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Hey folks. Was really happy to get a promo copy of the US release for Drum n' Bass For Papa last night. It's due out on Sept 9 (of course this may change but then again they've waited long enough. We all know the Ninjas would've had it out back in March, right?) Can't comment on the art 'cause all I've got is a coverless double cd case w/white tray case. -bleah- Anyways, it's missing a track (can't remember which one right now) and has a remix for cut (Cut '97 remix). But the best news is they've included Plug 1,2, &3! (Although I think there's still a missing mix of Cheesy.) Here's the track listing: Disc 1: 1) Me and Mr. Jones 2) Drum 'n Bass for Papa 3) Cut 97 remix 4) Feelings 5) I Freak Techniques 6) Delicious 7) DBC 8) Maker of All 9) A Subtle Blend Disc 2: 1) 6.07 2) 7.04 (This should be 7.44) 3) 7.10 4) 3.41 5) Military Jazz 6) Pitch Bender 7) Cheesy (Gigolo mix) 8) Cheesy (Amex mix) 9) Brave Lick (Let's Ge Down) 10) Tuf Rinse 11) Versatile I have to wonder why Blue Planet (or whoever is the rec. co. in the UK) didn't slam all 3 Plug Eps into their second disc instead of just Plug 3. Greed? Well, US IDMer's win out big time on this one. laterz, Howie

At 05:58 PM 8/26/97 -0400, Broken wrote:

quoted 7 lines Hey folks.

>Hey folks. > >Was really happy to get a promo copy of the US release for Drum n' Bass >For Papa last night. It's due out on Sept 9 (of course this may change but >then again they've waited long enough. We all know the Ninjas would've had >it out back in March, right?) Can't comment on the art 'cause all I've got >is a coverless double cd case w/white tray case. -bleah-

so it's not going to be on nothing records.. phew. for a while there, i thought all was lost. - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu " when our worlds they fall apart when the walls come tumbling in though we may deserve it it will be worth it."

On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, wells wrote:

quoted 11 lines At 05:58 PM 8/26/97 -0400, Broken wrote:

> At 05:58 PM 8/26/97 -0400, Broken wrote: > >Hey folks. > > > >Was really happy to get a promo copy of the US release for Drum n' Bass > >For Papa last night. It's due out on Sept 9 (of course this may change but > >then again they've waited long enough. We all know the Ninjas would've had > >it out back in March, right?) Can't comment on the art 'cause all I've got > >is a coverless double cd case w/white tray case. -bleah- > > so it's not going to be on nothing records.. phew. for a while there, i > thought all was lost.

Er... It _is_ on Nothing Records. I suppose I should have said it more clearly. So what I _really_ meant to say is: "It's due out on Sept.9 on Nothing Records. Of course they can push this back as it's already taken them months and months to do this. We all know if the Ninjas retained rights to D n' B for Papa it would've come out in March. And they'd prob. have included that missing Cheesy mix too..." Someone also said that the reason Plugs 1+2 weren't on the new Blue Planet reissue is that they were previously rereleased as a double pack. That may be true but has anyone had any luck finding them lately? Reissued they may be but easy to find they are not. Hence, Nothing Records sort of makes up for being a 'big nasty major label' by reissuing the hard to find Plug 1,2 & 3 along with D n' B for Papa.

quoted 6 lines Someone also said that the reason Plugs 1+2 weren't on the new Blue Planet

> Someone also said that the reason Plugs 1+2 weren't on the new Blue Planet > reissue is that they were previously rereleased as a double pack. That may > be true but has anyone had any luck finding them lately? Reissued they may > be but easy to find they are not. Hence, Nothing Records sort of makes up > for being a 'big nasty major label' by reissuing the hard to find Plug 1,2 > & 3 along with D n' B for Papa.

Actually, 2+3 just arrived in the mail yesterday, when I heard about the re-issue... had one for a while... sort of irking as I was under the impression that there was no longer a US release and went and bought the Blue Planet... the US release was supposed to have ALOT more on it (as it does) and thats why I had planned on holding out... oh well... I like my records better anyways =) Chris brap@sonic.net HeathenNet Projects: http://www.sonic.net/~brap/ HeathenNet: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9923/ The WhiteZone-L:http://www.sonic.net/~brap/whitezone.html C.Gosselin, PO Box 8264, Santa Rosa, CA 95407

quoted 2 lines if the Ninjas retained rights to D n' B for Papa it would've come out in

>if the Ninjas retained rights to D n' B for Papa it would've come out in >March.

"Retained"? What makes you think NinjaTune US ever *had* the rights to the record? They were in negotiations for the rights and Nothing came along with a better offer. The NinjaTune rep on the list seems to have overcome his bitterness at being outbid by Reznor's label, why can't the general list membership get over it? C. -- Chris.Hilker (cspot@hyperreal.org) "One being, that talking about things, while not exactly causing them to happen, does cause something,-- which is almost the same, tho' not quite. Unless it is possible to smoke a Potatoe."

On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Chris.Hilker wrote:

quoted 8 lines if the Ninjas retained rights to D n' B for Papa it would've come out in

> >if the Ninjas retained rights to D n' B for Papa it would've come out in > >March. > > "Retained"? What makes you think NinjaTune US ever *had* the rights to the > record? They were in negotiations for the rights and Nothing came along with > a better offer. The NinjaTune rep on the list seems to have overcome his > bitterness at being outbid by Reznor's label, why can't the general list > membership get over it?

I was bitching over the fact that major labels take sooooo damn long to get releases out. The thing that I find really ironic is that majors are usually quite conscious of what they're releasing relative to what the other labels are releasing at the same time and the Plug album is hot on the heels of Luke's Mo Wax album (er... this is our in the US, right?) which is on London/FFRR in the US. Then again most people probably aren't going to realize that they're one and the same. Personally, I would like to see the Drum n' Bass For Papa sell tons. Of course, it won't sell as much as Marylin Manson but the more Plug albums that get sold then the better it is for Luke. 'Nuff said. (Well, it'd also give a message to the majors that weird music without vocals can sell.) Howie

quoted 1 line It's due out on Sept 9

>It's due out on Sept 9

They're obviously trying to sandbag Astralwerks' release of the Photek album. I know which one I'll be buying...

quoted 1 line Anyways, it's missing a track (can't remember which one right now)

>Anyways, it's missing a track (can't remember which one right now)

It's missing two: "Life of the Mind" (one of my favorites) and "Subtle (In Your Face)." I assume "A Subtle Blend" is a remix of the latter.

quoted 2 lines But the best news is they've included

>But the best news is they've included >Plug 1,2, &3! (Although I think there's still a missing mix of Cheesy.)

They are, and it's the same one that was missing from the UK "Plug 1+2" reissue.

quoted 2 lines I have to wonder why Blue Planet (or whoever is the rec. co. in the UK)

>I have to wonder why Blue Planet (or whoever is the rec. co. in the UK) >didn't slam all 3 Plug Eps into their second disc instead of just Plug 3.

Because the "Plug 1+2" reissue mentioned above contained all the tracks that aren't on the UK bonus disc (except "6.07" which is on 'Further Self Evident Truths 2'). C. -- Chris.Hilker (cspot@hyperreal.org) "One being, that talking about things, while not exactly causing them to happen, does cause something,-- which is almost the same, tho' not quite. Unless it is possible to smoke a Potatoe."

quoted 1 line Anyways, it's missing a track (can't remember which one right now) and has

>Anyways, it's missing a track (can't remember which one right now) and has

Ha! Life of the Mind! The fiercest track on the LP; and it's gone! Prolly a sample clearing problem, but what a shame. I could see Ninnies eating that one up. I also question the inclusion of the Subtle RMX instead of the original track. Thought the remix was a little weak compared to the original. Plus, that makes three Amen tracks out of nine on the first disc. Damn. Beggars can't be choosers. g. np: blech action figures. i got these four cut outs of sissy and the gang packaged with my warpmart order i received today. i've been fascinated with placing them on the turntable and watching them spin around on the platter. great fun.

Broken <hmshih@vger.rutgers.edu> wrote:

quoted 2 lines Anyways, it's missing a track (can't remember which one right now) and has

>Anyways, it's missing a track (can't remember which one right now) and has >a remix for cut (Cut '97 remix).

MAKER OF ALL CAPS <GHHORNE@DELTA.IS.TCU.EDU> then wrote:

quoted 3 lines Ha! Life of the Mind! The fiercest track on the LP; and it's gone! Prolly

>Ha! Life of the Mind! The fiercest track on the LP; and it's gone! Prolly >a sample clearing problem, but what a shame. I could see Ninnies eating that >one up.

quoted 4 lines I also question the inclusion of the Subtle RMX instead of the original track.

>I also question the inclusion of the Subtle RMX instead of the original track. >Thought the remix was a little weak compared to the original. Plus, that makes >three Amen tracks out of nine on the first disc. Damn. Beggars can't be >choosers.

Broken again:

quoted 2 lines But the best news is they've included Plug 1,2, &3! (Although I think

>But the best news is they've included Plug 1,2, &3! (Although I think >there's >still a missing mix of Cheesy.)

Chris.Hilker <cspot@hyperreal.org> added:

quoted 2 lines They are, and it's the same one that was missing from the UK "Plug 1+2"

>They are, and it's the same one that was missing from the UK "Plug 1+2" >reissue.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks as though "Crib Funk" from Plug 3 is also missing, and this _is_ on the Blue Planet 2CD reissue. Sure there isn't a track 12 on the second disc? ;-) Disc 2: 1) 6.07 2) 7.44 3) 7.10 4) 3.41 5) Military Jazz 6) Pitch Bender 7) Cheesy (Gigolo mix) 8) Cheesy (Amen mix) 9) Brave Lick (Let's Ge Down) 10) Tuff Rinse 11) Versatile -Patrick np: General Magic & Pita - "Live & Final Fridge"

On 28 Aug 97, Patrick Carey wrote: Re: (idm) Plug in the USA:

quoted 3 lines 9) Brave Lick (Let's Ge Down)

> 9) Brave Lick (Let's Ge Down) > 10) Tuff Rinse > 11) Versatile

I've got the Blue Planet version and the 2nd CD has the following running order: cut (97 plug remix) brave lick versatile tuf rinse crib funk ... all of 39.57 minutes worth of playing time [sob] Brave lick does NOT have "lets go down" in brackets - as you write above (maybe that's taken for granted :-) ) Does that mean it's a different mix? I *

In a message dated 97-08-28 14:51:40 EDT, you write: << Disc 1: 1) Me and Mr. Jones 2) Drum 'n Bass for Papa 3) Cut 97 remix 4) Feelings 5) I Freak Techniques 6) Delicious 7) DBC 8) Maker of All 9) A Subtle Blend >> Just thought that it was kind of funny that my two favorite tracks cut(original) and life of the mind never made onto the nothing records release.

quoted 8 lines if the Ninjas retained rights to D n' B for Papa it would've come out in

>>if the Ninjas retained rights to D n' B for Papa it would've come out in >>March. > >"Retained"? What makes you think NinjaTune US ever *had* the rights to the >record? They were in negotiations for the rights and Nothing came along with >a better offer. The NinjaTune rep on the list seems to have overcome his >bitterness at being outbid by Reznor's label, why can't the general list >membership get over it?

agreed. I felt much better weeks after when I received the masters for Amon Tobin's 'Bricolage' record. I'm still following this with lots of interest however. Imports have already taken a sizable chunk of Nothings potential sales. I would hope they price the double as a single so as not to skank anyone who only needs it for the extra disc. I don't know what they expect to achieve. I know what our offer was and what our break even for the project was (approximatly 6000 copies), if you compare our overhead with Nothing coupled with the fact they paid a hell of a lot more than we were going to I can't imagine what they need to sell on it. Let's face it, it's a fucking brilliant album but it hardly has serious crossover appeal. Oh well whatever. At least it's finally coming out. Ninja Tune : Strictly Independent (and some say stupidly so) after all these years. Ninjas (where Tate and LaBianca no play with Shabba Ranka)