when not in the ecommce office) to make digital art,

rather

quoted 16 lines than

> > than > > > >web design. > > > >if you haven't already, check out www.greyscale.net > > > >this guy is nuts. beautiful stuff, really. > > > >and www.evilpupil.com ... alway tight. although i like their previous > > > >content better than this version. > > > > > > > >i like design talk. > > > > > > > >and TDR is awesome. sure they like those cliche angled objects and > > arrows, > > > >but they do it right and they do it well. > > > > > > > >if you need graphic design let me know. > > > >i'll be happy to work on stuff right now. > > > >if it's for a small record label or somethiung, i'd be down to figure

out

quoted 22 lines trade for pay thing.

> > > >trade for pay thing. > > > > > > > >a. > > > > > > > >"Musicians . . . own music because music owns them." > > > >Virgil Thomson (1896 - 1989) > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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