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a new pole ep on din comes out in early april called raum eins/raum zwei

I was listening to 'Deutscher Funk', and to the Pole track 'Berlin', earlier today. Basically, I was realising that I don't like it nearly so much as the 'Raum' 12". Although there's not -that- much difference between the releases (including the KiffSM one), I just really swim in both mixes of 'Raum'... Basically, what this boils down to is: does anyone know if the album is that very bass heavy, reverb soaked sound, or does it focus on the clicks? I dunno why I'm asking really, cos I'll get hold of it anyway, and I'm essentially asking someone to pin down feel more than technique, which is always a nightmare. I'm hoping that cutting BCR and Burial Mix stuff is gonna keep on rubbing off on the Pole material. I have no idea what the lag between something being released and getting hold of it on import to New Zealand is: has the Pole album actually been released? On a vaguely related note, I'm really enjoying Rhythm and Sound's 'Roll Off' 12", the beatless flip side especially. It's a fantastic take on dub in such a huge and flowing way. Yum. I think I got the name right. :-) Michael "You know what? I'll call him Jet Jaguar..." http://www.vuw.ac.nz/~michael/jj.html Site last updated 15/4/98

At 03:49 PM 7/16/98 +1200, you wrote:

quoted 11 lines I was listening to 'Deutscher Funk', and to the Pole track 'Berlin',

> >I was listening to 'Deutscher Funk', and to the Pole track 'Berlin', >earlier today. Basically, I was realising that I don't like it nearly so >much as the 'Raum' 12". Although there's not -that- much difference >between the releases (including the KiffSM one), I just really swim in >both mixes of 'Raum'... > >I have no idea what the lag between something being released and getting >hold of it on import to New Zealand is: has the Pole album actually been >released? >

The Pole album isn't out yet but, like you, i'm quite eager to get it.

quoted 4 lines On a vaguely related note, I'm really enjoying Rhythm and Sound's 'Roll

>On a vaguely related note, I'm really enjoying Rhythm and Sound's 'Roll >Off' 12", the beatless flip side especially. It's a fantastic take on dub >in such a huge and flowing way. Yum. I think I got the name right. :-) >

I whole heartedly agree with Michael's comments about the new Rhythm & Sound record. A great mix of dub and maurizio-styled techno. Definitely my favorite Rhythm & Sound label record yet and a contender for one of the top 10 of 98. If you like this one you'll like the new Main Street record too. More Maurizio magic. -->-Lance--- p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states

Michael Upton asks how the Pole album sounds like

quoted 2 lines Basically, what this boils down to is: does anyone know if the album is

> Basically, what this boils down to is: does anyone know if the album is > that very bass heavy, reverb soaked sound, or does it focus on the clicks?

Like on his debut on KIFF, Stefan focuses on both elements. The clicks are very important to him. They were the initial starting point for this project anyway. Soundwise, the album 1 sounds is similar to his ep on KIFF. I've been playing the album (2 slaps of heavy vinyl) on my deck for the last three months now. It's very worth it. Greetings from Berlin, Thaddi

hi there i heard pole's 'kirchenessen' on the radio last week and it caught me badly. is the rest of LP1/CD1 in a similar style? any similar artists? name [~] peter cozijn e-mail [~] pu@dds.nl http://huizen.dds.nl/~pu [~] homepage

peter cozijn (frame/pu) wrote:

quoted 4 lines hi there

> hi there > > i heard pole's 'kirchenessen' on the radio last week and it caught me > badly. is the rest of LP1/CD1 in a similar style? any similar artists?

as far as i know, it's Kirschen essen...that's cherry, not church. The album is awesome, get it if you liked this track Thaddi@de-bug.de

quoted 1 line STILL unable to get hold of CD1/LP1 here, but the track "Tanzen" is

>>STILL unable to get hold of CD1/LP1 here, but the track "Tanzen" is

>> included on !K7's recent double CD set "Freestyle Files - Crackers >> Delight". This is the only Pole I've heard so far - is it indicative of >> the rest of his work? I was under the impression that it was quite >> dubby? (which I cannot say of Tanzen). Well, Irene, that depends, I suppose. None of Pole's work is as dubby as Maurizio, say, or Maurizio's Rhythm & Sound projects. I detect the dub influence in Pole as being something deep and submerged (true to form for the BC/CR folks, I really can't describe Pole without resorting to acquatic metaphor). On some tracks it's no more than a shadow; on some the bassline is pretty much straight up dub, but without the rest of the instrumental/formal trappings (backbeat riddim, skank guitar scratch, etc.). To the best of my knowledge, Pole has claimed not to have directly been influenced by dub, but rather to have picked it up secondhand through his BC/CR mates.. Given the heavy dub feel of his recent live show, I'll let you debate that. Interestingly, Richie Hawtin made the same claim in a recent interview (soon to go up on Urban Sounds)--that he's never been a dub listener or enthusiast. He laughs that some PR person wrote in a press release that he'd been influenced by King Tubby, or someone, who he'd never heard of at the time. Frankly, I doubt it a bit (given how dubby Consumed/concept are), but if true, it's an interesting point: it indicates how deeply entrenched dub structures are in techno... enough so that they've left their "home genre" and migrated to an entirely new space. phil ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

On 8 Jan 99, Philip Sherburne wrote re: (idm) pole:

quoted 2 lines enough so that they've left their "home genre" and migrated to an

> enough so that they've left their "home genre" and migrated to an > entirely new space.

Hmmm, interesting take on the DUB issue. I love dub and although Tanzen* did not immediately strike me as out and out dub, on further listening due to the list's comments, it's all a question of volume :-) and once it's up and pumping that bassline most definitely has dub written all over it. I enjoy the dub elements in all kinds of music : it certainly has permeated across the board. Outstanding example is David Holmes' Slashers Revenge. Mmm! ( * for the non-Germans, "Tanzen" means "to dance") I *

Hi, On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Philip Sherburne wrote:

quoted 3 lines To the best of my knowledge, Pole has claimed not to have directly been

> To the best of my knowledge, Pole has claimed not to have directly been > influenced by dub, but rather to have picked it up secondhand through > his BC/CR mates..

not even that. I read several interviews and everytime he claims having not heard anything from BC/CR before he started working for D&M. And most (all ?) of LP1 and Raum1/Raum2 was recorded prior to that. Bye Sebastian -- Sebastian Herrfurth (seher@cs.tu-berlin.de) pages for Bernd Friedmann / Riz Maslen / Daniel Meier / DJ Krush / ... at http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~seher/music.html

On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Philip Sherburne wrote: | To the best of my knowledge, Pole has claimed not to have directly been | influenced by dub, but rather to have picked it up secondhand through | his BC/CR mates.. Given the heavy dub feel of his recent live show, | I'll let you debate that. Interestingly, Richie Hawtin made the same | claim in a recent interview (soon to go up on Urban Sounds)--that he's | never been a dub listener or enthusiast. He laughs that some PR person | wrote in a press release that he'd been influenced by King Tubby, or | someone, who he'd never heard of at the time. Frankly, I doubt it a bit | (given how dubby Consumed/concept are), but if true, it's an interesting | point: it indicates how deeply entrenched dub structures are in | techno... enough so that they've left their "home genre" and migrated to | an entirely new space. Well, it doesn't really surprise me too much. Drenching percussion in echoes, which is often what people are thinking of when they refer to dubbiness, has happened all over the show in electronic music, from Tangerine Dream to, jeez, Human League, or whatever. I think I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to my definition of dub. If it doesn't have reggae influences, but has dub effects I might say as much ("uses dub-style effects")... Having said that, yeah, there are a couple of tracks on 'CD1', including 'Tanzen', that reminds me a lot of dub. Michael ____________________________________________ "Also, he has automatic evasion devices" http://www.vuw.ac.nz/~michael/jj.html

quoted 5 lines On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Philip Sherburne wrote:

>On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Philip Sherburne wrote: > >| To the best of my knowledge, Pole has claimed not to have directly been >| influenced by dub, but rather to have picked it up secondhand through >| his BC/CR mates..

Pole's music IS dub. Whether he's aware of the rhetoric or not. I saw him live (great by the way) In a concrete room in Williamsburg. He stood behind a giant mixing desk (48 channels). He had a sampler, a laptop & some basic FX. Each sound of each tune went through it's own channel. For performance activities, he fucked w/the EQ, panning, and aux sends, bringing in delays, feedback, reverbs (it was rumoured that he had actually brought a plate w/him, although they're kind of big & I couldn't spot one) and whatnot. Closest thing to Osbourne/Scientist/Scratch/etc... imaginable. And he did it live, efectively putting a performance face on an otherwise studio craft. Can't imagine he does it much differently at home. -Våt. ____________________ Reckankreuzungsklankewerkzeuge PO BOX 382864. Cambridge, MA 02238 http://www.tiac.net/users/sheket/index.html

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<< i had an idea for some artists if they were interested. it's nothing new, and it might be a stupid idea,, i really wouldn't know right now. but i was thinking it'd be nice to make an entire comp, of artists creating good music, but sampling music they really hate. shit like old 80's stuff like warrent and new bubblegum shit that's on the radio....>> I'd like to submit some material for this project. There isn't much music that I truly hate...I've even come around to opera and country. But to go with the eighties cheez-metal idea...recently, there's been an ad on tv hawking a monster assortment of collected "Power Ballads" from 80's metal bands...all those shrieking mega-compressed cheez dramas with mind-numbingly lame lyrical content (we won't even mention the inevitable screechy, overplayed guitar solo). So, I might have to order that sucker just for this purpose. That, and Britney Spears, and The Backstreet Boys, are totally ripe for some kind of insane deconstruction. Along these same lines, the treatment given to Celine Dion's hit single from the Titanic, from the Extracted Celluloid compilation on the Illegal Art label, is deliciously disturbing. This version, with the disembodied/deconstructed voice of Celine howling through layers of warped murk and creepy strings, truly evokes the emotions of ghostly undersea horror (unlike the original). See http://www.detritus.net/illegalart/ for more info. On the kumquat front: I've just sent out another wave of free kumquat cd's to those who e-mailed me recently...check your mailbox this week. Scot Gelinas was kind enough to review kumquat for the skinny. Check it out at http://www.skinny.com/music/reviews/ By the way, (faint whiff of cross-promotion in the air), the Pole feature currently on the skinny site is definitely worth examining...the concert photos allow one to learn things about Stefan that you might not otherwise know. For example, he seems to be using a DigiTech Studio Quad effects unit. Also, he appears to have a bottle of Rolling Rock with him on stage. - Fred Church bigkumquat@aol.com http://www.thelocus.com/kumquat np: 3 Kung Fu Pieces, from Extracted Celluloid (whizzing kung fu action samples)

On 27 Jun 99, BigKumquat@aol.com wrote re: (idm) quality crap, kq cd's in mail: (re: Pole)

quoted 1 line Also, he appears to have a bottle of Rolling Rock with him on stage.

> Also, he appears to have a bottle of Rolling Rock with him on stage.

Oh, does he now? <What is Rolling Rock? ha> According to February's Muzik (okay, sorry) he is "a portly Berliner with a laptop and a bottle of beer. But what Pole lacks in spectacle, he more than makes up for in sonic satisfaction. Let him entertain you". And they give Pole2 *4* little red stars out of 5 - not bad, considering they've got Tall Paul on the cover. I * PS to Mr Kumquat : your CD has not arrived here yet, but I will let you know as soon as it does. Advance thanks.

rolling rock is a beer that's brewed right here in western pennsylvania. it's nothing special, but it's a regional favorite, and sometimes the best thing to drink when faced with a bunch of other crap. i was totally surprised to see it when i was at a store in stratford-upon-avon two years ago. didn't know it had such a worldwide demand. ObIDM:should be getting the shuttle 358 sometime this week, and some pitchcadet stuff in another shipment. hope they're as good as the list has said. On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Irene McC wrote:

quoted 7 lines On 27 Jun 99, BigKumquat@aol.com wrote re: (idm) quality crap,

> On 27 Jun 99, BigKumquat@aol.com wrote re: (idm) quality crap, > kq cd's in mail: > > (re: Pole) > > Also, he appears to have a bottle of Rolling Rock with him on stage. > > Oh, does he now? <What is Rolling Rock? ha> According to

On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Irene McC wrote:

quoted 4 lines (re: Pole)

> (re: Pole) > > Also, he appears to have a bottle of Rolling Rock with him on stage. > > Oh, does he now? <What is Rolling Rock? ha>

Crap American beer (which is actually owned by Labatt, a Canadian company that makes ever worse swill up here) that "cool" people drink. I'm surprized that someone raised on lovely German brews would be able to keep it down. :) Greg

not about beer, but... i'm a fan of pole's music, but i'm disturbed that in interviews a few months ago he was adamant about a) not wanting to DJ (and he's now doing *a lot* of DJing) and b) not wanting to start a label (and he's now started a label!). yes, people can change their minds, but one shouldn't be adamant about not wanting to do something if one might change one's mind later on ;) Andrew Duke :) Greg Clow wrote:

quoted 13 lines On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Irene McC wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Irene McC wrote: > > > (re: Pole) > > > Also, he appears to have a bottle of Rolling Rock with him on stage. > > > > Oh, does he now? <What is Rolling Rock? ha> > > Crap American beer (which is actually owned by Labatt, a Canadian company > that makes ever worse swill up here) that "cool" people drink. I'm > surprized that someone raised on lovely German brews would be able to keep > it down. :) > > Greg

quoted 6 lines i'm a fan of pole's music, but i'm disturbed that in interviews a few

> i'm a fan of pole's music, but i'm disturbed that in interviews a few > months ago he was adamant about a) not wanting to DJ (and he's > now doing *a lot* of DJing) and b) not wanting to start a label (and > he's now started a label!). yes, people can change their minds, but > one shouldn't be adamant about not wanting to do something if > one might change one's mind later on ;) Andrew Duke :)

Relax, Andrew, it'll be OK. BVL -- Sigma6 Interactive Media (a division of AppNet) / http://www.sigma6.com http://www.detroitpeoplmover.com http://www.citydetroit.com

Stefan is probably sick to the gills of german beer...his things for the american "crap" is probably akin to us US cats freaking over german beer...you know what i mean...the liquid professor

quoted 23 lines From: Greg Clow <stained@interlog.com>

>From: Greg Clow <stained@interlog.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: (idm) pole >Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:49:06 -0400 (EDT) > > > >On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Irene McC wrote: > > > (re: Pole) > > > Also, he appears to have a bottle of Rolling Rock with him on stage. > > > > Oh, does he now? <What is Rolling Rock? ha> > >Crap American beer (which is actually owned by Labatt, a Canadian company >that makes ever worse swill up here) that "cool" people drink. I'm >surprized that someone raised on lovely German brews would be able to keep >it down. :) > > >Greg > >

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On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Prof.Vast wrote:

quoted 3 lines Stefan is probably sick to the gills of german beer...his things for the

> Stefan is probably sick to the gills of german beer...his things for the > american "crap" is probably akin to us US cats freaking over german > beer...you know what i mean...the liquid professor

I vote for kitsch (as if it matters). It's hard to find a German not convinced of the inherent superiority of national product. Though if he can swill Spaten (read: shovel) or Lowenbrau, he can definitely stomach Rolling Rock. (But come to think of it, Bud (-weiser or -vor) is a cult phenom in the hip-but-clueless circles in the fatherland). Whatever. I promise my next post will be on topic. M. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's up.

quoted 8 lines not about beer, but...

> not about beer, but... > i'm a fan of pole's music, but i'm disturbed that in interviews a few > months ago he was adamant about a) not wanting to DJ (and he's > now doing *a lot* of DJing) and b) not wanting to start a label (and > he's now started a label!). yes, people can change their minds, but > one shouldn't be adamant about not wanting to do something if > one might change one's mind later on ;) Andrew Duke :) >

ha ha ha, when he was at KUCI and in a personal conversation he was adamant about not having heard Reggae music before he started making music\ hard to believe g

At 12:01 AM 7/14/99 -0700, boomboomkid wrote:

quoted 13 lines not about beer, but...

>> not about beer, but... >> i'm a fan of pole's music, but i'm disturbed that in interviews a few >> months ago he was adamant about a) not wanting to DJ (and he's >> now doing *a lot* of DJing) and b) not wanting to start a label (and >> he's now started a label!). yes, people can change their minds, but >> one shouldn't be adamant about not wanting to do something if >> one might change one's mind later on ;) Andrew Duke :) >> > >ha ha ha, when he was at KUCI and in a personal conversation >he was adamant about not having heard Reggae music before he started making >music\ >hard to believe

Was he ever adamant about not making crappy, boring dub and then adding record hiss/crackle over top of that so suckers would think it was something really special and clever? Because it'd be pretty funny if he did say that prior to writing Pole CD1.

On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Danny Freer wrote:

quoted 4 lines Was he ever adamant about not making crappy, boring dub and then adding

> Was he ever adamant about not making crappy, boring dub and then adding > record hiss/crackle over top of that so suckers would think it was > something really special and clever? Because it'd be pretty funny if he > did say that prior to writing Pole CD1.

damn i love this list! anyone ever heard the artificial intelligence comps? fuck, that shit is AMAZING! chris. music for lunchpails . wednesdays 7-9pm . kuci 88.9fm . www.kuci.org ..pain enables both the giver and the receiver..

I just got the Fat Cat Various artists remixes (008). I should have had it ages ago, but it takes a time for these things to get as far as rural England. Its excellent, and if you're even slower than me, then you should buy it now. Anyhow, a few questions: Is the Pole track a good indication of what Pole is like? Who is actually being remixed? Is there a good way of telling roughly which Fat Cat releases are good, and which ones aren't (as in reviews). They're the only idm label that surface here with any regularity, but I'm too skint to buy all their stuff on the off chance (particularly as they've put out some pants in the past), and it's hard to make a firm decision off one brief listen in a shop, while the local trance kids are hassling you to hear their new ATB 12s. Thanks. Jorkens --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 11:38 AM 1/30/2000 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 7 lines I just got the Fat Cat Various artists remixes (008). I should have had it

>I just got the Fat Cat Various artists remixes (008). I should have had it >ages ago, but it takes a time for these things to get as far as rural >England. Its excellent, and if you're even slower than me, then you should >buy it now. Anyhow, a few questions: > >Is the Pole track a good indication of what Pole is like? Who is actually >being remixed?

Pole's Various Artists remix is somewhat like his own material. His cd1 & cd2 release are more in the slow glitchy dub sound which i like much more than that remix. The original artist is a german who goes by the name Various Artists. -->-Lance--- lance@inaudible.com p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org