yea i had seen the BC records but didn't remember where it was...i think
there are some recs of electronic music that people from all genres buy or
find interesting: things like aphex twin, BC, CR, herbert, supercollider,
juan atkins, markant, pole, isolee etc....grüsse aus SHA,mo
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From: Drusca <andrei@world.std.com>
To: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 11:38 PM
Subject: [idm] Abrasive jazz / Squarepusher [was Re: Autechre make Jazz?
Kurt Weill and Duke Ellington, writing IDM?]
quoted 69 lines On Mon, 15 May 2000 Passenjer0@aol.com wrote:
> On Mon, 15 May 2000 Passenjer0@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Hell, there's no sin in listening to old jazz that's loud and angry.
> > Go put in "Bitch's Brew" by Davis and just listen to it descend into mad
> > grooves and angry strange funk.
>
> As far as abrasiveness, "Bitches Brew" doesn't come close to what came
> after that album. If you wanna hear Miles being REALLY abrasive check out
> "Dark Magus" and all the stuff with Pete Cosey in general. From what I
> remember "At Fillmore: Live at the Fillmore East" has some incredibly
> abrasive moments. And then there's "Rated X" off "Get Up With It", etc..
> "Live Evil" is a personal favorite.
>
> > Or put in "Sayeeda's (sp?) Song Flute" by Coltrane on repeat for an
> > hour or so and slowly go mad.
>
> Again, there's much, much more abrasive Coltrane than that. Personally I
> wouldn't call "Syeeda's Song Flute" abrasive at all. It's a really nice
> tune. Check out anything from "Sun Ship" (another personal favorite) on
> for abrasive Coltrane.
>
> > It's also be interesting to hear someone's opinion of the really
> > experimental stuff by Squarepusher <snip> who comes from an entirely
> > jazz-oriented listening background. I don't suppose anyone on here
> > fits that bill?
>
> Well, I was really deep into (listening to and playing) jazz before I ever
> got into any electronic stuff so here's what I think:
>
> Jenkinson can really play. He's a very good fusion bass player. I wouldn't
> say he has a unique voice as an improviser, he basically emulates people
> like Jaco Pastorious and Stanley Clarke, but he could definitely hold his
> own in a "real" fusion band. I also think that although his compositions
> on MIRON definitely show a lot of skill and knowledge and all that,
> they're also very emulative (mostly of early Weather Report, but also
> of early fusion-era Miles). But he's still really young and most jazz
> musicians are still in the emulative phase at his age, so he's probably
> on his way to finding his own voice. His efforts are impressive
> nonetheless.
>
> I think MIRON is OK, but for me it lacks improvisational meat. I just
> think if he's gonna do that kind of music he should include more
> improv/solos. I tend to find myself thinking after any of those fusiony
> tunes on MIRON are over "OK, what just happened there ?". There were all
> these crescendos, but nothing really happened. They didn't really lead to
> anything. Maybe his intentions were to create sound washes which the first
> Weather Report album is very much like.
>
> I actually think that some tracks from "Feed Me...","Hard Normal Daddy"
> and the Spymanina stuff show off his fusion playing and arranging skills a
> lot better than MIRON.
>
> What I find interesting is that I haven't heard anyone talk about those
> concrete pieces which make up almost half of MIRON. I'd be curious to know
> what he's been listening to. I did see one interview with him where he
> mentioned Stockhausen's "Gesang Der Junglinge".
>
> Anyway, did anyone else notice in the Jenks segment of "Modulations" that
> he had Basic Channel records laying on the floor ? I thought that was
> pretty interesting.
>
> Andrei
>
>
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