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On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 11:14:21PM -0000, me makes you wrote:

quoted 3 lines wondering what the tally is for aphex stuff, ie all of it, combined

> wondering what the tally is for aphex stuff, ie all of it, combined > he must be getting up there, probrably one of or the best selling > "experimental" musician ever, after cage and the like

I'm pretty sure Aphex has outsold Cage, considering how many hits he's had in the UK. -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 11:14 PM 12/13/00 +0000, you wrote:

quoted 4 lines wondering what the tally is for aphex stuff, ie all of it, combined

>wondering what the tally is for aphex stuff, ie all of it, combined >he must be getting up there, probrably one of or the best selling >"experimental" musician ever, after cage and the like >wondering

I'm curious to see how you're defining RDJ as a n "experimental" musician. -- andrij. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines I'm curious to see how you're defining RDJ as a n

> I'm curious to see how you're defining RDJ as a n > "experimental" musician. > > -- > andrij. >

I'm curious to know what you define him as if not an "expiremental" musician... josh23 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 03:45 PM 12/13/00 -0800, you wrote:

quoted 2 lines I'm curious to know what you define him as if not an

>I'm curious to know what you define him as if not an >"expiremental" musician...

A techno artist. Though, I don't really feel like starting an arguement about whether or not RDJ is an "experimental" musician. Frankly, he's never innovated and he's never done anything completely new. What has he done besides making standard house "weird," updating Brian Eno-style ambient, and pressing "random" and up'ing the tempo on drum'n'bass? -- andrij. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

hehe....i don't want to start an argument, here's a bunch of really out there opinions, enjoy! At 08:27 PM 12/13/2000 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 14 lines At 03:45 PM 12/13/00 -0800, you wrote:

>At 03:45 PM 12/13/00 -0800, you wrote: >>I'm curious to know what you define him as if not an >>"expiremental" musician... > >A techno artist. > >Though, I don't really feel like starting an arguement about whether or >not RDJ is an "experimental" musician. Frankly, he's never innovated and >he's never done anything completely new. What has he done besides making >standard house "weird," updating Brian Eno-style ambient, and pressing >"random" and up'ing the tempo on drum'n'bass? > >-- >andrij.

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please listen to his track on the "or some computer music (issue 1)" compilation. On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, andrij kopytko wrote:

quoted 11 lines At 03:45 PM 12/13/00 -0800, you wrote:

> At 03:45 PM 12/13/00 -0800, you wrote: > >I'm curious to know what you define him as if not an > >"expiremental" musician... > > A techno artist. > > Though, I don't really feel like starting an arguement about whether or not > RDJ is an "experimental" musician. Frankly, he's never innovated and he's > never done anything completely new. What has he done besides making > standard house "weird," updating Brian Eno-style ambient, and pressing > "random" and up'ing the tempo on drum'n'bass?

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quoted 1 line Though, I don't really feel like starting an arguement about whether

> Though, I don't really feel like starting an arguement about whether

or not

quoted 1 line RDJ is an "experimental" musician. Frankly, he's never innovated and

> RDJ is an "experimental" musician. Frankly, he's never innovated and

he's

quoted 3 lines never done anything completely new. What has he done besides making

> never done anything completely new. What has he done besides making > standard house "weird," updating Brian Eno-style ambient, and pressing > "random" and up'ing the tempo on drum'n'bass?

hmm... if you're turning standard house "weird", aren't you doing something new and innovating? if you're updating enombient, aren't you still progressing? isn't that the whole point? does he have to create a whole new genre of music to be called "experimental". "experimental", imo, is trying out new things and doing them differently than others. peace, shaun --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines Though, I don't really feel like starting an arguement about whether or

>Though, I don't really feel like starting an arguement about whether or > >not >RDJ is an "experimental" musician. Frankly, he's never innovated and >he's >never done anything completely new. What has he done besides making >standard house "weird," updating Brian Eno-style ambient, and pressing >"random" and up'ing the tempo on drum'n'bass?

oh for fucks sake, lets just hate everything/body shall we....didgeridoo, when it came out was revolutionary (and i mean that with all sincerity _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 10 lines Though, I don't really feel like starting an arguement about whether or

> >Though, I don't really feel like starting an arguement about whether or > > >not > >RDJ is an "experimental" musician. Frankly, he's never innovated > and >he's > >never done anything completely new. What has he done besides making > >standard house "weird," updating Brian Eno-style ambient, and pressing > >"random" and up'ing the tempo on drum'n'bass? > > oh for fucks sake, lets just hate everything/body shall we....didgeridoo, > when it came out was revolutionary (and i mean that with all sincerity

add my sincerity as well. I've listened to didgeridoo (and other tracks included in Classics CD) much later than it was first issued and was absolutely astonished with its novelty... such level of aggression in digital sound tweakery was not existant at that time. And belive me I was more than aware of agressive (grind core, noise core) and digital (early techno like german Techno Trax comps and alike) musical scene at that time. Alien --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

"People call it experimental music, but I don't. I know what I'm doing." --Harry Partch ----- Original Message ----- From: "diverse_genders" <tofu@falco.kuci.uci.edu> To: "andrij kopytko" <ogre@netaxs.com> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [idm] aphex and sales...

quoted 13 lines please listen to his track on the "or some computer music (issue 1)"

> > please listen to his track on the "or some computer music (issue 1)" > compilation. > > On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, andrij kopytko wrote: > > > At 03:45 PM 12/13/00 -0800, you wrote: > > >I'm curious to know what you define him as if not an > > >"expiremental" musician... > > > > A techno artist. > > > > Though, I don't really feel like starting an arguement about whether or

not

quoted 1 line RDJ is an "experimental" musician. Frankly, he's never innovated and

> > RDJ is an "experimental" musician. Frankly, he's never innovated and

he's

quoted 10 lines never done anything completely new. What has he done besides making

> > never done anything completely new. What has he done besides making > > standard house "weird," updating Brian Eno-style ambient, and pressing > > "random" and up'ing the tempo on drum'n'bass? > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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sorry to sound STUPID, but i thought "pressing "random" and up'ing the tempo on drum'n'bass?" WAS innovation. by pressing "random" and up'ing the tempo on drum'n'bass" he created a new style - now THAT's innovation isn't it? Doing anything differently (ie. "making standard house "weird," and "updating Brian Eno-style ambient") is a ticket for innovation.

quoted 11 lines Though, I don't really feel like starting an arguement about whether or

> > >Though, I don't really feel like starting an arguement about whether or > > > >not > > >RDJ is an "experimental" musician. Frankly, he's never innovated > > and >he's > > >never done anything completely new. What has he done besides making > > >standard house "weird," updating Brian Eno-style ambient, and pressing > > >"random" and up'ing the tempo on drum'n'bass? > > > > oh for fucks sake, lets just hate everything/body shall >we....didgeridoo, > > when it came out was revolutionary (and i mean that with all sincerity

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--- Ian Doyle <wobbyamb@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 6 lines sorry to sound STUPID, but i thought "pressing

> sorry to sound STUPID, but i thought "pressing > "random" and up'ing the tempo > on drum'n'bass?" WAS innovation. by pressing > "random" and up'ing the tempo > on drum'n'bass" he created a new style - now THAT's > innovation isn't it?

Didn't Squarepusher do it first? Plug may have also done it before RDJ. A lot of artists did jump on that bandwagon, until they decided enough of that...let's all try and sound like Autechre now.

quoted 4 lines Doing anything differently (ie. "making standard

> Doing anything differently (ie. "making standard > house "weird," and > "updating Brian Eno-style ambient") is a ticket for > innovation.

Aphex Twin, Basic Channel, Jeff Mills and MANY others were all doing pretty innovative stuff in the early 90s. Aphex Twin's early works were all pretty brilliant, except maybe Analog Bubblebath 4. Cheers __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

but i thought "pressing

quoted 2 lines "random" and up'ing the tempo

> "random" and up'ing the tempo > on drum'n'bass?" WAS innovation.

re: this random button eveyone keeps mentioning. where is it? i really really REALLY wish i could find it, but it appears to be nowhere on any of the equipment I've seen! Is this unusual? Have I only seen faulty kit? Please help! Thanking in advance, scott P.S. appropos of nothing, bogdan raczynski rules. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

--- "Wightman, Scott W" <swwigh@essex.ac.uk> wrote:

quoted 9 lines but i thought "pressing

> but i thought "pressing > > "random" and up'ing the tempo > > on drum'n'bass?" WAS innovation. > > re: this random button eveyone keeps mentioning. > where is it? i really > really REALLY wish i could find it, but it appears > to be nowhere on any of > the equipment I've seen!

Yeah randomness, that makes the tune doesn't it <sarcasm>. If you listen and dig thru a lot of old jungle you will find a lot of pretty awesome tracks with crazy programming. And there are many tunes that are fucked up and unmixable. Speaking of being "random", you totally gave me a flashback to a conversation I had with someone a while back. This guy was talking about how IDM seems to "try to be random for the sake of it", often to the point where its no longer interesting. That's not usually my first prerequisite when buy records, it's more about melodies usually Jumping the bandwagon kicks ass!

quoted 2 lines Is this unusual? Have I only seen faulty kit?

> Is this unusual? Have I only seen faulty kit? > Please help!

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quoted 3 lines "random" and up'ing the tempo on drum'n'bass?

> > > > >"random" and up'ing the tempo on drum'n'bass? >

Personally, i dont understand this part of this thread. Last time i checked, mu-ziq, aphex, squarepusher and the like didn't sound random to me at all. Every one of those drum breaks is meticulously tracked. You can't have random, ratcheting bullshit and expect it to flow, i've tried it, it doesn't work. So what that means is that every time they change up the rythm(sometimes 1, sometimes every 2 - 4 measures), that's a new part that has to be tracked not only in relation to itself, but also in that it must flow with all the parts before and after it. There's no magic "drill&bass button". cdin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I fully agree. random drum hits just sound like chaos. squarepusher and muziq are absolutely meticulous in their track construction(at least to my ears...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon" <k-rad@swbell.net> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [idm] aphex and sales...

quoted 5 lines "random" and up'ing the tempo on drum'n'bass?

> > > > > > >"random" and up'ing the tempo on drum'n'bass? > > > > Personally, i dont understand this part of this thread. Last time i

checked, mu-ziq,

quoted 1 line aphex, squarepusher and the like didn't sound random to me at all. Every

> aphex, squarepusher and the like didn't sound random to me at all. Every

one of those

quoted 1 line drum breaks is meticulously tracked. You can't have random, ratcheting

> drum breaks is meticulously tracked. You can't have random, ratcheting

bullshit and

quoted 1 line expect it to flow, i've tried it, it doesn't work. So what that means is

> expect it to flow, i've tried it, it doesn't work. So what that means is

that every time

quoted 1 line they change up the rythm(sometimes 1, sometimes every 2 - 4 measures),

> they change up the rythm(sometimes 1, sometimes every 2 - 4 measures),

that's a new part

quoted 1 line that has to be tracked not only in relation to itself, but also in that it

> that has to be tracked not only in relation to itself, but also in that it

must flow with

quoted 9 lines all the parts before and after it.

> all the parts before and after it. > There's no magic "drill&bass button". > cdin > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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some things sound random like "noise" or "random" to some people, but are beautiful or complex and intricate to others. Its like my mom, if she heard a guns and roses song she'd say its all screaching guitar and unintelligable screaming. by little brother who likes guns and roses thinks mortician is crap because its just grinding all the same fast beat and no real lyrics. metalheads who love mortician may hear merzbow and think its just shit noise. - cutups -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Pierre <uglylikeyou@home.com> To: Jon <k-rad@swbell.net>; idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org> Date: Sunday, December 17, 2000 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [idm] aphex and sales...

quoted 44 lines I fully agree. random drum hits just sound like chaos. squarepusher and

>I fully agree. random drum hits just sound like chaos. squarepusher and >muziq are absolutely meticulous in their track construction(at least to my >ears...) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jon" <k-rad@swbell.net> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 3:17 PM >Subject: Re: [idm] aphex and sales... > > >> > >> > > > >"random" and up'ing the tempo on drum'n'bass? >> > >> >> Personally, i dont understand this part of this thread. Last time i >checked, mu-ziq, >> aphex, squarepusher and the like didn't sound random to me at all. Every >one of those >> drum breaks is meticulously tracked. You can't have random, ratcheting >bullshit and >> expect it to flow, i've tried it, it doesn't work. So what that means is >that every time >> they change up the rythm(sometimes 1, sometimes every 2 - 4 measures), >that's a new part >> that has to be tracked not only in relation to itself, but also in that it >must flow with >> all the parts before and after it. >> There's no magic "drill&bass button". >> cdin >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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