On Mon, 15 May 2000 Passenjer0@aol.com wrote:
quoted 3 lines Hell, there's no sin in listening to old jazz that's loud and angry.> Hell, there's no sin in listening to old jazz that's loud and angry.
> Go put in "Bitch's Brew" by Davis and just listen to it descend into mad
> grooves and angry strange funk.
As far as abrasiveness, "Bitches Brew" doesn't come close to what came
after that album. If you wanna hear Miles being REALLY abrasive check out
"Dark Magus" and all the stuff with Pete Cosey in general. From what I
remember "At Fillmore: Live at the Fillmore East" has some incredibly
abrasive moments. And then there's "Rated X" off "Get Up With It", etc..
"Live Evil" is a personal favorite.
quoted 2 lines Or put in "Sayeeda's (sp?) Song Flute" by Coltrane on repeat for an> Or put in "Sayeeda's (sp?) Song Flute" by Coltrane on repeat for an
> hour or so and slowly go mad.
Again, there's much, much more abrasive Coltrane than that. Personally I
wouldn't call "Syeeda's Song Flute" abrasive at all. It's a really nice
tune. Check out anything from "Sun Ship" (another personal favorite) on
for abrasive Coltrane.
quoted 4 lines It's also be interesting to hear someone's opinion of the really> It's also be interesting to hear someone's opinion of the really
> experimental stuff by Squarepusher <snip> who comes from an entirely
> jazz-oriented listening background. I don't suppose anyone on here
> fits that bill?
Well, I was really deep into (listening to and playing) jazz before I ever
got into any electronic stuff so here's what I think:
Jenkinson can really play. He's a very good fusion bass player. I wouldn't
say he has a unique voice as an improviser, he basically emulates people
like Jaco Pastorious and Stanley Clarke, but he could definitely hold his
own in a "real" fusion band. I also think that although his compositions
on MIRON definitely show a lot of skill and knowledge and all that,
they're also very emulative (mostly of early Weather Report, but also
of early fusion-era Miles). But he's still really young and most jazz
musicians are still in the emulative phase at his age, so he's probably
on his way to finding his own voice. His efforts are impressive
nonetheless.
I think MIRON is OK, but for me it lacks improvisational meat. I just
think if he's gonna do that kind of music he should include more
improv/solos. I tend to find myself thinking after any of those fusiony
tunes on MIRON are over "OK, what just happened there ?". There were all
these crescendos, but nothing really happened. They didn't really lead to
anything. Maybe his intentions were to create sound washes which the first
Weather Report album is very much like.
I actually think that some tracks from "Feed Me...","Hard Normal Daddy"
and the Spymanina stuff show off his fusion playing and arranging skills a
lot better than MIRON.
What I find interesting is that I haven't heard anyone talk about those
concrete pieces which make up almost half of MIRON. I'd be curious to know
what he's been listening to. I did see one interview with him where he
mentioned Stockhausen's "Gesang Der Junglinge".
Anyway, did anyone else notice in the Jenks segment of "Modulations" that
he had Basic Channel records laying on the floor ? I thought that was
pretty interesting.
Andrei
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