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yea i had seen the BC records but didn't remember where it was...i think there are some recs of electronic music that people from all genres buy or find interesting: things like aphex twin, BC, CR, herbert, supercollider, juan atkins, markant, pole, isolee etc....grüsse aus SHA,mo ----- Original Message ----- From: Drusca <andrei@world.std.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 11:38 PM Subject: [idm] Abrasive jazz / Squarepusher [was Re: Autechre make Jazz? Kurt Weill and Duke Ellington, writing IDM?]

quoted 69 lines On Mon, 15 May 2000 Passenjer0@aol.com wrote:

> On Mon, 15 May 2000 Passenjer0@aol.com wrote: > > > Hell, there's no sin in listening to old jazz that's loud and angry. > > Go put in "Bitch's Brew" by Davis and just listen to it descend into mad > > grooves and angry strange funk. > > As far as abrasiveness, "Bitches Brew" doesn't come close to what came > after that album. If you wanna hear Miles being REALLY abrasive check out > "Dark Magus" and all the stuff with Pete Cosey in general. From what I > remember "At Fillmore: Live at the Fillmore East" has some incredibly > abrasive moments. And then there's "Rated X" off "Get Up With It", etc.. > "Live Evil" is a personal favorite. > > > Or put in "Sayeeda's (sp?) Song Flute" by Coltrane on repeat for an > > hour or so and slowly go mad. > > Again, there's much, much more abrasive Coltrane than that. Personally I > wouldn't call "Syeeda's Song Flute" abrasive at all. It's a really nice > tune. Check out anything from "Sun Ship" (another personal favorite) on > for abrasive Coltrane. > > > It's also be interesting to hear someone's opinion of the really > > experimental stuff by Squarepusher <snip> who comes from an entirely > > jazz-oriented listening background. I don't suppose anyone on here > > fits that bill? > > Well, I was really deep into (listening to and playing) jazz before I ever > got into any electronic stuff so here's what I think: > > Jenkinson can really play. He's a very good fusion bass player. I wouldn't > say he has a unique voice as an improviser, he basically emulates people > like Jaco Pastorious and Stanley Clarke, but he could definitely hold his > own in a "real" fusion band. I also think that although his compositions > on MIRON definitely show a lot of skill and knowledge and all that, > they're also very emulative (mostly of early Weather Report, but also > of early fusion-era Miles). But he's still really young and most jazz > musicians are still in the emulative phase at his age, so he's probably > on his way to finding his own voice. His efforts are impressive > nonetheless. > > I think MIRON is OK, but for me it lacks improvisational meat. I just > think if he's gonna do that kind of music he should include more > improv/solos. I tend to find myself thinking after any of those fusiony > tunes on MIRON are over "OK, what just happened there ?". There were all > these crescendos, but nothing really happened. They didn't really lead to > anything. Maybe his intentions were to create sound washes which the first > Weather Report album is very much like. > > I actually think that some tracks from "Feed Me...","Hard Normal Daddy" > and the Spymanina stuff show off his fusion playing and arranging skills a > lot better than MIRON. > > What I find interesting is that I haven't heard anyone talk about those > concrete pieces which make up almost half of MIRON. I'd be curious to know > what he's been listening to. I did see one interview with him where he > mentioned Stockhausen's "Gesang Der Junglinge". > > Anyway, did anyone else notice in the Jenks segment of "Modulations" that > he had Basic Channel records laying on the floor ? I thought that was > pretty interesting. > > Andrei > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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